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D-Day Remembrance and Modern Reflections 0:00 From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, DC, bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and sound bites into conversations with our nation's leaders and0:12 newsmakers, all from a biblical worldview. Setting in for Tony is today's host, Joseph Beckham.0:20 President Franklin D Roosevelt, June sixth, 19 44, D Day.0:27 Almighty God, our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve0:39 our republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity. Lead0:50 them straight and cruel. Give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, hearts, steadfastness in their faith.1:03 They will need thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong, he may hurl back our forces.1:15 Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again. And we know that by thy grace1:27 and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph. Some will never return. Embrace these, father,1:40 and receive them thy heroic servants into thy kingdom.1:48 Welcome to Washington Watch. I'm Joseph Backholm sitting for Tony today. And today is the 80 first anniversary of d day, and that was the prayer that president Roosevelt made on
2:00 behalf of our nation and our soldiers and the world on that day. And today, we remember the steep price that was paid in defense of freedom and in opposition to evil,
2:12 and we also, at the same time, thank god for the victory that was won and all that has meant for us individually and the world since then. And
2:23 so we do wanna recognize that day. And later in the program, we will be talking more about D Day with Mark Lavecki. But also coming up, the Supreme Court says the law
2:35 can't treat straight people more harshly than people who identify as gay. What was that case? You heard a little bit about it from the news desk, but why in the world is this
2:47 something we need to say? We're gonna talk about that lady later coming up in the program in our worldview conversation. But first, our headline for today, the ongoing online feud between
2:59 former Doge head Elon Musk and US president Donald Trump is drawing a lot of attention. What started with Musk's jab at Trump's big beautiful bill eventually
3:10 evolved into Musk and Trump trading blows over behaviors, policies, government contracts, and more. Could anyone have seen this coming? And what broader impacts could this feud have on Capitol
3:22 Hill and beyond? Here to discuss this with me is Ken Blackwell. He was part of the Trump administration's transition team on the domestic policies group in 2016 and
3:34 in 20 24. He's also a senior fellow for human rights and constitutional governance here at Family Research Council. Ken, thanks for joining me today.
3:44 Joseph, it's good to be with you.
3:47 Well, we are gonna talk about this Musk Trump story. But before we do, we have some breaking news that I want to, react get you to react to just in the last hour
3:59 involving Kilmar Abrego Garcia. Everyone knows he is kind of, progressive's favorite illegal immigrant. He has been returned to the United States, but it may
4:11 not be exactly what advocates for Abrego Garcia had hoped for. Here's part of what attorney general Pam Bondi had to say just about an hour ago. Let's play clip 9.
4:22 Abrego Garcia has landed in the United States to face justice. On May 20 first, a grand jury in the middle district of Tennessee returned a sealed indictment,
4:34 charging Abrego Garcia with alien smuggling and conspiracy to commit alien smuggling.
4:42 And then she also said this I'll just play clip 8.
4:45 The grand jury found that over the past 9 years, Abrego Garcia has played a significant role in an alien smuggling ring.
4:57 They found this was his full time job, not a contractor. He was a smuggler of humans and children and women.
5:08 Ken Blackwell, your reaction to all of this?
5:12 I'm so delighted, Joseph, that, Garcia's coming to stand in the dock before the American people. He's a bad guy. And, I think, the American people need
5:24 to feel the full embrace of justice, being brought to him for the horrible crimes that he has has committed.
5:34 Now it is an incredible kind of turning of the tables, it seems, because he's been presented to the public as a victim of injustice. And now based on these charges, he has been
5:46 a perpetrator of injustice for a very long time. We will see which narrative ends up prevailing. We will certainly, keep you informed of the developments as they happen. But,
5:58 Ken, I wanna turn to the story we intended to cover in this block, And everyone is kind of aware of the online feud, and it's mostly online right now, it seems, between president Trump and Elon
6:10 Musk. How do you think we should be, thinking about this?
6:14 Well, I think the 2 principles here need to understand and need perhaps to adopt, that, that that strategy of, detente,
6:26 because they have, a a mutual capability of destroying the forward movement of this country in terms of our national security, in terms of dealing with the
6:38 enormous debt that we have, and dealing with the challenge of getting us back on the path of growth, and opportunity. And so, this this back and forth between the president of
6:50 the United States, and a very smart, very affluent, now adversary. But, just a few weeks ago, an ally, has to be
7:02 brought to to a to an end. President is the president of the United States. He is the head of our constitutional republic, and he has an enormous challenge. He has to get
7:14 keep the herd moving west. And in order to to do that, he has to work through not only with the house, and and the senate, he needs to do it within the the framework
7:26 of our, of our constitution. That's a little bit more difficult, than the deep dive that, Elon has done along with the scene and come up with a prescription for
7:38 a comprehensive fix that just not might not be doable, this time around. Big beautiful bill, while again, lacking
7:50 in some aspects, it's probably the best that we can do, to make sure that we keep, that trans, the trifecta that's necessary to keep us on the path of
8:01 progress.
8:03 Now you kind of described well the policy debate that's happening on the surface. Is the big beautiful bill good? Is the big beautiful bill an abomination as Elon Musk has referred to
8:15 it? Do you think this conflict really is ultimately policy based, or is this personal on ways that on levels that we perhaps haven't seen yet?
8:26 Well, it's it's gone sideways, and it's, destructive and it's personal, and we need folks to go to their mutual corners. But, you know, I'm not confused and the American people are
8:38 not confused. Donald Trump stood for the presidency. He got a clear majority of the voters, to say he was the 1 that, they wanted, to lead the nation. He now has to
8:49 work within the framework of the constitution, and and that means that he has to be able to work with a a a house that has a slim majority, and a senate,
9:01 that has not always behaved and and voted as a coherent force.
9:09 Yeah. Well, there is a lot of curiosity about the impact that this will have or will not have on the big beautiful bill. Speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, was asked this question. Here's what he had
9:21 to say. Like, cut 5.
9:23 This is not a problem for getting the bill done. The the house and senate Republicans here know that we have a job to do, and we're going to do our job. And we produced a a very, very good product. It It is not perfect
9:32 because there's no such thing as perfect legislation, but we're really proud of this. And it
9:38 Ken, do you think that is an accurate description of the impact that this feud will not have according to the speaker on the bill?
9:47 Well, I I think there's a a a a a ounce of hope in that. He understands that, this head butting by these 2 powerful personalities, can
9:59 can keep us off of of what I consider to be a positive track forward, and make the speaker and the and and the senate leaders jobs, much more much more difficult.
10:11 But, again, I I have confidence, that, in the final analysis, the 2 principles that we're discussing here, will come to a day time, and, make
10:23 sure that, this this bill, while not perfect, gets passed. You know, sometimes you you make the the good, the enemy of the, of the best or or vice versa,
10:35 and we just can't make that happen this time around. We we need to we need to, put the tourniquet on, and why it doesn't completely stop the the spending bleeding.
10:46 It it it puts us on a track, I I think, where we where we can complete the job over the next, you know, 3 and a half years.
10:58 Do you agree with the analysis that we've heard from many that this is the best we can realistically do under the current political circumstances?
11:08 Well, I I I have a lot of faith in the in the speaker. I I would imagine that something's gonna be sent back to the house that is slightly different from what they sent over to the senate.
11:21 But I have full confidence, that working with the president's team, in in the White House, he and, leaders of film can get this can get
11:32 this done. Again, the the the the the worst, narrative would be, that this thing collapses, and we all have eggs
11:44 on our face. And that just wouldn't be be good for us. But more importantly, it wouldn't be good for the American people.
11:54 Now there seems to be a consensus that we're spending too much money. Nobody says, oh, we're not spending enough. Right? Regardless of where you are in this bill, everybody seems to agree. We should be spending less. The
12:04 disagreement seems to be about when we can or if we can. And, like, the political implications of that are, is it possible and and the the analogy that comes to mind is, like, if we as parents had our
12:16 children vote for whether we could be parents, we would be much more deferential to our children. Are we dealing with a situation where politicians are afraid to tell the truth and look out for the long
12:28 term best interest of the American people because the American people don't really want that? We want what we want, and we want it it now.
12:36 Well, look. Let me tell you. 1 of the blessings of the United States of America, is that, our form of government is decentralized, and it brings decision
12:48 making back to the most basic level. Ultimately, to to the national government, but starting out with the family as the basic unit of governance, working through cities, states, counties, etcetera. In
12:59 the final analysis, the a a downside of our, that it is decentralized and it makes for, conflicting interest.
13:11 But but, again, I think we know what the penalty would be if we fail, and I believe in the final analysis, we're gonna get this done.
13:20 Well, we hope and pray that you are correct. Ken, thank you so much for taking some time with us today.
13:26 Good to be with you, Joseph. God bless.
13:30 Up next, we will honor the 80 first anniversary of d day by reflecting on the daring military move and the modern state of the American military. I will be speaking with
13:42 doctor Mark Levecki, a scholar and expert on war and ethics. We'll do it all when we come back. Stay with us right here on Washington Dodge.
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17:02 Welcome back to Washington Watch. I'm Joseph Backholm sitting in for Tony on this Friday evening. Today, June sixth, marks the 80 first anniversary, commemorating the soldiers who
17:14 gave their lives to defend freedom in the d day invasion. Marks an important reminder of how some landmark victories are achieved through great risk and sacrifice.
17:26 President Trump issued a statement today lauding, quote, the war fighters whose indescribable valor, fierce determination, and unwavering patriotism delivered this pivotal victory for the global
17:38 cause of freedom. Now does that sort of heroism still exist? Does it hold the same moral weight today? Here with me to reflect on this important day and the effect it's had is doctor
17:50 Mark Lavecki. He's a McDonald distinguished scholar of ethics, war, and public life at Providence Institute of Religion and Democracy. He's also an author of the book, The Good Kill,
18:02 Just War and Moral Injury, and a forthcoming book, Moral Horror, a Just War Defense of the Bombing of Hiroshima, which I'm sure will not be controversial at all. Doctor
18:13 Lavecki, welcome back to Washington Watch.
18:17 It's great to be here. Thanks for having me back. Not controversial at all.
18:20 I I'm sure it will not be, and we're gonna actually wait on that conversation for a moment. But but I would like just your thoughts about, why D Day is still important for us to remember
18:32 and reflect upon.
18:33 Yeah. Absolutely. If I can, riff on then president Roosevelt's, prayer to the nation as he alerted the nation of the forcible entry, into Europe then underway.
18:45 He said the following. He said, almighty god, our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor to preserve our republic, our religion, our civilization,
18:58 and to set free a suffering humanity. And I think in those lines, we see encapsulated everything that is important about d day. It reminded us if we needed the
19:10 reminder that freedom, liberty, life, human flourishing, the good, the true, and the beautiful are things that need to be fought for. And so we needed men that were
19:22 capable of fighting for them, and D Day represented that fact. And, yeah, it behooves us to remember that.
19:29 Yeah. Well, at the re at at the risk of insulting some members of our audience, we keep seeing some of these polls that say people don't even know who fought in the civil war. Right? So if you would, provide some
19:41 context and set the scene for us. What was happening? Why was D Day so important in our nation's history and, frankly, the world's history?
19:49 Yeah. For sure. I I don't know how far back I have to go, but I I I will remind everyone that World War 2 was, 1 of the, perhaps somewhat rare,
20:02 instantiations in which the line separating good from evil was crystal clear. America and her allies, were fighting against Hitler's Nazi Germany, and then over in the Asia Pacific,
20:14 fighting against militant Japan, Japanese militarism. But D Day itself, was the the first real opportunity that the allies had to open
20:26 up a second front. The Soviet Union, was busy fighting the Nazis in
20:31 the
20:31 east. Britain and the allies had already been pushed out of Europe, at the very beginning of the war. And this was the opportunity for Britain, for France, for the United States, for
20:43 Canada, to to enter, into Europe. And our orders were clear. General Marshall told general Eisenhower the following. He said to cross the
20:55 channel, to enter the heartland of Germany, and to liberate Europe. And so this was an opportunity for us to do that. It was Britain's triumphal reentry into Europe after having been pushed
21:06 out. And it was the first opportunity we had to open up that vital second front to relieve some of the tension, from the fight in the east and really to begin, the end
21:18 of the war in Europe.
21:22 Now we remember this day in in in ways that we don't necessarily honor every other battle and every other victory in in World War 2. It feels more significant
21:34 to us. At the time, did they see this as a pivotal turning point moment in World War 2?
21:42 Yeah. I I I would say yes. It's obviously it's easier for us because we have the benefit of hindsight where we know everything, everything ultimately went well. We won.
21:55 In the day, the contingency of war was still, you know, alive. Things were not yet settled. There was no guarantee, that the that even crossing the
22:06 channel would work. Contingency was everywhere, Sort of famously, for those who who enjoy the the historic weeds of the occasion,
22:18 Eisenhower, who was the commanding general at the time, had to make a decision, on on June fifth, yesterday, as to whether or not, we would in
22:30 fact, embark across the channel. They had been dealing with horrendous weather. On June fourth, he was told that the weather on June sixth would look good. There would
22:42 be a temporary, but significant break in the bad weather, and this was a good opportunity to go. It wasn't just a question of weather. You you also had to have good lunar conditions.
22:54 And on June sixth, there was the possibility that these things would come together, but it wasn't a sure thing. And he got a consensus of the allied command, and there was no consensus. So
23:06 he went to bed, the night between the fourth and the fifth, trying to decide whether or not to push off on the sixth. After a fitful couple hours, he decided to go. And so he reconvened the Allied
23:17 Command, and he, in his memoir, says he deliberated for about a minute. And then he stood up and he said, Let's go. And within 2 seconds, the room cleared and, the final preparations for D Day were
23:29 underway. So I think they knew it was significant, but it was no certain thing. He he visited the the troops, as they departed, most famously the airborne divisions of the
23:41 80 first and the hundred and first or the the I'm sorry. The 80 second and the hundred and first airborne. And their casualty predictions were as high as 75 percent. They did not know
23:53 whether they could pull the thing off. This was by far the largest amphibious assault ever, conducted in history, and Kijinsky was everywhere.
24:06 How innovative was it for the time?
24:10 Yeah. That's a great question. I I I'm not a technical expert, but I think there there was innovation all over the place. The landing craft were constantly being honed, you know, the the airborne assaults, new tactics,
24:21 new strategies. Some didn't go off so well. I think famously, you know, there was the glider division, you know, incredibly brave souls who who tried to, land behind
24:33 enemy lines in, wooden gliders. Those didn't really work quite so well, but innovation was everywhere. I think it was a technological wonder.
24:44 I'm gonna jump in right there, and I think we can hold you over if you can to the next, over the break because I'd love to continue this conversation as we remember D Day here on Washington Watch. Stay with
24:56 us. We'll be right back with more.
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27:02 Welcome back to Washington Watch. I'm Joseph Backholm sitting in for Tony, and and we are continuing our conversation with doctor Mark Levicki on the 80 first anniversary of d day, why
27:14 it's an important day in history, why it's important for us to continue to remember doctor Levicki. Thanks for hanging with us.
27:21 Pleasure.
27:22 Now I wanna dive a little deeper into something that you you touched on, about the likelihood of success because in my you know, the first kind of war moment I remember in my life was when we
27:34 invaded Iraq and took over Baghdad, and we overthrew Saddam Hussein. There was a lot of media coverage. We could kinda watch this. As Americans, it was interesting, but we felt no stress.
27:46 Right? There was like, we know the outcome of this. This is not a fair fight. We're going to do whatever we wanna do. How will people feeling? And I I know that there was not, like, advanced notice of d day. Right?
27:58 The American public didn't know about this. But even within the leadership and then when Americans learned it was happening, I mean, compare it to that moment, what was the likelihood of success, or to what degree were
28:09 they like, we hope this works, but we just don't know?
28:15 I I think throughout the day, itself, it was, it was a mere thing. There were certain points on certain beaches. Right? I mean, we've got to remember that this
28:27 was an endeavor that spanned, you know, 156000 troops trying to forcibly enter Europe from the sea, 7000 ships, 11000
28:38 support and attack aircraft, over a 50 mile, beach. Right? The numbers are staggering. And all throughout that day, periodically, it
28:50 looked as if the thing would not come off, and that we would be pushed off certain beaches and have to go back, attempt to go back, to the ships. But we pressed forward.
29:03 You know, Theodore Roosevelt Junior, the son of President Roosevelt, was in command of the attack on Utah Beach. They they were, because of strong currents,
29:14 thrown, fairly dramatically off course. And, you know, he famously sort of said, well, our our war begins here. And they were they were well away from where they were supposed to be, but they innovated,
29:26 they adapted, they overcame, they, you know, they went back to to the place we were supposed to have started from, and they continued their war. And so it was it was always a near thing, but it was, it was
29:38 the strength of the allied cause. It was their, their moral resolve, and it was their ability to innovate under duress in very time compressed scenarios that that won the day.
29:51 And, Mark, that is a great description of kind of the big picture, but let's talk about the individual soldiers because, you know, a war is fought by people, individuals with their own lives and stories and concerns. And
30:02 and we always we've seen those images of the the boats and the door opens and everybody just storms out the front into gunfire. Some of them never even got back above the water. Like, terrible stories of what happens.
30:14 What motivates a a soldier in that circumstance to go forward when they're commanded to despite the situation?
30:23 Yeah. It it's a great question. It's an important question. It's 1 that I can't answer directly. Right? I have friends who have fought. I have never been shot at in combat. But I think there
30:34 are multiple answers to it. There are the ideals and the ideas that motivate someone to join the military in the first place. World War II, maybe many
30:46 of the military were already in, but there were an awful lot of post Pearl Harbor volunteers. Many of them will simply say they were angry. Their nation had been attacked.
30:58 Friends overseas were under duress, and they wanted to fight back. But then when you get into combat itself, you know, these high ideals of liberty and all sorts of other things begin to fall away a little bit. They're
31:09 probably in the back of the mind. But it comes down to it in the moment, as I understand it, you simply wanna protect the men to your left and to your right. And nowadays, you know, the men or the women to your left or
31:20 to your right. You simply want to keep them safe. And so, you know, there is the mission and the mission is before them, but it's also just protecting their friends, and a desire to get back home.
31:33 You know, the high ideals are always on their mind, I'm sure. But I think, in the moment, it comes down to the very basic things. You wanna be safe. You wanna keep your friends safe.
31:42 Yeah. Part of the reason we try to understand history is because we wanted to inform how we live today and the things that we do. Secretary of defense Pete Hegseth made a statement
31:54 today, and he was part of that.
31:55 Let's play clip 7.
31:57 Because we strive for peace, we must prepare for war and hopefully deter it. Because history is not over. Evil
32:09 has not been eradicated from the globe. Good men are still needed to stand up.
32:19 Is that true, Mark?
32:21 Hundred percent. That is that is a hundred percent true. There are some fights that need to be fought. A there there is not a,
32:33 most I'll say it this way. Most American soldiers are not looking for a fight. Given their preference, they would rather live in peace. But they recognize that the choice is not always up to us. Our adversaries,
32:46 have a choice. They have a vote. And the just warriors always, only responding to evils that are already in place. We're not we're not inaugurating fights. We're not
32:58 starting new violence. We're responding to injustices that are already happening. If a fight needs to be fought, then we need the ability to fight it both as
33:10 individuals, but also as a nation. And so I think a nation has an obligation, comes out of the Dominion mandate, to cultivate that kind of power that is necessary to protect the innocent, to take back things that have
33:21 been wrongly taken, and to punish sufficiently great evil. And America in that day, on d day, demonstrated that when the call came, we answered it, and we were not found wanting. Our boys
33:33 then performed magnificently. And I think this this generation of war fighters that we've seen coming out of the global war on terror have performed magnificently, and those are lessons that must never be
33:44 forgotten.
33:46 Doctor Mark Lavecki, thank you so much for your time. Pleasure. Stay tuned for our biblical worldview segment with my colleague, David Claussen. We'll be right back with more.Show more
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