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The Role of Social Emotional Learning in Education 0:06 Good afternoon. I'm Victoria Marshall, and welcome to a special edition of the Washington Watch news desk. For today's episode, I'm interviewing Meg Kilgannon, a senior fellow for education0:17 studies at Family Research Council. Meg is joining me to discuss the latest trends in education. Meg, thanks so much for coming on the show today.0:27 It's my pleasure.0:28 So before the show, Meg and I were discussing a troubling trend in education. It's called social emotional learning. Meg, can you tell us what that is and how it has become a part of mainstream education0:40 curriculum in our nation's schools?0:43 Social emotional learning has taken the place of what we used to call character education in schools, because saying something like do unto others as you would have them do unto0:55 you is far too religious in today's environment. We've created a program called social emotional learning, that is designed to help children become good citizens,1:07 behave nicely toward others, things that we as Christians inculcate or try to inculcate in our children as early as possible. Social emotional learning1:19 is the, the name that that this kind of education has been given. And sadly, because of the crisis in the family today, more and more schools find it necessary1:31 to teach children things that parents actually are failing to teach them at home, because the the family in America is in crisis for so many reasons.1:43 Okay. That makes a lot of sense. So is it a good thing then, or is it a trampoline trend in education?1:49 Well, if we were basing these lessons on common sense values and, understanding that if, as a society, if parents2:01 are having trouble educating their children in these ways, it would be a good thing for schools to teach children good manners and how to relate nicely to others. That would be 1 thing. But in2:13 fact, this has become a way of having a sort of a therapeutic and pedagogical approach to what are essentially moral questions,2:25 of right and wrong and how we treat others. Right? This is this is the the very first sin is that we don't treat others as well as we should. Right? The the the the Adam2:37 and Eve, in the garden, right, was the fall of man, but then, you know, you have the killing after that among the of the brother of brother against brother. And this is2:48 a constant struggle of of humanity is that we don't treat each other as we should. So, when you remove all of that from a religious context and a moral context and you try to put onto3:00 it just life lessons and platitudes, it starts to become a vector for other religious ideas actually. 1 of which is mindfulness, which is based on, principles of yoga,3:13 which, has its roots in Hinduism and Buddhism. It's a religion of its own, but because it isn't commonly understood in the United States as a religion, people3:24 feel more comfortable allowing this to be used in classrooms. This is just you know, a dangerous road to go down. It's going to have consequences that we don't intend. And it's not going to do the job that3:36 we want it to do because at the root of this really is an issue of of love and of a lack of parenting. Children should be coming to school with these skills.3:48 Right? They should be coming to school with the ability to relate to other children. But sadly, they're not being sent to school that way.3:56 Thank you for that. Well, how should parents and educators approach social emotional learning then? Should they push to get rid of it or reform it? Like, what's the solution?4:05 Well, that's a very complicated question. And so often, states have mandated social emotional learning as part of their curriculum. So it's not something we're going to be able to easily root out, but it would be4:15 wonderful if Christians would offer a social education, social emotional learning concepts and packages for schools to use that are rooted in these principles so that we can have4:27 some authentic learning.4:29 Okay. Thank you so much for your time and for joining me, Meg. I appreciate it. And that's all today for this News Desk special segment. I'm Victoria Marshall. Up next is Washington Watch with4:40 Tony Perkins. We'll see you next time with more news.Reflecting on Political Shifts and Christian Engagement 4:52 From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington DC, bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and sound bites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers,5:05 all from a biblical worldview. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Joseph Backholm.5:12 Good afternoon, and welcome to this special edition of Washington Watch. I'm Joseph Backholm, senior fellow for biblical worldview and strategic engagement at the Family Research Council. With Christmas upon us5:24 and New Year just around the corner, on behalf of Tony Perkins and the entire team, the Family Research Council, thank you for your enduring partnership. We remain grateful for your prayers for spreading5:36 the word about Washington Watch, FRC, and our efforts here in Washington, DC and around the country. Well, today, I'm pleased to introduce you to a unique program that5:47 reflects on the past year. Well, really quite a few years leading up to the present and then looks to what God may have in store for us as we head into 20 25. Today's5:59 episode pulls excerpts from another production at the Family Research Council called Outstanding. Outstanding is the featured podcast of FRC's news publication, The Washington Stand, and is6:11 hosted twice a week by yours truly. You can listen to the podcast in its entirety by going to tony perkins dot com and clicking on the link in the show notes or by subscribing to the outstanding6:22 podcast where podcasts are found. In this edition, I was joined by FRC's president and host of Washington Watch, Tony Perkins. And today, we reflected on the events6:34 over many years leading us into 20 25. Woven throughout this discussion, we explored how God has been at work and how Christians might navigate some very interesting6:46 waters. And before we dive into this, with Christmas just around the corner, join Family Research Council in shining the light of biblical truth in Washington, DC. Thanks to our 1 and a6:58 half million dollar challenge match provided by generous friends of FRC, every dollar you give will be doubled until December 30 first. Your support will enable us to protect our7:10 shared biblical values in the coming year. To take advantage of this limited time opportunity, text the word light to 6 7 7 4 2 and shine the light of truth with7:22 FRC this Christmas. Together, we can make an eternal impact for years to come. And now, here's FRC's very own Tony Perkins as he joined me on7:34 the outstanding podcast. Welcome to outstanding where we have critical conversations about the news of the day and the ideas that shape us. Once again, I'm your host, Joseph Backholm, inviting you to another7:45 exercise in taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ. We're at the time of the year where it's very common to reflect on the year that has been and look forward to the year that will be. But7:57 this isn't just the end of the year and the start of a new 1. It's the beginning of a new administration. And it seems like in many ways that it could be the beginning of a new era for our8:09 country. Is this an inflection point? And if so, what are we inflecting to? That's gonna be part of our conversation today. And joining me for it is someone you're all very familiar with, Tony Perkins, the8:20 president of the Family Research Council. Tony, welcome to Outstanding.8:24 Well, Joseph, it's been a year, but I'm I'm I'm glad I finally got an invitation to be on outstanding.8:30 We we are glad that you have finally accepted our invitation to be on outstanding, and and there's a lot to cover here. And I think as we kinda look back, look forward. Sounds like8:40 it sounds like Charles Dickens' Christmas Carol.8:42 No. That's true. That's right.8:44 The years past, the years forward, Christmas is past, Christmas is in the future.8:48 That's exactly right. What's your mood right now for where we're at as a country?8:55 Optimistic from a standpoint of, I think, November the fifth has given us an opportunity. I said going into the election, I hold to this position. The election could have destroyed the country. Wasn't gonna save it, but9:05 it could destroy it. We sidestep destruction. But now the future, I believe, Joseph, is up to the church. And what we do at this moment, this reprieve that we've9:17 been given by God. I think November fifth was a couple of things. 1, it was a response and a result of prayer. A lot of prayer went into this election and participation, but9:29 it has extended to the church the opportunity to do the work that only we can do. And in the past, the church has often looked to the government to do its work, changing hearts and minds. The government can't do that.9:41 Only the church can. But I do believe 1 thing is good about this administration, and I have questions and I have reservations. This is not the Trump administration of 20 16. It's different. But they're gonna give, I9:53 believe, cover and protection to the church to be able to when I say church, I'm talking about Christian followers of Christ, to be able to walk out their faith, live out their faith without government harassment and10:04 interference.10:05 Yeah.10:05 And that's a good thing.10:06 Right. I think that is a way a lot of people saw this election because Trump, the candidate of 2016, is not Trump, the candidate of 20 24.10:16 No. And I don't think I don't think we should try to hide that or cover it up. It's just the reality of what it is. I've had conversations, you know, going into the election with the president, over the life issue. They10:28 weren't necessarily friendly conversations at times, although I, you know, I I prayed with the president and continue to pray for him every day. And and and so10:40 grateful for him. I am grateful for him that he has stepped into this arena and is willing to take the punches that he's taken. But here here's where I think we need to come in, Joseph,10:52 is the church, Christians, followers of Christ, we've been given a prophetic voice in, you know, Martin Luther King Junior and a sermon that he preached to Knock at Midnight. He11:03 said, the church is not the servant or the master of the state, but we're the conscience and the guide. And if we lose our prophetic voice, we're nothing more11:15 than a glorified social club. And so we need to speak prophetically so that, and when I say prophetically, I'm talking about speaking truth, biblical truth. Example,11:28 human life is sacred because it's created in the image of God, therefore worthy to be protected under our laws. That's what we need to speak to government so that11:40 they're successful. I want Donald Trump to be successful as president. I want Mike Johnson to be successful as speaker of the house. I want John Thune to be successful as the11:51 majority leader in the senate. And that goes all the way down to governors and state legislatures. And and the way we do that is we uphold the standard of truth. Yeah.12:02 You have been working with churches in a lot of election cycles now. How does 20 24 and the way the church responded in this12:14 election compare to 4008, 20 12? Is it kind of just watched?12:21 Well, George Barna actually crunched the numbers and looked at them, and and the turnout of evangelicals in this election was lower than it was in 20 20. Actually going back to to probably the numbers12:33 about 20 12 is what we're looking at, maybe 2008. And I can kind of explain that. I was having a conversation with a US senator this week about it, is12:45 look, the Bible describes us as sheep. Does it not? I mean, there's a reason. Yeah. It's kind of an insult. Well, it's it's an insult, but it's a reality that we follow. Yeah. People follow. Right.12:57 Used to Yeah. I mean, it used to drive me crazy. I I thought, well, you know, they're gonna lead. No. They'll lead. No. They don't that that's not what leaders lead13:09 and people follow. And so what happened in this election is that we continue to have a challenge of pastors, and not all, because I'm going to be very careful here because we've got some really,13:20 really good pastors that have stepped up, are totally engaged preaching the word of God, engaging their people to not pin their hope on government, but to13:33 serve in the kingdom of God which influences government. There's a big difference. Our hope is not in government. Our hope is not in this incoming administration, but our responsibility is to speak into it,13:44 and at least they will be listening to some degree. So when you don't have pastors that are preaching it and challenging people to get involved, and you can explain that13:56 from a standpoint of you had this time, President Trump did not embrace a strong position on life. Mhmm. This is where I had issues with the the campaign is when they basically stripped14:08 the Republican party platform from all of its meaning Mhmm. On life, marriage, family, these issues.14:15 Do you think that was just a campaign position where they clearly had made the bet that if we are not enthusiastically pro14:27 life, that will pull some of the middle to us that's concerned about abortion as an issue, and we wanna make sure that the Republican party platform cannot be leveraged against us as a presidential campaign. Was that the14:37 calculation?14:38 I I I think probably so. But as I the case I made to them as as they were contemplating that idea is is kind of what played out. Fortunately, and and and14:50 that was that the pro life vote, because I go back to the the the illustration of sheep, they're going the pastors are gonna follow what the leaders say, and the people will follow what the pastors say. And if they're15:02 not clearly articulating what they stand for on policy, there's gonna be silence. And so what happened is is Christians didn't turn out in large numbers. Now fortunately, the turnout was15:14 even worse on the Democratic side because they had gone so crazy that people were scared of them, and they insulted a lot of people. I mean, you're at Kamala Harris, first time15:25 ever, we had a presidential candidate whose top issue was aborting babies. And and she this was a really interesting number. She got a smaller percentage15:37 percentage of the female vote than Joe Biden got in 20 20.15:42 Yeah. That's crazy.15:43 It is. But it was these women were saying, look, we're more interested in feeding our family, not aborting them. And and I so I think it was a it was a repudiation of the Democratic Party and their platform. I15:55 wouldn't say, Joseph, that this was a wholehearted endorsement of the Republican. It was more of a repudiation of the left and how crazy they've become.16:06 Now I agree with that basic analysis, and I don't want to get your response to this because it seems to me that the left has gone really far left. And I think this whole, like,16:19 abortion at any time for any reason and the government has to pay for it. And I also think the trans stuff is like a bridge16:26 to the fall.16:26 That was huge. I mean, that was like an 80 percent. Right.16:29 And we saw the Trump campaign invest campaigns in that issue with that whole commercial that was running in all of the swing states, basically16:39 But but but let me okay. Go ahead.16:41 And it finished with, she's for they, them, he's for you. Right? That that slogan really seems to encapsulate a lot of things. And so the left has moved so far left. We're gonna, you know, we're gonna punish you16:53 and fire you if you don't use preferred pronouns. You must agree that men can have babies and all this abortion stuff. That seems to be a place that middle America does not want to go. In the meantime, Trump17:05 seems to have taken the Republican party and filled all that space in the middle that the left kind of evacuated. And, now he has a team, Trump himself,17:17 former Democrat, RFK Jr, former Democrat, Tulsi, former Democrat, Elon, who became a really big part of this campaign, former Democrat. Is the left becoming more17:29 conservative and therefore converting, or do we see the Republican party just basically becoming a moderate a moderate party, and so now all these people who used to be Democrats but aren't leftists now feel home there?17:40 I would say I think it's political expediency to to to bring folks like that. And I'm fine to grow the party, but you have to have a you have to have a you have to have a a foundation upon17:52 which to grow it.17:53 And that's yes.17:53 So so let me ask you this question. How how can the issue of transgendering our children be an issue that we'll take a stand on but not the right for18:05 the child to be born.18:07 That was FRC's Tony Perkins when he joined me on the outstanding podcast recently, and you're tuned into Washington Watch. When we return, Tony and I will dive18:19 deeper into this topic and answer the question of why some people who oppose the mutilation of children through transgender procedures have no problem killing children through abortion when18:31 they are inconvenient to the parents. We have much more to share on this special edition of Washington Watch, so don't go away.18:53 During these challenging times for our nation, Family Research Council continues to serve as a watchman on the wall for faith, family, and freedom. And together, thanks to your support, we're making an eternal19:05 impact. 20 24 has been another year of shining the light for biblical truth in Washington DC. This fall, over 1000 spiritually active, governance engaged conservatives gathered for19:17 the pray vote stand summit to pray for our nation and ensure that the issues impacting sage cons were understood and advanced. Washington Watch with Tony Perkins marked a major19:29 milestone this year, its 9 hundredth episode, and added the Washington Watch news desk, a new production that presents the top news each day from a biblical worldview. The Washington19:41 stand published 2000 articles of news, commentary, and podcasts in 20 24, garnering over 5000000 views. FRC's outlet for news and commentary19:53 continues to pursue the truth on the issues that matter most to you and your family. And with the launch of the Stand Firm app, you can listen to, watch, and read our content in 1 simple20:04 place. Pray for current issues,20:07 stay rooted in the scriptures,20:08 and engage the political sphere with a community of believers on our new platform. In 20 24, FRC shaped public policy and culture, organizing the National Gathering for20:20 Prayer and Repentance, where members of Congress and Christian leaders came together to seek God's intervention in America. In May, FRC called upon believers to pray for and20:32 stand with Israel by dedicating a portion of their worship services to pray for Israel's peace, prosperity, and protection. With pray vote stand decision 20 24, FRC and Real20:44 Life Network led a powerful evening of election night coverage to analyze the election results and pray that our nation would turn back to God. We also filmed a transformative educational course,20:55 God and Government. Launching in January 20 25, this series will explore the biblical and historical foundations of our government, empowering you to stand confidently in your role as a citizen of21:07 heaven and earth. Family Research Council thanks you for partnering with us for another year of standing for faith, family, and freedom.21:20 Looking to grow closer to God in the new year? FRC's stand on the word spiral bound journal is here to help. Dive deeper into scripture with thought provoking questions, note taking space, and context for21:31 each book and author. This second edition covering Isaiah 2 Revelation will guide you in tracking your journey through God's21:44 to21:56 Welcome back to Washington Watch. I'm your host, Joseph Backholm, FRC senior fellow for biblical worldview and strategic engagement. The website is tony perkins dot com. If you're just tuning in, today is a22:08 special edition highlighting an interview Tony had with me on our podcast outstanding. Just before the break, we finished analyzing a shift in the 2 political parties in our country and started to discuss the22:20 hazard of being guided by polls rather than moral conviction rooted in biblical truth. Let's hop back into this conversation I had with Family Research Council president Tony Perkins.22:30 So so let me ask you this question. How how can the issue of trans gendering our children be an issue that we'll take a stand on, but not the right for22:42 the child to be born?22:44 Well, it that's that's part of the incoherence of kind of, like, moderation. Right? And this seems to be a22:50 So what's the what's the what's the moral compass? How how do you arrive at what position you're going to take on an issue? Polling. Exactly.23:00 I mean, that's I think that's the real answer. Right?23:02 That is the real answer.23:02 That's the real answer. So I mean, that's23:04 So so so what happens when polling becomes your guiding light?23:10 You go wherever the polls tell you to go.23:12 And you become basically schizophrenic because the polling will change overnight. You know, we've seen this through scripture, how how, you know, 1 week, they're cheering Jesus, hosanna.23:25 Hosanna. And the next week, crucify him. Yeah. Crucify him.23:30 How How do you think it's gonna work for the next 4 years? Because the Republicans are in control of everything, but I don't even know what a Republican is necessarily these days because you have, you know, RFK Jr. I23:42 don't know if he considers himself to be a Republican, but he's in a Republican administration. You have Trump, and you have the Elons of the world, and then you have the Mike Johnsons and the Chip Roys and the23:54 Freedom Caucus folks who are all wearing the same jersey. How does that go for the next 4 years, Ethan?24:00 Well, I I think it has potential. Look, I'm I'm all about people coming into the party, but this is where the platform is important because the platform has a stated set of values and principles. And so and and you don't24:11 have to be a hundred percent. I mean, that's, you know so you're 80 percent, but, you know, you get the core things right. But see what we've done not what we. I should rephrase that. What the Republicans what the Trump24:22 campaign did is they gutted the party platform to where it's meaningless. It really doesn't say much of anything. Second Amendment is gone. Definition of family is gone. The plank for life is gone. Religious24:34 freedom is truncated. There's just very little there. Even the support for Israel is is all is just as we support Israel. Okay, what does that mean? That's the problem with24:46 kind of policy by the seat of your pants. You really need to drive some stakes on some issues. And so when people come in and say, Yeah, I can agree with that. Yeah, I'm for that. You you kinda know. But24:58 we're at a point where we have people coming in to the party or into this administration that there's really no stated values other than make America great again.25:10 And so where are they coming from? What's your how do you go about making America great again? We recognize that for for America to be great, it must first be good. There must be a moral foundation.25:22 That's where life, family, human sexuality, all those issues come in.25:26 Yeah. Well, Trump's kind of gut seems to be the compass now for the Republican party, and and we saw I mean, Laura Trump was the head of the you know, obviously25:38 a family member, was running the GOP, no longer is, which raises a question for me. Does the GOP in a post Trump world return to kind of the historical norm of we25:50 have a party that's not created for 1 campaign. We have a platform that's not created for 1 campaign, but it's actually a represent a representation of the grassroots and what we believe. Do you think those26:02 days will return?26:04 There's a lot of conversations about that, even now that are already taking place because president Trump is 4 years. That's it.26:11 Yeah.26:11 And and so there will be a a a campaign in 4 years for for president. Now many people say, well, it'd be JD Vance. Well, that's not a given. I mean, there may be there there there may be26:23 competition.26:23 There should be, hopefully. Yeah. There will be an actual race.26:26 And I think there's again, a conversation's already taking place that the party has to go back to where it was, where the the the party, the people, their elected representatives, and that's how that party platform's put26:38 together. I was I've been on 4 or 5 party platforms elected by my, constituents in my home state of Louisiana, and that's done across the country. So I think there's a26:49 desire to go back to allow the people of the party to actually construct the platform and what the a27:06 a a very unique individual, larger than life in many ways, and has left a profound impact on not just the Republican party, but on the on the nation and the movement.27:19 And I admire his fighting spirit. There's a lot that I do admire about about him. But I think for the for for the Republican party to27:31 sustain itself and to continue into the future, it has to have an identity that is not attached to an individual, but it has a stated set of enduring principles.27:43 Yeah. We've covered a lot of ground here on where we're at right now, but you have a unique kind of perspective on where we're at right now because of your history with President Trump, with theShow more In this video 0:06 The Role of Social Emotional Learning in Education4:52 Reflecting on Political Shifts and Christian Engagement27:44 The Evolution of Trump's Political Strategy38:48 The Church's Role in Shaping the FutureBible Reading: Hosea 1-3 Tony Perkins Nov 14
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