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This Is Us Star Chrissy Metz on Playing Kate Pearson, Believing in Miracles, & Julia’s Real-Life Miracle Triplet Story
March 8, 2023 · 26 min
This is Us, but the Julia and Ryan version as they raised newborn triplets on reality TV at the height of the hit NBC show, “This is Us.” In a special full-circle episode, Julia has the incredible opportunity to tell Chrissy Metz, star of “This is Us,” how the show gave her hope during her and Ryan’s journey as new parents to triplets. Plus Chrissy and Julia share why we should still believe in miracles today, and Chrissy gives advice for Christians in Hollywood, and really, any profession.
During their conversation Chrissy gives an inside look into playing the iconic role of Kate Pearson, hints at a possible “This Is Us” reunion someday, and talks about the inspiration behind her new children’s book, When I Talk to God, I Talk about You, co-authored with Bradley Collins. If you loved “This Is Us” and love miracle stories—make sure to listen to the show!
When I Talk to God, I Talk about You is available everywhere now! Stay connected with Chrissy by following her on Instagram.
Series Unapologetic with Julia Jeffress Sadler March 8, 2023 · 26 min · Unapologetic with Julia Jeffress Sadler
This is Us, but the Julia and Ryan version as they raised newborn triplets on reality TV at the height of the hit NBC show, “This is Us.” In a special full-circle episode, Julia has the incredible opportunity to tell Chrissy Metz, star of “This is Us,” how the show gave her hope during her and Ryan’s journey as new parents to triplets. Plus Chrissy and Julia share why we should still believe in miracles today, and Chrissy gives advice for Christians in Hollywood, and really, any profession. During their conversation Chrissy gives an inside look into playing the iconic role of Kate Pearson, hints at a possible “This Is Us” reunion someday, and talks about the inspiration behind her new children’s book, When I Talk to God, I Talk about You, co-authored with Bradley Collins. If you loved “This Is Us” and love miracle stories—make sure to listen to the show! When I Talk to God, I Talk about You is available everywhere now! Stay connected with Chrissy by following her on Instagram. ...more Show the full description Show less This is Us, but the Julia and Ryan version as they raised newborn triplets on reality TV at the height of the hit NBC show, “This is Us.” In a special full-circle episode, Julia has the incredible opportunity to tell Chrissy Metz, star of “This is Us,” how the show gave her hope during her and Ryan’s journey as new parents to triplets. Plus Chrissy and Julia share why we should still believe in miracles today, and Chrissy gives advice for Christians in Hollywood, and really, any profession.
During their conversation Chrissy gives an inside look into playing the iconic role of Kate Pearson, hints at a possible “This Is Us” reunion someday, and talks about the inspiration behind her new children’s book, When I Talk to God, I Talk about You, co-authored with Bradley Collins. If you loved “This Is Us” and love miracle stories—make sure to listen to the show!
When I Talk to God, I Talk about You is available everywhere now! Stay connected with Chrissy by following her on Instagram.
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Julia Jeffress Sadler is bestselling author, licensed counselor, and the Next Gen Minister at First Baptist Dallas. She's passionate about discussing God’s Word on today’s topics.
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0:00 God has specifically chosen you to be here at this time and in this place. You have incredible potential, purpose, and calling to push back the darkness and be a light for Christ.0:12 Stand for nothing and you'll fall for anything. It's time to stand your ground. This is Unapologetic. Hi everyone, I have a very special episode of Unapologetic0:24 today. I will try not to fan girl, but I am freaking out because I have the honor of sitting down with the award winning actress turned children's book author, Chrissy Metz. If you0:36 watch TV at all in the past 5 years, you probably know her as Kate Pearson from NBC's This Is Us, 1 third of the big 3. But Chrissy is also a singer0:48 songwriter, bestselling author, and recently released her first children's book, When I Talk to God, I Talk About You, with her co author Bradley, who is also on the show today. The book1:00 is all about prayer through the eyes of a child, which of course we care about on Unapologetic! It serves as an introduction of how you can talk to children about God. Chrissy's role on This Is Us1:11 was all about her life as a triplet. God used it very personally in my life because it came out at the exact same time that I became pregnant with triplets. And we1:23 have a lot of really fun, special conversations about how God used actually the TV show, This Is Us, to minister to encourage Ryan and me. Talk about that, and then we also actually1:35 completely switch gears and talk about generational trauma and how to break cycles that are in our family. This is a wonderful episode, it's super exciting, and I want you to have so1:46
1:56 You for having And I didn't know that incredible, amazing backstory, so I'm just sitting here with my mouth again, but like, you know what?
2:05 I know. I will get into that in a minute, but let me like go ahead and just ask the question we ask everyone, and then we have so much to talk about. But both of you please answer. What do you wish Christians
2:17 would stop apologizing for?
2:19 I think I would hope that Christians would stop apologizing just for being Christian, just for saying they wanna talk about what's important to them, which could be their faith and their connection with God and their
2:30 higher power. I think that, unfortunately, there's this thing where people don't wanna talk about, especially in my field, especially with TV film, which is so interesting. Music, and I feel country music is a little
2:41 more celebrated, but as far as, like, the entertainment industry, it's kind of not something we talk about.
2:47 Yeah. I'd say I I wish Christian to stop apologizing for being Christian just like Chrissy said. You know, it's okay to have firm beliefs and believe in what you wanna stand for, but also, you know, there's a lot of
2:58 tolerance out there too. I just need to stop apologizing for being who you are.
3:02 That is so good. And I have so much that I want to ask all about that because a lot of people think, like if you're going into the arts, we work with teenagers, we've been in student ministry for 13 years, that they need
3:14 to separate specifically arts, entertainment, TV from their faith. Like if I wanna make it in that industry, there's not really room for Christians or you would
3:25 have to compromise. And like, let's be real, Christian movies only got good recently. So they think like either they're gonna compromise their art or compromise their faith or their dreams. What would y'all say to
3:37 that navigating all of that?
3:39 It's interesting because if God is everywhere, God's in everything. Wow. It's you know, there's no sort of line of delineation. Like, oh, if you do this film because there
3:51 is if we're talking about someone who's dealing with an addiction or drugs or something that might seem dark and scary, God's in that too because God's in the healing and God's in the redemption. And so I think so many
4:03 times we think there's a separation and there's really not. I don't believe.
4:08 Yeah. I don't believe. That's so good. Okay. So I wanna go ahead and tell you my this is us full circle moment. So Yeah. I have so been encouraged. This goes with what you're
4:20 saying, God so used this is us in our lives. And I know that sounds like, okay, give me a break, but He really, really did. I remember when the show aired and we were watching, everybody was watching it, it was a
4:32 new show, of course, and I remember them finding out they were having triplets and everything that happened, and it was so unrelatable for so many people. Triplets are so
4:44 rare. And I remember thinking, Oh, that is so cool. Well then, we ended up losing 3 babies in a year and we prayed. We were praying for multiples, 3 children, and for God to do
4:55 more than anything we could hope or imagine, and got pregnant with triplets, and I was never gonna do this again, and I was like, Please just 1 girl, please just 1 girl, because I knew if
5:07 it was all boys, I would try to get a girl. That to say, I'll cut this story short, we were in the hospital for many, many months and it was really interesting because a lot of
5:19 the like the reference points we had, because no 1 could relate to our situation, we would think about the show like, okay, remember how they did this? Remember how this was hard and their family looked different,
5:31 but it was so special and so unique. And I'll never forget even lines from the show when the doctor tells the husband, Life's dealt you the most bitter hurt, but you
5:43 have an incredible life. It was such a good show, such a good moment, even for us losing 3 babies in a year and then being pregnant with triplets. I mean, there are lines, all truth is God's truth. And God just
5:55 encouraged us. He helped us understand. He helped us come up with parenting tactics. I'm not even kidding. We have a big 3 cheer. It's a different 1, but, and then recently, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then
6:06 recently my daughter wanted to start having her own birthday party. And while a lot of people were freaking out, I was like, No, Kate Pearson did this. Like, that makes sense. Even the dynamics, like the show taught us
6:18 different things that could happen, different things that would happen in marriages and the stress and the joy. So I just wanted to say that, and then we wrote a book, Pray Big Things, and we're on a reality TV show, and
6:30 the way they marketed us was the real life, This Is Us couple. But the triplets all survived and they were awesome. And even whenever the big
6:42 3 cheer, that modeled something for us, we were like, they need to be able to systematically share their story so that they encourage other people and so that they remember it. And so, I mean, truly not
6:53 trying to over spiritualize, but I mean, God really used that show. So I just wanna tell you a real life example from that. That's amazing. It was amazing. So 2 boys and
7:05 a girl? Yeah. 1 girl and 2 boys.
7:08 Wow. Yeah.
7:11 I had a love hate relationship with This Is Us because I couldn't relate to it at all. So I was like, this is awesome. And then I got pregnant with triplets. I was like, turn that off because of course, they lose 1 and
7:20 that was the fear. But then it was really fun watching them grow up and the dynamics and getting to relate. I mean, we related more to fake TV show than most of my mom friends, so thank you for
7:32 that. I'm gonna ask what everyone wants to know. I mean, what was it like to play such an iconic role?
7:38 Oh, wow. It's so hard to even sum up in a word, a sentence. I could talk to you for hours about it. It was really kind of magical in that everything from the audition
7:50 to the last scene. Oh, no. I'm gonna get emotional. This is just me. He knows me already very well. It was just very magical. Like, I knew that there was so many people being touched
8:02 and changed by it. And whether it was Kate and her issues and her issues with her mom and their relationship or the dynamics of kids or, you know, health or illness or
8:13 adoption or fertility. I mean Mhmm. Obviously, relationship issues, every single thing. And the reason why I think that maybe you related so much to us because we really were
8:25 able to deal with real issues and real life troubles and woes. And a lot of it came from real family stories that we sort of pulled into the writers room. And a lot of the writers wrote about their own issues
8:37 and their specific fertility problems, or it was so grounded in truth that I think, I know that's why people related to it so much, and so I guess I could sum it up by saying it was just really magical.
8:49 Man, that's amazing. Okay, do you have a favorite memory? I'm asking this on behalf of, I just text, like, a whole group of my mom friends. I was like, if you could ask Kate anything, Chrissy anything, what
9:01 would it be? And they were like, just ask her what her favorite favorite moment was and if there's gonna be a reunion. I was like, okay.
9:08 She's obviously not gonna be a reunion. I would love, like, a 10, 15, 20 year reunion because Mhmm. I wanna see everybody, of course. So fingers crossed with that. But to
9:20 oh gosh. My favorite. I mean, I think the table read when we first ever got together
9:26 Mhmm.
9:26 And we realized there was something really special. And then really just the last season and, like, the last 2 episodes of the last season were like
9:37 Mhmm.
9:39 You know, saying goodbye to not only your friends, but saying goodbye to some characters
9:44 Mhmm.
9:44 In and out of the show. I guess we'll just have to sum up the 6 years because there's so many wonderful memories, it's hard to pick 1.
9:51 It is so different from other shows. Like, met therapist by trade, and I just think about how that show broke down walls. Like, saw other people, of course, it was acting and actress, but you saw people
10:03 feeling. You're like, oh, like other people feel how I do or other people struggle or other people see there's 2 sides to this or you can love someone and not agree or be hurt by them or make a choice or trauma. You can
10:15 be a great dad and still, of course, like he did struggle with alcoholism. Like it was a very good conversation starter and it gave permission, in my opinion, for a lot of things to be discussed,
10:27 even just in families.
10:29 Absolutely. And that happened even with my family. You know, they would watch an episode. They're like, Chrissy, well, what do you think about this? And, like, did you feel this way? And do you relate to Kate or Randall
10:39 or to Kevin more? And I'm like, oh, wow. We're having this conversation right now. Okay. So yeah. Special.
10:46 Well, that's a good question. So how did you, I mean, how do you separate? I've read actresses say like, some people get so pulled in, and I would imagine if you're playing the same role for so many years, how do you
10:58 maintain some kind of difference between identity who you are versus obviously playing a completely different person?
11:05 Yeah. You know, so much of Kate, I have been influenced by and influenced her by who I am. So it's hard to sort of have that line, but I think a lot of Kate is who I used
11:17 to be. Mhmm. So I think that's what I'm like, oh, remember when, you know, you were more type a personality or remember
11:26 when Right.
11:27 You would, you know, hold on to grudges and to things and guilt and shame. It's interesting because with film, you know, you have a month or 3 months to dive into this role, but with 6 years of a role,
11:39 you sort of don't know where she ends and I start and vice versa, but it's there and I can't even describe it. Yeah. Which is weird to think about.
11:49 But That's awesome. Okay. So, I mean, I just feel it's so funny. My prayer book for children comes out in a few months, but I was so excited to see that y'all wrote this book. And can y'all just kind of tell me
12:01 about the book? Why is this book important? I mean, honestly, I'll be at a certain store and I read the kids books. I'm like, I mean, this just means nothing. I'm like, I mean, my 5 year old could have come up with
12:12 this. They're just kids' books that are just stupid. I mean, I can say it, or it's like, what is the point? Or it teaches something mad. It's like, this is a bestseller. I'm like, well, this
12:23 is like super lame. Can we get some new children's books? Or I have to like course correct and we're reading it and then like halfway through, I'm like, Well, that's incorrect. So I am so excited. I mean, you have a
12:35 legacy now of just quality work. As Christians, our work should be very good. It should reflect God and just the awe, and we should put just as much work into it. But can you tell us just both of you your
12:47 idea for this book, why it's important, and kind of what it addresses, why parents should buy it?
12:53 Yeah. Well, know, Bradley and I you sure?
12:55 Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. Bradley and
12:56 I met during the pandemic, and so we really got to know each other well because we did a lot of talk, we didn't see each other a lot because we couldn't even test at that time. Right? Like, we were being very, very
13:05 careful. We ended up discovering that we had sort of similarities in the way that we were raised, and the things that we wish we were raised with, or the words, or the love, or the encouragement that sometimes fell by
13:17 the wayside, you know, and I always believe that like our parents, if they knew better, they would do better, and I'm hopeful that this particular book and what we're talking about will sort of course correct, like
13:29 generational trauma, you and so when we do know better, we do better. And so really, we talked about how much prayer was so important in our lives, and for me and my grandmother instilled that at a very
13:40 young age. And we were like, well, what would we want our parents to say to us? Or what would we want to And so much of the through lines are that we were purposeful, that we were loved
13:52 no matter what, and that if we made mistakes, it would matter. And sometimes things are great, sometimes things are difficult.
13:58 Mhmm.
13:59 But like, if you have prayer and that conversation and that connection with God, that your journey is your own, and that it will be beautiful no matter what. So that was sort of like the basis and foundation and through
14:09 line, and then, you know, Bradley has his own connection too.
14:11 For me, you know, it was my grandfather was very sick when I was young, and it was the same age as this book is for. And I remember seeing my mom being stressed, my grandmother being stressed, my family
14:22 being stressed, and I was like, What can I do? And then God being this larger than life figure I see in church, can I talk to this person? Can I reach out with my problems?
14:34 And this book did a lot of inner child healing for Chrissy and I both because it teaches you, Yes, you can. And it's a very gentle introduction to prayer for children because it's through the eyes of forest
14:46 animals. It's illustrated by our friend Lisa Fields, who did a fantastic job, but it's all animals and how they care for each other and how they pray for each other. So the lesson is you can pray for anything. You can
14:58 pray for your parents, your grandparents, your friends at school, your pets. Anything that you have a question or concern about, you can talk to God because He wants to hear about it.
15:07 Oh, I love it. That's so great. I really like they all bring so much counseling terminology up. So I just wanted to say for our listeners that are kind of like, inner child, what are we talking about? I love inner child
15:19 work and I've seen it really help people. You referenced generational trauma, of course, but just that's not the purpose of this episode, but for listeners and viewers, inner child work, like it's this idea that if you
15:29 have a big trauma in your life, you kind of get stuck a little bit in certain ways, developmentally, emotionally, even spiritually, and that when you're an adult, you can go back
15:41 and in a sense, take care or heal that inner child. And just practically speaking, like you're getting triggered as an adult because of something that wasn't healed when you were 10 years old. And so it's
15:53 really wonderful, it's really revealing, it's really helpful, but I know if people don't have a reference are like, What? Then generational trauma, just can you kind of, I mean, I can explain it, but I would love to hear
16:04 just how you've seen that play out and get healed. And it's a wonderful truth that we need be aware of, but also the truth that God, of course, can heal, and that we do know better, and we have research now.
16:15 Absolutely. Yeah. You know, for me, my family, my mom in particular, was very she was very tough because she felt like she had to be because she was you know, my parents
16:27 divorced, and my dad was not very not always making the best decisions. And so it sort of hardened her heart, and that also happened to my grandmother. And I think that that you end up becoming very tough and hardened,
16:39 and then you don't allow sort of the tenderness and the sweetness and the time that parents and kids need together. And it's not because I don't believe my mom didn't want to. I think that literally she couldn't. Like,
16:50 there was no time to stop and and say, like, hey, I love you more than anything no matter what. We might be struggling and really going through a lot right now, but don't worry. We're gonna get through it. I think
17:01 because she wasn't sure if we were gonna get through it, that there wasn't time I mean, there were times where we didn't have food, you know, like, wouldn't eat because she was trying to make sure all of the kids ate.
17:10 And so Oh. Those kinds of things where the trauma lies in that I know my mom loves me dearly, but there were things that I needed and wanted to hear also from my father who was absent, and mostly from my
17:22 father who was absent. So to be able to write these beautiful words to the reader, I can then impart that to myself, and
17:31 Yeah.
17:31 Love myself in the ways I wasn't loved. Hopefully, should I, you know, with my nieces and nephews do the same thing or with with anyone really. Mhmm. So just sort of breaking, like, the
17:42 patterns of generational issues or emotions or lack of.
17:48 That was a great explanation. Like whenever you're in a crisis, there are higher level needs that just don't get met because you're just trying to survive. A wonderful explanation. And a lot of people are scared to talk
17:59 about it because they don't wanna blame, they wanna iron their parents, but at the same time, we just have to be real about what the situation was because it does have effects on children. I think the problem is whenever
18:10 we don't actively try to get better or we think that we're stuck or become victims of someone else's story, brings me to our next point, Breakthrough.
18:22 That movie, I was just balling in the theater with your movie and that story. And I wanna talk about, if no one's heard this, if you're in the Christian world, there's a joke.
18:34 It's like, it's a Christian movie. It's not gonna be very good. And recently, I'm so glad that there's so many wonderful Christian movies out there. But I just wanna say books like yours,
18:46 movies like Breakthrough, all of those, they can reach people and break down walls and open conversations that otherwise you're not sure how to have a conversation with someone. I brought someone to that that was
18:58 believing for a miracle. And seeing you represent that was better than anything that I could have ever said to her. So I just know a lot of people can be kind of
19:10 legalistic or separate arts and theology or arts and the Bible or church, but really they're great tools to be able to have those conversations, especially with people that are hurting. Can you just
19:22 kinda share about breakthrough and what that was like?
19:25 Yeah. So interestingly enough, Devon Franklin, who was the producer of the movie, he I didn't know this at the time, but he was like, the only person I want to portray Joyce Smith is you. And I'm like, wait.
19:37 What? And I read the script, and for the backstory, for people who don't know the story, it's a true story of a young boy falling through an icy lake who was not found for quite some time, and there's just
19:49 no way that he could probably survive at all. And not only did he survive, but they found him, which was also a miracle because there's an ice shelf underneath the actual frozen top of the lake, and he survived, and to
20:01 this day is doing well, married with a baby, and doing a lot of work, and wanting to be a pastor, and
20:06 Great.
20:07 Even pursuing that role, I remember vividly Joyce saying to the doctors, You can give my son a prognosis, but I'm telling you what I'm telling you. Like, I believe in a mighty God, I believe that miracles do
20:19 exist. And that happened for me with my mom when she had a stroke 5 years ago. They were like, well, this is gonna happen and this is gonna happen. And I'm like, you can say that, but as a doctor, you guys practice.
20:29 Right? Right? Yes. Okay. So you could practice and that's fine and and I appreciate you, but I'm telling you don't know my mom. And there's stuff that she still needs to do on this plane of existence. And so I
20:40 just felt so compelled because Joyce said the same things that I said to my mother's doctors, I had no idea. I was like, wow. I really I a, believe in miracles, b, have seen it happen, and
20:53 believe that people need a, a reminder, or b, an example of how that actually does occur, and Mhmm. That it really, really does. Because so many people wanna like, we want to
21:05 analyze a situation in our mind and have a scientific explanation, and sometimes don't have a scientific explanation. And it was so profound to play Joyce, but also to be a part of a
21:16 story that so many people have been encouraged by and inspired by and reminded about miracles and know that they really do exist.
21:26 That's fantastic. Okay, so I just need to ask as we're closing, what is next for y'all? Where can we find this book and how can we stay connected?
21:35 Well, the book is gonna be coming out February fourteenth, anywhere children's books are sold. Can find it, Amazon, Barnes and Noble, what have you. Along with this, we have an album that compliments the book called Pray
21:46 for This Day, songs inspired by the book When I Talk to God, Talk About You. Chrissy is singing every She and I wrote every song on it, and it's also featured on the audiobook, the intro and outro to that.
21:57 That's awesome.
21:58 So that's something, you know, you can read the book and then at night, then fall asleep to the children's lullaby album.
22:04 Oh, wow. How wonderful. Are you joining any new groundbreaking TV shows, Kate or Kate and Chrissy. I'm so used to seeing you, Chrissy.
22:15 I get to do it all the time.
22:16 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
22:17 Know, I have been developing a couple shows, but it takes a lot for them to, like, get off the ground, and I'm hoping that there are some projects in the near future that it's hard, right, to go from a show like This Is
22:28 Us Mhmm. To continue to have other shows and other projects that mean that much. I wanna be very discerning in what I do next, so I believe that whatever is supposed to come next will come,
22:40 but we'll see.
22:42 Can I ask you before you end? We're in Dallas, and it's not LA, but we have lots of teenagers and young adults that they want to do show business. They wanna be in movies. They wanna be in TV, and their parents are like,
22:52 ah. Like, no. Don't. We're scared. We don't want you involved in that world. Or, like, I mean, they feel called to it, but the parents are obviously concerned for certain reasons. Like, what would you say? What advice is
23:04 there for following your dream, but honoring your parents and just being careful to stay close to God in the industry?
23:11 I think in whatever industry you choose, you can always stay close to God. And Right. I think that if you do that, the right projects, the right things, the right jobs, the right people will always find you. And
23:23 I always say that the things that are meant for you will never they will always find you. And so Mhmm. It can be intimidating, it can be scary, because you think, oh, Hollywood. But if you're compelled, and you are
23:34 called to tell stories, like, can tell stories in any way, shape, or form. And you can also write them yourself, you know, and you could also have more of a handle on them. And I think there are more people now doing
23:46 that and creating their own vehicles because, you know, like you said, like, there's not always quality content out there no matter what a book, TV, film, song Yeah. You name it. And the song, the movie, the film will
23:58 find the right people. But I I think that it's also really important to say, mom and dad, I love you very much. Please pray for me, and I know you will, but like, I really wanna do this. And it is my life, you know,
24:09 just like you get to pursue your dreams and your aspirations. I really wanna try this. And sometimes it will lead you to the place you're meant to be. I had friends who they wanted to be actors, and they became
24:19 producers. Right. They thought they were gonna be agents but became actors, you know? So Mhmm. There's not a linear way into doing it, but like you have to follow your heart. And I always say you're never given a vision
24:29 without a provision. So if it's placed on your heart Wow. Do it, like you should do it. You should at least try because nobody wants to sing the shoulda, coulda, woulda. That's the 1 song nobody So I think you just you
24:40 just gotta do it, and I did. You know, I was thinking I had 100 dollars in my pocket and went to LA and lived with 6 other girls in a 2 bedroom apartment and did what I had to do.
24:48 My goodness.
24:48 Yeah. Oh, wow. It was interesting for some
24:51 people. Yeah.
24:53 That's awesome. So, like, really la la land in real life. But anyway, okay. Well, thank you so much for being on this show. I'm so excited about this And I just wanna say for the record, so many people are
25:04 encouraged. I love when we find out the people we watched on TV or were so close to, you you feel like they're your friend and then you find out they're really your sister in Christ. I mean, there's really nothing
25:15 better, but I'm a movie TV person, but I mean, it's so thrilling to see God really using you and putting you literally on the big screen. So thank y'all for being faithful to your opportunities and your calling.
25:28 And tell us again, is there a website for the book or just wherever books are sold?
25:32 Wherever books are sold, but when I talk to God, I talk about Yeah.
25:36 Okay, awesome. Well, thank y'all for being on.
25:40 You. Thank you
25:40 for having us.
25:41 Thank you for tuning in to Unapologetic! Remember that you can hear today's episode and more at ptv dot org slash julia and wherever you get your podcasts.
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