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0:02 We wanna honor God because he sees everything.0:10 You were born with a plan and a purpose. He's the God of all things possible. He's the God of all0:22 miracles.0:54 Welcome to Grace Grace with Naina Michelle at NRB. We are currently on Frank's speech live, and so what an honor to to be on the program today.1:06 I'm Michelle Humphries. And I am Naina Keegan.1:08 We are so grateful. We just love Horizon Media Studios, Overcomers TV, and Frank Speech. And today, we have a wonderful guest. He just happens to be my husband. It is doctor Richard Klesnick.1:20 And, you know, we1:21 all know that there's waiting rooms all over the world with people who are praying for loved ones who1:29 are in surgery or who are in the hospital. And we all know that god also uses physicians when people need help, and and and God answers prayers through the hands of1:40 skilled physicians. Amen.1:42 And and today, we have 1 of the nation's top docs. We're not just saying that because he's not Naina's husband, but he really is 1 of the nation's top docs. He1:54 is the, president of the Society for Neuro Interventional Surgery. He which is a For the nation. For the entire nation. And he also works for2:06 1 of the biggest and largest, cutting edge hospitals in America. And so doctor Richard Klusnick, we are we so welcome you to the2:17 program. We're so grateful for you. And do you know that Richard, doctor Richard Klesnick, has worked on over 30000 patients,2:30 and he is a doctor that will pray with his patients and has just saved so many lives. So welcome to our broadcast live. We appreciate2:42 you being here. Now you are an expert, the leading expert on strokes in America. Tell us what it what are the signs of stroke and what is2:53 the impact of stroke?2:55 Yes. First of all, what is a stroke?2:56 Well, first of all, a stroke is is 2 types of stroke, but a stroke is anything that's affecting the blood supply or affecting the brain. The the first type of stroke that we deal with mostly is we call it a bland stroke.3:08 That's when a clot breaks free from either the heart, sometimes from the leg and goes through the heart or from the vessels down in the neck and goes up into the brain and blocks flow. That's a stroke. That's a blood3:20 clot that we try to go and get out. The other type of stroke is a hemorrhagic stroke, which is caused from a vascular problem of the brain. Aneurysms that rupture, arteriovenous malformations, or vascular problems that3:32 rupture. The in the la well actually there's been lots of cutting edge things that have happened in the last 30 years or so. Just to give you an example, most aneurysms of the brain 303:44 35 years ago were basically were operated on. They cut your head open, they took out the piece of the skull, they, they lifted up their brain, they put a clip on it. Well, now most aneurysms in this country now are are3:56 done by what we do is a minimally invasive techniques. We go inside the blood vessels and go up and fill it with either platinum coils or fancy stents. So we get take care of it from going inside the brain so you don't4:07 have to open the skull as we we kind of say, funnyly, laughingly, once air touches the brain, it's never the same. So you don't really want to have to the head open if you can avoid4:19 cracking the head open.4:20 Well4:21 But the biggest advance has been in in stroke therapy in the last say 8 9 years where there were new devices that came out and new technologies and then studies came out that we can go4:32 inside blood vessels and grab the clot or suck the clot. There's actually a catheter that's like a vacuum cleaner. Mhmm. So either 1 of these devices came in and you can grab it or suck the clot out. And that just4:43 changed everything at that moment. And now we're able to get to people who are having strokes within 6 hours and you can reverse the stroke. Even if you don't reverse it, you can actually get it to a point where they can4:55 recover from the stroke where they couldn't do it before.4:57 Well, what you're go ahead. Oh, then4:59 also recovering from a major surgery of cutting open the the skull and the head and imagine the recovery time on that. And there's it's just a minimal recovery time. Is it not5:11 for what you're doing?5:13 An an yeah. For an aneurysm of the brain that I treat, they can go home the next day. Whereas if you have to have surgery, you're we're in the hospital week 10 days or more. And then we've for regular strokes that we5:25 can get the clot out, we've changed it. Now stroke is the number 1 leading cause of death and disability in the country even to this day. And now it's disability because the stroke can lead to5:37 long term nursing care, Families have to take care of patients. Everybody, I think, knows or have family members that have strokes and Right. They can't move, they can't talk, they can't feed themselves. And we've5:48 changed that so much now that patients are going home and they're not ending up in long term facilities anymore. They're recovering faster. They're recovering better than we ever could before.5:58 The world needs to be reached with the message of Jesus. And that is the mission of Grace Grace with Naina and Michelle. To see people's lives change with the saving power of Jesus6:09 Christ. When you donate to Grace Grace Ministries, you're also reaching orphans and the underprivileged throughout the world, as well as the United States. The Bible says that when we help the least, the forgotten, and6:21 the overlooked, we have done something for Jesus himself. Will you be a part of what God is doing to help those in need and those who are hungering to hear the real message of Jesus? Give today by logging6:33 on to naina and michelle dot com or text the word give to 3 2 5 6 0 3 3 3 5 4. You can also send in a check to 63 15 b f m 14 88 road6:45 number 1 22 Magnolia, Texas 7 7 3 5 4. Grace Grace Ministries is a 5 0 1 c 3 charitable organization. Gifts are tax deductible, so join us in the great commission6:57 today. Give now.6:59 So what are the signs that someone is having a stroke that loved ones should look for because at the point where someone is having a stroke, they cannot7:11 communicate any longer. So what are the signs?7:14 We, we teach everybody and family members and we do teaching across the country too is to remember this simple word, FAST. Fast, f a s t. Face, because if you're talking to7:26 a loved 1 or when you're looking at them and their face begins to droop or you see changes in their eye or a side of the face drooping, that's a that's a sign of a stroke.7:35 Mhmm.7:36 We say arm because they're they're weak. If simple little things like you notice they may not be able to pick up a coffee cup normally or a glass. They can't pick up a glass and take a sip. That's a sign. And then7:47 strength, again, arm or length, you may be walking with them and they may be all of a sudden they're going off to a side or they're they're they can't keep up and they're weak, their legs, and then, of course, time7:57 because time is brain. Every minute that, the blood supply is not to the brain, millions of neurons are dying. We we are encouraging people to to check on their loved ones more on8:09 the phone because, you know, you may not be seeing them, but call them. And if they're not answering the phone, that tells you something. But if they're talking like you say, they're on the phone and they're starting to8:18 speak gibberish, then call 9 1 1.8:22 When those things are happening, what should they do?8:25 Well, of course, you have to call 9 1 1. And we have been working as a society and we're working with another, we hired a program called Get Ahead of Stroke. Get Ahead of Stroke.8:37 Mhmm. And even the last few years, we have been going to Washington DC. And then I make the trip with the the board of directors of the society. And we actually go talk to senators and8:48 congressmen, and we do it state by we do have to do it state by state because you can't do it federal. We're changing the laws because right now, as you said, if an ambulance picks you up, they'll bring you to the8:59 closest hospital.9:01 Right.9:01 We're teaching and trying to teach all the emergency medical technicians, all the EMTs across the country to learn the signs of a stroke and then make it law that if you think it's a stroke, you bypass the9:13 closest place.9:14 Right.9:14 And we have a system and a network of comprehensive strokes similar to what we have for level 1 trauma centers. Everybody knows if you're in a bad accident and the helicopter comes, they're not taking you to the local9:25 place. They're taking you to the level 1 trauma center.9:28 Right.9:28 So we're working basically with all the societies and and legislatures to make it law that ambulances have to go to a comprehensive or primary stroke center, comprehensive stroke center, level 1 stroke9:40 center, rather than the closest place so they can get the treatment that we offer us to get that clot out.9:45 The world needs to be reached with the message of Jesus. And that is the mission of Grace Grace with Naina and Michelle. To see people's lives change with the saving power of Jesus Christ.9:57 When you donate to Grace Grace Ministries, you're also reaching orphans and the underprivileged throughout the world, as well as the United States. The Bible says that when we help the least, the forgotten, and the10:09 overlooked, we have done something for Jesus himself. Will you be a part of what God is doing to help those in need and those who are hungry to hear the real message of Jesus. Give today by logging10:20 on to naina and michelle dot com or text the word give to 3 2 5 6 0 3 3 3 5 4. You can also send in a check to 63 15 b f m 14 88 road10:32 number 1 22 Magnolia, Texas 7 7 3 5 4. Grace Grace Ministries is a 5 0 1 c 3 charitable organization. Gifts are tax deductible, so join us in the great commission10:44 today. Give now.10:47 What what are some things that people can do to prevent stroke?10:53 It's the kind of the simple things in life, you know, don't smoke, don't drink.10:59 Yeah.10:59 A lot of his his diet. We we say the bible belt in the south, but it's actually probably the worst diet in the whole entire country is in the south.11:07 Yeah. That's11:08 true. In Texas and we love barbecue, but it's it's probably not the greatest thing to be eating a whole bunch of barbecue.11:14 Deep fried.11:14 Deep Deep you see food.11:15 We like fried it.11:16 Know, diet. Take care of yourself. If you have high blood pressure, make you're being seen by a doctor. Diabetes is a big 1. Diabetes causes stroke. So all of those are simple things to do to try to prevent and try to11:28 stay healthy. Exercise, be healthy. Simple common sense kind of things. And, you did mention, COVID. What we found out in the in the COVID pandemic is that COVID causes11:40 strokes. We saw an increase in strokes because COVID causes problems with bleeding. It causes hypercoagulants, which means it causes thrombus formation. We first found11:51 that So clots.11:52 The lungs. Clots. Clots in the lungs, and we start seeing clots and other clots and other parts of the brain that we don't normally see clots and then strokes. The incidence of strokes went way up during the COVID12:03 pandemic just because it it is a disease that found that's that seems to form clot.12:08 Doesn't your heart, like having an irregular heartbeat, throat clot and cause cause that too? I know you've talked about that different times like12:16 Yes. 1 of the big causes of stroke is atrial fibrillation. Your heart, your especially the atria of your heart, we say fibrillation, they're kind of not really beating in sync. They're kind of just kind of doing this12:27 with your hand like a seizure of, and that because there's no regular beat, clot can form. And when the clot forms in the heart on the heart, it's got no place else to go. The first thing that shoots off from the12:38 heart is the brain. It it doesn't even go down to the legs or it can, but the first place is upstream to the brain. So atrial fibrillation, clot problems, any kind of problem with a rhythm of a heart.12:50 And we've been finding that patients have been coming in now. We because we're seeing more in the pandemic with COVID too. The people who have not had diagnosis of heart problems, these are new problems that13:02 they hadn't been seen by a doctor. They hadn't been diagnosed with atrial fibrillation. But all of a sudden they come into the emergency room, they come up to see us and their heart is in irregular rhythm. So it is a big13:13 thing, for for strokes.13:15 And also isn't there, I know that when you were talking with Pat Robertson, wasn't there something to do with like if you're on some kind of blood thinners, if you take that regularly13:27 and then if you stop that, there's there's there's like a more of a chance of a stroke?13:34 Yes. Yeah. We we13:35 normally Any kind13:37 of blood thinners that people want. Some people are on blood thinners for their heart. And, I I just know of even people that are on, anybody's got a stent anywhere in their body. A lot of heart stents13:49 out there. So stents in the heart or legs, kidneys, they they all they belong on dual antiplatelets. They belong on blood thinners. Aspirin, Plavix is the common drug. And14:01 we know that people just suddenly don't feel like taking it anymore. And they come the next if if it's other problems but they're coming into the emergency room and we're seeing them because now they have a stroke14:12 because they stopped taking the drug. And a lot of times it's also cost.14:17 And see that's very important because a lot of people might just think, oh I'm fine now because my blood pressure is fine. And they they don't really even realize that by taking that off that causes your blood that's14:28 been running thin to be thicker now, that's gonna throw clots.14:33 That's correct.14:33 So, you know, that is so important to make sure that if you are on something like that, that you what? Unless you are doctor supervised or replacing that drug with something or whatever the14:45 case may be to not go off of that.14:47 Correct. Yes.14:48 So 1 1 thing I love about doctor Klesnick is that he is a man of god. And, like I said at the at the beginning of the program, you know, he has15:00 worked on 30000 patients, around 30000 patients. So tell us a time when the Lord you just had to call on the Lord because you didn't know what to15:12 do and it worked out.15:15 Well, I'll give you a set of my own little journey. I was raised Catholic. So previously, when patients would say, can we pray with you and stuff, I'd be like, no. No.15:27 But once I was saved and when patients now ask me and especially families will say, can we pray with you? Then I'm I'm happy to then. I will join join in then.15:40 And I do say every time now before I work on a patient, say a tiny little prayer to myself. God, Jesus, please guide my hands. Please let me help this patient. And, and there15:52 are times when I'm in a procedure and something has gone wrong. You can have complications. Yeah. The vessels in the head aren't the strongest things in the world. Bone. God gave you bone to cover it, protect them. You16:02 don't have muscle anymore. So if you're trying to go up and get a clot, you can poke a hole.16:06 I know many times you'll text me, I have a very difficult case on the table. You know, please please, you know, say say prayers and we'll stand in agreement. And I know that you've said so many times that, you know, this16:18 was a very difficult many many of these people are extremely unhealthy. Many of them are very old. And so you are, you know, you there's so many factors weighing in16:29 on what you're doing. And when you you've said so many times like I was in, you know, I was worried about what was gonna happen and then you'll you'll say that you've prayed and that like things16:41 started to turn around and we'll pray for a patient in recovery and they'll just get better. And, you know, you've really we've we you've you've shared so many stories with me. But, you know, what are16:53 what are some of the stories where, like, maybe you've met with a family afterwards and, you know, that was praying and stuff. I know you have a lot of those like where somebody was so thankful.17:05 Well, again, just just like I I sort of mentioned, you know, I run into trouble and I immediately start praying and God help me out of this and and something will turn around and I I'm always honest17:17 with the families. If there's a problem, I go out and talk to them. And I find that if you talk to the family and you tell them the truth and don't try to hide anything, they're more they're happier with17:29 anything that happens. But then, you know, I've had them where I thought the patient may end up really dying, and it turns out they didn't. And they turned the17:41 corner and healed later and I was they were saved and, the family's happy and and glad because their loved 117:53 who was in trouble made it through.17:56 Yeah. So you have seen firsthand prayer working in the operating room?18:04 Yes.18:05 Yes. That's amazing that and you're a man of science and a man of faith, and sometimes people think that they cannot mix, but it it only makes sense that they do.18:16 Yes. It does.18:17 Some of the, the issues are coming with younger people. You're seeing some younger people with strokes now too, which didn't really have health issues. They're not elderly. And it's really coming from the18:29 the the clots and the issues from the from the strokes and some from of those different things. And even some of the issues from the vaccines that you've seen happen too. So what what is18:40 what are some of those things like because people might not be looking at a young person and saying I think they're having a stroke. That wouldn't be very typical. But you also do a lot of aneurysms and things like18:52 that. So what are some of those signs and what maybe are you seeing with some of the younger people?18:58 Well for the for the the aneurysms, those are like a blister or a bubble on a blood vessel. Again, your blood vessels are weak in the head because they don't have muscle anymore. So19:10 smoking, diabetes, high blood pressure, that constant pulsing on a blood vessel can lead to a blister forming like a bubble on a tarp. And, those tend to happen in19:21 middle aged to older patients. So it's very unusual to see them in kids. And again, with the the treatment is to go inside and fill it with coils, metal.19:34 Basically, make a ball of yarn inside of something, make it stronger. We do know that there's incidence of myocarditis young in young kids and that incidence is higher than we've ever seen19:45 before.19:46 Which is an inflammation of the heart.19:47 Right? Of the heart. And we're thinking that may be related to the virus and to the vaccines and the boosters because there's nothing to explain why we're seeing young kids with heart problems that we never saw before, a19:57 higher incidence. And, of course, if you have a heart problem and then that leads to a rhythm problem, well then you can have other problems like strokes. Never mind just a heart attack and the problem with that, and20:08 then congestive failure. And if you're a young person whose heart is failing, then, you know, that takes years off your life. You're you're now living with a heart that's older than your rest of your body. So we don't20:20 wanna get too far into all of that because we don't have all the data yet, but there Right. There's some thought processes about that.20:27 Now, when it comes to, you know, you hear people, doctors say take an aspirin. Does that work for strokes? Yes. So an aspirin a day really does keep the doctor away?20:38 It can. Yes. Yeah? Yeah. It thins your blood a little bit. So an aspirin, especially for your heart, really, more your heart than your brain, but all blood vessels that are small and aspirin does actually does help. And20:49 it's a baby aspirin, a small aspirin, not not a regular aspirin. Just a baby20:53 80 milligrams.20:53 81 milligrams. The baby. The bare baby aspirin.20:56 So when someone is having a stroke, and now we know if they're having a heart attack, maybe give them an aspirin then, but what about stroke?21:05 Not for stroke.21:06 That's a no because of the bleeding.21:07 Yes.21:08 Yes.21:08 And you don't want the aspirin works on certain kind of parts of the cascade for blood thinning and it's actually a detriment to what we21:20 do when we have to go get clot out. Because if we stir up bleeding, then it's it's gonna be worse if you're on aspirin. The heart again can take it because it's got muscle. So it's rare to kind of poke a hole through a21:32 heart vessel. You can put a stent and but the the brain, the vessels take they they they don't like it. They don't take a beating very well. So you don't wanna be on a blood thinner if you don't have to be.21:42 Okay. So now before we were talking about that if you're on a blood thinner and you go off, that is a, you know, big red flag for people who are having can can cause a stroke. So does it work21:54 the same way with aspirin? Like if21:55 No. Because aspirin is a smaller kind of we're talking about the prescription blood thinners that doctors put you on. The the Xarelto's, the coat, the Coumadin, the, you know, warfarin's, the Plavix,22:07 Brilinta's, the stronger ones that doctors prescribe.22:10 What is something that the audience can do now for their overall brain health?22:18 Be active every single day and do anything you can to keep your brain moving. As you especially as you get older, I mean, can do anything, puzzles, anything that keeps your brain constantly. The the22:30 worst thing you don't wanna do is just sit down and watch TV. You wanna keep your brain functioning. So anything that22:35 Unless you wanna watch Jeopardy.22:37 Unless you wanna watch Jeopardy. Exactly. Osudoku or or there's anything like that that your your your brain has to solve our problem is is what your brain needs.22:47 Keep learning because your brain Keep learning. Keep reading.22:50 Reading anything.22:51 Read the word of God. Memorize scriptures. Keep your brain going and keep yourself healthy that way. Now, always learn something new. Right? They say, you know, I remember when my kids used to come home from school and23:01 be like, what did you learn today? Nothing. You know, they would always say nothing. But it's like, maybe try to learn something every day. Maybe a scripture because that's gonna keep your brain active too.23:10 There's 1 other new kind of thing that we have for stroke right now that's coming into fruition is is called the mobile stroke ambulance. So now there are ambulances that actually have a CAT scanner on them.23:22 Oh, wow.23:22 So instead of going to get a patient and trying to make a diagnosis of a stroke and bringing them back to an emergency room and then putting them in a scanner to see if there's bleeding or whatever, this the scanner23:32 comes to them. So Awesome. The call goes out, they go to the house, they put the patient in the ambulance, scan the patient, you make the diagnosis, the images come back to the medical center, and then you go from there.23:43 So it saves time that way. Mobile stroke scanners are are coming.23:47 And now how soon are those coming?23:49 They're here. There's 1 in Houston right now.23:51 Wow. Okay. So are those, you know, are are are there plans that you know of to get those like nationwide?23:57 Yes. Yeah. Cleveland, most of the largest cities have a mobile ambulance. I know some cities in Germany have mobile stroke ambulances.24:06 Wow. Just amazing information, isn't it?24:09 Yes. It And it's cutting edge and, you know, everybody needs to think about their brain health. Right?24:16 That's true.24:17 And everybody needs to maybe know a lot of these things that that they didn't know before to be able to be proactive, to be able to, you know, take care of things, to know the difference. If there's any kind of24:29 difference that you feel in yourself that you may isn't it like balance is is kind of an an issue too if you kinda are having balance issues?24:37 Any balance problems that goes along with, you know, face, arm strength, but any imbalance issues can also I know 1 there's kinda 1 story where the the family noticed that their beloved 1 just started24:49 walking and it was like bumping up against the wall. They were walking.24:52 Oh, wow.24:53 They were bumping and moving along the wall. They were still talking fine. And they said, are you doing? And he goes, I don't know. But they were walking against the wall instead of walking a straight line. So any any of25:02 those kind of things are worrisome for a stroke.25:04 Yeah. That's why it's always good to keep up with your loved ones and to be checking on them. And so we are so grateful to have you on here. It's just amazing for me to be able to25:14 Thank you.25:14 To, interview my husband. I'm always so proud of him and all that that he is doing, through God. Right? Because apart from God, we can do nothing.25:23 Well25:24 We can do all things through him.25:25 And I'm more proud of you because you save many more people than I do.25:29 No. I can't save anybody. It's Jesus. Right? Right? So we just we just only preach the gospel and Jesus does the saving. He draws all men to himself. So we just thank you so much for joining us and for getting the word25:40 out, and we hope that that blesses. Is there, again, you wanna see the website of where they could get information about25:47 It's s n I s s n I s dot org and it's get ahead of stroke. I think it's g a o s dot org. But get ahead of stroke, those 2, places list the doctors and they list theShow more
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