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Tony and guests summarize P. M. Netanyahu’s White House visit and the future of Israel, delve into the devastating Texas flood, and discuss the IRS's new position on Churches that endorse politicians.
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In this video 0:00 A Stand for Israel and Sovereignty13:58 Faith, Family, and Freedom27:26 Tragedy and Triumph in Texas45:05 Victory for Free Speech
A Stand for Israel and Sovereignty 0:00 From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington DC, bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and sound bites into conversations with our nation's leaders and0:12 newsmakers, all from a biblical world view. Washington Watch with Tony Perkins starts0:18 now. I think, the Palestinian should have all the powers to govern themselves, but none of the powers to threaten us. No 1 in Israel will, agree to anything else because we don't commit suicide.0:30 We want life. We cherish life for ourselves, for our neighbors.0:35 That was Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House yesterday evening. Welcome to this July eighth edition of Washington Watch. I'm your host, Tony Perkins. Thanks for tuning in. President Trump0:47 and prime minister Netanyahu met last night and are scheduled to meet again this evening to discuss the path forward in Gaza. Now 1 key takeaway from last night's meeting is the United States is0:59 standing firmly with Israel, which appears to include its right to maintain sovereignty over Judea and Samaria. We'll talk with congresswoman Claudia Tinney of New York, chair of the house friends of Judea and1:10 Samaria caucus, about what this means for US policy moving forward. Also ahead, doctor AJ Nolte from Regent University will help us unpack the shifting dynamics of a potentially new1:22 Middle East. And meanwhile, the search and rescue efforts continue in Texas.
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1:39 recoveries. We just ask you to continue to pray for the victims, for the families, for your first responders, for everyone involved.
1:51 That was Texas game warden deputy director of law enforcement, lieutenant colonel Ben Baker, earlier today. Lieutenant governor Dan Patrick of Texas will join us live with an update. Now here's some good
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2:50 Well, president Trump and Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu met at the White House last night. They were not expected to meet again, but they announced they would be meeting again this evening to discuss the way
3:00 forward in Gaza. With me now to talk about this, congresswoman Claudia Tenney, who serves on 3 house committees, including the permanent select committee on intelligence. She also, as I mentioned, chairs the Friends of
3:12 Judea and Samaria caucus. She represents the 20 fourth congressional district of New York. Congresswoman Tinney, welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks for joining us.
3:22 Oh, great to be on. Great great breaking news, from the top of your hour here.
3:27 So encouraging conversations taking place yesterday, at least what we heard from it. What have you been hearing? What more can you share with us?
3:35 Yeah. Look. This is great news. Obviously, the president welcoming, prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu into the White House with key leaders on his team, key cabinet members, but Marco Rubio and others, including speaker
3:47 Mike Johnson, Thune. Everyone's gonna be talking about, you know, looking like there's a potentially, a future for peace in the Middle East, something that I don't think anyone ever imagined could happen. But I have to
3:57 say it all started from president Trump's very novel idea of the Abraham Accords. And, and now his really bold and decisive action in moving in to stop Iran from creating and and having the power to, put a
4:09 nuclear weapon together to attack not just Israel, but also the United States and other, perceived enemies around the world. So it's really important that we continue on this mission and continue the energy that
4:20 president Trump has put behind this issue. It could be just incredibly groundbreaking to actually have a potential prosperity. Some of the things that I think that, you've seen in in the meeting, you know, of course,
4:32 there was, you know, an interesting, moment where, prime minister Netanyahu said that he nominated president Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. Well, I'm a little ahead of the game there. I've done that twice already,
4:43 during the open period when nominations are accepted, last year in January and, again, this year in December. I did add, though, in my nominations, which I filled out with the Nobel committee in, December. I added, prime
4:55 minister Netanyahu for his amazing work and also former prime former defense minister Gallant for his, mastermind of the of the whole pager and other, you know, preliminary,
5:08 I would call them strikes or preliminary actions taken by Israel to really make it possible for them to set up the intervention by the United States with b twos and others to, eradicate
5:20 the nuclear site. So, but I think there's so many things going on. That's why I started the Judea and Samaria caucus, it's and and also the, you know, the friends of Judea and Samaria caucus. It's really important to
5:31 recognize the truth of the Jewish homeland there, Judea and Samaria, and and not to continue on his fiction with area 1 and area 2, area 3, and also make sure that president Trump continues, to work
5:43 with our partners on getting us to a point where we actually have a potential for peace and prosperity for the Palestinians living among the Jewish friends in a a state, which, by the way, they already
5:54 have. You know, the Palestinians have the right to vote. They have the right to, all of the freedoms that every Israeli has except for the Palestinian authority and their intervention and really taking the rights away
6:06 from people. And I think that more and more as people see what's really happening in Gaza, I think they recognize that the Gazans and many of them welcoming president Trump and his actions, and also actually
6:18 praising president Trump and many of them wanting to get out of Gaza so that they can be in a free democratic society that Israel has created surrounded by authoritarian, regimes in the
6:30 in the region. So, we have a we I I see a chance for peace here, but we have to keep our our, you know, the foot to the gas because right now, if if we slow down, I think, you know, Hamas, under
6:42 the auspices of of the Iranian regime and other, other parts of the Middle East could intervene and prevent that from happening.
6:49 Yeah. I think history will tell us that, evil will fill a void there in the Middle East very rapidly. We've seen that happen before. You you mentioned Judea and Samaria as you, chair that
7:00 caucus there on Capitol Hill. The prime minister was asked about this, last night, at the meeting. He was he was asked about the the so called 2 state solution. I think post October
7:12 seventh, even Palestinians or even Arabs realized that this is not a way forward. He said the Palestinians should have all the powers of governance, but Israel would have to retain
7:24 control of security over Gaza. So this is not taking territory, but ins ensuring security. So they're not they're not talking about giving up land this time. They're they're
7:36 talking about allowing some tribal, independence, but Israel the Israeli government would be over all of the region.
7:44 Well, that's because the Palestinian Authority has proven that they cannot govern and and create a democracy. They spend all their resources, and that's billions of dollars, from, friends around the world, and they spend
7:56 it on terrorism. And they spend it they don't spend it on the people who are struggling and suffering in those areas, areas, that, you know, 1 and 2 or a a and b. And so, you know, these it's really important that, you
8:07 know, the Palestinians are engaged in peace, and I think something I saw on your ticker here, was something that I thought was really remarkable that I had a discussion, recently, with, governor
8:19 Barack. He was discussing maybe taking the sheikhs of Hebron and moving them into the Abraham accords Right. And and joining the Abraham accords to create a a so called
8:32 another solution that way. I don't wanna say it's a 2 state solution, but joining them into the Abraham Accords because I think people are starting to realize that a terror regime, you know, based on evil, in an
8:43 ungodly kind of way is is not the way forward, is not the way to peace and prosperity. And just look at Israel, the innovation that Israel has, has sustained in spite of all the odds
8:55 against them and and all the interventions and the problems happening from, you know, state sponsored terror mostly coming from Iran, but also the hatred. And I think they're like I think that almost they might be
9:07 weary of of the hatred and wanting to see a chance for prosperity and peace, and they've seen that other Arab nations have been working with the president and working on the Abraham Accords and and his, you
9:19 know, trip to the Middle East, you know, a month or so ago. Although a lot of people criticize him for not going to Israel, I think that was deliberate to show, I'm gonna reach out to these folks, in Qatar and Saudi
9:30 Arabia and Bahrain and and, and, and Arab Emirates and show them that we want you to be part of the Abraham Accords. We want everybody involved in peace and prosperity in the Middle
9:41 East. It's not an easy task. I mean, we've had, centuries, but you could argue decades of of real I mean, multiple decades of terror where people have been indoctrinated to hate Jewish people, to
9:53 hate the west, to hate western civilization, to hate the United States, and and and moving them in another direction is not gonna happen overnight. But let's start doing that from governments that are willing to come to
10:04 the table. And I think that's what president Trump is is really doing is bringing these people to the table and recognizing that there is a chance for them if everyone agrees to a peaceful solution, even meeting with
10:16 in in a controversial way, obviously, with the the new Syrian, president, which I think was, you know, was controversial. I was a little concerned about that he's surrounded by jihadist people. But if we can move
10:27 everyone in a path to peace, you know, maybe this is the way we do it incrementally. But, again, we can never allow, as you say, Tony, that vacuum to occur where terrorism and the hatred, you know, seeps in again.
10:39 So this is gonna be dynamic, and it's gonna be require a lot of work on all sides. That's what Judeo and Samaria caucus is trying to do. We're trying to create, this like minded people to get together, not just in the
10:50 United States. We're trying to link up our partners in Europe, and all around the world to to recognize this so that it becomes a world situation, a world the world engaged in trying to make the Middle East, you know,
11:01 which has so much incredible history for for mankind, you know, to make it great again. And I think that's what trip president Trump's mission is.
11:08 I think with, Iran defanged, there's a real possibility of, of seeing a resolution to this conflict that's been there. I think it's gonna be a managed piece. But final question. I wanna get
11:20 your reaction to the Likud party, the prime minister's party, petitioning him to basically exercise Israeli sovereignty over Judea and Samaria before the Knesset
11:32 summer session ends, later this month. So clearly, the Knesset is moving in that direction too, recognizing Israel's right to exercise sovereignty over Judea and
11:43 Samaria.
11:44 Well, there's also legislation in the Knesset to do the the same, and I think that they're pushing him, to do that, and I think it's a good idea. I think it's it's it it's and and by the way, everyone who lives in Judea
11:55 and Samaria who's not Jewish, who is a Muslim or Christian faith or whatever they choose to be can live in peace and prosperity under Israeli, rule there because it's a democratic, society that believes
12:07 in rights. They can access all the government resources that every other Israeli can access and and still have the right to do that now without the threat of the Palestinian Authority or Gaza or Iranian
12:18 backed, different, proxy groups coming in to disrupt the region. So I think that that even, I think that is I think that that's something that, we're hoping will happen, and we we hope that we can continue to find,
12:30 the recognition of the historic Jewish homeland and and continue to have everyone in Judea and Samaria, live in peace and not have to live under these these sectioned and, this sectioned off sort of strange, you
12:42 know, situation we have. And, also, it ends this whole fake discussion of the West Bank
12:47 Right.
12:48 The discussion about, you know, settlements that are illegal and disruptive. You know, I I've been to some of these so called settlements. These are beautiful places where people are just farming and and trying to make a
12:58 living and and work with their neighbors. And so it's it's just time for all that to end, and I think this is a good move by the Knesset and the Likud party. I I I really think that we're moving in the right direction.
13:09 It's a historic moment, and, we're
13:11 not Absolutely. I mean, it really is. I mean, I can't think of a time in my lifetime, and I've been around a little while where we've seen anything quite like this where we're really in a path where we think we might be
13:21 able to, you know, find a way to give the Iranians, actually an opportunity for a democratic society. You know, the great Persian culture, you know, was eviscerated by by the Mullahs in 19 79 and
13:33 continues, you know, to to take the rights away from them. I think they'd like to be part of this whole Middle Eastern press period.
13:38 They absolutely would. Claudia Tinney, always great to see you. Thanks so much for
13:42 Thank you.
13:43 Joining us today. Congresswoman Claudia Tini of New York. I have lots to pray about, folks. Continue to pray even tonight as the prime minister and the president meet to discuss the way forward.
13:55 Alright. We're gonna talk more about it on the other side of the break. Don't go away.
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17:02 Welcome back to Washington Watch. Thanks so much for, tuning in. Alright. I wanna continue, unpacking president Trump's meeting with Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and I
17:14 wanna bring in doctor AJ Nolte. Doctor Nolte is associate professor and director of the Institute for Israel Studies at Regent University. Doctor Nolte, welcome back to Washington Watch. Always great to have you on the
17:24 program.
17:25 Tony, it's great to be with you, and it's honored to follow a pro Israel champion and my mom's congresswoman, Claudia Tenney.
17:32 Yeah. Claudia is doing a a great job of working very closely with her on the Judea and the Samaria caucus. 2 things I wanna try to get to here in this segment. Number 1 is tonight, president and the prime minister
17:43 meeting again to talk about and tonight, it's almost exclusively about the war in Gaza, how to bring this to a conclusion. What are the obstacles standing in the way of this?
17:55 The single biggest obstacle standing in the way of this is Hamas, and particularly Hamas's possession of hostages because the hostages are literally the only leverage Hamas has, and the desire of the
18:07 Israeli people is to bring them home. And so, you know, I've I've even I've been to hostage, hostages forum and and met with some of their folks and their desires to get every hostage out. But they also recognize that
18:19 any deal you make, Hamas has a very high likelihood of breaking. And, so it's a it's a very difficult and challenging process. And so, you know, what's the leverage that you can get to let Hamas release all these
18:31 hostages so the war can end and then hopefully find some sort of peaceful, stable solution to Gaza that's gonna prevent the next October seventh?
18:40 Yeah. I mean, Israel wants Hamas gone. Hamas wants to retain power. So right there, you get this conflict. I think it's gonna be very difficult to resolve, and I'm I'm
18:52 I'm not sure. I think eventually, you're gonna have to have some of the other Arab states lean in on this who have been backing and supporting Hamas. I think Qatar's gonna have to weigh
19:04 in. I think you're gonna have to get Saudi Arabia. I think some of these others are gonna have to weigh in, or it's not gonna be resolved.
19:10 Absolutely right. And Qatar is key because they have been a major financial backer of Hamas. And now that Iran seems to be, largely defanged, Qatar is is probably Hamas's best, hope
19:22 for some sort of, continuance. So maybe there's some sort of deal where they're able to exile and have some resources in Qatar. But I I don't think that Israel's gonna agree to anything that involves a continuation
19:34 of Hamas' and armed organized presence in Gaza.
19:37 Alright. This next 1, I'm just gonna say this upfront. We're probably gonna have to to unpack this more later because this is a in-depth conversation, but it touches into your area of expertise. Emerging from
19:49 this, and I know this has been going on. I know you were over in Israel actually recently, during the outbreak of, of the war. I was there a couple of months ago, met with some of the leaders
20:01 in Hebron, and and now emerging are some tribal leaders, some sheikhs, that Arabs that want to join the air the Abraham Accords. They want out from
20:12 underneath the Palestinian Authority. The the history of this land is tribal. These nation states are kind of imposed upon that, post World War 1. So,
20:25 is that a part of the mix going forward? Finally, there's a realization that land for peace, 2 state solution. Even the the Arabs are realizing that's not gonna work. Is there a way forward here with
20:37 these sheikhs coming forward saying, hey. Let us have tribal opportunities here to lead our families and find a way to coexist peacefully with Israel?
20:47 It reminds me a little bit of Mansour Abbas, the, Islamic background, leader of the Ram party in Israel who decided that cooperating with Zionist parties to support the government was was gonna be best for his
20:59 constituents, many of whom are, sort of Bedouin in the in the southern deserts. It's a very practical, very tribal move. The significance of it is that it breaks the front in the idea that
21:11 Israel will 1 day go away. Because if you have the sheikhs in Hebron that are trying to cut a deal with Israel, that means they're recognizing this is a permanent reality. Let's also remember during the mandate period,
21:21 there were 2 rival power centers. 1 was the grand mufti of, Jerusalem, Haj Amin al Husseini. Unfortunately, he won the conflict. But then there were other families and and groups in, then Palestinian Arab society
21:34 that were maybe open to, sort of different solutions. So there is a history and there are some precedents for it, but it's so new. I think, you know, we'll we'll have to, carefully watch what happens.
21:44 Is there a parallel from a governing structure of what we have here in our country when it comes to the Native American tribal lands where they're they're they have limited they they
21:56 have autonomy, but it's limited. And is that a possible model for Israel to look at?
22:03 You know, I don't actually look at the model of the UN Pacific Trust where there was a trustee relationship between us and, the Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau, etcetera, for a long period of time where there's US
22:14 citizenship. And the reason I would use that model and not necessarily, the Native American model is that Native Americans are also voters in whatever state they're in. And 1 of the concerns that a lot of Jewish Israelis
22:25 have is to maintain the Jewish character of the state. What happens if you enfranchise all of these millions of Palestinians automatically who kind of have this history of of hatred for Israel and and don't support the
22:36 Jewish character of the state? And so finding something that has real political representation at the local level where you retain the democratic character of the state but also retain the Jewish character, that's gonna
22:47 require some finessing if you're if you're not gonna have a Palestinian state. I think there are models, but it's it's a little complicated.
22:53 But it would prevent and and and, basically, I would think end the discussion the default discussion of a 2 state solution forcing Israel to give up land. They would
23:05 maintain sovereignty over the entire region in terms of security and governance.
23:11 I think that's a I think that's a nonnegotiable. I think there's gonna be security control. I think there's gonna be at least some sort of, Israeli sovereignty. And and, frankly, you know, looking at it from the
23:21 perspective of even Christians in the land, you look at the Palestinian Authority's charter. Article 3 says, the Palestinian state will be an Islamic state, and Sharia is a source of legislation. That's not good news for
23:31 Christians in the area, whatever, you know, some more prominent voices might be saying.
23:35 So, doctor Nolte, would you we just got about a minute left. Would you you say the days are limited for the Palestinian Authority?
23:43 I think unless there are immediate, substantial reforms that give Israel a lot of what it wants, I would say yes.
23:51 And I think the the the Arab people living under that corrupt system would say, yay. Many of them, and I've met many of them, who who work, actually
24:03 in Jewish businesses. And in fact, the the sheiks who are in Hebron right now, because everything's locked down, the folks don't have jobs. They don't have incomes because the Israeli economy
24:15 is how they make a living.
24:18 Even more than the p l the PA, you've got to get rid of UNRWA Yeah. With the multigenerational welfare, and extremism of the bizarre refugee status that's there
24:28 Right.
24:29 Where the refugee is living in Palestinian, authority governance, but they can't buy land because they're supposed to return to 19 48 Israel. Right. That fiction has to end immediately for any kind of peace.
24:38 Yeah. The the UN has, actually, I mean, they've been peddling conflict. Doctor Nolte, always great to, to have you on the program. Thanks for joining us.
24:48 Thank you for having me.
24:49 Alright, folks. Stick around. On the other side of the break, lieutenant governor Dan Patrick of Texas joins us, so don't go away.
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