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A Biblical Perspective on Current Events 0:01 From the heart of our nation's capital in Washington, DC, bringing compelling interviews, insightful analysis, taking you beyond the headlines and sound bites into conversations with our nation's leaders and newsmakers,0:13 all from a biblical world view. Sitting in for Tony is today's host, Jody Hice.0:20 Well, good afternoon. Hope you are having a fantastic day. Welcome to this edition of Washington Watch. I am Jody Hice, a senior fellow here at the Family Research Council and deeply honored to be filling in0:32 for Tony this month. Alright. Coming up on today's broadcast.0:37 On Friday morning, president Trump will travel across the country to Anchorage, Alaska for a bilateral meeting with pre Russian president Vladimir Putin. President Trump is determined to try and end this0:49 war and stop the killing.0:52 Alright. So the White House just announced that the upcoming meeting between president Trump and Putin will take place in Anchorage, Alaska. So now all eyes are on there, and we'll be1:04 discussing the possibility of ending the war between Russia and Ukraine. But in the midst of it all, everyone's asking, can Putin really even be trusted? Well, congressman Nathaniel Moran1:16 will be joining me here in just a few moments to discuss this, and we'll also unpack with him some of the latest, news surrounding the war in Israel as now we have several American allies who are1:28 poised to recognize a Palestinian state. And the shock waves continue. Yes. Shock waves are being felt as president Trump
1:40 announced yesterday and signed the executive order declaring a crime and emergency in the city of, Washington DC.
1:49 We know that access to our democracy is tenuous. That is why you have heard me and many, many Washingtonians before me
2:01 advocate for full statehood for the District of Columbia. And while this action today is unsettlingly and unprecedented, I can't say that given some of the rhetoric of
2:13 the past that we're totally surprised.
2:18 Well, that was DC mayor Muriel Bowser yesterday reacting to the takeover and congressman Clay Higgins will be here in just a little while to give his reaction to the executive
2:30 order. And he'll be drawing on his personal experience in law enforcement as well as the military and congress. And then we'll also be hearing today from doctor John Lott with the Crime
2:42 Prevention Research Center, previewing the potential impact of this executive order on Washington DC. And then he's also gonna be explaining some very interesting information
2:54 that the crime data that has been used in Washington DC allegedly has been distorted. And that goes all the way back even to the FBI under the Biden administration. So
3:06 that ought to be a very interesting conversation. And then lastly, today we'll dive deeper into Family Research Council's new hostility against churches in the United States report And the
3:17 president and founder of Lionheart International Services Group, Tim Miller, will join me. And catch this. He will offer ways that you can help protect your church from a
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3:41 always catch it at our website tony perkins dot com. And by the way, let me just give a quick programming note if I may, as it relates to the hostility against churches report
3:53 tomorrow. You don't want to miss that program. We're going to hear from a pastor whose church and parsonage was literally burned to the ground. And so he'll be bringing us personal information
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4:18 more about it later, but our pray vote stand summit is coming up in Chino Hills, California on October seventeenth and eighteenth. You can register and or get more information by going to
4:30 pray vote stand dot org. Alright. Let's jump into our first item for today. You heard it just a little while ago. The White House press secretary Carolyn Lavett has finally let
4:41 the American people know that the meeting between president Trump and Putin will take place in Anchorage, Alaska. Well, that's fine, but seems like everyone is asking the real question. Can
4:53 the Russian leader be trusted at a as an honest broker at that upcoming meeting? Well, joining me now to discuss this and more is congressman Nathaniel Moran. He's a member of the House
5:05 Ways and Means Committee as well as the Ethics Committee and the Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party. He represents the first congressional district of the lone star state of Texas. Congressman
5:17 Moran, welcome back to Washington Watch. Always great to have you.
5:21 Thanks, Jody. It's always great to be with you.
5:24 Alright. So, we've got this meeting coming up in Anchorage, Alaska between presidents Trump and Putin. But even as we speak right now, it seems as though Russian
5:36 troops are making an aggressive incursion into Ukraine. So the question everyone seems to be asking right now is can Putin be trusted as he seems to just be
5:48 going through the motions right now at a potential peace deal with Ukraine. What's your thoughts about all this?
5:54 Jody, the answer is simple, and that is no. Putin cannot be trusted. And I think that's been clear from the very beginning that, Putin has strung this along even when, president
6:06 Trump came into office saying very specifically, this was 1 of the very first things he wanted to accomplish was peace in Europe, and that means, a deal and a and a and a peace treaty between
6:18 Russia and Ukraine. And Putin really has not been a a good faith actor from the beginning. I don't expect that he will be a good faith actor going forward.
6:27 Wow. Very concerning. I and it's true. I mean, everyone's gonna be watching this thing and and seeing what's going to come out of it. If I can shift gears to you, you've been,
6:39 awfully busy not only in congress but as you're, taking time in August to be in your district and abroad. But, there's the international conflict on the other side between
6:51 Israel and Hamas that continues to take place. And you were recently in Israel with speaker Mike Johnson, and also while you were there, you visited Judea and Samaria as I understand
7:03 it. Give me your thoughts of what you saw while you're over there and your thoughts as to what's happening, in that particular war.
7:11 Yeah. That that conflict is is certainly regrettable because it it didn't have to happen. And, this trip with speaker Johnson and some other members of congress was really remarkable. It's a it's a
7:23 great reminder that there is evil in this world, and we have to defeat that that evil. But but it was also a reminder as you travel as we travel through Judea and Samaria, this is the first time the speaker of the house
7:34 has been in that region, inside what they call the blue line. We talked to both, Arabs and Israelis that want peace and want stability in the region. When you get outside of the
7:45 religious fervor of Hamas and Hezbollah and the terrorist groups that are inflicting so much damage. You find a lot of, people there on both sides of the Arab Israeli,
7:58 conflict seemingly that want that same thing. They want stability of peace in the region, and there's opportunity for it. But, truly, there's some bad actors even beyond those, those groups when you look at what's
8:09 going on in Syria and you look at, what is is happening in in other regions of of the Middle East that's impacting, the ability of Israel to really have that safety and security. We were
8:21 in in the Gaza right outside the Gaza Strip and the southern border where the kibbutz, was that got, got invaded. 1 of the kibbutz that got invaded on on October seventh and and at the
8:33 NOVA Festival site, we heard from 1 of the NOVA survivors. We, met with, sheikhs and and, in the, Westbank area, the Judea Samaria area that
8:45 that talked about their fear of Hamas and, Hezbollah. We were on the Golan Heights, and we were up there getting the defense briefing, seeing what what could come in from Syria
8:57 and understanding really the difficulties that are going on inside of Syria where they are inflicting terrorism on their own groups, including, peace loving groups, peace loving Arabs like the the
9:09 Druze. And so there is conflict all around Israel, and there is a need for and a possibility for a path to peace, but it can't be through the Palestinian authority, and it can't be through,
9:21 acquiescence to the terrorism that's going on through Hamas and Hezbollah.
9:27 So there there's a desire for peace. There are good actors. There are bad actors. And then I think there's some actors that are just simply confused. And that would include places like Great Britain and France and
9:38 Germany and now even Australia. All of them coming out, planning to recognize a Palestinian state. Congressman, what what are our allies
9:50 not getting about the reality that a 2 state so called solution will never bring peace?
9:58 Yeah. I don't know where where their difficulty is in understanding this, but but you're right. I mean, the your the European countries and Canada and and others around the world that wanna simply just, try to get
10:10 to the most simple, endpoint and say, well, this is gonna work. Well, they're they're wrong. And and truth be told, I would be shocked if many of them have even visited the region. When we were
10:22 there, we were also talking with ambassador Huckabee about, what he'd seen and what he perceives, and there is opportunity for peace. But it's gotta come from within, and that's 1 of the things is the external
10:34 world cannot force it on, that region, particularly Judea, Samaria. They cannot force peace in a certain way there. It's gotta come from within where, the people groups in that area have to say,
10:46 this is what we want. This is, this is how we wanna get there. And then they need support from the west, from the United States in particular, and they said that. And from
10:57 Israel, from a security standpoint, they all recognize that there are going to be terrorist groups that don't like change and don't like stability.
11:08 Really good insight on all of that. Let me shift gears with you real quickly in just a couple of moments that we have left. A a Democrat whistleblower has come forward stating that, they were actually
11:19 in a meeting with then congressman, now senator, Adam Schiff who authorized the leaking of documents that would certainly paint president Trump in a derogatory manner.
11:32 When did all this happen, and what are we learning in all of this so far?
11:36 Yeah. This, as it's coming out, we we knew some of this going through some of our oversight judiciary, in the last year that that we knew that, Schiff was not acting in good faith,
11:48 another bad actor that that was trying to undermine president Trump Trump's run for president in 2016. And so, we didn't know the extent of what you're seeing today, what the whistleblower is coming out and saying that
12:00 Schiff had actually released some of these, secure documents, confident confidential documents to try to undermine that run for president in 2016. But it shouldn't surprise anybody. If if
12:12 anybody has been following Adam Schiff for any amount of time, they know, the truth is elusive with him, and he's happy to speak, something other than the truth so long
12:24 as it's politically advantageous to him or the Democrats. And that's why, actually, when I came into congress in the hundred and eighteenth congress, even Kevin McCarthy back then, he said, Adam Schiff can no longer be,
12:36 on the intelligence committee. We just can't have him on there because he had been, he had been falsely stating things outside of those committee hearings that he knew, was not true based on information that he was being
12:48 given in those hearings. So, we we now know even from a Democrat, whistleblower that, more of that was going on, but shouldn't surprise us. That's Adam Schiff. It's it's a lack of character,
13:00 and, unfortunately, that's the person that California has chosen to have them, have have representation for them in in the senate. That's really unfortunate.
13:09 Yeah. It really is. It's gonna be very, very interesting to see where FBI director Kash Patel takes all of this. And and just the fact that Adam Schiff is no longer in the house, but over in the senate, how is all this
13:20 going to ultimately be addressed? Thank you, congressman Nathaniel Moran of Texas. Always great to have you. Appreciate you coming on the program and giving your great insight.
13:31 Jody, it's always great to be here with you. Thank you to you at Tony and Washington Watch for all the folks with for what you do to keep us in tune with where we need to be, from a Christian worldview and, the political
13:42 cultural battles of the day.
13:45 Thank you so much. Alright, friends. Next, law enforcement officer and current congressman Clay Higgins is going to react to Trump's declaration of an emergency safety problem in our
13:57 nation's counts, capital coming up next. Stay tuned.
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17:02 Welcome back to Washington Watch. So glad to have you. I'm Jody Heiss. I'm honored today to be filling in for Tony, and thank you as well for joining us. Alright. The dust is still hasn't even
17:14 completely settled from President Trump's huge announcement yesterday that he plans to have Attorney General Pam Bondi literally take command of the Metropolitan
17:26 Police Department. That is the police department that runs a local, District of Columbia, in Washington. And his executive order even went further than
17:38 that laying out finer details that he is also going to be deploying the National Guard there in our nation's capital to assist the Metropolitan Police in trying to bring crime down.
17:49 So there's a lot of major developments and the question is what is all this going to mean in practice And also, how can congress partner with the president in addressing some of these crime issues in DC?
18:01 Well, joining me now to discuss this is congressman Clay Higgins. He's a member of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee, which by the way, the 2 of us got to serve together on that committee. He's also a
18:12 member of the Homeland Security Committee and the Armed Services Committee. He represents the third congressional district of the great state of Louisiana. He's also an army veteran and a law enforcement
18:24 officer. Congressman Higgins, welcome back to Washington Watch. Great to see you.
18:29 Thank you, Jody. It's good to see you, sir.
18:33 Alright. Well, you are, law enforcement officer, member of the oversight committee. Overall, what's your reaction to president Trump's takeover plan, if you will, of Washington DC and the
18:45 crime problem there?
18:49 Well, I wouldn't call it a takeover. I mean, he's he's following the law. He's gonna abide by the existing law that, allows the executive to,
19:03 control and greatly influence the Metropolitan Police Department for a period of time in 1 city in the United entire United States. That's our capital. So our
19:15 our capital, you know, should be the shining jewel, exemplifying the the law and order and core principles of our nation.
19:27 And under Democrat rule for for as long as anyone can remember, certainly in the course of my life is Washington DC has been
19:38 totally controlled by Democrats at the local level. So those policies have led to, heinous crime and horrible conditions in
19:50 our nation's capital. So maybe, Jody, the real question should be, but, sir, why have we allowed this to happen for so long in our country? I think he's very
20:02 clear that that we should take corrective action and the president is doing just that. And he'll abide by the law, in in the process of restoring law and order and
20:14 decency to our to our nation's capital. But, you know, why did we as a people allow it to, drift so far from the core principles that made our
20:25 country great?
20:27 I think that's a great question. Great question. So your experience, I mean, you're you're there as a member of congress now, but you also has have tremendous experience in law enforcement yourself as far as well as
20:38 military. So what have you witnessed there as far as areas that need improvement with the Metropolitan Police? What would you encourage or what do you anticipate attorney general Pam Bondi to do
20:50 to try to help this the, Metropolitan Police Department there?
20:57 Well, the the city, Jody, as you know, you're a regular visitor there, and we're always happy to see you. And I I was honored to have served with you, sir. And we
21:09 we just serve our nation in a different capacity now. And and I very much appreciate your current position in allowing me to speak to these things. I'm just a humble servant of We The
21:21 People. So what I share regarding my observations are not political at all. And as you know me pretty good, you know, I I generally I don't even consider myself
21:33 a politician. So just as a American citizen, a regular man, our nation's capital, is exhibiting some of the the worst
21:45 things that you'll see in any city, anywhere. The the crime, the nastiness that you'll see in the streets, and homeless,
21:57 men and women that have that that that just have have dominant presence in areas where people come from, to see our city from
22:09 across the world. And it have homeless men and women there that are are not only sort of present in the background that, you you might envision, but they
22:21 are very much present and active in the foreground. They're and they're doing nasty things. Let me just say, this is a this is a family's core principles, interview,
22:33 so I'm gonna refrain from describing some of these things in detail. But they're doing nasty things. And
22:41 Yeah.
22:41 And it's it's abhorrent to observe, and the crime is terrible. And I walk to the Freedom Caucus meeting every week on a on flying
22:53 day, where we have our first meeting, which you've attended many. And, I walk by myself, and I I I observe, and I'm a tell you, it's
23:05 dangerous. Just that that 3 or 4 blocks to walk off of the campus, through the through the darkened streets of of Washington DC is
23:17 dangerous every time I do it.
23:19 Let me ask you this congressman Higgins, real quickly. We've only got about a minute or so left. But do you think this is going to potentially be the beginning of the end of home rule, and congress
23:31 literally takes back some authority, in oversight of Washington DC?
23:37 No. I don't think home rule in will be overturned. I believe that the the proper execution of home rule by the
23:49 elected officials of Washington DC will be, will be enforced because their failures will be highlighted. We're gonna restore law and order and decency
24:01 so quickly in Washington DC that the We The People are gonna say, well, why hasn't that already been accomplished by the people who run DC? The the elected
24:12 officials at the local level. So they'll be forced to perform, I believe.
24:18 Well, we're all gonna keep a very close lookout on this. I wanna thank you, congressman Clay Higgins, for your expertise, for your insights, for your tremendous leadership, in Louisiana as well
24:30 as Washington DC in our country. Thank you so much for joining us today on Washington Watch.
24:35 Thank you, Jody. God bless you, sir.
24:38 Likewise. And tell our Freedom Caucus friends hello for me. Alright. On the other side of the break, John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center will be here to break down the potential impact of this decision from
24:49 the president to deploy the National Guard. What's it gonna look like? We'll get into all of that right on the other side of the break, so stay tuned.
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27:02 Good afternoon. Welcome back to Washington Watch. Jody Heise, your host today, filling in for Tony. Glad to have you with us. Alright. We wanna continue our discussion regarding president Trump's executive
27:14 order declaring a crime emergency in the District of Columbia and ultimately what could be the impact of this executive order. We are in
27:26 process right now trying to get doctor John Lott who's the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, and he is joining us right now. Doctor Lott, can you hear me? Welcome back to Washington. I
27:37 hear you fine. Thanks for being
27:40 on. Good. We're glad to have you. Alright. We've been all over this issue of President Trump's decision to take on crime and the problem there of crime in Washington
27:51 DC. And, it it look, we we all know the crime seems to just be getting out of the out of control in cities all across America. But from your perspective, why is there
28:03 so much crime in Washington DC? What's the root cause in your opinion?
28:09 Well, I mean, it's not rocket science. Basically, if you wanna deter crime, you have to make it risky for criminals to go and commit crime. And that means higher arrest rates, higher conviction rates, longer prison
28:21 sentences, allowing victims to be able to go and defend themselves. In Washington DC, they have, like, 1300 patrol officers.
28:33 You have at most 400 or so on duty at any point in time. For a city of, 720000 people. That's a lot of
28:45 ground to cover. And, as the police union head has said there, the officers are stretched very thin. It's hard for them to, do what they need to do.
28:57 Plus, there's all sorts of restrictions that the city has put on them making it more difficult for them to go and do their jobs. And so they're very strong supporters of the changes that,
29:10 Trump's gonna be imposing at least while they have, the federal government in control. But, you know, it's not just arrest rates. It's also prosecution and conviction rates.
29:23 The US attorney that you had under Biden, in 20 22, he refused to press charges in 67 percent of the arrests that
29:35 were made. In 20 23, it was slightly better, but he still refused to press charges in 55 percent of the arrests that were made. You know,
29:47 that's not making it very risky. And even when they have convictions. So, like, a lot of the crime has been committed by juveniles in part because how they are treated differently in the system there. And,
29:59 you have situations where, juveniles are being let off, you know, even when they get convicted, of, not facing any real punishments at all. And
30:10 so, you know, it's as I say, again, it's not rocket science.
30:16 Well, great great insight there. I I wanted to ask you this about the the reporting of some of the stats. Certainly, there's so much of legacy media different ones have been pushing
30:28 that Washington DC has a 30 year low in crime, but then there are certainly claims that those reports are are incorrect. So which is it?
30:40 Is Washington at a crime low of 30 years or is it not?
30:47 Well, look. There are lots of issues with it. I mean, 1 part is just kind of the corruption issues that seem to be being brought to light, in the last month or so in terms of how they've recorded
30:59 crimes. Recording serious violent crimes is not, being serious enough to be counted in the numbers that are released. So that's 1 issue. The other issue that you have, and this is something that's kind
31:11 of affected the numbers nationally, is you have to understand we have 2 different measures of crime. We have crimes report to police, and then we have from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, a measure
31:23 of total crimes reported and unreported. And that's from, really massive 240000 person survey that the Bureau of Justice Statistics does each year, and they've been doing this for over
31:35 50 years. It's basically because of that data that we know only about 40 percent of violent crimes are reported to police and only about 30 percent of property crimes are
31:46 reported to police. Now prior to covid, both the number of reported crimes and total crimes tended to move up and down together. Since
31:58 then, they've been pretty much unrelated. So for example, while the FBI data has shown that the number of reported crimes remained pretty much
32:10 flat during the first 3 years of the Biden administration, the Bureau of Justice Statistics numbers show that there was an unprecedented 55 percent increase in
32:22 violent crime during that period of time. That's more than twice as large as the largest previous percentage increase that we'd had, in violent crime. And, you know, there are
32:34 multiple reasons for why you have that gap that's occurring. 1 thing that's happened, and we've known this for a long time, whether people report crimes to the police depend in part on
32:45 whether they think the criminals are gonna be caught and punished. If people don't think that the criminals are gonna be caught at very high rates, they're less likely, to go and report that information to
32:57 to the police. The second I mean, I could there are lots of things, but I'll give you 1 other example. And and that is, when you look around, these cities,
33:10 what you find is that We have about
33:11 30 seconds, by the way, John.
33:13 Yeah. Many times now, you know, 6 years ago, if you called the police, they would send out a police car to take the report. Now they say, well, is the criminal there? And they say, no. Well, you can
33:25 come down to the police station and fill out a police report that's here and wait in line while you do that.
33:33 Wow. Unbelievable. John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center, thank you so much. Fascinating information, and we appreciate you joining us today on Washington Watch.
33:44 Thank you very much, Tim.
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