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Global and Domestic Challenges: A Biblical Perspective 0:05 Welcome. You're watching the Washington Watch News Desk. I'm Casey Harper bringing you today's big stories. President Donald Trump has issued an ultimatum to Hamas. Accept the 20 point peace plan by 6 PM0:17 on Sunday or face the consequences. President Trump released a deal this week after meeting with Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and getting sign off from Arab leaders. The only question mark was, would0:29 Hamas agree? So far, we don't know. The deal is complicated but it would end the war, have all the hostages returned both dead and alive, input control of Gaza out of the hands of Hamas0:41 and under the power of an international board. Notably, under the plan, Hamas fighters would be granted amnesty. Trump made the Sunday deadline public this morning in a true social post. In0:53 that post, he called Hamas a, quote, ruthless and violent threat and suggested Israel was poised to finish Hamas off in Gaza City, but that the only thing holding them back was president Trump.1:05 Trump called this offer, quote, 1 last chance for the terror group that began this war on October seventh of 20 23. Meanwhile, in the US, the federal government remains shut1:16 down after senate senate Democrats voted again today against the Republican measure to reopen it. We're currently on day 3 of the shutdown and the Senate is expected to leave for the weekend. That means1:28 there will likely be low no progress until Monday at the very least. Senate Democrats have repeatedly refused to vote for a clean continuing resolution to keep the government open through mid
1:40 November so that a longer term funding measure can be worked out. Those Democrats are demanding hundreds of billions of dollars in Obamacare subsidies that would include funding for health care for illegal
1:52 immigrants. In a press conference this morning, house speaker Mike Johnson said that senate minority leader Chuck Schumer is being held hostage by the left wing of his base.
2:02 What we're asking the the Democrats to do, I'll close as we begin. Please open the government so we can do that work so that all the members of both chambers can be here to do the work, to
2:13 legislate, and to deliberate. They've stopped our ability to do that with these political antics, and we hope it ends.
2:20 Of course, Democrats claim this is all Republicans' fault.
2:24 Republicans have shut the government down because they don't want to provide health care to working class Americans. House Democrats
2:35 continue to be here on duty. House Republicans are on vacation. We are ready. We are willing. We are able to sit down with anyone, anytime, any place, including the president
2:47 and the vice president to try to find a path forward to reopen the government, enact a spending agreement that actually meets the needs of the American people while at the same time addressing the
2:59 Republican health care crisis.
3:02 Well, as long as the government remains shut down, hundreds of thousands of federal workers are furloughed. Some essential services from the post office to border patrol agents and, of course, members of the military are
3:14 working without pay. They are expected to get back pay once the government reopens, something that right now appears out of reach. Things could change though if a handful of Democrats buck party leadership and
3:26 vote with Republicans. So far, that hasn't happened. And for our last story, chaos has erupted again in Portland as anti ICE protesters clash with law enforcement. President
3:38 Trump has deployed federal law enforcement to Portland to reign in crime and protests. Antifa, recently called a domestic terror group by the president, has been active in Portland for years. This standoff may
3:50 be the first real test of that terror designation for Antifa, which is known for vandalism, violence, and more in American cities, Portland foremost among them. These clashes are also
4:02 happening in Chicago, where president Trump deployed federal law enforcement to deal with the sky high homicide rate as well as beef up deportations there. The next city may be New Orleans. The
4:14 Louisiana governor has requested National Guard to his state amid rising crime rates. And those are today's stories. I'm Casey Harper. You can dive deeper with the Washington Stand at washington stand
4:26 dot com. Better yet, download the Stanford mobile app where you can watch this and other news. Up next is Washington Watch with guest host Jody Heiss and we are back on Monday with more stories
4:48 that matter.
4:50 From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington DC, bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and sound bites into conversations with our nation's leaders and
5:02 newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Jody Heiss.
5:08 They have taken hostage the federal government and by extension the American people who are the only losers in this. Everybody's talking about who wins and who loses and who gets the blame. That's not what this is about.
5:20 This is about what's doing in the best interest of the American people.
5:25 That was senate majority leader John Thune earlier today accusing Democrats of prolonging the government shutdown as it now enters its third day. Welcome to this October third
5:36 edition of Washington Watch. I am your Friday host Jody Heiss. Thank you so much for tuning in today. All right. Coming up, earlier today, President Trump gave Hamas
5:48 a Sunday deadline to reach a deal for ceasefire and to release all of the remaining hostages. And, well, it appears that Hamas has responded to that
6:00 deadline. We'll discuss this in just a bit with Washington watch reporter Casey Harper, and then we'll dive more into it a little bit later in the program when I'm joined by doctor AJ Nolte of Regent
6:12 University. And then there's some more breaking news today, 1 that's been a long, long time in the coming. The FBI is cutting ties with the Southern Poverty Law Center
6:24 and Tyler O'Neil from the Daily Signal will join me later to dive deeper into what led to that breaking news.
6:42 Abortion drug, and a whole lot more. So we've got a lot coming your way on this upcoming edition of Washington Watch.
6:58 First, we start with some big, big news coming out of the Middle East where Hamas terror groups has reportedly responded to president Trump's 20 point peace plan. And
7:10 joining me now is Washington stand reporter Casey Harper who's been following this as well as other stories. Casey, what are the headlines telling us right now?
7:19 Well, that's right, Jody. This is a big development. The day started off with a clear message from president Trump sent on truce social. He gave Hamas a firm deadline. Accept this 20 point peace plan by Sunday evening,
7:30 or you're gonna face some unprecedented consequences. Now Trump's peace plan, it includes an immediate ceasefire, full hostage release, importantly, the disarming of Hamas, and a transitional government. Well,
7:42 breaking news, Hamas has now responded. In a rare shift, the group says they are open to a prisoner exchange and even handing over Gaza's administration to a nonpartisan Palestinian authority with backing from
7:54 Arab leaders. Now Hamas appears to support a ceasefire and Israeli withdrawal, of course, but it continues to reject some long term accountability, and they are insisting on broader issues that be handled through
8:05 internal Palestinian channels. So critics say that this is actually just a tactical move to buy time rather than a genuine step forward for peace, but, you know, details are still coming out in this major development,
8:17 Jody.
8:19 Wow. Really is big, big news, and we'll certainly be unpacking this more as the program unfolds. In fact, doctor AJ Nolte of Regent University will be joining me. But Casey, let me let me turn now
8:31 to some more domestic news. Specifically, the government shutdown, which I mentioned a while ago is now in its third day and it appears that lawmakers at a total standstill, the Democrats pushing
8:43 for more expansion expansion of Obamacare subsidies, and the Republicans digging their heels in saying, no. We're not going there. So what's the latest on the government shutdown?
8:54 Yeah, Jody. Well, Republicans are saying enough is enough. And senate majority leader John Thune, who you played at the top of the show, he said today at a press conference that Democrats are effectively holding funding
9:03 hostage with their 1500000000000.0 dollar spending demand.
9:07 Their partisan proposal demands more money think about this. More money than our entire defense budget just to keep the government open for 4
9:19 weeks. That's not a credible proposal. It's a far left wish list.
9:27 Well, meanwhile, president Trump, he's taken a hard line on spending, Jody. He's already frozen funds to democrat projects in blue states, and he's pushing to streamline the federal workforce. Essential services are
9:38 still running, but the shutdown will leave about 2000000 federal workers without pay. Now 2 senate votes failed today, which all be guarantees that, through this weekend, we're not gonna reach a deal, Jody.
9:50 Wow. So it continues. Let me let me ask you this. More domestic news. We've all been watching a lot, Casey, on the the attacks taking place on various ICE facilities,
10:02 I think, in Chicago and Portland. What are you hearing on, those those issues? What's happening with ICE?
10:10 Yeah, Jody. Tensions are ratcheting up. So protests outside of Chicago ICE facility, they turned violent earlier today, and there was actually at least 12 arrests. Now this is the fifth consecutive week of demonstrations
10:21 just like this 1. In Portland, federal officials are reporting over 100 nights of attacks on their ICE building in the city, and those attacks are getting worse. That includes bottle rockets, shattered windows, and
10:32 threats against staff. And the local police aren't doing very much about it because of the obvious politics involved. Now the ICE director, understandably, he's calling the situation frustrating as the violence and the
10:43 harassment continue to rise.
10:47 Wow. So much going on. Let me let me give you 1 more, Casey. Hearing a lot about what's happening in China. The recent report coming out saying that China is literally making billions and billions
10:59 by forcing ethnic minorities in the labor camps and a host of other, trafficking type scenarios. What are what are the, headlines telling us about this right now?
11:11 Yeah. Sure. So the state department, they released their 20 25 report, and it names China among the worst human rights abusers, putting them right up there with Iran, Russia, and North Korea. So China, they're driving a
11:22 brutal state run system. They target the Uighurs and other minorities, and they put them into forced labor and mass detention. So the Chinese Communist Party, they're profiting off this though to the tune of billions of
11:34 dollars by forcing these minorities into labor camps, and they're calling it, you know, a poverty alleviation plan. But these abuses, Jody, are tied directly to global supply chains, which is raising the question,
11:45 are US companies benefiting from the Chinese Communist Party's cruelty? And that's why the Trump administration is cracking down on this. They're expanding the sectors of the economy that are prevented from using this
11:57 Uighur forced labor under the Uighur forced labor prevention act.
12:01 Wow. Really, really a disturbing story in every way. In fact, we'll be discussing more about that with, David Clawson a little bit later. Casey, thanks so much. Appreciate you giving
12:13 us the headlines in a nutshell.
12:15 Thanks, Jody.
12:17 Alright. I want us to turn now to the government shutdown and get the latest from a Capitol Hill perspective. And joining me now is congressman Marlon Stutzman. He serves on the House Budget
12:29 Committee as well as the financial services. He represents the third congressional district of the great state of Indiana. Congressman Stutzman, welcome back to Washington Watch. Always great to have you.
12:40 Yeah. It's always great to see you. Thanks for having me on.
12:43 Well, listen. I do wanna get to the government shutdown, but I'm I'm sure you've heard by now, though, the latest is what's happening between Hamas and Israel. Wanted to know before we get to the shutdown
12:55 issue, if you have any reaction to what's happening in Israel right now.
12:59 Yeah. Well, you know, first of all, Hamas is a brutal regime that had killed, of course, thousands of Israelis and have held the Gaza people, captive, in the Gaza Strip for the last several
13:11 years. And I honestly believe that, you know, president Trump and prime minister Nadeau who put this proposal together, this is probably their only way out, unless they want to continue to fight
13:23 and the the end is not gonna be good for them. And so, I'm I'm glad that they are accepting this proposal. I think it's a win for, Israel and for the, you know, for the the people in
13:35 Gaza, and it's also a way out for Hamas. But, I tell you, you know, at the end of the day, Jody, we all know that this evil thinking that Hamas
13:47 carries about eliminating Israel and the Jews and of course death through America still exists. But we need to continue to fight, in wherever it's at. And, my hope is is
13:59 that Gaza can start now rebuilding and, and, you know, come into, the opportunity of of having a a legitimate government, a government that supports the people and also supports
14:11 the relationship, with Israel as well.
14:14 Yeah. Absolutely. And I agree. I think this is the only way out for them. Let's bring it back home if I can, congressman Stutzman. The government shutdown. There were more failed votes that took
14:26 place today. What does that tell you about where we're headed here?
14:31 Well, speaker Johnson just sent us all a text about an hour ago saying that, we're not planning on any votes again next week, until the senate passes the continuing resolution
14:43 that the house passed a couple of weeks ago already. And so, you know, this is against senate democrats holding up the the the American people and the government of the American people
14:55 for their leftist agenda. They wanna continue to fund health care to the illegals. They wanna continue, of course, to to double down on all the criminal policies that they've been supporting over the past several years.
15:07 It makes no sense, Jody. I don't understand the Democrat party yet today. This is not the Democrat party anymore. And, so I think that, until the pressure is on Senate
15:19 Democrats, 3 3 senate Democrats, I believe so far have voted for the CR, the extension, which, they, of course, voted on last spring. This culture vote in the senate
15:31 is really the hurdle that is keeping good policy from passing in the senate. And I know, you know, we've talked about this before, but, at some point, we don't have that same rule in the house.
15:43 And, of course, the senate continues to abide by it. That, really, I don't believe reflects the, the will of the American people when they put a particular party in control of the senate.
15:55 Yeah. That's that's really true, and I I agree with you with all this. I wanna underscore something that you said there, though. I mean, what what the Republicans put forth was a clean resolution. It's just like, let's
16:06 just keep status quo. Let's keep going as things are right now. Don't change anything. Let's just keep going for a few more weeks, and we can negotiate some of these other things. But the Democrats,
16:18 describe for us the difference between the Republicans' clean resolution and the Democrats' plan.
16:24 Well, so, you know, we've, of course, passed the the big beautiful bill since the last CR earlier this spring. And in the big beautiful bill now, the working family tax cut act, we
16:36 said in that bill that you were not going to allow for able-bodied individuals, illegals, to have access to, Medicaid benefits and health care benefits.
16:48 I think if you talk to the average American anywhere in the country that is, is working hard every day, raising
16:55 their
16:56 family, when they hear that, the American government, our taxpayer dollars are going to spend we're spending those to and giving those dollars to
17:07 illegal noncitizens in in this country benefits, you know, free health care, most are offended by that. But that's where the Democrats have doubled down. I'm sure you've seen the clip of the
17:19 debate that popped up, from the, from a recent presidential primary in the Democrat side, but every 1 of them said they would be their health care plan would give
17:31 illegals health care benefits. That's that's coming from hardworking Americans that are just trying to make ends meet right now after a very tough, 4 4 years with the Biden administration and the inflation
17:42 that was caused by the Biden administration. And I think it's very offensive to the American people.
17:48 Yeah. It it really is, and it's just stunning to me how they're digging in all of this. And, of course, there's abortion stuff in there. There's there's there's tons of things in the bill that they're trying to put
18:00 forward, and yet they claim that they're looking out for the American public. Very, very difficult to understand their logic. It's as though they're willing to hurt the American people
18:12 so that they can claim that they're gonna come back later and help them. It's just, unbelievable, upside down logic to me. Thank you so much, Indiana congressman Marlon Stutzman. Always great to
18:24 see you, my friend. Appreciate you joining us on Washington Watch.
18:27 Thank you, Gerald. Have a good evening.
18:30 You too. Alright. We've got much more coming your way today. You don't wanna miss it right after the break. Doctor AJ Nolte is gonna be joining me, and there is breaking news coming
18:42 out of Israel. We'll let him unfold all of that for us right after the break, so don't go anywhere. We'll be back.
18:50 3 years ago, the Supreme Court issued its historic Dobbs decision, a ruling that overturned Roe versus Wade, which for nearly 50 years imposed abortion on demand, silencing voters and
19:02 bypassing the democratic process across the country. The Dobbs decision was a huge step forward against abortion, but it didn't outright ban it. It returned the power to the people. Now
19:14 29 states have laws on the books protecting life. However, there's a catch. Abortion numbers since Dobbs have actually gone up with an increase of 12 percent since 20 20,
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21:53 Welcome back to Washington Watch. Hope you're having a great day. I am Jody Heise, your Friday host, and thank you so much for tuning in with us today. Alright. Earlier this morning, President
22:05 Trump posted on Truth Social that Hamas has until this Sunday at 6 PM Eastern time to accept the terms of his 20 point plan
22:17 that would end the war there in Gaza. In fact, you may recall that Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu actually accepted that deal earlier this week during his White House
22:29 meeting with President Trump. Well, now it appears as though, at least it's being reported, that Hamas has responded. So what are they saying? Joining me now
22:41 to discuss this and more is doctor AJ Nolte. He's the associate professor and director of the Institute for Israel Studies at Regent University. Doctor Nolte,
22:53 welcome back to Washington Watts. Our honor to have you as always.
22:57 Jody, it's great to be here. Thank you for having me.
23:00 Okay. We've got this news that literally just broke within the last hour or 2. Seems as though there is a response from Hamas to president Trump's 20 point plan.
23:13 What do you know so far so far about what they're saying?
23:17 What we're hearing is that Haas Hamas is agreeing to a release of the hostages on the schedule that Trump laid out. Now in the plan, it, calls for a
23:28 release of hostages within 72 hours of Israel accepting the deal. Trump has already apparently given them an extension. But then there's a phased commitment as, the
23:40 hostages are released, then there would be a release of prisoners. I'm also seeing reports that Hamas has agreed to a technocratic body, quote, in accordance with the will of the Palestinian
23:52 people or, drawn from the Palestinian people that will govern Gaza. It seems like, they're probably thinking they will be able to somehow, get some of their folks put in. And, of course,
24:04 the devil will be in the details. But it looks at this point as though they are in fact agreeing to president Trump's deal. And that actually makes a couple of things that have happened in the past month or so that
24:15 didn't really make sense, make a lot more sense.
24:18 Wow. Are you at all surprised by their response to this point?
24:23 I absolutely did not expect that Hamas was going to accept the deal until yesterday. Because yesterday, we saw the release of president Trump's executive order, in the sense of, you know, with with respect to Qatar.
24:35 Right? So he releases an executive order saying that United States is going to protect the territorial integrity of Qatar. Less than 24 hours after that, we see Hamas, doing this deal.
24:47 And so when that was released, it seemed like this is a unilateral decision. Like, why is president Trump giving Qatar something and not getting anything in return? I think we now see what what Trump has gotten in
24:58 return, which is that Qatar basically pressured Hamas to accepting this deal in exchange for protection of its territorial integrity from the United States, and a promise
25:10 that basically Israel is not going to strike on Qatari soil again. And so this what this looks like is a brilliant example of good cop bad cop by Trump and Netanyahu in lie in, in in hindsight over the
25:22 past couple of months.
25:24 Wow. Extremely good point there. I I didn't I didn't pack that up. So you your your your understanding or at least your opinion, what you're seeing here is the Qatar deal was directly
25:36 related to what we're now seeing with Hamas apparently accepting the peace deal.
25:41 I mean, Donald Trump is never somebody who gives something for nothing. And if he's giving away something as, sort of out of character for a lot of the the trajectory of this administration as an open unilateral
25:53 guarantee of Qatar's security, like the very strong decree or, guarantee that was was put in this executive order yesterday, then he's got some sort of quid pro quo that he's gonna get in
26:05 exchange for that. And I haven't really thought about it, but I I think Trump actually was able to gain some leverage by protecting Qatar, which then Qatar, which was 1 of the major outside, supporters of
26:17 Hamas, is actually, pushing Hamas and basically recognizing that their survival and their security guarantees they want from the United States are dependent on their ability to pressure Hamas into accepting this deal.
26:28 And so that, to me, looks like what's happening. I don't have any inside information on that, but that just kinda makes sense as I connect the dots in in real time Yeah.
26:37 It really
26:37 as as we're getting this.
26:39 Yeah. It really does make a lot of sense. And and, look, I mean, Qatar is an ally, but but there are some things to to keep in mind here, aren't there? I mean, are there some things to kinda keep a pulse
26:51 on and have some degree of concern?
26:54 I would describe Qatar as a frenemy, to use a a term that some of the younger, crowd listening to this might really understand in the sense that, yes, they will cooperate with us. Yes. They see us as part
27:06 of we are part of their security guarantees, and they are part of our security architecture. But they also play both sides against the middle. They've been doing it for years. You know, they supported a bunch of
27:16 Islamists during the Arab Spring. Al Jazeera has been a a Hamas spokes outlet, for lack of a better term, throughout this conflict. And, of course, Al Jazeera is
27:28 very tightly tied to the Qatari regime. And you also have, you know, Qatar has had a very complex dance with Iran. So they are definitely wanting to be intermediaries here. But what
27:40 president Trump and Netanyahu I don't know if this is intentional or not, but what they basically did was they were able to play good cop bad cop after the Israeli strike on Qatar. And now it seems like, president Trump
27:51 was able to gain leverage over Qatar by, you know, very strongly saying that we need to protect them without condemning Israel, without attacking Israel. And exchange for that, it seems like Qatar has been pressuring
28:02 Hamas to accept Trump's deal. Because, obviously, if Trump had given them the security guarantee and then Hamas had not accepted the deal, this would have been a massive loss of face for Qatar. So I was talking to a
28:13 friend, actually. You know, my my odds of Hamas accepting the deal went up to about 50 percent after, the the Qatar executive order, and it seems like that is in fact what has happened.
28:25 Very, very interesting. I only got about a minute left. What are the next steps? Where where does all this go from here?
28:31 The devil is in the details. There's a lot of good, bad, and interesting in Trump's plan, but now it looks like we're gonna move on to the implementation phase. I would expect Hamas to try to preserve as much of a
28:40 footprint for themselves in the strip covertly as they can. The US and Israel is gonna try to prevent that. The real question is, who's going to end up rebuilding Gaza? Are we going to be able to build a peaceful,
28:51 stable, prosperous future? And will there be an entity in Gaza that is willing to live in peace with Israel? And so those are the things to watch in the weeks ahead. But it does look like if Hamas actually follows
29:02 through this time, we could be coming to the end of this very long war.
29:07 Yeah. That was the first thing I thought when I got the the news breaking here an hour or 2 ago whenever it was that this could indeed be the beginning of the end of this whole thing. Thank you so much, doctor AJ Nolte
29:18 of Regent University. We'd love having you on the program, and your insights are always very, very up to date and well thought out. Appreciate you joining us. Thank you for having me. Alright. We
29:30 still have a lot coming your way on Washington Watch, so don't go anywhere. Coming up right after the break. FBI director, Kash Patel, shared some great news today, and
29:42 that also was some breaking news. Well, what was it? What? Stay tuned. We'll let you know on the other side
29:48 of the break. We'll be back.
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31:53 Good afternoon. Welcome Welcome back to Washington Watch. I'm Jody Heiser, Friday host. Always an honor to have you joining us. Okay. Earlier today, our friends over at the Daily Signal
32:05 reported some very, very welcome news to get our Friday off and running. According to their exclusive reporting, the FBI confirmed that it has severed
32:17 all ties with the Southern Poverty Law Center. Now, you may recall that just before the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the SPLC actually had placed his
32:29 organization, Turning Point USA, on their so called hate map, which, by the way, FRC is also on their list as well. But now the FBI is severing
32:40 relationships with the SPLC. And what does all that mean in practice? Well, here now to discuss more is Tyler O'Neil. He is actually the 1 who broke this story. He's a senior
32:52 editor at the Daily Signal and author of Making Hate Pay, the corruption of the Southern Poverty Law Center. Tyler, welcome back to Washington Watch. We appreciate you joining
33:04 us.
33:05 Thanks again for having me, Jody.
33:08 Alright. This has this has been a long time coming. So for those who may not be aware, share with us the impact that the SPLC has had on the FBI and
33:20 others for that matter.Show more
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