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A free speech warning from across the pond, the CDC gets a shakeup, the real effects of tariffs as Americans await a SCOTUS ruling, and a historical look at where Americans’ rights are derived.
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Defending Free Speech and Addressing Global Censorship 0:01 From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, DC, bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and soundbites into conversations with our nation's leaders and0:12 newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Jody Heiss.0:20 Well, good afternoon. Welcome to this Thursday edition of Washington Watch. I'm Jody Heiss, senior fellow here at the Family Research Council, and an honor to be filling in today for Tony. We have a lot to bring0:32 your way in the next hour, so stay with us. First of all, with Congress back in session, so are the hearings. And when there are hearings, there typically are fireworks that often come0:44 with them. And among the hearings was 1 yesterday on how European online censorship laws threaten the right of Americans to speak freely online here in0:56 the United States.0:57 This legislation we've got will damage trade between our countries, threaten free speech across the west because of the knock on, roll out effects of this legislation from us1:10 or from the European Union. So I've come today as well to be a klaxon, to say to you, don't allow piece by piece this to happen here in1:21 America.1:24 Very interesting. That was UK member of parliament, Nigel Farage, yesterday during a house judiciary committee hearing, and I'll be discussing this here in just a few moments when I'm joined by Peter McElvaney,
1:35 who works, for the in the office of the UK's House of Lords, and he'll be coming to us from the UK. And health and human services secretary, Robert f Kennedy junior, was on the
1:47 hot seat today. He faced an angry group of Democrats who were upset over a number of things, including the recent shakeup at the CDC. In his defense,
1:59 secretary Kennedy said that those changes were absolutely necessary given the CDC's handling of the COVID pandemic.
2:07 America is home to 4.2 percent of the world's population. Yeah. We had nearly 20 percent of the COVID deaths. We literally did worse than any country in the world.
2:20 And the people at the CDC who oversaw that process, who put masks on our children, who closed our schools, are the people who will be leaving. So
2:33 is secretary Kennedy endangering Americans as all the critics are claiming, or is he protecting them? Well, we will have that discussion with North Carolina congressman Mark
2:44 Harris, who will be joining me in just a little bit. And then there were these absolutely outlandish remarks that took place during a
2:56 Senate Finance Committee hearing yesterday in which Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia attacked the Trump nominee, catch this, for believing that our rights come from
3:08 God and not from government.
3:10 You state, and this is a a quote from secretary Rubio, our rights come from God, our creator, not from our laws, not from our governments. I find that very, very troubling. The notion that rights
3:22 don't come from laws and don't come from the government, but come from the creator, that's what the Iranian government believes.
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3:45 And also on today's program, I'll discuss the latest in the Trump administration's legal battle over the president's emergency tariffs. Spencer Morrison, he's the editor in chief of the National Economics
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5:09 Yesterday, the House Judiciary Committee held a hearing to examine European threats to America's free speech and innovation. In particular, the hearing highlighted how
5:20 European online censorship laws threaten the right of Americans to speak freely online, even here in the United States. And on this, 1 of the witnesses, a member of the
5:32 UK parliament, issued a stark warning.
5:36 This legislation we've got will damage trade between our countries, threaten free speech across the west because of the knock on, roll out effects of this legislation from us
5:49 or from the European Union. So I've come today as well to be a klaxon to say to you, don't allow piece by piece this to happen here in
6:00 America.
6:03 That was UK member of parliament, Nigel Farage. So just how grave is this threat? Well, joining me now to discuss this is Peter McElvaney. He's the cofounder of
6:15 Hearts of Oak, which is a freedom of speech alliance, and he works in the office of the UK's House of Lords. Peter, welcome back to Washington Watch. Good to have you.
6:25 Great to be with you, Judy. Thanks so much.
6:28 Well, listen. We've got a couple of online, censorship laws that came up during the hearing yesterday, that are already part of the UK. The Online Safety Act was 1 of them, and the
6:39 European Union's Digital Services Act. Can you can you highlight those for us? Tell us what what those are all about.
6:48 I can. I'm so glad that Nigel is over there in DC letting you know what is happening in the UK, and I know the Trump administration already understands these threats. JD Vance has spoken a lot
6:59 about his concerns, and was paramount in Apple stopping, making sure the UK government didn't get a backdoor there. So there's so many areas. The online safety act, online
7:11 safety bill, was billed as a a child protection app, basically. Keep your children safe. But what it means is that, media companies, social media companies
7:23 are liable for huge fines if anyone may be caught may be offended through what is said. So there, basically, a x is held to the same standard as the the New York
7:35 Post. And this does not mean it's 1 country or another. This means that, actually, it could be anyone, any US citizen, anyone. The UK government doesn't seem to make any
7:46 distinction with territorial boundaries. It simply has become judge and arbiter and said anything that is said online, on any social media platform
7:58 that anyone may find offensive, then you have broken the law. And the fines are up to 10 percent of global annual turnover, not just UK annual turnover, global.
8:11 So you can see why many media companies have expressed concern to the UK government as they've expressed concerns to the European Union on their digital services act, which is just as dangerous and was introduced
8:23 strangely just days after the UK's online safety act. But they told us they weren't colluding together. Nonsense. So this is a huge effort by Europe at large
8:34 to shut down free speech. They have huge concerns of the rise of populist parties as you've had the the huge success of president Trump being reelected in,
8:46 in Europe, we've had big successes in Germany with the AFD, in Austria, the FPO, Marine Le Pen, obviously, in France. And they have done everything they can to make sure and keep
8:58 that support down. So it is the European Union in utter fear that the people may actually have their way.
9:07 So are are you saying just, I mean, practical, perspective here. Could an American citizen traveling to the UK, could they face potential arrest or risk of
9:18 arrest for something that they posted on social media? Well, they could. And let me
9:24 give you an example of what happened just a day or 2 ago, and there was a comedian, UK comedian, 1 of the most famous UK comedians, Graham Lyneham, and he's, written a, a range
9:35 of hugely popular TV shows. And he's become a free speech activist in terms of the trans issue, in terms of women having women's spaces and men
9:47 not being able to call themselves a woman. Fairly common sense. If you read the bible, God made us male at V. Well, it's simple. It's all there in Genesis. But he has been very outspoken about that, and he traveled back
9:58 from Arizona. He's actually an Irish citizen. Yeah. I don't know if he has a British pass or an Irish passport holder, and he traveled from Arizona to London Heathrow, and he was arrested
10:10 by, I think it was 5 or 6 armed police officers. Now armed police officers are normal in the US, but here in the UK, it is not the norm. You've only got a very small
10:22 percentage of the police that actually are trained to use firearms. So to be met by 5 armed police officers is very unusual in the UK, and this was because of tweet.
10:34 He has never, had violence against anyone, but he was held. He actually was in the magistrate's court today in Westminster, fighting against that. And he wore a huge
10:46 plaque basically saying that men cannot be women, and free free speech is important. So he went in fighting, but he an Irish citizen, and it could be an American citizen. And a
10:58 lot of US friends have expressed concerns flying through the UK that they also could be arrested. Because when you're in UK territory, you don't have any first or second amendment rights here.
11:10 Right. Wow. Stunning. And, now, look, we allow just springboard from here. We have covered this before, but it's not just free speech that
11:22 can get you in trouble in the UK right now, but even your thoughts and prayers, even silent prayers, are there any updates that you can provide, on the public spaces protection
11:34 order, while we have just a little bit of time left here?
11:37 Well, it is still in force, and it kind of mirrors the third clip you showed in your intro there, with shock from some of our politicians that you would say that everything we
11:49 have is God given. We have a other collapse in our frontline politics of any faith element apart from Islam. Certainly, Christianity is more or
12:01 less nonexistent in the front benches of both Labour and the conservative government or, parties. So we have very few Christians in parliament. And as you mentioned, your thoughts are
12:13 now an arrestable offense and prayer. So we have these restrictions outside abortion clinics. I think it's 500 feet. And around that 500 feet area, you cannot do or
12:25 say or think anything that may hinder the operation of those abortion clinics. And we have had a number of people arrested simply for standing there and praying
12:36 silently. We still don't know exactly what the law says on this, but the the problem is when you bring in legislation that's very wide and vague, it then can be used
12:48 by certain groups to push this through. And this is being used by certain police officers who hit Christianity, who are very aggressive on a Marxist agenda, and they're using those
13:00 personal hateful beliefs against us as Christians, to make sure and marginalize and silence, not only Christians, but if on on the pro life issue, those who stand for life, not even
13:12 from a Christian point of view, that also is not allowed. So we really do need your prayers in the US for us here that that will be overturned. That came in under a conservative government.
13:23 That's the sad state of affairs. And I know Nigel Farage is speaking up against all of those restrictions.
13:31 Well, thank you so much, Peter McElvaney, cofounder of Hearts of Oak. We appreciate you staying up and for joining us today on Washington Watch. Incredible information,
13:43 and we will certainly be praying. Thank you for joining us.
13:47 Thank you, Judy.
13:49 Alright, friends. We have a lot more Washington Watch coming your way after the break and a lot more issues to cover, so stick around. We'll be back.
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17:03 Thank you so much for joining us today on Washington Lodge. Welcome back. I'm Jody Heiss filling in today for Tony. Alright. I mentioned it a while ago, but, when congress is back in session, generally
17:15 speaking, you can count on fireworks coming with them, particularly as it enters into the various hearings that they have. Well, that that took place again today on Capitol Hill is health and
17:26 human services secretary Robert f Kennedy junior testified before the senate finance committee on the president's 20 26 health care agenda. In particular, the Democrats
17:39 attacked secretary Kennedy over the shakeup at the CDC, which the secretary said was absolutely necessary considering the CDC's poor handling of the COVID pandemic.
17:51 So do Democrats really do they really think that the CDC did a good job? Do they really think that changes are not needed? Well,
18:03 joining me now to discuss this and more is congressman Mark Harris. He serves on several different committees, including judiciary. He represents North Carolina's eighth congressional district. Congressman
18:15 Harris, welcome back to Washington Watch. Always good to have you.
18:19 Hey, Jody. It's great to be with you. Thank you for having me today.
18:23 Well, listen. I know that your schedule is crazy. You just come off a panel where you've been talking to a group of people, so thank you for joining us by phone. Let's start with the all the criticism against secretary
18:35 Kennedy that took place today. He was he was in the hot seat. What are your thoughts about it?
18:41 Well, you know, secretary Kennedy is following through on really everything that president Trump ran on. I think all of America reacted,
18:53 in the election in 20 24 to really the mismanagement that we saw on these health care issues and particularly with COVID and the way it was handled under the Biden
19:05 administration in in so many ways. And I think that that really again, we're seeing just the fulfillment of exactly what president Trump said he was was going to do, and I think secretary,
19:18 Kennedy is is making sure that that occurs.
19:22 Yeah. I tell you some of the the footage that I've seen, some of the clips, he was standing pretty tough in the midst of a very hostile environment. Among them was the top Democrat
19:34 on the senate finance committee, Oregon senator Ron Wyden. He described that the US is in the midst of a health care calamity. But you listen to that, congressman
19:45 Harrison, it I don't know. Maybe I'm mistaken. It sounded more like he was talking about the HHS under the Biden administration. Your thoughts?
19:55 Oh, I would agree with that a hundred percent, Jody. I mean, when when you look at at really trying to, get confidence restored in our health care and
20:07 and in government, in this country, that's been a big tall order. And this administration, I think, has has really done a great deal to restore confidence in the
20:18 leadership that's there. And so for the Democrats to find that quite fascinating.
20:31 Yeah. That's I'm chuckling with the the way you put that. I think that's, that's right. I mean, let's look. We're we're still all of us as a country for that matter, we're still reeling from the shoddy
20:43 decisions, the mandates of the Biden administration's HHS that they pressed on the entire country during the COVID pandemic. I mean, their decisions literally negatively
20:56 impacted our children, our businesses, our military, on and on and on. And you wonder where in the world do they believe they have the moral high ground now to attack someone who's trying to correct
21:07 all those things?
21:09 Well, you're exactly right. And and not only that, but rarely, a week goes by that I don't meet somebody or talk to somebody that is still dealing from the ramifications
21:21 of the COVID vaccine. I mean, I've got folks in my district that talk to me often, very concerned because they're still dealing with the side effects, the fallout, that came
21:33 from from the man from taking the vaccine, that was was mandated as it was. So I I agree with you. I I think for this, for this Democrats
21:45 to be claiming that this administration is somehow has us in a state of chaos, I think is way, way off track.
21:54 Yeah. And I think the American people have good enough memory to to recall that. If I can, congressman Harris, let me switch gears on you real quickly. We're still seeing a lot of pushback
22:05 again from the Democrats, particularly mayors and governors across the country, various places, against Trump's crackdown on crime. And yesterday, the president
22:17 suggested that New Orleans could be next in line for federal assistance from the National Guard. Give me your assessment of what the president's been doing as it relates to this whole crime issue.
22:30 Well, Jody, I think the president has has really taken the lead and provided the leadership that that American people have been looking for on this issue of law and
22:41 order. I mean, when you've got the Associated Press just 2 weeks ago that put out their poll that 81 percent of the American public believes that crime is a major issue,
22:53 that just tells you Americans are concerned about it. The president put Washington DC and his about it. The president took Washington, DC, and has somewhat tried to turn it into a model city, if you will, in its law
23:04 enforcement. When you look at the the over 1600 arrest, when you look at the number of illegal guns that have been seized, when you look at the lack of murders for the first there was no murder for
23:16 12 consecutive days. And, you know, prior to all of that, there was a murder on average every other day. So I think that that he has demonstrated what can work.
23:28 And then, you know, in comparison, look at Chicago where I I read the statistic just today. They're on track for 4000 shooting victims in this
23:40 year alone with where they're going. If they continue to base, they're at now 4000 in a year Wow. Of people being shot. So that's that's a major crisis in our large
23:52 metropolitan cities. And I just think the president is is trying to sound that alarm, and and it really is gonna take some mayors and and that are gonna step up. And I hope that people
24:03 realize that elections do matter, and I know there's a lot of major cities, municipalities that are having elections this November. And I'm hoping crime is gonna be the major
24:15 topic of conversation and that the American people have a chance to vote on that.
24:21 I think it definitely will be a major issue. I and I I just, come alongside you with, scratching my head over these Democrat mayors and governors. But I will say I'm proud of DC's
24:32 mayor, mayor Bowser. She has Yeah. Now being a Democrat, she's coming out saying thank you, president Trump. And there has been an enormous about face in Washington, DC as it relates to crime.
24:44 Thank you so much, congressman Mark Harris of North Carolina. Always great to have you on Washington Watch.
24:50 Always great to be with you. Thank you so much.
24:53 Alright. Alright. Coming up next, Supreme Court steps into legal battle over terrorists.
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27:02 Thank you so much for joining us today on Washington Watch. Again, I'm Jody Heisfeeling in for Tony, and, we appreciate you being on board with us. Alright. Yesterday, the Trump administration asked
27:14 the US Supreme Court to quickly step in to the legal battle over the president's emergency tariffs. And, you probably saw this, but perhaps not. This whole
27:26 move is coming after a federal appeals court ruled last week that president Trump did not have the authority to impose tariffs under the International Emergency Economic
27:38 Powers Act. So the administration has appealed that decision, and now they are asking the Supreme Court to decide by September tenth whether or not to take the case. And the justices
27:50 were also urged to schedule arguments by the first week in November. So how might all this unfold? Well, joining me now to discuss this is Spencer p Morrison. He's editor in chief of the
28:01 National Economics editorial and author of ReShore, How Tariffs Will Bring Our Jobs Home and Revive the American Dream. Spencer, welcome back to Watch
28:13 and Watch. Appreciate you joining us.
28:16 Good evening. It's always a pleasure.
28:19 Okay. So for those in our audience who may not be aware, this, can you give us kind of a brief explanation of what I just referenced, the International Emergency Economic Powers
28:31 Act, and the president's implementation of it in particular? That's the question.
28:38 Right. So just to provide a brief summary for everyone. Over the last 5, 6 months, there's been an enormous amount of what I would call lawfare being waged against this administration. They've been,
28:50 essentially taking the president to court over his use, of his executive authority to institute these tariffs. And the reason for that is because, you know, if you took your civics classes, you should be well aware,
29:01 Congress has the power over the purse in in accordance with the constitution. Now where this gets interesting is the fact that there's something called delegated authority. That is congress is able to pass a
29:13 statute which delegates some of their decision making authority to the president or to, you know, the the executive branch. And the reason they might do this is because, of course, people in congress are you know, they
29:25 take a long time to make decisions. Whereas the executive is much more nimble and can respond, to threats and and and issues. So what president Trump has done, of course, is he's he's taken a look at
29:36 what's happened to America's economy and the downstream effects that offshoring and the so called free trade, with foreign nations have had, both on the economy and, of course, downstream
29:48 socially and politically. What he said is, look. This is a total national emergency. Not only are drugs like fentanyl pouring across the border, which is killing tens of thousands of Americans every year,
30:00 but on top of that, America's supply chains have been completely gutted. And this is causing a national security crisis because, of course, you know, the military requires foreign parts in
30:12 order to build machinery and equipment. You know, computer chips are a really good example of that. So what the president said is, look, this is a national emergency. Terrace's solution to this emergency. And
30:24 what this litigation battle is about is whether or not this constitutes a
30:35 questions into 1, if I may. First of all, how strong of a case does the Trump administration have before the Supreme Court on this? And then what are the possible outcomes that could take place?
30:47 And which 1 do you think is most likely?
30:50 It's a good question. Well, in terms of whether or not this constitutes national emergency, I think it depends. Within, you know, in terms of whether or not there's a nexus,
31:02 between a national emergency and and tariffs, is a question that the court is going to consider. And I'm leaning to them not deeping
31:13 this to be
31:13 a national emergency insofar as the terrorists, are instituted against Canada and Mexico. I think there's a much better case to be made, with reference to China, however. Foreign
31:25 so imagine if we were in the Cold War still and the United States was purchasing, you know, fighter jets from the Soviet Union. Can you imagine the uproar, the public outcry,
31:37 about the national security threat that that would have? And that's essentially exactly what is happening with America's trade with China. America is purchasing almost all of the semiconductors that go into our computers
31:48 from China or from Taiwan rather than building them at home. And, of course, this this is a massive national emergency. That being said, I'm not confident that the court will find, in the administration's
32:01 favor. And this brings us to the second part of the question, where does this leave us? The reality is is that there's a number of other statutes that delegate authority to the president. He could simply institute the
32:13 tariffs under under another under another piece of delegated legislation. So I think, ultimately, this is really more of a roadblock than the end of the line, for
32:24 either the lawfare against the president or for the tariff agenda as a whole. So
32:30 Wow. So very interesting. So so you so you're saying even if the president loses here, he still has options to continue putting forth the tariffs.
32:42 Yeah. Exactly. And I think it's important to remember that this particular piece of legislation was used to, impose tariffs on Canada and Mexico and China because of the fentanyl crisis.
32:54 And then he's imposed, the 10 percent baseline tariffs under this legislator under this legislation. Now the reality is is that all of the other tariffs are actually already brought in under other
33:06 legislation or under other delegated authority. So this is only going to impact a certain subset of what the president has done. So it's not the end of the tariffs by any stretch of the imagination. And I think, frankly,
33:17 he could fit this in, perhaps more snugly, under under under branches of authority to begin with.
33:25 Wow. Thank you so much, Spencer Morrison, editor in chief of the National Economics editorial. Fascinating discussion. Deeply appreciate your input.
33:36 Thanks. God bless.
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