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Religious Freedom and Persecution in China 0:00 From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, DC, bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and sound bites into conversations with our nation's leaders and0:12 newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Jody Hice.0:18 Mister chairman, thank you so very much for convening this very important hearing and the sense of urgency you and our distinguished witnesses are bringing, to the further deterioration of religious0:30 freedom, lack thereof, in the People's Republic of China. I I say urgent because the Chinese Communist Party directed by general secretary Xi Jinping is engaged in 1 of the most0:42 extensive crackdowns on the Protestant Christian House church, in 40 years.0:49 That was congressman Chris Smith earlier today at a hearing on China's war on religion as the Chinese Communist Party continues its terrible crackdown on churches and Christians.1:01 Welcome to this November twentieth edition of Washington Watch. I'm your host, Jody Heise. An honor today to be sitting in for Tony Perkins, and thank you as well for joining us. The US Department of1:13 Health and Human Services has released a peer reviewed study on the medical risk of children from so called gender affirming procedures. Admiral Brian Christine, which is the1:24 HHS assistant secretary for health, will be joining us to break all that down. And ahead, president Trump signs a transparency bill demanding the justice department
1:36 release the long sealed and long awaited for Epstein files. Arizona congressman Andy Biggs will be joining us with what comes next.
1:52 Well, today, the congressional executive commission on China held a hearing on Beijing's war on religion. Lawmakers and witnesses detailed how the Chinese Communist Party is cracking down on
2:03 Christians, Muslims, and other people of faith both inside China and abroad. Experts at the hearing warned that these attacks on faith are severe human rights
2:15 violation, and they called for stronger American action to protect religious freedom worldwide. Joining me now is Washington stand reporter, Casey Harper. Casey, thanks for
2:27 joining me. I know you've been following this this very important religious freedom hearing all day long. What came out of it that stood out to you?
2:35 Yeah, Jody. This is a big story you're not gonna get from the mainstream media, so I'm glad we're covering it. Like you said, the growing persecution of Christians in China was front and center at the hearing today.
2:45 Witnesses shared stories of arrest, imprisonment, and harassment. Doctor Bob Fu, who's the founder of China, he testified that the Chinese government treats faith as a threat, and they're targeting believers
2:57 both inside China and abroad.
3:00 The CCP is no longer satisfied with the just the controlling churches and mosques. It now seeks to control the entire inner life of its citizens. Its goal is nothing
3:12 less than to eliminate all independent faith and replace it with the absolute loyalty to the CCP and, Xi Jinping's thoughts. The CCP is now criminalizing
3:25 criminalizing normal Christian life. The pastors are now being sentenced to 10 to or 15 years for receiving tithes and offerings.
3:37 That's terrible. But despite these efforts, these persecutions, the underground churches are continuing to adapt and persevere using online and offline gatherings to worship and grow. Now Sam Brownback
3:49 is the US ambassador at large for international religious freedom. He argued that protecting religious freedom needs to be elevated to the same level of priority as national security.
4:00 What I'm gonna suggest today is that we take really a a shift in our strategy towards religious freedom. I think for too long, we've looked at it mostly as a human rights issue and often kind of a
4:11 boutique human rights issue, really, not a central 1. To me now and in our conflict with, China, this is a national security issue.
4:22 Lawmakers on that commission emphasized that religious freedom is a universal right, and they called on the US to support persecuted Christians, impose sanctions, and make protecting religious freedom a priority,
4:34 Jody.
4:36 Yes, Casey. It really is a big story, and I appreciate you bringing it up. You'd you'd mentioned doctor Bob Fu, being a senior fellow here at the Family Research Council. Well, he'll also be joining me a little bit later
4:47 in the program, to discuss this in greater detail. Casey, in some other news today at the White House, President Trump met with some Israeli hostages who were
4:59 released last month, and that that happening, of course, while Hamas continues to violate the ceasefire there. But what's the latest on that situation?
5:08 Yeah, Jody. So after Hamas terrorists fired on Israeli troops yesterday, Israeli forces struck back. They hit targets across Gaza, and at least 30 Palestinians were killed in Gaza City's,
5:20 suburb there and, another city. So while Israel was reporting that no soldiers were injured in just another exchange, Hamas terrorists condemned Israel strikes, but US officials say Hamas's
5:32 attacks show that the terrorist group is testing this new ceasefire. And as you know, Jody, since October tenth, the truce has allowed aid to flow and displaced families to return home, but
5:44 these ongoing attacks have repeatedly threatened the peace there. Now regarding the meeting at the White House earlier today, Jody, president Trump welcomed those released hostages, and he told them, you're not hostages
5:55 anymore. You're heroes.
5:59 Wow. That's a powerful powerful thing right there. Alright, Casey. Listen. Before I let you go, I guess, if I had 1, I'd give you a drum roll right now. No surprise, but
6:11 been a lot of news on the Epstein files. Anything there that you can report, and and give fill us in on?
6:18 Sure. Yeah. I mean, everyone's asking that question. You're absolutely right. But last night, president Trump, he signed a new transparency bill forcing the DOJ to release the long awaited, as you said, a drum roll,
6:30 files from the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. Now many Republicans, they're saying this is a major step forward. We're finally exposing what really happened and ending these years of unanswered questions and
6:40 conspiracies. For many Americans, the government's handling of this issue from Epstein's 2008 plea deal to his 20 19 death, which was ruled a suicide under suspicious conditions,
6:52 has never added up. They argue that sunlight, transparency, is the only way to restore trust. Attorney general Pam Bonny, she said the DOJ is gonna release the documents within 30 days, and she
7:04 promised maximum transparency as congress continues to bring the truth to light here, Jody.
7:11 Wow. Alright, Casey. Well, thank you so much. We, as always, appreciate you tracking all of this for us. Alright. I wanna go ahead and continue, discussing the latest developments on these
7:22 Epstein files and the saga behind it all. We wanna get a perspective from a member of the, from Congress. He serves on the House Oversight and Reform Committee. He's joining us
7:34 now by phone as congressman Andy Biggs. He serves on several important committees and represents the Fifth Congressional District of Arizona. Congressman Biggs, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thank you for joining
7:45 us.
7:47 Jody, it's always great to be with you. Thanks.
7:50 Well, listen. I know you've got votes swirling around there. So, we'll try to be quick, but thank you for coming off to the Florida. Speak with us for a few moments. Alright. It's all all within just a few days.
8:02 There's been a lot of movement on these Epstein files. That that of course was all capped by president signing the Epstein files transparency act. What's your thoughts on what all has
8:14 unfolded the last few days here?
8:17 Well, what you've seen is, everybody kinda coalescing, president Trump, members of the house, members of the senate to say, let's just let's rip the band aid off. Let's see what
8:29 all Epstein what's in the Epstein files. Now the Epstein files, Jody, is a bit of an amorphous term. It includes police reports, supposedly phone logs, telephone
8:41 airplane logs, all these things that we wanna get a look at. And it also may contain a list of perpetrators advanced by the,
8:53 victims. And so a lot of stuff coming out, and the other thing is a lot of most of the stuff that you're seeing that's brand new that's throwing a lot of dirt on Democrats
9:05 is coming from the Epstein estate files. That is to say, the over oversight committee that you served on with me, when you were in congress, they
9:17 they basically subpoenaed the Epstein estate and got a bunch of documents and released those.
9:25 Wow. Alright. So, you know, while all this is unfolding and I would imagine it's gonna take quite a while to get through all the information that's there. But we have senate, minority leader Chuck
9:37 Schumer basically saying that, the Republicans have been spending months now trying to protect Donald Trump and hide, what's in the files that pertain to him. But
9:49 when you look at what the Republicans are doing, I mean, they're pushing for these files to be released. You compare that with what the Democrats did under the Biden administration constantly hiding and protecting him.
10:00 How in the world do you compare the 2?
10:03 Well, there is no comparison. You were here and you and I and a few others, not many, but there were a few others of us. Even Donald Trump in the first term were, seeking,
10:15 basically release of these records. But we picked it up during the Biden term. We really were pushing hard, and the Biden Biden released none. No. Not a single document or record
10:27 was released, while Joe Biden was president. Then when Donald Trump came in, you've seen in excess of 60000, somewhere actually getting close to a hundred thousand records have been released. So there's no
10:39 comparison. And, and I find it absolutely hypocritical for, anybody on the left to stand up and say, you
10:51 know, Donald Trump was hiding this stuff. He wasn't hiding it. It was Biden administration. And and we now we know why. I mean, you have things like the Plaskett,
11:02 delegate from Virgin Islands, was actually co coordinating, if you will, colluding, whatever you wanna say it with, Jeffrey Epstein to try to
11:14 discredit president Trump in an real time in an actual committee hearing, Jody, which is just unimaginable. You and I would never I I just never would have imagined such a thing.
11:26 No. And I, you know, I I can only imagine that even that is just the tip of the iceberg of more that's going to unfold with all of this. And the Democrats saying bent on 1 thing and that
11:38 is to try to tie Donald Trump with all of this. And I I think that was underscored even last week with the documents that they released from the oversight committee. What what does that tell you about where
11:50 the Democrats are on all of this?
11:53 Well, they wanna hide this stuff. I mean, the debate that we had over Plaskett was obvious. She basically dug herself a hole and admitted that that the reason she
12:05 was willing to talk to him, meaning Epstein, was because she wanted to get Donald Trump. And that's kind of everything, whether it was Jamie Raskin, it was ranking member
12:17 Himes, whoever whoever it was, they were kind of always pointing back that this was about Donald Trump, which gets to begs a bigger question, Jody. Why don't they care about the victims of Jeffrey
12:28 Epstein? Why why is it all about a political attack on Donald Trump?
12:34 Absolutely. Real quickly, if I can, congressman Biggs, we've got, less than a minute, to go here before hard break. But, some it was pretty big move, on the with with
12:45 Washington DC. A couple of bills that removed cashless bail and some police reform. Real quickly, what's your thoughts on that?
12:55 Well, we're trying to bring safety, and the rule of law back to DC. It's been miserable. High crimes, high violent crimes, rates here. Donald Trump made it safer with National Guard
13:07 immediately. And, so we're just bringing 2 common sense, rules of law into the place, saying you can't get out on bail if you're a violent criminal. You gotta you
13:19 you you gonna have to stay in. And guess what, Jody? These are the things that are most common where you actually have the rule of law. And you can't have freedom unless you have rule of law. That's why we're here. It's
13:31 gonna help out. Absolutely. It's gonna help out this the DC.
13:34 Yeah. Arizona congressman Andy Biggs, thank you for stepping off the floor. You better run vote. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
13:42 Happy Thanksgiving.
13:43 Alright, friends. Come.
13:44 Thanks, sir.
13:46 Thank you. Alright. Stay tuned. We've got some big news from the Department of Health and Human Services on protecting vulnerable kids from sex rejecting procedures. You don't wanna miss what's coming next. Stay with us.
13:57 We'll be right back.
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17:03 Thank you so much for joining us today. Good afternoon. Welcome back to Washington Watch. I am Jody Heise. An honor today to be sitting in for Tony, and thank you for joining us. Alright. Yesterday, the US Department of
17:14 Health and Human Services published its peer reviewed study of the medical dangers posed to children by procedures that the left misleadingly refers to as gender
17:26 affirming. It's really sex rejecting. I mean, we're talking things like puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, even surgical operations. Before
17:37 submitting this particular report for peer review, HHS commissioned the most comprehensive study to date of the scientific evidence and clinical practices surrounding the
17:49 treatment of children and adolescents for gender dysphoria. So what did the report find? And could this potentially mark a turning point in the battle to protect
18:01 vulnerable children? Well, joining me now to discuss this is the assistant secretary for health at the HHS, admiral Brian Christine in MD. Admiral Christine,
18:13 welcome to Washington Watch. We're glad to have you join us, sir.
18:17 Jody, thank you so much for this opportunity. And let me start out by saying that there is no way that we could be having this effort to protect the most vulnerable children and their families without the
18:29 leadership and the direction of president Donald Trump and the strong leadership of secretary of health and human services, Robert f Kennedy. They deserve so much praise for taking this head on and leading our country
18:41 forward to try to reverse the wrongs that have occurred under the last administration and certainly my predecessor, Rachel Levine.
18:49 Well, we give a a huge hats off and thank you to to them and all of you there who are working, to to make this wrong right. So let's start off with some of the
19:01 key takeaways from the report. Can you share some of those with us?
19:05 Yes. Exactly. So the report, was, of course, dealing with the, transgender or rather with gender dysphoria in our adolescents and children. And what was released yesterday were peer reviews of
19:17 that original report. In other words, we wrote this original report, and then we reached out to a group of 9 scientists, physicians, researchers to give their opinion on the report. And what they overwhelmingly
19:29 agree with is that treating these vulnerable children, children with gender dysphoria, treating them with hormones, injections, surgeries that remove body parts
19:41 and even mutilate these children, this all does not have sound science backing it up. A much better way to treat these children would be with compassionate mental health and psychiatric care.
19:54 I think that is extremely worth repeating that this was a a peer reviewed study. And as you you referenced, I believe, 9 different experts, research groups,
20:06 that's a notable size of, peers, isn't it?
20:10 Well, it is. Exactly. It is. And this this speaks to secretary Kennedy's commitment for transparency in terms of as we roll out our health care policies and we talk about how to treat individuals in the
20:22 country, in this case, children and adolescents. Secretary Kennedy wants radical transparency. And what he wants us to do is to be able to reach out to these individuals, these
20:34 scientists who are noteworthy and say, give us your opinion. Look at what we've done. Tell us what you think. That's transparency. That's gold standard science. That's what secretary Kennedy and president Trump want.
20:46 I think it's also worth noting that HHS invited the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Endocrine Society to contribute their evidence to this report. Did did they come on board
20:58 with you?
20:59 No. No, Jody. They they they chose not to. Again, they have an agenda that, in my opinion, in the secretary's opinion, does not stand for taking care of these children and supporting their families. They did not want to
21:11 come on board with us.
21:13 I think that in itself is a huge, huge statement. You know, it's it's we we many of us have been watching this for quite some time and we're thrilled to see where
21:25 HHS is leading us right now. But we're not the only country that is, reached some of the same conclusions as were, attained in this report, are we? I mean, this is something that
21:37 others are coming to the same conclusion.
21:40 Yeah. Unfortunately, we have countries like England, countries like Sweden, countries like Finland that have actually led the way, and they and they've been ahead of the United States in realizing, woah. This is not the
21:51 right way to treat these kids. We don't mutilate them with surgery. We don't pump them full of hormones. We don't give them, medications to really basically reject their sex. They've been ahead of us, and it is
22:03 certainly long past time that we do this in the United States. But with president Trump and, again, the bold leadership of secretary Kennedy, we are moving forward. We're charging the head. We're protecting these kids.
22:14 These children's parents, they want the best for their kids. And and understand that children, adolescents with gender dysphoria, they truly suffer. They truly suffer. It's a real condition. It's a it's a
22:25 mental health condition. They need emotional support. They need mental support. And, frankly, I would say that if their families wish, even pastoral care. But secretary Kennedy is leading the way forward, and we are
22:36 gonna be now moving forward in this country to protect these kids.
22:41 Yep. And I agree. Pastoral care is a huge part of ultimate healing. HHS also, and I commend you for this as well, noted the voices of whistleblowers and detransitioners,
22:53 if you will, that that all all of them played such a critical role in drawing public attention to all the risks and harms associated with all of this. But the left really doesn't wanna wanna hear those voices.
23:05 But we can't let that happen, Kimmy. Those voices are critical in this discussion.
23:10 No. They are. And when you hear that when you hear the stories of individuals, young men and women who have been led astray, who have had hormones or even, unfortunately, these these surgeries, these perform I
23:22 mean, these these cause rather lifelong irreversible harm. So we have to listen to these voices. These voices are are like a voice crying in the wilderness saying, don't do this to our kids. Listen to what we're telling
23:33 you. We've been down this road, and it's the wrong road.
23:37 Alright. Less than a minute to go here before a hard break. But in light of this report, what's the way forward now? Where do we go from here?
23:44 We're gonna continue to lead the way with gold standard signs, and as I said, radical transparency. And please, Jody, understand that that the response to this report, this
23:56 now the reviews, the response has been overwhelmingly positive. The vast majority of men and women in this country, parents, they understand that what's gone on in the past with the prior administration
24:09 and my predecessor, Rachel Levine, the road that they took them down was wrong. Again, irreversible harm, not the best for these kids. So we're gonna continue to lead the way with gold standard signs. We're gonna
24:20 continue to help parents understand how the best way to treat these children, and we are always gonna stand for these children. President Trump and secretary Kennedy take very, very seriously, as do I,
24:32 that we will always stand for these kids. We will always protect these kids. We will always love these kids.
24:38 Thank you so much, HHS assistant secretary for health, admiral Brian Christine, MD. We appreciate your leadership. Thank you for joining us on Washington Watch. Happy Thanksgiving to you. Alright.
24:50 Coming up more, what's happening in China as it relates to attacks on Christians and religious freedom. We'll cover it right after
24:58 the break. Stay with us.
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27:03 Good afternoon. Welcome back to Washington Watch. I'm Jody Heiss filling in today for Tony. Thank you so much for tuning in as well. Okay. Earlier today, the co chairs
27:15 of the Congressional Executive Commission on China held a public hearing on the Chinese Communist Party's ongoing assault against religious freedom and its national security implications for
27:26 the United States. And among those who testified were, former ambassador, Sam Brownback. He was the ambassador at large for International Religious Freedom. Also,
27:38 there was Grace Jin. She's the daughter of incarcerated Chinese pastor Ezra Jin. And there were 3 other human rights advocates including my next guest.
27:50 Joining me now to discuss the hearing is doctor Bob Fu. He's the founder and president of the Christian human rights group China Aid. He's also the senior fellow for International Religious Freedom here
28:02 at the Family Research Council. Bob, welcome back to Washington Watts. Always great to see you and great to have you with us.
28:10 Thank you for having me again.
28:13 Okay. So let's begin, Bob, with just summarize for us, if you would, what you shared today during the hearing.
28:21 Yeah. I think, the theme of, as the theme of the hearing, says, clearly, the CCP, under this dictator Xi Jinping, has launched
28:33 a war against the faith. Basically, it's, instead of, the old paradigm of controlling Christian churches and, other
28:45 independent religions in the past, Now the, launch the all all out war to eliminate any independent, Christian churches
28:57 and, even their minds, the philosophy independence, and other religious minorities as well. So when Xi Jinping, took power, he launched
29:09 this, 3, or 4 wars, the war, against the cross and, the the first, the forced demolition of cross campaign. All of a sudden, the
29:20 cross, the wooden cross was declared as the enemy of the state as the national security threat. It really shows, the how fragile, actually, how fearful of this,
29:33 militaristic, atheistic regime. And, thousands of crosses were taken down. If you don't take down the cross voluntarily, these are government
29:45 sanctioned churches. The pastors were even arrested. Some were sentenced to 12 to 15 years imprisonment. And then the war against the Bible, basically, especially
29:56 the access of the Bible to children. Millions of Chinese Christians, were, children were ordered to sign a Communist Party prepared form to
30:08 renounce their faith in public. And the Bible, was totally forbidden to be in the hands of, the Chinese children. And then, of course, the war against
30:21 the Christian leaders. We have, the Zion Church a founder and pastor, has Regina's daughter testifying. And, 2 days ago, all 18 of
30:33 the, the criminally detained were formally arrested. That means, they will go to trial and, facing a long sentence. And, the CCP even
30:44 criminalized the tithe tithes and offering for Christian, practice for centuries, and now many pastors pastors were arrested for
30:56 simply, receiving or organizing the tithing and offering of the church. And the pastor, Yong Rong Li, and her her husband received, 15 years
31:08 and, nearly 10 years respectively, back to June this year. And, other 10 pastors also received this, various years of sentence,
31:21 for being accused of, fraud. So these are the, the new trend. Of course, we have seen the communist party is, not satisfied by just controlling
31:33 the churches and synagogues and, mosques of Buddhist temples inside China, but they also extend their long arms to overseas in American
31:44 soil by establishing their overseas police station, by even surrounding my own home in West Texas and forced my whole family, into
31:56 exile from our Texas home for 3 months, back to 20 20. Their only purpose is really to intimidate and to silence our voice for
32:08 freedom for the persecuted brother and sisters. And many Chinese pastors even in the US chose to I mean, were threatened to be silent and not able or not allowed even
32:20 to, speak up for the persecuted church in China.
32:24 Stunning. Stunning and disturbing information. Of course, the the title of the hearing today was China's War on Religion, but there's also an economic war going on with China. There's all sorts of
32:36 tensions, with Taiwan and even the United States relationship there. Doctor Bob Fu, so much going on. Let me just, less than a minute we have less. How would you encourage our viewers
32:48 and listeners to pray for China right now?
32:52 Yeah. I really, want to encourage the viewers of Farsi and your show to, to continue to lift up. I mean, pray for those
33:04 who are imprisoned and many, many of them. These are suffering body of Christ, and then I also pray for their family members. And, part of the some of the family members of
33:16 signed arrested pastors, I mean, are, were still breastfeeding their children, I mean, their babies, and some lost their homes and became homeless after their
33:28 father or mother being arrested, and their bank, accounts were frozen. And I think, we should also, to know, their names.
33:38 We're gonna have to leave it right there, Bob.
33:40 Yes. And support them.
33:43 Bob Fu, senior fellow for international religious studies here at FRC. Thank you for this update, and I call on all of our viewers and listeners indeed to pray. Alright. We're gonna have aShow more
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