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”My Redeemer Lives,” the Story Behind One of Christianity’s Most Famous Songs
April 5, 2023 · 33 min
If you’ve been a Christian for a while you probably know every word to Nicole C. Mullen’s award-winning song, “Redeemer.” But what you might not know is the heartbreak the singer-songwriter had to walk through to write those famous lyrics. On this special episode of Unapologetic, Julia sits down with Nicole and invites her to share her testimony—from suffering through abusive relationships to winning 9 Dove awards, and everything in between.
Together Nicole and Julia talk about why Christians should stop apologizing for being pro-life, handling unexpected pregnancy God’s way, and the importance of altar calls. Nicole also vulnerably shares some of the darkest parts of her story, plus leaves Julia speechless and in tears as she sings pieces of her biggest songs. Their conversation wraps up with Julia inviting Nicole to close the episode in prayer. God was truly present all throughout this episode and it’s one you’re for sure not going to want to miss!
Nicole’s book, My Redeemer Lives: It’s Personal is available everywhere! Listen to her song, “The God Who Sees” now, and connect with her on Instagram.
Series Unapologetic with Julia Jeffress Sadler April 5, 2023 · 33 min · Unapologetic with Julia Jeffress Sadler
If you’ve been a Christian for a while you probably know every word to Nicole C. Mullen’s award-winning song, “Redeemer.” But what you might not know is the heartbreak the singer-songwriter had to walk through to write those famous lyrics. On this special episode of Unapologetic, Julia sits down with Nicole and invites her to share her testimony—from suffering through abusive relationships to winning 9 Dove awards, and everything in between. Together Nicole and Julia talk about why Christians should stop apologizing for being pro-life, handling unexpected pregnancy God’s way, and the importance of altar calls. Nicole also vulnerably shares some of the darkest parts of her story, plus leaves Julia speechless and in tears as she sings pieces of her biggest songs. Their conversation wraps up with Julia inviting Nicole to close the episode in prayer. God was truly present all throughout this episode and it’s one you’re for sure not going to want to miss! Nicole’s book, My Redeemer Lives: It’s Personal is available everywhere! Listen to her song, “The God Who Sees” now, and connect with her on Instagram. ...more Show the full description Show less If you’ve been a Christian for a while you probably know every word to Nicole C. Mullen’s award-winning song, “Redeemer.” But what you might not know is the heartbreak the singer-songwriter had to walk through to write those famous lyrics. On this special episode of Unapologetic, Julia sits down with Nicole and invites her to share her testimony—from suffering through abusive relationships to winning 9 Dove awards, and everything in between.
Together Nicole and Julia talk about why Christians should stop apologizing for being pro-life, handling unexpected pregnancy God’s way, and the importance of altar calls. Nicole also vulnerably shares some of the darkest parts of her story, plus leaves Julia speechless and in tears as she sings pieces of her biggest songs. Their conversation wraps up with Julia inviting Nicole to close the episode in prayer. God was truly present all throughout this episode and it’s one you’re for sure not going to want to miss!
Nicole’s book, My Redeemer Lives: It’s Personal is available everywhere! Listen to her song, “The God Who Sees” now, and connect with her on Instagram.
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0:00 God has specifically chosen you to be here at this time and in this place. You have incredible potential, purpose, and calling to push back the darkness and be a light for Christ.0:12 Stand for nothing and you'll fall for anything. It's time to stand your ground. This is Unapologetic. Hi everyone and welcome back to Unapologetic. I am so excited because today we0:24 have award winning songwriter and singer, Nicole C. Mullen, in the studio at our church with us today. You know her from her insanely famous song, My0:35 Redeemer Lives. We've all belted it at some in our car or in our church services. But we today get to sit down with her and talk to her about her story, her love of scripture, and her newest0:47 project, the God Who Sees. Please help me welcome Nicole Mullen to the show.0:51 Hi, Nicole.0:52 Hello, Julia. Thank you for having me.0:54 Okay. You look so comfortable and cool. I I was trying not to wear jeans, and I was like, man, I I would have worn that.1:03 Look, you know, I thought anyway You look awesome. You know, you're very kind and I have to catch a flight. Yes.1:09 So you1:09 have to always prepare for where you're going, not just where you are. So it's like because I'm going to be on a plane, girl, I have to be comfortable. Okay. Like when we feel comfortable,1:22 it's easier to act and to be comfortable.1:24
1:25 Yeah. That's just my story and I'm sticking with it.
1:28 So, yeah.
1:28 That is true. Whenever I wear my sweatpants, it's easier to stay at home.
1:32 It is. Yes, it is.
1:34 And my overalls. Okay. I live in the country, so my overalls will keep me there too.
1:38 Oh, that's awesome. Yes.
1:39 Okay. So let's start out before we get to it, just asking what we ask everyone. What do you wish Christians would stop apologizing for? Oh, there are a
1:47 lot of things. 1, I would say, let's stop apologizing about being pro life and this is not a political statement, you know. Mhmm. God said in the bible, he said, I lay before you life
1:59 and death, blessings and cursings and he said, I'm counseling you to choose life. So life comes from him, life is what he started and what he protects and what he's saying, hey, I wrote the test, I'm
2:11 giving you the answer, do it. So I believe that we have no need to apologize for our stance of wanting to rescue little boys and little girls, you know, because that's what they are, you know, and so that's 1 of my
2:23 soapboxes, 1 of them And so I think that's something that we need to not apologize for being.
2:29 That's awesome. Yeah. What would you say since you brought it up, what do you say whenever people can argue while you're choosing the mom's life? Like I've heard, I mean, I'm very pro life, we were
2:41 told to abort the triplets somewhere like Wow. Don't think so. Well, what was great, and I talked to girls about this and young women, forming your conviction about what scripture says before there's a crisis.
2:53 Absolutely. Because it was just You have to. There was no doubt, and I actually forgot that was part of our story because it was so, like, an automatic, of course not. Mhmm. But I do hear people, they get kind of
3:04 confused, which, of course, like, Satan confuses people. Yeah. And things seem confusing, and they're actually very clear, like, that is spiritual warfare. But do you have a response for
3:16 people whenever they say, well, you're choosing the mom's life? Like, I just see Christians that are still, like, kinda confused.
3:24 Let me just put it this way too, and that's a great question. Since when have we made children responsible for adults? Wow. The Bible commands us to train
3:35 a child in the way he should go and then when he's old, he won't depart. He never said have the child train the parent and I say that because we are called to protect them. Since when do I use my child
3:47 as somebody to shield me in my conveniences? The heart of a mother, honestly, if we take away society's new norms and their standards and we go back to even
3:59 biblical standards and really what's at the core of a mom, a mom says, I won't eat so that you can. A mom says, I'll do without so that you can go to school and have shoes and you won't be ashamed. A mom says,
4:11 I'll protect you from the bullet. If somebody's coming to harm us, I'm gonna tuck you in and I'll take it. A mom finds extra strength to push a car up off of her child if he's underneath. That's what a mom does. So right
4:23 now we're in a confused society and you use the word rightly and that confusion I think has blinded our vision and it has dulled our senses to where now we've bought
4:34 into my child should give their life for my convenience instead of me giving my life for my child's convenience. I don't believe in abortion at all. I know young people
4:46 who've been raped and they still decided I'm going to give this child life, knowing that on the other side, even if I cannot keep her or him, there's somebody out there who have been praying for this
4:58 child, they want to raise this child. So in my opinion, there's never an occasion and I don't throw any stones for anybody who has Of course not, will forgive what we confess, you know what I'm Absolutely. I'm not a
5:09 medical doctor either but I am a lover of life And so, believe that if our mindset, if our heart set is to protect and if we're in the right place of my child is
5:20 not expendable, you know, just so I can be happy temporarily, if anything, I give up my happiness to make sure my child is right. I think when we make that transition back to what is good, what is
5:32 wholesome, then I think our decisions will follow and I believe then we'll start protecting again. If you don't mind me saying this too, I was talking to someone earlier today, a wonderful new sister that I met in line
5:43 and I was sharing with her a conversation I had with another African American sister of mine this past week, a good friend and I said, I was sharing with her some of the things that I had learned
5:55 about even the letter that Margaret Sanger had written back in the day and I have a digital copy and I said, you know, part of her plot was the extermination of the Negro race, you know.
6:06 Very few people know that. Very few people. Yeah. And so
6:09 I said and she was saying how she was encouraging the person on the other side of the letter to convince black, you know, medical doctors and clergy and nurses and people of standing that the
6:21 black community looked up to because if they could convince them of their agenda, not saying that they're out to exterminate, but to make it seem as if it was good for the black woman, you know, then they had a better
6:33 chance of having us do to ourselves what they could not do to us anymore. And so I said, you know, this was a plan that was, you know, instituted a long time ago, you know, and then you have
6:45 Jesse Jackson back in the seventies, you know, I have an article that he had written and he was extremely pro life. He broke it down so prolifically, was like, oh my goodness, I was giving him yes and amens, you know,
6:56 and you know, and I was like, wow and then all of a sudden something, it changed, it turned as if he sold us out, you know, and and I say that strongly but that's how I feel about it and instead
7:08 of him saying no, we have every right to life, like we, you know what I'm saying, like we're and and you know, we have mantras of, you know, and I'm I'm going down a rabbit trail, so just bear with me. This is J. P. S.
7:20 Of Black Lives Matter Mhmm. Which I believe should be Black Lives Matter too. I don't believe in the movement, I believe in the saying because the saying is true. Right. Black Lives Matter too. But most people in my
7:31 opinion who will march on behalf of my sons, I'm all for my sons, I have a 25 year old, I have a 20 year old, you know, who may be mistreated in a car by law enforcement and I love law
7:43 enforcement too, no slide on them. Those same people won't march for the Black Lives Matter in the womb. So my same sons who are now 20 and 25 were once 7 months old inside of me,
7:55 you know what I'm saying, or inside of their biological mom, 1 of my sons, my first son is adopted. My point is, is that they're the same so if we say Black Lives Matter, are we saying all Black Lives Matter or just
8:05 some? I was sharing with my sister girl, I said we have killed over 20000000 of our own. What they could not do legally, they have convinced us to do as an ethnic
8:16 group and they've waived it under the banner of civil rights. But since when do I have the right to kill someone else? It's like, you know, just because I say it's under
8:28 choice, I have a choice anyway, they didn't give me choice, I have a choice to obey the law or not to obey the You know, it's just some things are sanctioned and some things are not. And so the life inside of us as
8:39 mothers is not our lives, we are the host of that life. I have 1 set of arms, 1 set of legs, the other set does not belong to me, it belonged to my daughter
8:50 Jasmine, it belonged to my son Josiah, it belonged to my other son Maxwell, so that was their life and so if I choose to dismember my own, that's my right. But if
9:02 I choose to dismember theirs, then I've crossed the boundary line, not just a line of what's illegal in the United States and should be, you know, upheld, But really what's illegal according to the courts of heaven
9:14 because God created life, He sanctioned life. He said, I knew you, I formed you in your mother's womb and when I transgress that law, now I have to answer to the high judge, the high court of heaven
9:26 and for people who have gone past that line and you may have transgressed, you may have had an abortion, you may have encouraged someone else, there is forgiveness, you know what I'm saying? There is mercy if you fall on
9:37 the mercy of the court of God, You know, he will forgive what we confess and we repent of. But if we don't and we harden our hearts and we say we don't care, then at the end of the day, it's not the Supreme Court of the
9:48 United States we'll have to answer to, but it's God himself. And it's better to ask for mercy here, Fall upon the rock and be broken than to have that rock fall upon you or me and be crushed.
9:59 Right. So And just finishing that theology, that was so wonderfully stated. We all are gonna bow before God. Absolutely. That's what the bible says. So either we bow before him as lord or as judge. Really? And
10:11 in this life, we get to repent.
10:13 Yes.
10:13 This is incorrect theology to think that you can become a Christian after you die,
10:18 that is nowhere in Bible church And
10:22 you know And you can't
10:23 play God like that either. You can't think that you're gonna get 1 over on God and go, I'm living my own way, live life, and then at the end, when I'm done, I'm dead, I'll ask you for forgiveness.
10:32 And you're assuming you know when you're going to die. There's a lot that goes into Huge assumption. For sure. There there's so much there. Wow. Thank you. Honestly, unapologetic. Congrats. Thank you for fully going into
10:44 this. You know, I was kind of thinking about things I wanted for this show, and some things hadn't worked out, and some things had, and God just gave me this piece, He goes, that's okay. Now you only answer to me and the
10:55 church that doctrinally supports you.
10:57 Absolutely, yes. Absolutely, yes.
11:00 But so many things there, I did want us to talk about how to know what the Bible says about certain issues. I think that that would be a good thing for us to talk about because you,
11:12 I've always loved your music because it's so, like, said in the intro, you can just belt it. We've all
11:18 built it.
11:19 Not with Dina Lives,
11:20 you know, we know you're not an adult.
11:23 Can't sing me.
11:24 But like, we need that truth. We need the truth, and our generation definitely, all of them, but ours seems very confused about what the truth is, even Christians.
11:36 And so I love your statements, my redeemer lives, something you can just plant, and you can believe, and you know scripturally true, and then the God who sees. So with both of those, I wanted to tell you, was the other
11:47 day, this is so sinful, I can't believe I'm on this. Come first, girl,
11:50 tell it.
11:51 But I was kinda trying to decide if I felt bad about something, which is hard whenever it's not like Yeah. In Ephesians. Yeah. Okay. And so in my mind, I said, well, it doesn't really bother
12:02 me, because it was kind of a gray area, and I heard God say, it's not that it bothers you, it just doesn't bother me.
12:10 And
12:10 I thought that that was such a good, I mean, can say because it was him convicting me, a lot of us walk around, well, didn't bother me. Abortion doesn't bother me, well, you know, racism,
12:22 maybe if you're not in an ethnic group that's true, but it bothers God. That's great. And so I just want you to kind of talk about your story and how you've led so
12:34 many of us into worship of God and in truth. Can you just share your testimony?
12:38 Absolutely, I will. I wanna piggyback on what you said though as well, that is the truth. We're not the measuring stick
12:44 Mhmm.
12:45 Of what's good, what's not good, what's right, what's wrong, God is. Mhmm. Because he created us at the end of the day, like you're saying, we have to all answer to him. Just like I said, I'm dressing for where I'm
12:56 going, you know, I'm about to take a flight, we have to dress for where we're going, we have to be prepared for where we're going to ultimately spend eternity and if we wanna spend eternity in the presence of God, then
13:07 we have to do it His way, it's His world. When I create my own world ex nihilo, from nothing, when I speak things into being and they come about, when I create the first person out of
13:18 nothing, not using any other ingredients, when I put stars in the sky, when I put suns and moons and planets, then I can call the shots.
13:26 I just read that in Isaiah this morning, that's so funny.
13:30 But until then, I must submit to the 1 who has already done so, you know, and so because it is his world, he is the creator, the Bible says it is he that has made us and not we ourselves. We are his
13:42 people and the sheep of his pasture. So because of that, I submit to him knowing at the end of the day, I will have answer to Him for the how I use the breath that He has allowed to flow through my body. And so,
13:54 yes and amen on what you've said, we need more of that, more of what you're standing for, so I thank you. You know, I grew up in Cincinnati, Ohio, my parents were deacons in the church. My grandparents on both sides of
14:05 the family were Pentecostal pastors. I say all the time I was in church, like, 8, 9, 10 days a week all the And at the age of 8, I gave my heart to Christ out of a bet, you know, the pastor had given the altar call, he
14:16 said, if you wanna receive Christ, come up to the front. And I knew in our church denomination that had I gone up front, they would have sent me back to my seat because they would have said I was too young. And so I
14:26 honestly had adopted that same mentality and so for 2 Friday nights in a row that we were in church, I remember kind of having a conversation with God inside of my heart and I said, God, I know you're calling me like I
14:38 feel your, like it was like an invisible finger in my chest, My palms are sweaty, my heart was beating real fast. Like, I knew it was God calling me. But I said, you know, God, I don't know if you know, but in our
14:47 church, the age of accountability is it's not 8, it's 12. So technically, I felt like, Julia, I had 4 more years to sin. I felt like I just had this past, I'd already had it in my head, I can do
14:59 whatever I want for the next 4 years according to how we were taught, you know, and so but that night, and as I shared last night at the conference, my dad promised me not a spanking but a woman. Girl, there's a
15:09 difference. A spanking, you know, it's more like, okay, you shouldn't do that. Mhmm. No, Johnny. No. Whooping has sound effects in the dance and had that didn't I tell you not to after he gave us like an hour sermon on
15:20 what the word said, and I didn't want 1, so I said, okay, God, if you get me out of this whooping, I'm give you my heart tonight. So that night, he gave my dad temporary amnesia. Dad completely forgot.
15:29 Good knee.
15:29 And I had remembered. And so that night, I knelt down by my bed in the room that I normally share with my sisters but no 1 else was around. I asked them to forgive me of all my sins because even at the age of 8, I
15:41 knew I was a sinner. Mhmm. I understood enough of what the grown ups had said to have faith in this God through the person of Jesus Christ to believe that the blood he had shed over 2000 years ago Mhmm. Was still
15:52 effective for me. And I knew from what I'd heard that God didn't have any grandkids, she only had sons and daughters and so the way that I became a daughter of his was for me to become born again with a new nature.
16:04 So I asked him to forgive me of all my sins and to use me. You know, I I told him last night I was still the same thumb sucking, shy, stuttering, bed wetting little girl. Don't wet the bed anymore. Thank you, Jesus. But
16:14 he decided to use me. Mhmm. And then a few years later, he gave me my very first song at the age of 12. I started writing songs. Wow. And a lady in my church said that the Lord told her to tell me he was gonna give me
16:26 songs in the night and take me around the world. And then years later, when I started having night seasons, I went through an abusive relationship for 3 years while I was here in Dallas. I lived here at the
16:38 time. That fell apart, and I was heartbroken because I was like, here I am from a stable family. My parents had been married for forever. My dad worked the same job for 38 years. They were good. They got us up every
16:49 morning at 5 AM to pray and I thought, I can't even make it work. You know, I didn't at first have the heart to tell them of the abuse I was going through but eventually they received me back and was like, we have you. I
17:00 then had a chip on my shoulder where I thought God owed me something because I was once a good girl and he still allowed me to suffer. Not knowing that I owe him everything, he owes me nothing. And he promised that we
17:10 would suffer in this world but that he would be there, we could overcome the suffering, know, he himself suffered but because I had a chip on my shoulder, I had a huge blind spot and it led me into a relationship where I
17:21 found myself in an unplanned pregnancy. And we thought we would fix it because just kinda like David and Bathsheba, David did the deed He
17:30 plotted to kill someone?
17:31 Exactly. No. Didn't no, girl, we didn't go that far.
17:33 Okay. But
17:35 you think you can fix it by, well, we'll just get married Mhmm. You know, without doing the work. You have to do the work. If you don't restore foundation, the building is still doomed to fall. And so I had to repent it
17:46 after I got busted, I'm pregnant now, I'm a repentant God, you don't have to worry about me, I'm gonna do it your way.
17:50 My
17:51 spouse did not do the same work and without any stones being thrown, you know, the next 21 years, he had multiple, multiple, multiple partners and I knew of a
18:03 lot of the stories, some of them I'm sure I still don't know and I'm okay with that. But I chose to forgive along the way every time I found out As I did the 1 who abused me, I gave it to the Lord but at the
18:15 same time, my heart was broken in certain spots, my heart was crushed. But in the crushing and in the brokenness, God began to sing through me and sing over me. And in this night season is where he began to
18:27 give me songs like,
18:28 Wary brother, broken daughter, widowed lover, you're not alone. If you're tired and scared
18:40 of the madness around you, if you can't find the strength to carry on on. When you call on Jesus,
18:52 all things are possible He gave
18:56 me songs like that and he also gave me the songs like,
19:00 The very same God that spends things in our bed. He runs to the weary, the
19:11 worn and the weak, and the same gentle hands
19:23 that hold me when I'm broken. They conquer death to bring me victor.
19:34 Reaped. Now I know my redeemer. He lives.
19:46 I know my redeemer. He lives, so let all creation
19:58 testify. Let this life within me cry, I know.
20:10 My redeemer leave here.
20:18 Oh, my word. Okay. These songs are fine. So we know Nicole Mullen does not lip sing. Oh. Right? That was incredible. Okay. So I'm gonna obviously address the fact that I'm
20:30 crying right now because that was really I want everyone who can see it know what happened. But if you don't know, like, soon as Nicole started singing, which I was just at a private concert with
20:42 Nicole, I started crying immediately. And that's something that happens in counseling a lot. Like, in the counseling office, if you can get out of your left brain to your right.
20:53 Yes. You learn a lot about that.
20:55 I wish everyone listening could have seen what happened because it's why music's important. Yeah. It's why worship's important. It's why I've been working, I think, for already, like, 5 hours today all out of the left
21:06 brain. But then it was the singing that's
21:10 just yeah.
21:11 We love Jesus, and he is there. Thank you for sharing all of that. It's awesome whenever you talk to someone who has a story like that. I wouldn't say anyone, but the people that are
21:23 willing to share because people feel so alone. I have so many friends that got pregnant, so many, a lot of friends that got pregnant outside of marriage. They didn't know how to sift through that. Yeah. Not to get super
21:34 practical, but how, you know, a lot of us did grow up thinking, oh, we better get married.
21:39 Yeah.
21:40 How do you suggest girls and women kind of figure that out?
21:44 First of all, like, I'd say make sure that you have a good it's better to have a plan before you are in something, you have a good support group. If I could do things all over again, this is what
21:56 I would have done. I've done a lot of things the wrong way, you know, and I've done some things the right way now too.
22:01 Man, looks like things are good. Well they
22:04 are, thank the Lord, I could, y'all are.
22:06 You know what, you would not have anything to sing about, you can tell, you can tell when you're listening to someone, same speaker, teacher, if they've any experience or not
22:14 or if
22:14 we're just a text situation.
22:17 Yes, yes. First of all, I'll say this, I think we need to bring abstinence back, I think we need to make abstinence sexier.
22:22 What is abstinence?
22:23 Abstinence is holding onto your treasures until you've said I do, basically. Because I think what has happened is, we as women, we as girls, we have bought into the lie of the culture
22:35 that we're only lovable if we give up what's valuable and I believe we are to hold on to what God has given us as sacred, know, like I told the women last night, I said, I think ladies
22:47 tonight is the last night of really you putting yourself on discount or on the clearing track. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Like you need to hold on to what God has given you and if he can't afford this, he can't
22:58 afford this. And I think when we start seeing who we are in Christ and that comes from knowing the word. So it's not me guessing, it's not me just making it up, it's not just me saying, well, I'm valuable because I think
23:09 I am. It's knowing the maker and if I know the maker, then I can know what the maker's purpose was for me and then I can operate in my optimum position and so I would
23:21 start there and then after if you found yourself already, you know, in situations where you've given up the treasures, you know what I'm saying? Then I'd say it's time to like I tell my girls all the time, if you wanna
23:31 keep a bag of potato chips fresh after you've started eating them, you have to shut the
23:36 bag. So good.
23:37 It's time to seal up the bag again.
23:38 I gotta tell you
23:39 Keep your rest fresh.
23:40 So I grew up in purity culture. And so it was either kiss, date, and goodbye, which I met my husband when I was 14, so that didn't apply. And then I'm sorry, I love Elizabeth Elliott, but she was like
23:52 writing letters across the seas for like 5 years. It just wasn't it was nice, so it didn't really apply to me. And the best book I ever read on all
24:03 that was Kiss the Girls That Made Them Cry, and it's Lisa Bevere.
24:08 Okay.
24:09 I was 15 and read it, and it was the first honest book about any of that that I'd ever read, and practical, and not I mean, it was just realistic. Okay. That book, like, totally changed
24:21 all kind of important things in my life. Wow. And then 25 years later, and she's someone I talked to at least once a week. So God, like, looked down and knew. And what
24:32 was funny is since I read it as a teenager, sorry, authors, we don't know who wrote these books. And so for some reason, I didn't realize it was her, and I was talking to her about something totally different. And she's
24:43 like, it's just like that, you know, my book because girls are
24:45 making You realize it was her.
24:46 No. Because I was 15.
24:48 I gotta go read it.
24:49 It's fantastic. So I just had to say that with everything we're talking about, let's just be honest, there's not a
24:54 lot of
24:54 Christian resources or even conversations about any of this, and that's fantastic. But okay, so do you have to get married if
25:02 you get pregnant? I say no. Okay. I think back in the day that was what was thought was the right remedy, no, I'd say no. If you had, I would pray that you'd have a good family structure or somebody that feels like
25:14 family that you can go to and say I need help because it might be a situation where now that you're pregnant that you may not need to keep the baby and raise the child yourself but you need to give the
25:25 baby life to allow another loving family to raise that child. So that is another option. No, because the man may not be worthy of being the husband for the princess that you are, you
25:37 know, and no slight to him, he just may not be mature in that.
25:41 And even if he is, maybe you're too young or Maybe you're too
25:44 young, yes. Exactly. And I wish that I had the wisdom back in the day to make that decision but I was so bent on not being a single mom that our statistic
25:56 that I was like, no, you'd already proposed to me 2 weeks ago so now I'm pregnant so I guess we're gonna have to make good on that 1, you know. It wasn't even, honestly, it wasn't we were just so madly in love, it was
26:07 just we thought we were doing the right thing. Yeah. You know, God used us still, God is able to work all things together for good even though all things are not going to be good, he can work things together for our
26:16 good.
26:16 So
26:16 good. I'm grateful now though, will say my daughter is 29 years old, she's a lead singer of a band called The New Respects, she's fantastic. She's a worship leader in her church. She's a published author now. She has a
26:28 couple of children's books coming out and she's been a great joy, you know. My oldest son, Maxwell, he's 25. He was adopted at 3 and a half weeks. Wow. So he became my son because someone else gave himShow more
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