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Today on Washington Watch, Tony Perkins and guests discuss NYC Mayor Mamdani’s threat to arrest PM Netanyahu, Maine’s new Senate candidate, Iran’s attack on U.S. Military Bases, the U.S. annual deficit that is expected to hit $1.4 trillion, a preview of the full agenda for the U.S. House, and growing concerns with the Chinese Communist Party.
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Today on Washington Watch, Tony Perkins and guests discuss NYC Mayor Mamdani’s threat to arrest PM Netanyahu, Maine’s new Senate candidate, Iran’s attack on U.S. Military Bases, the U.S. annual deficit that is expected to hit $1.4 trillion, a preview of the full agenda for the U.S. House, and growing concerns with the Chinese Communist Party. ...more Show the full description Show less Today on Washington Watch, Tony Perkins and guests discuss NYC Mayor Mamdani’s threat to arrest PM Netanyahu, Maine’s new Senate candidate, Iran’s attack on U.S. Military Bases, the U.S. annual deficit that is expected to hit $1.4 trillion, a preview of the full agenda for the U.S. House, and growing concerns with the Chinese Communist Party.
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In this video 0:00 Top Headlines: Iran Conflict and Global Updates7:33 Deep Dive: Iran War Strategy and Regime Weakness23:24 Budget Crisis: Deficits and Family Burden29:24 Congress Agenda: Reconciliation and CR Battles45:00 Senate Outlook: Fiscal Reform and Deep State
Top Headlines: Iran Conflict and Global Updates 0:00 Hello. I'm Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council and host of Washington Watch. Thanks for tuning in. Every day, we offer a biblical perspective on the news as well as insightful interviews with elected0:12 leaders, newsmakers, and culture experts. We have a great program planned for you today, but 1st, get up to speed on the top headlines with Washington Stan's news brief.0:27 Welcome to the Washington Stan news brief. I'm Casey Harper bringing you you today's big stories. President Donald Trump is promising heavier and more destructive strikes against Iran after 2 US service members were0:38 killed in Jordan over the weekend. Private Isabella Gonzalez, who was 19, of Texas, and 1st lieutenant James Fehan, 25, of Hawaii were killed by an Iranian attack on a on an0:50 airbase in Jordan. US Central Command said 0.333 US service member was also missing in action. This latest announcement brought the number of US service members killed since the war began to 16,1:02 with more than 420 who have been wounded. President Trump responded on true social saying every time Iran kills an American soldier, they will pay for that killing many times over. This directive has been1:14 passed on to secretary of Warby Hegseth, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff Daniel Cain, and every leader in the military. Meanwhile, Iran's Iran's supreme leader vowed that Washington would pay for, quote, seeking to
1:26 escalate the conflict. At the same time, US secretary of state Marco Rubio departed on Sunday for the Philippines to join various meetings with Asia Pacific countries. But on the way out, he talked to reporters
1:38 about Iran.
1:39 What I will say is that the United States always remains open to a diplomatic solution. We've tried multiple times with Iran, and we'll continue to try. If that if that door opens, we'll be happy to see it open. But
1:50 right and and and they continue to send signals that they wanna talk, that they they wanna negotiate, but their behavior is what we're responding to. And their behavior is they're they're launching missiles and drones
2:00 against ships, including tonight.
2:02 1 thing complicating negotiations with Iran may be disagreements within the country itself. Rubio said that economic and military pressure is dividing the nation's leadership.
2:12 Well, look, I also think it's pretty growingly apparent growing apparent that even within their own system, there's a growing split. I think maybe some of your allies have documented this. Between those that understand
2:22 that their economy is in shambles and they need to do something, or they're gonna be in a lot of trouble very soon, economically, domestically, and others who are very militant in their view of life and in their view of
2:33 the world and continue to launch missiles. So you'll have to work out that split internally. We're gonna continue to respond. If the door opens to diplomacy, if the guys that wanna do something productive for Iran win
2:45 and take control of that system or take control of the negotiations, that'll be a very positive development. That's not where we are tonight, unfortunately.
2:52 The US and Iran have intensified attacks since an interim ceasefire deal signed a month ago fell apart last week. An all out war seems around the corner, if it's not here already. In fact, the Iranian
3:04 president said on Monday that his country is engaged in a, quote, full scale war with the US. But in another war update, Ukraine unleashed 1 of its biggest drone strikes of the war
3:16 overnight on Sunday. Ukrainian drones struck 7 Russian vessels in the Black Sea and Sea of Azov. Now the commander of Ukraine's unmanned systems forces said on Telegram that the targets included 3
3:27 tankers and 4 dry cargo ships. That brings the total number of vessels struck in July alone to 183. Now before we go, 2 more stories and
3:39 both are some lighter news. Vice president JD Vance and his wife, Usha, welcomed their 4th child, a boy, into the world on Sunday. Vance said that the baby Alec Neil Vance was born on Sunday at
3:51 Walter Reed National Military Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland. Vance wrote in a post online, quote, Usha and the baby are happy and healthy, and our kids are overjoyed to meet their little brother. I
4:03 bet they are. And for our last story, the Spanish royal family welcomed the national soccer team on Monday after their World Cup victory in New York. The royal family received the players and coaching
4:15 staff at their palace in Madrid, and the king delivered a brief speech. Of course, he praised the team's achievement and thanked them for bringing the trophy home for Spain. Spain beat Argentina 1 to 0 in overtime on
4:27 Sunday. They'll meet the prime minister Pedro Sanchez before taking part in a parade to Cebiles Plaza with their mini fans. Well, that is today's news. I'm Casey Harper. You can find
4:38 more at the Washington stand. As for us, we're back next time with more stories that matter.
4:53 From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington DC, bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and sound bites into conversations with our nation's leaders and
5:05 newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts now.
5:11 The United States always remains open to a diplomatic solution. We tried multiple times with Iran, Iran, and we'll continue to try. If that hope if that door opens, we'll be happy to see it open. But Ryan and and they
5:22 continue to send signals that they wanna talk, that they would they wanna negotiate, but their behavior is what we're responding to. And their behavior is they're they're launching missiles and drones against ships,
5:31 including tonight.
5:32 That was US secretary of state Marco Rubio speaking late last night about the conflict with Iran. Welcome to this Monday, July 20th edition of Washington Watch. I'm your host, Tony Perkins. Thanks for
5:44 tuning in. Well, coming up, the US and Iran continue to exchange strikes over the weekend with more US attacks today following the announced death of another American service member. We'll get the
5:56 latest from retired Brigadier General John Tigert, former assistant deputy undersecretary of the Air Force for International Affairs. The latest congressional budget office budget
6:07 review shows the federal deficit continuing to climb with many analysts now projecting it could top 2000000000000 dollars this fiscal year. We'll discuss that with economist
6:19 Joel Griffith. Plus, we'll discuss this week's busy congressional agenda here on Capitol Hill when we're joined by senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, who is expected to become the chairman of the senate budget
6:31 committee following the passing of our friend senator Lindsey Graham. All of that and more straight ahead. Well, let's begin with the
6:43 latest in the conflict in Iran. 3 US service members have now been killed in the conflict, 2 in an Iranian attack in Jordan, and another in Northern Iraq during the controlled
6:55 detonation of an Iranian drone. Joining me now to discuss this is Washington stand reporter Casey Harper. Alright, Casey. What can you tell us about these, 3 service members, and what's
7:07 the latest from the region?
7:08 Yeah, Tony. It's a tragic moment here. The Department of War released photos of private Isabella Gonzalez of Texas and 1st lieutenant Tyler James Fean of Hawaii, both young, who were killed in an enemy attack at a
7:20 US base in Jordan. Now that 3rd, soldier you mentioned, their name has not been released yet. But president Trump is responding on true social, and he's vowed that Iran's gonna pay the price for killing any
7:32 American soldier soldier, quote, many times over. On top of that, earlier today, secretary of state Marco Rubio, he was asked about the US's response to Iranian attacks. Here's a clip.
Deep Dive: Iran War Strategy and Regime Weakness
7:42 The only reason why the US is conducting strikes is against assets of Iran that are being used to attack global commercial shipping. Their Strait of Hormuz are international waterway, and they continue to launch
7:54 against ships in that international waterway. As long as Iran insists on controlling an international waterway, we we're gonna have to respond to that.
8:02 So it seems the ceasefire has been blown to pieces and, there's questions, you know, you hear from on the US side of whether we're in a full scale war or not, but the Iranians say they are. The Iranian president said
8:12 today that they are in a, quote, full scale war with the US. So they're they're clear on what's going on on their side. But, the US, they're sending more forces to the region, more fighter jets to the Middle East as
8:23 president Trump weighs the next steps here, Tony.
8:26 Alright, Casey. Let's go to New York where the the mayor, Zoran Mandani, says he is looking into whether or not he can arrest Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu if
8:38 he comes to New York. What what's this all about?
8:42 Well, mayor Mandani, always in the headlines. Now he's looking to arrest, as you said, Netanyahu when he he comes, in September for the UN General Assembly. Now it's worth noting, Mamdani actually promised on the
8:52 campaign trail to do this, to pursue arresting Netanyahu, calling him a war criminal. In fact, here's a clip of Mamdani on The New York Times, The Interview podcast, talking about that campaign promise.
9:03 I believe that prime minister Netanyahu belongs in The Hague. He's a war criminal who has been charged by the International Criminal Court. Whatever the law allows me to do in New York City, that's we will do, but we
9:15 won't be writing our own laws to that end. What does the law allow you to do? That's an active conversation with our legal department in seeing what the prospects are we have here in our municipality.
9:27 So quite the eyebrow raiser there. But in 20 24, the International Criminal Court that was referenced there, they did issue that arrest warrant for Netanyahu and actually other Israeli leaders, by the way, for the the
9:38 war response to the tragic and horrific October 7th attacks against Israelis. But it's worth noting, Tony, that both, Democrat and, Republican administrations have been very critical of the
9:50 ICC for for this warrant.
9:52 Alright. Let's shift to, some other news. Earlier today, Andy Burnham became Britain's 7th prime minister in a decade. Yeah. Oh, walk us through that 1.
10:02 Yeah. A lot of turmoil across the pond here. In a speech today, prime minister Burnham said he's gonna bring forward a new plan for Britain, a 10 year plan, which is kind of ambitious considering the track record you
10:13 just laid out. But he's he laid out a 10 year plan where he believes Britain wants to be. He also promised to offer some help with the cost of living and would roll out some some of those measures tomorrow. Now Ed
10:23 Miliband has been appointed as a new foreign minister by by prime minister Burnham, Tony. So we'll keep an eye on that.
10:30 Alright, Casey. Thanks for the update, on today's top stories.
10:33 Thanks, Tony. Alright.
10:35 I wanna turn back to the situation in the Middle East, the ongoing conflict with Iran. Joining us now to discuss this is retired Brigadier General John Tigert, former assistant
10:47 deputy undersecretary of the Air Force for International Affairs. He also previously served as our nation's senior defense official in Iraq in Iraq and served as the commander of Joint Base Andrews as
10:58 well as Edwards Air Force Base. Jerome Tigert, welcome back to Washington Watch. Always good to see you.
11:05 Tony, it's always great to be on with you.
11:07 So we continue to get mixed messages from Tehran. Earlier, secretary of state said that they're talking about they'd like to to negotiate, continue talking, but at the same time launching missile
11:19 missiles. Secretary of state Rubio seems to attribute that to internal disagreements within the Iranian regime. In fact, today, Iran's president said that Tehran is in a full
11:30 scale war with the United States. Of course, there's been exchanges over the past 10 days straight. So what do we call that?
11:40 Tony, I think it's pretty clear that this regime today is the same regime that's been in Tehran for the last 47 years. And their number 1 priority, they say it, death to America,
11:52 is to kill Americans. And sadly and tragically, some of that happened this weekend, but we've gotta use a language that they understand in Tehran, which is strength, capability, will, and
12:04 resolve, and return to major kinetic operations. The ceasefire period has been a disaster. Iran has been enticed by our weakness, and now is the time to return to a language they actually
12:16 understand.
12:16 Now let's talk a little bit about the the targets that have been struck by US forces in the last 10 days. It appears that there's been a little bit of a shift as they've gone after bridges and power,
12:29 plants infrastructure. Is that different than what we saw in the 1st stages of this conflict?
12:35 Tony, it is. And I think there's 2 primary purposes to the striking of bridges and logistics facilities in the area around the Strait of Hormuz. Number 1, it is isolating the Iranian
12:46 forces in that area so that it will be easier for us to impose our will and stop them from projecting power into the region and into the straight. And number 2, it gives the president the option of a
12:58 ground invasion in that area. It's preparation of the battlefield. And what that means is that because we're isolating their forces and cutting off supplies, it would make it easier and safer for us to undertake a ground
13:10 invasion of operationally significant areas. And I think what we've been doing in the targeting, especially in the last 4 or 5 nights, has been focused on some of those targets to give us some of those advantages.
13:21 So general, let me ask you that question since you mentioned the ground forces. You're an air force guy, pilot. You you understand combat from the air. Can a
13:33 conflict of this nature be won from the air solely?
13:38 Tony, I go back to day 1 in what you learn in something like Air War College, which is that in order to achieve strategic effects, you've got to use air power so that you map every target you
13:50 strike to achieving your strategic objectives. And I don't think during the 1st phase of active combat operations, as we did strike military targets, we didn't strike those targets that were at the heart of the
14:02 regime. What do they value most? What are the sources of strength? And I think the president has indicated several times now when he's talked about power plants and energy sites and bridges and transportation
14:14 facilities and logistics. He is on the verge of doing that type of activity, and that actually is properly mapped to the sources of power of the regime, can have a stark far greater
14:25 effect and potentially allow us to win this war by bending the will of our adversary towards our objectives, but only if we map targets to the strategic objectives.
14:37 But can we do this solely by the air? I mean, how many how many how many conflicts have been won historically simply by air power?
14:46 Tony, I know of 1, and it was 1 I was actively involved in 19 99 against the former Yugoslavia. It was a 78 day air war where we achieved strategic objectives by making sure our targeting was
14:58 aligned with those objectives. And I keep going back to the thing that they value most in the regime, which is financing that comes via CarG Island. And once we start to strike those
15:10 targets, it irreversibly and irreparably strangles the regime. In fact, they threatened us today that we must not strike Cargilland, which is a tell that it values to
15:21 them a lot. And I think that we can indeed win a war like we did in 19 99 by focusing on strategic targets and the use of air power appropriately.
15:30 And and so that weakens the regime because it cuts off their their financing, their money. They have that crushes the economy, weakens their ability to control a population that
15:42 is not in alignment with them. Correct?
15:45 It is correct. And there was actually another threat from the Iranian regime today against the Kurds getting involved. And that's another tell that they're afraid that if there is some sort of an
15:57 opposition force that can either be a catalyst for regime change or the nucleus around which we could see regime change supported by American air power, then that could threaten the regime.
16:09 And I think the more that we can do to undermine the regime and their sources of power and their sources of strength and the things they value most by striking targets like regime centers of gravity or
16:20 internal security hubs or some of those other targets I mentioned previously, then it cuts them off from their levels of support. It strangles their ability to persist and continue, and it ultimately
16:32 provides or sows the seeds for the possibility of regime change, which is ultimately our strategic objective that would be to our benefit and the benefit of all of humanity.
16:42 General Tanker, you mentioned the Kurds. Speak to that for just a moment. The Kurds' long time relationship with the US is we've worked in the Middle East. Where would they come from? What would they need from us?
16:53 Tony, there's about 40000000 Kurdish people in Syria, Turkey, Iraq, and Iran. I've worked directly with those in the northern part of Iraq when I was a senior defense official to Baghdad. I would
17:05 go up to Erbil, and they are a powerful, capable Western fighting force. And at least according to some pretty good intelligence, they were on the verge during the 6 weeks of active
17:17 combat operations of starting to attack against the regime in Iran and starting to build out from the Iraqi enclave of the Kurds into northwest Iran. And apparently,
17:29 a Turkish conversation with our president caused us to hold them back. But I have seen them in action, and they are massively capable, and we have armed them sufficiently. And if we provided them the
17:40 top cover of air power, then now those strikes that I mentioned previously, coupled with a real threat of a ground invasion, not by Americans, not by Israelis, but by the Kurds, if they trust us, would be sufficient to
17:50 the Kurds, if they trust us, would be sufficient to potentially create the wave of what we would need to see the regime flip. But I did provide a caveat there, which is important and that they have
18:02 been burned by US lack of support in the past. And I would be concerned if I were them that they would start and we wouldn't follow through on our commitments.
18:11 Yeah. I'm very concerned about that relationship that, the Trump administration has with Turkey because they do not like the the the Kurds that I I would be cautious if I were the Kurds.
18:23 But a good scenario that you've laid out. General Teckert, I wanna thank you for joining us. As always, appreciate your insights.
18:31 You got it. Thank you, Tony.
18:33 Alright. Coming up, the US budget deficit totaled, 1400000000000 in the 1st 9 months of the fiscal year 20 26. That exceeded budget projections. It
18:45 could climb to as much as 2000000000000 dollars for the year. What does this mean? We'll talk about it next.
18:54 1 nation under God, America's undeniable foundation of faith.
19:04 Before America was exceptional, America was prayerful. Just as Paul urged Timothy, 1st of all, that prayer, intercession, and thanks giving be made for all people,
19:16 our founding fathers understood deeply the command to be devoted to prayer. This great American experiment began as a mighty appeal to heaven, petitioning the lord
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19:41 answered and the colonies prevailed.
19:41 Yet in spite of victory, our founding countless challenges facing our young nation, John Adams
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20:18 declaring, it is the duty of nations as well as of men to confess their sins in humble sorrow and to recognize that those nations only are blessed whose god
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21:53 Hey. Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us on this Monday. The website, tony perkins dot com. Find out, lots more information there at the website. Also, a good
22:05 resource for you to have is the Stand Firm app. Put it on your smartphone, and it'll become smarter. That way, you'll have access to Washington Watch no matter where you go. You'll also have access to our news and
22:17 commentary from a biblical perspective, the Washington stand, and my daily devotional, stand on the word. So go to the App Store and download it today. According to the latest monthly budget
22:28 review from the Congressional Budget Office, the bipartisan office that looks at the government spending. The federal budget deficit totaled 1400000000000 in
22:40 the 1st 9 months of the fiscal year 20 26. Now this this exceeded the original projections. Now according to some analysts, this puts the US on pace
22:52 to exceed a 2000000000000 dollar annual deficit. Now this is not the debt. The debt's upwards of 40000000000000. This is just this year. What does this
23:05 mean? What is this sustainable? What kind of drag will this have on the economy? How will it impact you? Joining us now to discuss this is economist Joe Griffith, the senior fellow at
23:16 Advancing American Freedom with an emphasis in fiscal regulations. Joe, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
Budget Crisis: Deficits and Family Burden
23:24 I really appreciate you having me tonight.
23:26 Alright. Can can you break down the numbers for us and and tell us what they mean?
23:32 Well, these numbers are staggering. And when we start talking about hundreds of billions and trillions of dollars, it's sometimes hard to get our arms around that. So I prefer to break this down to the per family
23:44 cost. We're talking about the possibility of 2000000000000 dollars in borrowed money for the federal government this year. That means for each and every family, that's another 20000 dollars to your
23:55 family share of that national debt. And as you referenced a 2nd ago, the interest payments on this debt are staggering as well. We we will likely be paying about 1200000000000 dollars
24:07 in interest payments on the debt this year. That's around 15000 dollars per family of 4. And, of course, we know that only about 0.5 of American families
24:19 currently today are paying income tax. But even if you're in a lower income tax rate or even if you're seeing a refund that exceeds what you paid
24:31 in taxes, you're paying federal government borrows capital to run their daily operations. They're competing with consumers and businesses for loans. And there are a number of estimates that suggest
24:43 that interest rates today are close to 1 percent higher than they would be were the government not borrowing those copious amounts of money. So think about what that extra interest rate costs
24:55 you when you're looking to buy a house or to purchase a vehicle. That can add up to hundreds of dollars of extra per month in interest cost that you're having to pay because interest rates are higher than they
25:06 otherwise would have been because the government is competing with you to obtain capital capital to run your life.
25:14 Now doesn't it also become kind of a vicious cycle? Because as the government borrows more money and if those interest rates go up, every time they go up, every time they go up, they have to pay more interest on the
25:25 debt. I mean, as you mentioned, 1200000000000 this year in interest alone, that exceeds what we have paid for in our military this year. And every time interest rates go up, the federal
25:37 government's gotta pay more in interest, which makes it harder for the the average family.
25:43 You're very right. And part of the problem with the longer term estimates that we saw just a few years ago when we also were running large deficits is that the Congress
25:56 and even the White House advisers, and this goes for Republican and Democrat administrations, were projecting long term interest rates and government debt being much lower where the where they're already at
26:07 today. So if you've got in your personal budget, if you owe 100000 dollars and you're estimating, you're just going to pay a 2.5 or 3 percent interest rate going forward, It might make it appear as if you can shoulder
26:19 that burden. But federal government operates in a very similar way to the family. When you take on a copious debt load and then interest rates end up being much higher than you projected, that debt
26:31 burden is much larger. It's exactly what we've seen happen today. We see rates on the 10, 20, and 30 year government bonds much higher than anticipated. We're nearing 5 percent
26:43 on that long term government debt. So this notion of us just being able to refinance this nearly 40000000000000 dollar debt at a lower rate, it simply can't happen. The rates are higher today than where they were
26:55 a few years ago. In fact, they're higher today than they were 10 or 15 years ago. This isn't sustainable. And, Tony, 1 of the things I'm concerned with is we saw a lot of pundits on the left and right that were talking
27:06 about Doge. We saw those on the left that were criticizing it, and we saw those on the right that were cheering it. And look, I'm in favor of Doge. But the bottom
27:26 difficult choices are the ones that The difficult choices are the ones that politicians or the Democrat Republicans are trying to kick down the road on entitlements, on other types of spending. Those concerns have to be
27:37 addressed. We can't just cut out waste, fraud, and abuse. That is not sufficient to get our fiscal house in order. Far more politically difficult decisions must be made, and the longer we delay
27:49 it, the more pain that we are going to face several years from now.
27:54 And, Joel, you you mentioned that, you know, waste, fraud, and abuse, big chunk, but it's not gonna it's not gonna solve this problem. I would also put forward that we can't raise taxes high enough to solve this
28:05 problem. This is at its heart a spending problem.
28:10 You're right. Even if we were to raise taxes on the so called wealthy, even if we were to put in place a 100 percent wealth tax, which would be, of course, immoral, unconstitutional, and it's
28:22 not going to happen. Even if you were to do that, this would not resolve this rampant spending problem and the deficit and the fiscal crisis down the road. The way out of this is to allow our
28:34 economy to grow, number 1, and we've made some positive changes the last year and 0.5 with regulatory reform and with the tax, and with the 1 big beautiful bill on the tax side. But at the same time,
28:46 we're seeing government under this administration just as it was during the Biden administration becoming more involved in the private sector, in this administration, partially nationalizing companies and, of course, the
28:57 tariffs that are impeding businesses and adding a financial difficulty to families. We need to get government out of the way in the regulatory front, diminish spending, and actually pursue even more
29:09 pro growth tax reform, meaning tax cuts to allow us to grow our way out of this.
29:14 Right. And and and much smaller government. Joel Griffith, I wanna thank you for joining us. Appreciate your, your insights on this.
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