1. Providence in Adoption: Matt's life began with a divine appointment when his birth mother, a pregnant 15-year-old, stopped at a church instead of continuing to an abortion clinic. Through a network of pastors, she was connected with a couple who had been trying for ten years to have children.
2. Fatherly Foundation: Matt's adoptive father built a strong relationship by consistently communicating their special bond, using Ephesians 1:5 (about God predestining adoption) as their shared family verse—a practice they continue to this day in cards and letters.
3. Showing Up Matters: Despite financial hardships and business challenges, Matt's father never missed important moments in his life. His consistent presence at sporting events, academic interventions, and family activities taught Matt that children value time over money or material things.
4. Freedom to Fail: One of the most impactful parenting strategies Matt's father employed was allowing him to fail and learn from his mistakes rather than controlling his choices or rescuing him from consequences—a practice that built resilience and problem-solving skills.
5. Leading by Example: Matt watched his father prioritize faith over personal interests, including missing Monday Night Football for ten years to take his sons to Bible study—demonstrating that actions speak louder than words when instilling values.
6. Open Communication: By creating intentional one-on-one time, Matt's father established safe spaces for transparent conversation, from childhood lunches to a significant fishing trip where Matt shared his plans to propose to his now-wife.‍
7. The Power of Prayer: Matt emphasizes how prayer has guided his journey and remains central to his life as he prepares to become a father himself, reflecting the mission of PRAY.COM to help people develop spiritual habits that support mental and emotional well-being.

Marcus: Well, hello, everybody. This is Marcus here with Father Media Group, the Father Podcast, and we are so excited that you're here. We have a special guest today. I'm so excited to talk through his story. We also have Steven Meeks here. Say hello, Steven.

Steven: Hi, it's good to be here.

Marcus: So our special guest is Matt Potter from PRAY.COM. Hello, Matt.

Matt Potter: Hey, Marcus. Great to be here. Honored and blessed to be with Steven and you on the fatherhood podcast.

Marcus: Yeah. Awesome. We are excited too. So we actually heard that there was a great story, a great father story from you, and I want to talk through that a little bit. Matt, we are just so grateful that you are on the show and love to get a quick intro about you and PRAY.COM, and why you got involved. And then let's dive deeper into your story about your dad, because I think that's what we're all here for—to be better in our roles as fathers, and to be able to really grow in our confidence as fathers as we raise our sons. So, Matt, tell us a little bit about your background here.

Matt: Yeah, no problem at all. First of all, thank you for tuning in, and thanks for having me on the podcast. Just honored and blessed to be here to tell my story. And hopefully, it blesses your life.

You know, my mom was a 15-year-old girl who was 15 and pregnant, and she didn't know what to do. And so she was on her way to an abortion clinic when she stopped in at a church. And she went and spoke to the pastor about the biggest decision that she was gonna make in her life up to that point. And the pastor was a little nervous. He didn't know what to tell this 15-year-old girl who had never met her parents or anyone before.

And so he called a friend of his who had a 20-person church plant in a high school gym in Los Angeles. And he said, "You know what? What do I tell this 15-year-old girl?" And the pastor in Los Angeles said, "You know, it's Providence that you called me. I've been meeting with this married couple. They've been trying to have children for 10 years, and doctors just told them that they would never be able to have children. Why don't you walk back in that room and ask that girl if she'd be willing to give her baby up for adoption?"

And so the girl said yes, and I got adopted. I was the baby the girl brought into the church, and I got adopted because of these two pastors that were friends. And my dad, because he got me from the church, he recently became a Christian, but because he got me from the church, he ended up becoming one of the head elders of this small church. And now over the course of my life, it's grown to be one of the largest churches in Los Angeles, and I think we do about 15,000 people a weekend at Shepherd Church.

And so I got the unique opportunity to see that church grow and ended up going to high school out here in Los Angeles. And my sophomore year of high school, I got the unique opportunity to go up to Pixar, and I got to meet Steve Jobs. He's a super inspirational guy, and I just looked up to what he was doing with Apple. But also my entire life, my dad is also an entrepreneur, and he started a small real estate company with his three friends that he played football with.

My dad grew that company to now I think they have over 1500 real estate agents, 11 locations. He's just done an incredible job with what God has given my dad. And so coming back from Pixar, I was just very struck with Steve Jobs because he was also adopted. And I just knew that I wanted to do something with Apple or something that Steve Jobs was working on.

So when I got to my senior year of college, I dropped out of school when Apple launched the App Store. And I knew that I wanted to do something with apps. And because my dad had brought me to work all the time and I had worked in the mail room and delivering mail and checks and all sorts of things, and there's photos of me as a young kid wearing a suit, going to work with my dad, and learning from him, I just knew that there was something in real estate with apps that needed to be done because real estate companies didn't have enough funds to hire their own engineering teams, but they needed their own apps in the App Store.

So I quickly realized that real estate companies would want their own app in the App Store, and it would be a big undertaking for them. So I started a company called HomeStack my senior year of college. I bootstrapped that company from the ground up. We raised no capital. I was already in debt with school, no degree to show for it, and ventured out on my own going more into debt starting a company.

So my dad had a whole lot of patience and understanding, you know, when your son calls you and says he's dropping out of school to start a company, and he doesn't have it fully thought out yet. So it was super fun times and interesting times. But I built that company. It ended up going really well. Built it up over 10 years, and we ended up building over 8,000 apps in the app stores for all the major real estate companies in the United States. So Coldwell Banker, Century 21, Windermere, Sotheby's, Keller Williams, many, many more. Every pretty much real estate company you can think of, we had built apps or technology that they had used.

So the company was going great. And after 10, 11 years, I just felt God tugging on my heart to do something bigger for the kingdom, something—I felt like I lost my purpose. And so I called my pastor, asked him how I could help and give back, called his daughter who's one of my best friends, and they both said, "Hey. Why don't you help us open this new campus in Santa Monica that we're doing?"

And I said, "You know what? I'm an introverted tech entrepreneur, who did not go to seminary. Opening new church campuses sounds terrifying. But you know what? Let me pray about it." And I said I would pray about it. And that night, I did. And the next day, I ran into my cofounder, Steve, at a coffee shop.

And Steve had just become a Christian because of a tragedy that happened in his life. His business partner died, and a former Navy SEAL shared with him an audio sermon from a pastor. And he became a Christian. And he was at this coffee shop to meet an engineer to build an app for PRAY.COM, which he had just bought because he wanted to help people just like him who were dealing with tragedies in their life or needed the gospel, but there was no centralized place for Christians online.

We have the ESPN for sports, the worldwide destination for sports, ESPN.com, but we didn't have the worldwide destination for Christians or people who are curious to know more, online. And so Steve was there to meet an engineer. The engineer said that he couldn't do that and that wasn't his specialty. And Steve and I ran into each other, and we'd known each other for better part of a decade.

And we sat down and started talking, and I just said, "Steve, this is Providence. I talked to my pastor last night on how I could help and give back. I'll help you build PRAY.COM." So Steve and I, and our other two incredible cofounders, Mike Lin and Ryan Beck, we started PRAY.COM later in 2016.

We raised, by the grace of God, around $36 million to start PRAY.COM from some of the top venture capitalists in Silicon Valley who just believed that there needed to be a digital destination for Christians online. So we started doing research. We built out the app. Fast forward to today, we're at 16.5 million downloads of PRAY.COM, 142 million shares of the app outside the app on other platforms, and 2 billion listening minutes of content on the app. So it's gone incredibly well.

We also launched some podcasts last year, so about 14 months ago, and we hit a hundred million downloads of our podcasts in the last 14 months. So it's been an incredible journey. Steve Jobs had a line that he used to say all the time, and you can always connect the dots looking back. But I like to say you can only connect the dots looking back if you put God in it because so many things have happened that were providential and divine moments, where God really stepped in and helped us along the way.

Marcus: Wow. Incredible. Thank you for sharing that. Man, like, Steven, you know the power of prayer. We all know the power of prayer. We've been building this company through the power of prayer, and it's just a testament. Your story is a testament to how important prayer is too, Matt.

I want to talk to you about, and thank you for starting that. Thank you for walking the faith path of getting that up for people because prayer is huge, absolutely bar none. It is the number one way for us to communicate to God. It's the number one way for him to answer our asks and then some.

So I want to dig into your story, your father's story. Tell us a little bit about—I'd like to know a little bit about—you know, you were adopted, and you went through—you were adopted as a baby. Right?

Matt: Yep. Brand new. Yep. A new baby.

Marcus: So your whole life, this was your father. First off, did you know any different? Did that change anything? Or was there always something in the back of your—when did you know you were adopted, first off?

Matt: So my dad had told me all along that I was adopted. And my name means "gift from God," Matt. That's what Matthew means. So my dad and mom would tell me all throughout growing up in my younger years, that I was adopted and that they chose me and God gave me to them.

So I always knew. And there was nothing—I never felt anything different. I never felt the need to reach out to my biological parents. I felt like God had put me on this path, that it was providential. And my dad always made me feel like they had chosen me.

Something interesting also happened where—doctors told my parents that they wouldn't be able to have children and then they had my brother, which is very common with kids that are adopted where the first son or first daughter is adopted and then parents have children after that.

So growing up with my brother, my dad always—there was no feeling of, "Well, Matt's adopted and you're my actual son" or anything like that. Now there were differences in skills. My dad grew up—he's an incredible football player, played quarterback at Granada High School, won the big game. It was the most attended high school football game in the United States, where it was Dana Potter, my dad, versus Anthony Davis. And they were not supposed to win. They had graduated all the seniors. It was like the sophomore squad, and they won the championship game even though they lost to that team earlier.

So my brother, incredible at sports. He got those genetics. Me, I got the body. I'm, like, 6'2" and 250 and just all thumbs fumbling around.

Marcus: You've got the brains of the tech. Right?

Matt: So if it wasn't for that, the brain, PRAY.COM would have been probably what it was. So it's just so funny how God works sometimes.

So growing up, I knew nothing different. And my dad and my mom made it a point to make sure that I didn't feel that way.

Steven: Well, man, let me ask you. This is off script a little bit, but it's right on target with what you're saying. And so I'm a counselor, and I often am working with people—and ministers and pastors do this too—working with people who have been adopted. And now as adults they're really struggling with the issue. They feel like they need to go back and find their roots. They need to go back and meet their birth parent, or they have an attachment issue with the adopting family.

And so you said that your dad and your parents and your dad, you mentioned, really made you feel loved, made you feel wanted, like you were a gift. And so what can you give us—two or three—can you give those families that might be listening in this situation where they either they're the adopted person and they're not feeling that or they have a child that's not attaching very well. What would you say to them? What made it work for you? What did your dad do? Like, specific things that he did to make you feel like you were special or a gift?

Matt: Yeah, great question. So one of the things—the first thing that my dad did is we had a father and son Bible verse together. And that Bible verse, I would encourage other people who are adopted or have adopted children to do that with their son or daughter.

You know, that Bible verse is Ephesians 1:5, and it's different in what version of the Bible that you look it up, but we'll just call it the NIV version. Ephesians 1:5 says, "God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Christ." Now some of those different versions of the Bible will say "He predestined us to be adopted."

So for me, I always look at that verse. My dad and I still till this day, we sign every birthday card, Christmas card, Father's Day card with that verse at the end. And that to me meant the world and helped me along the way. So just knowing it was always a part of God's plan that this is where I should be. And this is where I need to be and what my life could look like if I wasn't here. There was never, like, a "grass is greener on the other side" type of mentality. I knew this is where I needed to be. So that would be number one.

Number two, you know, my dad showed up in my life. It was not easy for my dad, for our family, growing up. My dad's in real estate. I don't know if you guys remember the 1994 Northridge earthquake, one of the largest earthquakes in California. And there were things that had happened to my family financially because of that earthquake and because of non-Christian people doing illegal things, like embezzling money out of the company a long time ago, that really put my dad in a financial spot.

And so he still showed up to all of our sporting events even in this time. He showed up to school when I was doing terrible in school. I had, like, a 1.5 GPA. Just to give everybody who's doing bad in school—

Marcus: Hey. Hey.

Matt: I was doing terrible. My dad ripped me out of school and taught me some discipline and put me back on the right track. The next year, I got a 4.0.

Steven: So he saw a deficiency. He said, "I'm gonna take it upon myself to course correct."

Matt: Right? And get you—

Marcus: On top of all the other things he was dealing with—

Matt: Yeah. He also—he never showed it. He never showed the stress and the pressure that he was under on a daily basis between lawsuits and financial struggles and all the things that were happening in his life.

So number one, start off with the Bible. Number two, show up. And you know, kids value time over money. And I think in this day and age, a lot of parents are like, "Oh, here's 20 bucks. Go to the movies. Go to the mall. Whatever. Here's money." Kids don't value that at all, and they get nothing from that. They want time. And so for me, it really stuck with me that my dad spent a lot of time with me—spends a lot of time with me still.

Marcus: That's a huge earmark right there about, you know, you think—as fathers, we sometimes don't know what to do with our sons. So sometimes we go, "Oh, maybe we can just make him happy by giving him a device or giving him some money to go to the mall." No. It's time. It is time.

Steven: Because that is all they sometimes—kids—would you agree, Matt, that sometimes kids think they know what they want, but they what they really want is the other thing?

Matt: Always. Yeah. And you know, money and devices and things, all of that is just synthetic. Right?

Marcus: Yeah. Yeah. There is no replacement for time.

Steven: So if you don't mind, I want to get back to the initial question I wanted to actually ask you. We heard that you told us that your dad is your hero. And I think that's what an incredible gift that I'm sure that is to him when you say that about him. What were those top three things—two or three things that your dad did that made such a massive impact for you, that makes you call him your hero?

Matt: Yeah. Number one, my dad acts, is a great exemplification of a Christ-like example in my life. You know, he loves like Jesus does. Even over the years, people have come and gone in our lives, and maybe they've hurt our family or my dad in different ways. And my dad never showed anger or resentment. He loved like Jesus did. And kids pay attention. I definitely paid attention on what he did and how he reacted to things. And it was, number one, loving like Jesus. I would say had a huge impact in my life.

Number two, my dad never told me what to do. And maybe that was just my characteristics or my journey, but he never told me the right answer. He made me figure it out. So he never let me skip to the end. He made me go through the struggle, go through the results in business, in life, in relationships.

Now, if I strayed too far, like in school when I was getting a 1.5 GPA, he would course correct. But at the same time, I'd ask him, "What do I do? It's a 50-50 call. Dad, what do I do?" And he would never tell me. And in that moment, I was frustrated. But now I look back and I go, well, if I didn't have that struggle, if I didn't go through those things, if I didn't figure them out myself, I would not have learned all of the things that I've learned now. I wouldn't have established the skills that I have now. I'd still be going back to my dad asking every question, "What do I need to do," instead of learning for myself.

So, number one, Christ-like example. Number two, he never told me what to do. Number three, he would let me fail. He would let me fail, which might be controversial.

Marcus: To some people. You're speaking truth.

Matt: Yeah. You know, he would let me fail because that's how we learn. Right? And learning is painful. It's not fun. Right? In anything in life. And so when I look back, those learnings and that foundation and resiliency and discipline that I built from failing has really helped me, because every day I fail. Every day I mess up in some way.

You know, I didn't get the extra email in. I didn't follow up. I forgot to text the person back. Whatever it is, every day we fail. And building that resiliency, not only that mental resiliency, but also learning those skills from failing has helped me. So my dad, I would say, is not only my hero, but he's also my mentor in that way where he's helped me in life.

Marcus: Well, that's beautiful. Actually brings me to this verse in Romans 5:3. Right? "And not only this, but we also exalt in our tribulations knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; perseverance, proven character," which that's what he did. He gave you—he helped you grow that muscle of tribulation and handling yourself in harder issues or situations that gave you the character you needed to now be the leader you are for PRAY.COM and for the other things in your life. Right?

Matt: Yeah. And I think if I'm remembering correctly, I think the beginning of that says "Consider it pure joy, my brothers." Right? And so not just going through it, but praising God as you're going through it. And I watched my dad do that in several different situations in his life. And that really stuck with me.

Steven: Your comment there about your dad—it's clear that you and your dad talked and that you could communicate, and he was teaching you, talking to you back and forth. There was exchange. And the thing you just mentioned there real quick, the letting you fail. Failure lets a young man know he has limits. And pain or consequences lets him know he has boundaries. And so those keep him in the lane and also keep him from going over the cliff. And you need that to be healthy going forward.

It was really wise how he did that. But what is it? If you could go back, and this may be a stretch. I know we didn't prep you with this. But you can think what comes to mind as either an example of or maybe the first or the most strong example you might give us from your life of when your dad really—where you felt you could talk with him, where you knew you were free to be you, where you were comfortable with that or safe with him. Do you know where that began, or is there a special memory you can share with us on that?

Matt: Yeah. You know, I don't know when it began. Actually, I kinda can remember when it began. When my dad would make specific time just for me, not me and my brother, but just for me. And he would take me to lunch, and we would talk on the drive there and at lunch. Right? And so those open communication lines were established where my dad would say, "What do you wanna talk about?" And he would open it up, and he would create that open, transparent communication.

You know, recently, I got married about a year and a half ago.

Marcus: Oh, congratulations.

Matt: Thank you very much. And my dad could kinda tell I was in love. Right? And so he took me fishing. He said, "Hey. Anything you wanna talk about." Right? And so we were talking about getting married. We were talking about my wife now, and we were talking about all the things that I was thinking about that was on my mind at that time. And it was just a very special memory of fishing with my dad and telling him all the things that I was thinking about and then at the end telling him, "Look. This is the woman I'm gonna marry."

Steven: Amazing. That was a really great memory.

Steven: I took my sons on a trip when they were 13, and that's part of what I've been doing with men. But I took them on a fishing trip, and we talked about their future wife. We talked about how they behave now in preparation for her even though they didn't have her name or didn't know her at the time. But it opened that channel so that they felt comfortable later on to come in and say, "Dad, what about"—anything—I mean, anything.

So pulling you aside and opening the door and then listening is huge. He did such a good thing. And evidently, you felt safe to say anything with him. Right?

Matt: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. My dad rarely told me no. He would just—he would let me fail or he would let me figure it out.

Marcus: Interesting.

Matt: Very rarely—"Hey. You shouldn't drop out of school and do this company." You know? He wouldn't say no. He would let me figure it out.

Marcus: It's funny, Matt, you say that because—see, you don't know us too well, but the joke is Steven has four boys. He did an incredible job raising them. Even though he didn't have the greatest dad, we share that. I mean, I have a good dad, but it's just like, you know, we're all not perfect dads, but we share that. And his kids became incredible men of God.

And with me, I'm learning through a lot of bumps and mistakes. I wasn't that great. And one of the things I that I wish I would have changed now—now that I look back—is not do the control thing. I was afraid that my son would turn out to be the guy I became before Jesus. And so I was so scared that I almost—it was almost a self-fulfilling prophecy, and he, for a minute, went down a bad road. And so letting him fail, letting—and he even told me that, "Dad, I wish you woulda let me fail more."

And that's a huge validation, I hope, for a lot of men out there that's trying to raise sons, because that's our passion here, you know, with Save the Boys, is letting them fail, not taking on so much control. Now you wanna give them boundaries. Right, Steven?

Steven: Yeah. But you don't wanna also be—you never let them be in danger of hurting themselves or hurting somebody, of course. But they've got to sort of walk out their path sometimes and realize that it's gonna have consequences and negative ones. And if you can tell them that, like you're saying, Marcus, you can just say, "Don't do that or else this will happen." But when they're very young, maybe you do some of that. But as they get older, you have to begin to let them experience it so they learn it. And then they own it at that point.

Marcus: Now I want to tell you, we're running out of time here. I could probably have you on probably three or four more times, but I wanted to ask you, like, if you were to sum this up, what is the most important thing your father you think delivered, like, that rises to the top in your life?

Matt: Leading by example. I mean, 100 percent leading by example. Don't do as I say, do as I do. Right? He led by example. And this is in my family, there is literally a sign at my parents' house that says "It's all about football." And football is the main—you know, it's God, family, football. Right?

So in my family, my dad was John Elway's quarterback coach in high school. And he was a quarterback. You know, my brother played quarterback. He played wide receiver at Boise State, got a full ride. Football is a huge thing in the Potter household. Now I was not good at football. I was okay at best. I probably was pretty good at stirring the Gatorade. How about that?

Marcus: Everybody has a role. Right?

Matt: That's right. That's right. It's okay. It's okay.

So my dad for 10 years missed Monday Night Football to take my brother and I to Bible study. And he did the Bible study with the men's group, and we would go in the kids group on Monday nights. And for me, seeing—I know how much my dad loves football. He coached my brother. He could probably coach a pro team in my mind. You know?

But for him to miss Monday Night Football and go and lead by example and put God first, that left a big impact on my life. And it was a way for me and my brother to spend time with my dad. We would go to the same restaurant every Monday night after. I would go to Jack in the Box. We'd get milkshakes. We'd talk about life and our Bible study and what happened in Bible study, and then we'd go home. So the main thing would be leading by example, and that still impacts me today.

Marcus: More is caught than taught. Right?

Matt: That's right. Yeah.

Marcus: So we're gonna—by the way, Matt, incredible. I'm sure your story runs so deep. Are you gonna ever write about something like this? Have you written about your father's story?

Matt: I have not. I have not. But I think it's definitely something I should do, just to honor my family, my dad, and all the great work that we're doing at PRAY.COM as well. So I probably will in the future, but I haven't got the time yet to be able to sit and write it down.

Marcus: Well, maybe your son—your future, if you do have a son one day, because you're not a father yet. Right?

Matt: Correct? No. We just got married.

Marcus: That's right. You just got married. We're working on it.

Matt: Hey. Hey. No pressure. We wanna move quick, though, too. So we're—you know, my wife's 39, and I'm gonna be 38 soon. So we're really—

Marcus: No rush, bro.

Matt: Trying to do it fast. Yeah.

Marcus: Well, maybe one day, what Steven—what was so impressive about for me, Steven, is his sons said, "Dad, you're so good at this dad thing. Maybe you should write a book." So maybe your son will do the same. You know?

But, so I just wanna plug PRAY.COM for a minute. Like, you know, as you know, what we do is we love sharing the world's best resources for men. That's what Father Magazine, the Father podcast is all about. For PRAY.COM, what are you doing over at PRAY.COM that's helping men? And is there—if you could just share for a moment, like, where are some resources that we can point our listeners to, but then maybe we can learn more about it.

Matt: Yeah. Real quick. So as you're listening and you're gonna go Google and go to PRAY.COM and go to the App Store, I would just stop you, just for listening. I wanna make sure you can get all the resources at that PRAY.COM has to offer for free. So if you go to PRAY.COM forward slash Matt, M-A-T-T, just for listening today to the fatherhood podcast. You can get the entire app for free for over a year of free resources.

And then what resources do we have? You know, we are the first clinically studied Christian app. And so we've done three clinical trials to prove the efficacy of digital prayer and prayer in your life, on your physical body and your mind, for mental and spiritual health.

And for men, and I'm not gonna speak for all men, but for myself, we internalize things a lot. Right? I internalize things a lot. And it's hard to talk to other people about those things. And so in the app, we have a tremendous amount of resources for anxiety, depression, sleeplessness, hopelessness that men are facing, and we like to kinda try to solve things on our own. Right?

And so for me, the app has helped out in that way, and we see men all the time writing in. One that comes to mind, I've talked about this before, is a police officer in Ohio who was on his way home from his shift to kill himself. He had a service pistol. He was gonna commit suicide. And suicide is affecting men disproportionately, young men disproportionately right now.

And he—in that moment, this wasn't us. It was God. A friend of his texted him the PRAY.COM app, and he downloaded it. And he chose life, and that was God who made that happen in that moment. You know, that is the power of prayer. That's the power of God. And we've got these tremendous resources for people inside the app that you can utilize. It's all audio content, so it's great. You can listen while you're driving. You can listen while you're working out or doing chores.

Marcus: Well, Matt, I just wanna thank you so much for sharing your father's story. I wanna thank you so much for telling us why your dad was your hero and what characters he brought to the table to make you feel that way. So and thank you so much for that offer with PRAY.COM. So I hope listeners you enjoy that. Matt, is there anything else you wanna tell us before we call it a wrap?

Matt: No. No. I would just say that—you know what? Pray often. If you're worried about being a dad, I am. I haven't done it yet, and I'm worried. But I just I pray every day for God to give me the wisdom and knowledge to raise incredible godly men and women. And, yeah. So I would just say pray often. It's huge.

Marcus: Well, thank you, Matt, for spending time with us. Thank you so much for just sharing just your story, and can't wait to have you back on maybe going a little bit deeper.

Matt: Yeah. Anytime.

Marcus: Alright. Thank you.

Steven: Matt, great to meet you, Matt. I sure enjoyed visiting with you and really cheering for you.

Matt: Great to meet you too, Steven. Thank you.