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Political Updates and Legislative Insights 0:00 From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, DC, bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and sound bites into conversations with our nation's leaders and0:12 newsmakers, all from a biblical world view. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Jody Hice.0:20 Good afternoon, and welcome to this Thursday edition of Washington Watch. I am Jody Hice, senior fellow here at the Family Research Council and very much honored to be filling in today for Tony. We've got a0:32 lot to bring your way today, including these following headlines. In the wee hours of this morning, the senate has now passed president Trump's first rescissions package. That is0:44 a package that will be clawing back some 9000000000 dollars of wasteful spending that the American taxpayers have been, put out on. And the it would be going to programs0:56 that would be doing advancement of the leftist propaganda instead of American priorities.1:03 Last night, for the first time since 19 93, 19 93, we're now 20 25. First time in all of that time, the senate came and stripped out1:15 the spending by passing a bill on the United States senate floor last night to finally say enough is enough of this kind of reckless1:26 Washington spending.1:29
1:41 is the latest on all of that? Well, Texas congressman Keith Self, who's a member of the House Freedom Caucus, among other things. He will be joining me here in just a couple of moments to give us an update on
1:53 that rescissions package. And in New York City, well, you probably have heard of it now, the self proclaimed democratic socialist who is a candidate to be the next mayor, Zoran
2:05 Mamdani. He's working to charm the broader Democrat coalition. In fact, he was in Washington DC yesterday with members of congress, including senator Bernie Sanders and congresswoman
2:17 Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. But a lot of people are extremely concerned about Mamdani for multiple reasons, but much of the concerns even are coming from Democrats.
2:29 But we'll unpack some of those issues later when I'm joined by author and columnist Larry Taunton. And speaking of concerns, there are many now who are
2:41 sounding the alarm on the current effort of the World Health Organization to acquire more and more power for itself despite the disastrous response they had to COVID
2:52 19. Probably 1 of the greatest leaders in the effort to bring awareness to people is Frank Gaffney. He's the president of the Institute Institute for the American Future, and he will be joining me
3:04 later in the program to talk about what's going on and what needs to be done about it. And then to close out the program today, I'll be joined by doctor George Barna to discuss
3:15 a fascinating report that he has on how states rank when it comes to a biblical worldview. So do you wanna know where your state stacks up? Well, stick around for that
3:27 conversation, which we'll have a little bit later in the program. So we've got a lot coming your way as we always do. You don't wanna miss any of it. But if by chance you do, you can always catch it by going to our
3:38 website, tony perkins dot com. Alright. Let's jump into the program for today. As I mentioned a while ago, something very, very special happened on Capitol Hill earlier today. It's something that has
3:50 literally not happened in over 3 decades. The senate approved a rescission packet to claw back some 9000000000 dollars in
4:02 federal funding. This would impact a host of things, such as NPR, PBS, several foreign aid programs and so forth. But the vote was extremely close.
4:14 In fact, there were 2 Republicans, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski, who voted with the Democrats against the bill. But nonetheless, it passed by, 51 to 48, and it's
4:26 now in the house. So what's next with this bill? Joining me now to discuss this and much more is congressman Keith Self. He's a member of the House Freedom Caucus and a
4:38 mover and shaker right on the tip of the spear on so many issues. He represents the third congressional district of Texas. Congressman Self, it's always an honor and a pleasure to welcome you back to
4:49 Washington Watch. Good to see you. Great to
4:52 see you, Jody. Thank you.
4:55 Alright. So, man, this rescissions package is, exciting news. It's making it over a bunch of hurdles. Give us the latest on where this stands. Well, right now, apparently, the rules committee
5:06 in the house is going to meet at 6 PM, and they will develop the rule. There will be some debate, and we'll vote on the rescissions package either tonight or tomorrow sometime to be determined. That's the
5:18 latest. That's all I can tell you.
5:20 Alright. So that's the latest on the the process of the bill. What are your thoughts on the version of the bill that the senate voted on and that they have now sent over to each of you there in the house?
5:32 Well, you earlier said in the we morning hours of the morning, I will tell you we they made a wee cut 9000000000 dollars, which is 1 tenth of 1 percent of the budget,
5:43 to to take out fraud, waste, and abuse. This is nothing. It it it's worse than a drop in the bucket. This is nothing. This is a test case, Jody. This is a test case to see if the senate
5:55 and the house can make any cuts, because president, Trump ran on getting rid of fraud, waste, and abuse. That's what the rescission packages do. And believe
6:07 you me, it's not the last rescission package we will see from the Trump administration. This 1 expires though tomorrow night at midnight. So the house has got to take up the senate version, pass it.
6:19 Yes. We'll pass it even though they cut a little bit out of it. But this is a precedent setting bill that the senate can, yes, cut some money.
6:29 I'm really glad you brought that up, congressman Sealth, because, yeah, this is a it is a number 1, it it is a drop in the bucket when it comes to, trying to cut back wasteful spending and so forth. But nonetheless,
6:41 it is a drop, and it is a step in the right direction. But the senate really struggled over this. And yet you say and I'm hearing as well, we're hearing that there will be additional rescission packages
6:53 coming. Do you think that those future packages, can pass the senate again? I don't have any doubt that you can pass it in the house, but do you think future rescission packages can make
7:05 it through the senate?
7:06 Well, I don't know, but I think every package that the administration sends over will have a fight on its hand, to get through the senate. There's no doubt about it. The senate does 1 thing better than anyone
7:18 else in the nation, and that's spend money.
7:22 Wow. Well, it's, we're gonna look we're gonna be keeping a a close watch on this, of course. This is, as you said, a precedent setting bill that's here. It's been a long, long time
7:34 since we've seen anything like this, and I'm excited that it did make it pass the the senate, and, we'll keep a close watch on where it goes from here. If I can switch gears with you a
7:45 little bit, I've been in touch, in touch with some other members of the Freedom Caucus, which you, of course, you are a a leader there. And I understand that there's been, a a I cannot say
7:57 a deal reached, an agreement to advance president Trump's cryptocurrency agenda. A lot of folks don't understand cryptocurrency. I've got a lot of questions about it myself. But tell us overall, if you
8:09 can, a little bit about that.
8:12 Well, there were 3 bills. There was 1 bill to establish a framework. That's very important. There was a 1 bill, 1 bill to unlock, banks and and and the wealthy to be able
8:24 to buy digital assets. And there was 1 bill in my mind, the most important bill was to ban a central bank digital currency. We do not want the federal government
8:36 being able to, use a central bank digital currency. That would give the federal government totally trans total transparency of your bank account and your spending.
8:48 This is we look, we've got facial recognition already. We've got license plate readers. So this would have finished it off with the financial transparency to the federal government and frankly, the power
9:00 to say no. You wanna buy a big Texas pickup? No. You can't do that. You wanna buy a weapon of some sort? No. You can't do that. You wanna buy potentially a bible? Maybe
9:12 not. If the federal government was run by people who believed in the government having say so over your financial future.
9:22 So where is this going? This whole cryptocurrency thing is a digital currency, and thank you. By the way, you and the members of the Freedom Caucus were standing against this central bank overseeing
9:34 and having the ability to provide surveillance over, that digital currency. But is this going to take over the dollar? Is there a threat of that? Are we moving towards a digital
9:46 currency across the border? Or is this this another type of currency that American people will be able to utilize?
9:55 Well, right now, it's another type of currency, and there are several different types. We don't have time to go into all of them. But my colleague, Warren Davidson, is very concerned that 1 of the issues needs to be not
10:06 only surveillance, but that you maintain self custody of your assets. In other words, you get to move them around without going through a third party. You don't have to have a third party, again, that has transparency
10:18 into your transactions. You control your assets even though they're digital assets.
10:26 It's gonna be very interesting. I I think a lot of, and I know I've spoken with Warren Davidson as well about this. And you're right. He is a a master on all of this and has been involved in the conversations
10:38 from early on. But this whole cryptocurrency thing is gaining momentum, and it's going to be something that we're going to have to deal with at some point. So, again, thanks to you
10:50 and your colleagues in the Freedom Caucus for doing everything you can to at least make sure that privacy is maintained with those who utilize a cryptocurrency. Speaking of the Freedom Caucus, congressman himself, let me
11:02 ask you this. There and and I know better, but I've heard it. And it's, and it's being widespread through the legacy media. Among people who are saying the
11:13 Freedom Caucus has caved when it comes to various demands, whenever there is something that conflicts with president Trump that the Freedom Caucus caves and just does what president
11:25 Trump wants. How do you respond to that kind of, allegation?
11:31 Well, the old saying is the devil is in the details. And we look at the details of some issues, the 1 big beautiful bill, 2 weeks ago, this week, the
11:43 the cryptocurrency. We are doing everything we can to push our conference to the right, to maintain personal responsibility, freedom,
11:54 freedom of speech, freedoms across the board. In this case, privacy of your finances. We are taking the lead and making sure that everything that we pass ad adheres as much as
12:06 possible to the concept of freedom, free speech, personal responsibility. So while people say we fold, we move everything here as far as we can toward the
12:18 freedom end of the spectrum. And at the end of the day, when we have done everything we can do, we say we have done everything we can do, and we agree to move, the very important issue
12:30 forward. We're not folding. We're moving it as far as we can.
12:36 Yeah. And, and you're doing a masterful job at it. But, of course, I was a part of the Freedom Caucus as well, in fact, an original member of the Freedom Caucus. And Right. I tell you, they're they're just warriors,
12:47 absolute warriors in the Freedom Caucus. And I have watched and, of course, been in many conversations with, with various members and seeing how effective,
13:00 HFC has been in moving the needle of the entire conference further to the right has just been remarkable. And, it's it's you know, this is a group that really is being a
13:12 voice for millions of Americans who believe they've lost their voice in Washington. So thank you so much. Jody. Congressman Keith Self. Yes.
13:21 Jody, you know better than refund because you're a founding member. You know that the mission of the Freedom Caucus is to move the conference as far as we can toward freedom, end of the spectrum. You know better than
13:32 anyone. Our our mission is not to take anything down. It's to move it to the right.
13:38 Move it to the right. Congressman Keith Self, House Freedom Caucus, Texas, thank you so much. Great job. Keep it up. Thank you. Alright, friends. Coming up next, we're gonna look at
Political Figures and Ideological Shifts
13:50 a troubling rise coming out of New York City's mayoral candidate. Boy, you don't, wanna miss what's coming up. We'll cover it right after the break. Stay tuned.
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17:04 Welcome back to a Washington Watch. Good afternoon. I'm Jody Hice. An honor to be filling in today for Tony. Alright. The Democratic nominee for New York City mayor, Zoran
17:15 Mamdani, he is what do we know about him? He's a 33 year old self proclaimed Democratic socialist, and I think it's fair to say he certainly has become the darling of the left after
17:27 he beat, former governor Andrew Cuomo in the primary last month. But assemblyman, from New York, Mamdani, he was actually in DC yesterday. He was meeting with
17:39 congress woman Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and other Democrats. They met at the National Democratic Club. He's trying to build his coalition so that, he can
17:51 obviously, he wants to be in the Gracie Mansion there in New York, next year. But, certainly, he is an individual who has a lot of questions floating all
18:02 around him. Probably not the least of which for some of us watching and listening right now is what is a democratic socialist, and what do we know about Mamdani's
18:14 background? Well, here with his thoughts is author and freelance columnist, Larry Taunton. Larry, welcome back to Washington Watch. Always an honor to have you.
18:25 It's always good to be with you.
18:28 Okay. So for those who may not, be tracking the mayor race in New York City or, New York City's politics in general, catch us up a little
18:40 bit on who is, Zoran Mamdani, what's his background, and what are his views as a self proclaimed Democrat socialist?
18:52 Well, what I'm gonna say here is, is perhaps controversial, and I'm just giving you my own opinion here. But I think he's I I think he's disguising who he
19:04 really is. Mom Donnie gives the impression, that he is a socialist, actually a communist, a hardcore communist, though they deny that that's actually what he is. But, you
19:16 know, it's really my argument that he is first and foremost a Muslim. I mean, we do have him recorded, you know, speaking of how it's his desire to bring more Muslims,
19:28 you know, into the country. And you see the the the larger plan for Islam is that they have discovered that the path to power in America is through
19:40 socialism. They they look at, London, Britain itself as a whole is really the, is the model. You have, Saqib Khan's, you know, London there. He's a,
19:52 sort of a soft socialist as the way that he packages himself, but they've actually you know, they're waging war on, on white people in particular, on the Christian faith in
20:04 particular, free speech while opening the floodgates to, Muslims coming into that country. And the result of that is, is nothing short of, you know,
20:16 frightening. I was a student in London, in the early nineties, and the way that country is now is it's been totally transformed by Islam. And, and that's the model here. And so
20:28 I think that that Muslims have realized that their path here isn't to come as open Muslims who desire to create a caliphate, but rather to come as socialists.
20:40 That's a great comparison and something I think that provides a wake up call for everyone. What do we know about, his father, Mahmood Mamdani? And, specifically, what I'm thinking about is his
20:52 anti Israel views.
20:55 Well, I don't think we know is that he's a guy who is, you know, is is made a a case for suicide bombing, that he
21:06 sees it as a legitimate, form of, of warfare. And, and that again takes me back to Islam because, you see, this is this is actually quite
21:18 consistent with what Islam is. It's quite consistent with the Quran. And you see, Muslims something that Americans just simply do not understand and having spent so much time, you know,
21:30 in the Middle East, as I have in reporting on Islam, debating Muslims on Al Jazeera. I've debated them in Hyde Park, London, which is where, the real radicals, you
21:42 know, hang out. I've debated them on, CNN International. Islam holds that it's morally acceptable to
21:54 lie if it advances the cause of Allah, if it advances the cause of Islam, and this is why I argue that he's not a socialist. He he knows
22:06 that that the way to win, particularly in New York and with millennials and Gen Zers, is through socialism. And so, no, they're not open about what their plan is here and, of course,
22:17 his desire to create all of this, you know, free housing and so forth. I I would be willing, to, to bet a substantial amount. I know I I know this isn't what
22:29 we do here, but that his plan is to fill that housing with Muslim immigrants. That is the goal. I mean, this is a guy who's also stated that it's his desire
22:41 to increase taxes on white people. So now while he's saying that, we're watching what's happening, in Minneapolis where we have a political
22:53 candidate there who has stated very much the same thing. So you see, this is very much consistent with, say, someone like Ilhan Omar. I've always argued Ilhan Omar is not first and foremost a socialist.
23:05 She is a fifth columnist. She is trying to advance Islam.
23:12 Absolutely. So what do you take of his win in this primary? What does it say about the Democratic Party?
23:20 Well, the Democrat Party of you know, my father was a lifelong Democrat. He died in 2006 and probably fairly typical of many Democrats. My father was, you know, what
23:32 was once called a Reagan Democrat. The the last Democrat president he voted for was Jimmy Carter, and he lived to regret that. Meaning that that this is not a Democrat party
23:44 that his generation would recognize at all. He would love this country. Wasn't for open borders. I mean, that that Democrat party is dead. This is a radicalized
23:55 Democrat party that is seeking the annihilation. You know, I I used to say that it was the annihilation of borders and, to flip red states into blue states. That's all part
24:07 of it. But what their their ultimate goal is the destruction of American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism is real. And it was Obama who first, you know, kind of stated this. And they
24:19 know that that that the the keystone that sits above the doorway of of of freedom around the world is the United States, and they they know that the key to that, what undergirds it is, of course, the Christian faith.
24:32 Right. Amazing. I wish we had more time. I look forward to have you on, Larry some more to talk about this further. But thank you, Larry Taunton, author and freelance columnist. Great insight. We appreciate
24:44 it very much. Appreciate you coming on. Alright, Fred. COVID 19 pan the pandemic may be over, but the World Health Organization, they're still going full force. And we've
Global Health Governance and Sovereignty
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27:03 Good afternoon. Welcome back to Washington Watch. An honor to have you joining us today. I'm Jody Heise and pleased to be filling in for Tony. Alright. The COVID
27:15 19 pandemic. Alright. We look at it now, from the rear view mirror, but that does not mean that the World Health Organization has forgotten
27:27 the unprecedented amount of power that nations willingly handed these so called experts. And we all watched in shock
27:39 as they did some of the things they did. Well, this coming Saturday, they're going to attempt to recover some of that unprecedented power. July nineteenth is a deadline for countries to
27:51 reject the 20 24 amendments to the World World Health Organization's International Health Regulations. So what does all that mean? And probably
28:02 more importantly, is there anything that can be done about it? Well, joining me now to discuss this is Frank Gaffney. He's the president of the Institute for America's Future. And he also is the host of
28:14 Securing America, which is heard on Real America's Voice Network. Frank, welcome back to Washington Watch. It's an honor to have you, my
28:24 friend. Well, it's great to be with you, congressman. Thank you so much.
28:28 Well, listen. I don't know of anyone who has kept up with this particular issue more than you. You and I have had multiple conversations about the power of the World Health Organization.
28:40 So let me ask with let me start with this question. Is the US in any way a party to this international health regulations that who is
28:52 in control of?
28:54 Well, it's a a very important question, and I think it depends really on what is done by president Trump in the next 2 or 3 days.
29:07 As things stand right now under the Biden administration, which was only too happy to see global governance
29:19 advocates, like the World Health Organization, like the United Nations, like the World Economic Forum, and associated, you know, multinational companies
29:31 who have been driving this train that what we need is a is a new world order, 1 that is run by elites who are not accountable, who are, you know, not elected to
29:43 rule us, but who will nonetheless have the authority to do so. They have, as a result of championing, in the Biden years, something
29:55 called the amendments to the International Health Regulations, which actually predate the creation of the World Health Organization. So the
30:06 World Health Organization, you know, is sort of the entity that, you know, applies them and implements them and so on. But the the reason I'm I'm gonna make all this plain is
30:18 that, just because president Trump, to his great credit, has said we're getting out of the World Health Organization effective as soon as possible, which is January of next
30:30 year, we will still be bound by these international health regulations and the amendments thereto that were adopted last year if he does
30:42 not say we're out of that too. And so Wow. You as you mentioned in your opening, it's critically important that the president take this action of
30:53 formally notifying the, the UN, the World Health Organization that we are not gonna be bound by these amended health regulations, and for good reasons, Jody. They they are very
31:05 troubling on a couple of different scores if you'd like to get into that piece.
31:09 Yeah. Let's get in that. We've only got a couple of minutes left. But, so we have till July nineteenth, this Saturday. If it does not happen, how would the United States be obligated? What how
31:21 how would that impact our sovereignty or whatever else would be impacted?
31:26 Well, there there are basically 4 different ways. 1 is that the amendments transform the World Health Organization's director general from a guy
31:37 who provides, you know, advice which nations can take or not take about, so called public health emergencies of international concern. It changes that into being able
31:49 unilaterally to declare 1 1 exists and then to dictate what nations have to be about to do to, implement his guidelines for addressing that public health
32:01 emergency of international concern. So that's 1 way you would see a direct affront to our sovereignty. Another is that it talks about censorship arrangements. We saw a lot of that,
32:13 as you were mentioning, in connection with COVID 19. That's an affront to our sovereignty and our personal freedoms if we're being told you can't say certain things because they don't conform to the dictates
32:25 of the World Health Organization. Another is a sort of surveillance state quality. They wanna create digital IDs for every man, woman, and child on the planet, and
32:37 they want everybody in the name of having the ability to, monitor their health conditions to provide intensive personal details about
32:47 Frank, let me ask you this. What what can what can our audience do to try to stop this power grab? We've got about 30 seconds.
32:55 Well, I'll just say the fourth thing is that there are also financial implications as well. We're gonna have to spend money if we're told to do so. The bottom line is this. Get in touch with the White House. I
33:07 believe the switchboard there is 2 0 2 4 5 6 1 4 1 4, if I'm not mistaken. Please let president Trump know you want him to act to reject, affirmatively
33:18 reject these international health regulations and spare us the assault on our sovereignty and personal freedoms.
33:25 Now is the time to let your voice be heard. Frank Gaffney, president of the Institute for American Future, thank you so much for joining us. You've been on top of this issue for a long time. God bless you for it.
33:37 Thank you for joining us on
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