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Overcoming Your Fears with Faith - Episode 6
June 27, 2024 · 49 min
Fear often holds us back from saying or doing the things that God has called us to do. In this episode, Haley and Dustin discuss how fear can impact our lives and walk with the Lord. With personal stories and biblical insights, they also share practical steps on overcoming fear and how fear can be an opportunity for greater faith and dependence on the Lord.
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
Everything.
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
Listen in to learn more :
(00:04) Overcoming Fear Through Faith
(05:13) Understanding Fear, Anxiety, and Worry
(11:36) Confronting Fear With Faith
(19:09) Trusting God Overcoming Fear
(30:17) Confronting Fear With God's Presence
(41:17) Finding Peace Through Trust and Faith
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Helpful links and resources
Connect with us on social!
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart
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Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/
Learn more about Hope Talks and submit your question for Haley and Dustin: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/podcast
Want to talk with June Hunt on the Hope in the Night broadcast? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
Free resource on fear: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/fear/
Book on fear: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/product/fear/
Video course on fear:: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/product/fear-course/
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
Proverbs 27:12: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty.”
Isaiah 41:10: “So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.”
Isaiah 41:13: “For I am the LORD your God who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you.”
Romans 8:38-39: “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
2 Timothy 1:7: “For God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and self-control.”
Series Hope Talks June 27, 2024 · 49 min · Hope Talks
Fear often holds us back from saying or doing the things that God has called us to do. In this episode, Haley and Dustin discuss how fear can impact our lives and walk with the Lord. With personal stories and biblical insights, they also share practical steps on overcoming fear and how fear can be an opportunity for greater faith and dependence on the Lord. Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit. So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means Everything. Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart. Listen in to learn more : (00:04) Overcoming Fear Through Faith (05:13) Understanding Fear, Anxiety, and Worry (11:36) Confronting Fear With Faith (19:09) Trusting God Overcoming Fear (30:17) Confronting Fear With God's Presence (41:17) Finding Peace Through Trust and Faith -------------- Helpful links and resources Connect with us on social! Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/ Learn more about Hope Talks and submit your question for Haley and Dustin: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/podcast Want to talk with June Hunt on the Hope in the Night broadcast? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night Free resource on fear: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/fear/ Book on fear: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/product/fear/ Video course on fear:: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/product/fear-course/ -------------- Bible verses mentioned in this episode Proverbs 27:12: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty.” Isaiah 41:10: “So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.” Isaiah 41:13: “For I am the LORD your God who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you.” Romans 8:38-39: “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” 2 Timothy 1:7: “For God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and self-control.” ...more Show the full description Show less Fear often holds us back from saying or doing the things that God has called us to do. In this episode, Haley and Dustin discuss how fear can impact our lives and walk with the Lord. With personal stories and biblical insights, they also share practical steps on overcoming fear and how fear can be an opportunity for greater faith and dependence on the Lord.
Subscribe to the podcast and tune in each week as Haley and Dustin share with you what the Bible says about real-life issues with compassion, warmth, and wit.
So you have every reason for hope, for every challenge in life. Because hope means
Everything.
Hope Talks is a podcast of the ministry of Hope for the Heart.
Listen in to learn more :
(00:04) Overcoming Fear Through Faith
(05:13) Understanding Fear, Anxiety, and Worry
(11:36) Confronting Fear With Faith
(19:09) Trusting God Overcoming Fear
(30:17) Confronting Fear With God's Presence
(41:17) Finding Peace Through Trust and Faith
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Helpful links and resources
Connect with us on social!
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/hopefortheheart
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/hopefortheheart
Learn more about the ministry and resources of Hope for the Heart: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/
Learn more about Hope Talks and submit your question for Haley and Dustin: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/podcast
Want to talk with June Hunt on the Hope in the Night broadcast? Schedule a time here: https://resource.hopefortheheart.org/talk-with-june-hope-in-the-night
Free resource on fear: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/fear/
Book on fear: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/product/fear/
Video course on fear:: https://www.hopefortheheart.org/product/fear-course/
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Bible verses mentioned in this episode
Proverbs 27:12: “The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty.”
Isaiah 41:10: “So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.”
Isaiah 41:13: “For I am the LORD your God who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you.”
Romans 8:38-39: “For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
2 Timothy 1:7: “For God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of power and love and self-control.”
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0:00 In counseling, when someone says I'm afraid or I have fear, 1 of the first things that our resources help people do and that I think is very practically helpful is define what do we mean0:11 by that. You know, when I say I'm afraid or when I say that there's fear happening, what do I mean? So I do wanna start with the difference in fear, anxiety, and worry so that we can kind of0:23 maybe set anxiety aside, set worry aside today as we talk about fear and help those that are listening really address the fear issue in their life.0:37 Welcome to Hope Talks where we want to give you every reason for hope for every challenge in life. We are your hosts. I'm Haley Scully along with Dustin Anderson. And I'm0:49 gonna be real honest.0:51 Mhmm.0:52 I was like, oh, we're talking about fear this week? That's my wheelhouse.0:57 Great.0:58 I think I know. And then I thought, oh, that's sad that that's my wheelhouse.1:03 But I felt overly confident coming in this week to talk about fear. Overly confident just because, you know, there are certain things that we may talk about as we get more into hope talks,1:15 but fear is 1. If I have ever wrestled with anything in my life1:20 Okay.1:20 It has been wrestling with fear. Yeah. So fear, I'm ready.1:24
1:25 Come at me, bro. Maybe this will be a
1:27 ready to talk about fear.
1:28 Haley's greatest hits or maybe it'll be a counseling session.
1:31 Yeah. I might be I might be crying at
1:33 the end of this. I don't really know what my confidence is going to lead us to,
1:37 but I do feel like I know a little something about fear. So what what are we gonna kind of talk through today?
1:43 Yeah. So today, just as a matter of kind of definition and setting the discussion, we'll be talking about more general fear, not necessarily like phobias.
1:52 Mhmm.
1:53 Like, you know, clinical kind of phobias. Just more the general fears we all face, you know, the fear of change, the fear of the unknown, fear of failure, rejection, those kinds of things Yeah. That show up in our lives.
2:04 Fear of loss, fear of
2:06 Check. Check. Check. Check.
2:08 You know, fear of disappointing others, things like that. So that when we say fear today, that's kind of what we have in mind.
2:14 Okay.
2:15 So we'll be talking through that just how fear just kind of shows up in our lives, affects our lives, and our walk with Christ and kind of what often lies underneath our fears. And then just lastly, some practical
2:26 things from scripture and what the Bible has to say about how we can overcome our fears, face them, and find peace. And so, you know, 1 of the things that's been said a lot, I've heard from the
2:38 pulpit is, you know, do not fear is the most frequent command in scripture. It's actually I've heard it said it's mentioned 365 times.
2:47 So 1 phrase I never went and encountered, but that is what people say.
2:51 Yet fear often kind of controls our lives. Yeah. It's the driver of the ship. Right. You said before and Yeah. You know, it can control our decision makings and our actions, and it kind of holds
3:03 us back from the things that are important or the things that we feel God is calling us to do. So Mhmm. We wanna dive in today and just kind of talk through that and what God's word says,
3:15 you know, and talk through kind of how the hope we have and can help us overcome our fears, but also how scripture gives us a lot of reasons to remember God's faithfulness
3:26 Yeah. And gives us reason to have courage in the face of fear. So
3:30 Yeah. You know, as I started thinking about this and just kind of praying, okay. I mean, every time that we come in and do Hope Talks, 1 of the things that I like is we don't have this totally planned
3:42 and scripted. Because when you totally plan and script something, then we don't really leave room open for how God is gonna lead us or what direction the conversation is going in. So I was thinking, you know, what are
3:54 some of the things I'm gonna think about? And I feel like there have been 3 main drivers in my life.
4:00 Mhmm.
4:00 And for alliteration purposes, which I know miss June Hunt would enjoy, a lot of our resources have alliteration because it helps us remember. But I would come to that family, fear,
4:12 and faith. Okay. Yeah. That's how classy I am. Those are the 3 main drivers in my life. The things that I've kind of built around or at different seasons have driven the ship for me or
4:24 driven the car, whatever imagery I'm gonna end up saying. I'll probably change it all out. But those 3 things have been pretty significant in my life and in my story. So 1 of the things that I think is super
4:36 helpful in counseling, when someone says I'm afraid or I have fear Yeah. 1 of the first things that our resources help people do and that I think is very practically helpful is
4:47 define what do we mean by that. Yeah. You know, when I say I'm afraid or when I say that there's fear happening, what do I mean? So I do wanna start with just saying a couple of the definitions. The
4:59 difference in fear, anxiety, and worry. Right. So that we can kind of maybe set anxiety aside, set worry aside today as we talk about fear and help those that are
5:11 listening really address the fear issue in their life. And then maybe another time we'll talk about anxiety and worry. But fear is an immediate instinctual reaction to a real or imagined threat.
5:23 Yeah.
5:24 So we'll kind of unpack the goodness of fear and why that is a God given emotion a little bit. I assume we'll get to that. Yep. And then anxiety is a persistent feeling of unease
5:35 or dread. Yeah. Often no specific threat in the moment. Anxiety is just kind of ongoing. Persistent. Yeah. I'm kind of thinking about this. It's more generalized and more ongoing. So fear
5:47 is that imminent threat, either real or perceived.
5:50 Know what the object of the fear is.
5:52 Yeah. It's real or imagined. You kinda know what
5:55 it is. And anxiety just kind of generally Yeah. You wake
5:58 up anxious, and there's no clear reason why.
6:02 Right. And then worry is repetitive thoughts about potential problems. Worry is, you know, robbing up or stealing our joy today worrying about tomorrow.
6:13 Yep. Your mind's in the future. It's more of a mental habit.
6:16 Right. Repetitive thoughts and potential problems or uncertainties. So fear and anxiety are more emotional and physical.
6:24 Yep.
6:24 And then worry is more of a mental habit. Yeah. So I think as we kind of clarify and put these things into the right buckets Yeah. Like, am I dealing with worry, a mental
6:36 habit of rehearsing or, you know, catastrophizing future uncertainties? That's worry. Or do I just kinda have a general anxiety that I've built up? Maybe there's serotonin levels. Maybe things have
6:48 happened. Like, I can start to address what are the causes of that persistent worry, or is there a specific threat right now that I'm afraid of? And so as we bucket those off, as we
7:00 put those off in things, it actually makes it more manageable because I'm dealing with the truth of what I'm stressed about right now, and I can get practical on how do I address these individual
7:12 things. There may be biological things to address. There may be hormone levels. There may be serotonin levels. There may be things that we need to look at and think about. There may be mental habits
7:24 that I need to break and plan a new habit. So I think there's great value in defining and understanding what it is that we're talking And
7:35 I think there's some, obviously, there's some overlap between these 3 things.
7:40 Mhmm.
7:40 But with fear, when we kinda separate them out a little bit, fear seems a bit more not smaller, but more manageable. Because when you kinda make the distinction between if you know fear is like the
7:52 instinctual reaction to, you know, a threat. Mhmm. And you usually know what that is. Mhmm. Whereas anxiety is more persistent. With fear, it's kind of like, it's 1 thing. It's not this constant
8:04 pervasive thing.
8:05 Right.
8:06 So it does feel like a bit more manageable, a fear of, you know, losing a certain person or a fear of there's something there's a conversation I need to have and I'm not sure how it's
8:18 going to go. Mhmm.
8:19 You
8:19 know, there's a fear of this unknown situation. So it, you know, it localizes it
8:23 Right.
8:24 A bit more. So it feels a bit more manageable.
8:26 Transparency alert.
8:27 Okay.
8:28 Yeah. So I'm gonna jump into a way that even as I think about this, that I think that it kind of exhibited in my life. Early twenties, imagine if you will, a
8:40 20 something year old Hayley that is trying hard, trying to do my job well, trying to figure out life, you know, be a grownup and pay my bills and
8:52 trying to figure out what is my purpose, where am I going, what's happening, right? So I began because at that time I wasn't grounded in
9:04 going to the Lord. Now I was saved, I believed, but I was definitely on milk, as Paul would say. I
9:15 wasn't discipled and I wasn't growing in my faith or my relationship with the Lord. So for 1, I believe very strongly that God did not let me get settled. He
9:26 didn't answer a lot of my prayers. There wasn't a lot of the blessing that I was looking for because in his goodness, he was wanting to guide me in a different direction. I didn't know it though. So that
9:38 was later to be revealed. In the moment, I was just trying to gut it out and figure it out. I believe during that period, a pervasive anxiety
9:50 began to build in me. I started to look ahead. I started to borrow from tomorrow. I started to worry. I started to kind of develop an anxiety, 1,
10:02 in my relationship with God because I wasn't growing with So Satan had an open door into my heart to begin tempting me to believe He wasn't good. Oh, where is God? What's He doing? Why isn't He
10:14 helping you? Here you are gutting it out. And if He was a good Father and He loved you, He'd be giving you a hand. And I started to be like, Yeah. Where is God? Why isn't He helping me out? Can't He see? I'm down here.
10:26 You know? So I started to develop that anxiety. Well, it came to a boil. Like, it came to a point that for me then began to it needed an expression. It needed
10:38 an outlet in my life, and that outlet developed a fear. So the first time that I was afraid, I was with my besties at Silver Dollar
10:49 City in Branson. Right? The scariest place on earth.
10:53 Right.
10:54 And I wanted to go down in the cave. I was so excited about it, and I was the 1 that drew us to that. This is a story I did not plan on telling in but this is it. And we got down to
11:06 the first level in that cave and kind of looked over a little overlook, and something rose up in me and broke loose. The level of
11:18 fear that I experienced in that moment, I could barely stand. Yeah. And I kinda tell the story. Like, I went over to the little khaki panted, you know, 18 year old
11:29 guide, and I was like, how do I get out of here?
11:33 Get me out
11:34 of here. And so for the next hour, that was my first panic attack. Didn't know what it was, but that was the first time where distance from God, a distance from
11:45 my security, a distance from my help, a distance from my creator and my purpose, that distance finally broke loose in me and the grace
11:57 of the fear that I felt. And it it was a process. Ultimately, I didn't go to caves every day.
12:03 Right.
12:03 But the fear transferred to flying. I could hear an airplane overhead.
12:09 Yeah.
12:10 And so when I say family, fear, and faith, fear was ultimately 1 of the greatest gifts in my life, and I've never said it like that until
12:21 this moment. How was it get? Of that fear, well, because I couldn't solve it. I couldn't fix it for myself. And that feeling of being out of
12:33 control and that feeling of I just had never been out of control. I'm Haley Scully. I handle my business.
12:40 Yeah.
12:41 I lead people. Yeah. I do things. And to physically feel so unable to handle my business, but that was the beginning of
12:53 the end of fear controlling me because it drove me back to God. And so without that fear, being very grateful for it now yeah.
13:02 Yeah. I think that reminds me. I think sometimes God puts us in situations where we just have to depend on him, where we're shown the limits of our
13:14 of ourselves
13:15 Yeah.
13:15 And our coping mechanisms and everything.
13:18 And Hoping.
13:19 Say it. Hoping. Hoping there, Dustin.
13:21 Yeah. Our hoping mechanisms.
13:23 Hoping mechanisms.
13:24 And the things we rely on, and it's kind of like we see the limits of what we're capable of, and it drives us to depend on the Lord.
13:33 Yeah.
13:33 And it reminds me of just how pervasive fear can be. Like you said, it kinda transferred from 1 thing to another. Mhmm. Like, I think fear is 1 of those
13:45 emotions where it does need an outlet and it kind of it will work itself out in different ways in your life. And so 1 of the things I shared on here before, and I don't want this to
13:57 keep being my main story, but after I lost my mom when I was 16, I, you know, I had the fear of losing my dad. Mhmm. And so the way that that kind of
14:08 actually played out though was it wasn't just like the kind of base fear of like, you know, what happens if I lose him and and that and that kind of worry. It was more like, I want to
14:20 have conversations with him about his health and things like that. Yeah. But I was always like, afraid to have those conversations. And so it kinda held
14:32 me back to pursuing those types of conversations. But then Mhmm. That type of thing worked itself out just in other situations where, you know, whether it's a problem in a relationship
14:44 or something where I needed to speak up or tell the truth or whatever, I would avoid it. Yeah. Because it was like, I just wanna that's what fear does is fear is this kind of self
14:55 protecting. It makes you wanna just protect yourself.
14:58 Mean It's a thwarter.
14:59 It's a thwarter. There you go.
15:00 Okay.
15:01 And so in the moments where you feel that fear, you wanna protect yourself. And so when it plays out in relationships and in daily life, it's kind of like, you
15:13 wanna seek comfort or rather than face it and, you know, be a little bit courageous and take the risk and have the conversation. Yeah. Fear has this way of just kind of being
15:24 pervasive through your decisions and your actions.
15:28 It prevents us from so much. It can prevent us from an action that we need to take, like getting on the flight, getting on the plane, having the conversation. It can
15:39 prevent us from doing things that we need to do, maybe if that has to do with our job, if that has to do with relationships. You know, some of the common fears are fear of failure, fear that
15:51 we're gonna disappoint people. I know fear of being embarrassed. Man, I hate being embarrassed. I hate it so much. The fear of people being like, Well, that was disappointing, You stink at
16:03 that, or doing this, stepping into hope talks. A little bit of a fear of the response or the results or, okay, God, is this
16:11 Oh, yeah. No. I remember when you and the team asked me about this. Like, immediately, like, there's a fear there of just, like, my mind was going through, like, Moses. Like, I'm gonna give you every reason why
16:23 I should not do it. Send someone else.
16:27 I was like to say, shouldn't an adult be doing this? Like, somebody regal be doing the things
16:32 that God's asking us to do?
16:33 And that was yeah. It's that kind of default. We have kinda like the 4 ways of handling fear, like, most people have heard of fight, flight or freeze.
16:42 Mhmm.
16:42 You know, fight, I just wanna attack it head on. Flight, the escape artists, I just wanna get away from this, you know, freeze where it's just like, that's a bit more me. I'm just like, I just hesitant, indecisive, I
16:54 don't know what to do. But then there's the fourth 1, which is, you know, faith Mhmm. Which is not necessarily any 3 of those. Like, I think sometimes we think the
17:06 faith means we're just gonna face it head on. Right. But there are some situations where that's actually not smart. If there's a tornado outside, it's right and good to seek refuge and
17:16 not Yeah.
17:17 You don't be like, oh, I'm I'm not afraid. I'm just gonna
17:19 You talking my language. Tornadoes.
17:21 Yeah. So Yeah. There are situations where it is right to, you know there's a verse that comes to mind that I did wanna share today, which is Proverbs 27 12, which says, the prudent see danger and take refuge,
17:34 but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. So there are situations where fighting the fear, facing it head on Right. There are situations where we do take precautions, we do seek refuge and things like
17:46 that. But with faith, it's more bringing it to God, praying through it, trusting him, talking with others, being discerning about what to do in the situation, and then making a decision and
17:57 moving forward.
17:58 And we talked a little bit about faith is not the absence of fear. So talk about that a little bit. Why would you say that faith and fear are in
18:10 cooperation?
18:11 I think there's kind of a misconception sometimes that if I have faith, it just means there's, like, 0 fear. Yeah. I think the way it mostly plays out a lot of times is,
18:23 like, you do feel the fear. You have courage at the same time. Yeah. And so I don't think it's necessarily, like there's many senses as much they're in opposition to each other. But some of the ways they play out, if
18:34 you're kind of living with fear, I won't go through all of these, but some of these things, if you're living in a state of kind of fearfulness Mhmm. You'll tend to seek comfort and not take
18:46 risks. You'll tend to avoid situations instead of being courageous where you're willing to step out and take a risk and confront the thing that's, you know, causing fear.
18:55 Mhmm.
18:56 And that over time, if you keep doing that, you could become kind of fragile. Yeah. Become weaker over time because you're not actually growing
19:04 Right.
19:04 Rather than becoming resilient where you, you know, you bounce back from things, you become stronger over time. And then 1 of the things that could lead to is having regrets where you're missing
19:16 opportunities because there's things you know you should do.
19:19 Right.
19:19 There's things where you kinda know that God's calling you to do, but you're you're not doing them. So you're missing the opportunities. So you're being regretful instead of grateful where
19:30 Oh, that's good.
19:31 So grateful meaning you did pursue the opportunity. You did. And even if you failed Mhmm. You at least went for it
19:39 Yeah.
19:40 And you're grateful that you did it. And then a couple more practical ones of the difference between fear and faith. With fear, you can become more controlling. All you wanna do is control your environment, which kinda
19:51 leads to more anxiety and worry rather than being trusting.
19:55 Yeah. Because everything needs to stay in its place and be manageable and handleable. Yeah.
20:01 Handleable. I think is the word you're trying to
20:03 make always find the hardest words that I've ever say.
20:06 Think we've made up a word almost every
20:07 episode. I'm so sorry.
20:09 But a few more just being paralyzed, you know, by fear, being hesitant, doubting your decisions versus being proactive, being decisive, taking action.
20:21 And then 2 more being in a state of fearfulness, you become self focused, you look inward, you know, you're focused more on just managing the environment, managing your problems rather than being focused on
20:33 others, serving others, helping, you know, others grow and serving. Mhmm. And then fearfulness can kinda play itself out also as people pleasing Mhmm. Because you're seeking others approval, you're
20:45 afraid of what other people are gonna say, you kinda just Shrink back. You shrink back. You don't put yourself out there rather than, you know, focused on pleasing God, you know, with God you know
20:56 you're accepted, you know you're loved, you know, nothing can change that.
21:01 Right.
21:01 Nothing can separate us from the love of Christ. And so you can move forward with obedience and you can and you know that the hope that you have we were talking about this song, you know, as we were planning, I
21:13 won't sing it. But that Shane and
21:15 Shane think that's a miss on your part. I think I think you should sing it, but you can state it.
21:20 Yeah. That Shane and Shane song where the lyrics go, I know how the story ends. Mhmm. And it says no more fear in life or death. Yeah. And so knowing the hope that you have in
21:32 Christ, you know everything is going to work out in the end. Not necessarily in terms of like circumstances changing, but we know the hope of the resurrection. We
21:44 know the hope of that we have in Christ. And so I think that gives us a certain a boldness and a confidence and just a sense of everything's gonna be okay so I can face
21:56 this.
21:56 Yeah. I used to say I'm kind of like a brave chicken because none of the glory of overcoming that is due to me. People will kind of look at my story at times in
22:08 international and, like, knowing that I was afraid to fly and those types of things and think, oh gosh. She's courageous or she's brave or she's doing whatever. And it's like, oh god. I really need you to understand
22:20 that this was not this is literally what he did in me. Because for me, I came to a pivot point. Like, talked about fight or flight or freeze or faith. Right? I
22:32 came to a pivot point where I had a complete meltdown, a complete panic attack. I was gonna have to fly to New York City for work with work, and
22:43 I just absolutely felt like I was gonna die. Yep. You know? So fear had so gripped me, and I had so kind of depleted my
22:56 inner strength
22:57 Right.
22:58 That I couldn't get a handle on it. So I leaned into my people. I called my parents. This was back in my twenties. I called mom and daddy. And I remember as parents a lot of
23:09 times, they wanna fix it.
23:12 Right.
23:12 And we wanna do that for 1 another. I wanna relieve you of this feeling. I wanna help you get past that, and we wanna fix it. And so, rightly so, my dad was like, youShow more
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