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0:00 Well, God bless you. It's always a joy to preach here. I was sharing with the worship team yesterday how I can't explain it. I don't have words in English for it.0:12 I don't know what it is. But whenever I preach here, I feel a sense of freedom and joy, and even a kind of a peace in the spirit that I just don't feel anywhere else.0:24 And so it's trust me, I'm being blessed just by being here. And so today, the title of my message is Grave or0:35 Tree? And we are going to talk about forgiveness. You know 1 of those subjects that on the surface of it sounds like a good idea0:47 and then when you start digging into the scriptures and you see what Jesus says about forgiveness and what the bible teaches us as Christians, I'm speaking to the children of God today,1:00 you realize within just a few minutes that it's 1 of those things that can make or break you. I noticed that when Chris prayed this1:11 morning, he did it yesterday as well, he said, Lord, I pray that you will give us what you want to give us, but also take away. And I noticed that1:23 last night, went back to the hotel, thought about that, I've literally in my whole life never heard somebody pray that before, and I pray that today Jesus is going to take away from me and1:35 from everyone here resentment, anger, frustration, disappointment, hurt, and replace it with healing, life, joy, and peace1:46 through his forgiveness and his enabling power. And so in Mark chapter 11 verse 25 and 26, we hear1:58 these words. And whenever you stand praying or whenever you pray, if you have anything2:09 against anyone, forgive him that your father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. But if2:21 you do not forgive, neither will your father in heaven forgive your trespasses. Listen, these words2:33 are for people like us, most of us, who already have a relationship with Jesus. Wait, Lord, what are you saying? I'm saved. I mean, I'm going to heaven by the2:45 work of Jesus on the cross and his forgiveness of my sins. I have this incredible, immeasurable thing called salvation, this free gift by faith from you. What2:57 are you saying to me that if I don't forgive people like you forgave me, you're not gonna forgive me? What does that mean? Many times in my3:09 life, like I'm sure I would assume all of us, if you're over the age of 20 anyway or even 15, have been betrayed3:21 and deeply hurt by my family. Some of you know I shared a little bit about it. I'm gonna talk about it in more depth today, particularly my relationship with my father who3:33 for many, many years I hated because he was so violent and abusive and and did so much damage to my brother and I and to my sister and to my mom.3:45 And then by teachers, I was molested when I was 9 at school. Parents, I'm not saying you shouldn't trust any teacher, obviously there are those3:57 that you can. Make sure you know what the heck is going on with your kids always, everywhere, and make sure you have an honest and close enough relationship with them that they will tell you the4:09 minute anything, anybody does anything inappropriate with them because just a few weeks of of wrong stuff can do damage for years and years4:21 and years. And then again when I was in high school, when I was 15, I was in the military in South Africa, I had to go, I was conscripted. It was during the apartheid era4:33 in South Africa, we were at war with every country on our border, and we had a civil war internally. It really was a case of you never took any day for granted. You didn't4:45 go to school or even drop your kids at school thinking, well, I'll see you this afternoon because you didn't know. But while I was in the military, I also experienced the kind of4:56 I don't know, it was more psychological and definitely physical abuse. And it was confusing because I'm like, I'm literally giving you 2 years of my life, why are you treating me like this?5:08 And then I've also been deeply deeply betrayed by some church leaders, know. Actually most of the pastors that I've worked5:20 with or under have been real bananas, quite honestly. I mean men of God who are trying their best, but then had parts to them that I learned more of what not to do than what to do,5:32 you know. And please don't get me wrong, obviously in my life, I have unconsciously and sometimes unfortunately consciously have also been a banana to others.5:44 Isn't that a great word? You can apply it to anything. It's a very South African thing, you can either say, oh, don't be such a banana, you know, let's watch the movie or you can say, don't be such a banana, you know,5:57 and you can associate whatever meaning you want. And then also in the last 7, 8 years being back in the business world, man, have6:08 I encountered some bananas, capital b, drop shadow, underlined, italicized, the hundred and 20 font, crooks deluxe. I literally worked for a con man for 2 and6:20 a half years like a world class. I wanted to print a t shirt. I I wish I was joking that said, survived a real con man. Like these guys you see on TV, you know,6:32 who also claimed to be a Christian. But here's the points of what I've just said to you. You know, in in in every case, this kind of covers every arena of my life, but in every6:44 case, because I'm a Christian, I had to forgive and I have forgiven every 1 of those people who's done damage to me.6:58 And you know why? Because God requires it of me. Yeah. Because it's a commandment. We just read it in Mark and we're gonna see a few more verses where we are7:09 instructed to forgive those who harm us. It is a part of our Christian faith. When I didn't know Jesus, I7:21 was, as a young man, very angry, very angry, always funny, wicked in my thoughts and some of my actions, but very7:32 angry. And the night that I was saved, that I gave my life to Christ, I was delivered of a spirit of anger. But when I was unsaved, I was filled with7:44 unforgiveness. I used to friends, I'm I'm ashamed of it. Oh, not anymore. The Lord has forgiven me. I used to be ashamed of it and embarrassed to say, but now it's part of my testimony.7:55 It's necessary. It's a good thing. I used to just to show the change Jesus has made in my life so completely and profoundly, I used to say publicly to my father, I hope you die today.8:07 I remember 1 time in front of 1 of his best friends saying, I hope when you step out into the street, a car runs over you and they back over you 3 times to make sure you're dead and I'm not taking you to the funeral home8:18 and I'm not coming to the cemetery. And you know, obviously it really really hurt him. Now look, in those days I used to say he deserved that cause in my mind I really believed that,8:31 but not understanding as a parent myself how damaging that would be for your kid to say that to you. But the night that I was saved, I felt physically8:44 and definitely spiritually like 1000 tons had been lifted off my shoulders. I went from a very angry guy to the smiling kind of floating on air8:55 the first few months of my salvation. I was baptized in the holy spirit and speaking tongues. 2 months later, God healed me of a back problem, you know, and in fact, so much so that my parents wanted9:07 me to see a psychologist because they thought that I was in a cult and that I'd been taken captive and they sat me down 1 evening and I was like, alright, what's happened to you? We actually prefer9:19 the old Lorenzo because he was more predictable, you know. That's the kind of change that Jesus brings into your life. In Matthew 6 verse9:31 12, in the Lord's we call it the Lord's Prayer, but really it's the disciples prayer. Right? Because the disciples came to Jesus and said, please, will you teach us how to pray? I9:42 think it is a combination of 2 things, that they were used to seeing him speaking to his father and wanted to understand better, like what's9:54 happening there? Because whenever you speak to your father, it's kind of you come down the mountain or if you're even just 100 feet away, when you come back to us, like miracles happen, so we'd like some of that.10:06 And then part of it was them beginning to grow in their relationship with him and understanding more and more the kingdom of God, and they just wanted a better understanding of10:18 what prayer actually is. And so Jesus teaches them this prayer, our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come. And he says these words,10:30 and forgive us our debts as we also have forgiven our debtors. In other words,10:42 let's reverse that. As we have forgiven those who are indebted to us, so please Lord will you forgive us. In10:54 other words, for the followers of Jesus, for those of us who are Christ followers, God has an expectation that as he forgave us, we read that starting11:06 off this morning, that in the same way, and by the way, you can only do it in his strength. I do believe it is impossible for a11:18 person without the power of the Holy Spirit in their life to properly and completely forgive. You can be unsaved and partly forgive, but to completely be free,11:31 only the power of God can make that real because only God went and died on the cross and actually took your sins and mine and forgave us.11:43 And it's that same Holy Spirit who enabled Jesus to do that who now dwells in us. And so it teaches us in the disciples' prayer that God has this11:54 expectation of us. So that's in the gospels. When we come into the epistles, the Apostle Paul writes in Ephesians 4 32, be kind to 112:06 another. Even for people who don't support the patriots, be kind to 1 another. Tender hearted,12:17 forgiving 1 another as God in Christ forgave you. Friends, you could take that line and spend the rest of the12:29 year trying to just grasp those words. As God in Christ forgave me, I must forgive those12:41 around me. The Bible teaches us clearly that forgiveness is not optional for Christians, but it's actually a12:52 commandment that is necessary for our spiritual growth as well as for living a peaceful and fulfilling life.13:04 If you are not free from unforgiveness, it's not impossible, but it's very difficult to fulfill the calling that God has in your life and to live the kind of13:16 abundant life that Jesus speaks about. Because friends, forgiveness is life. It unlocks freedom and freshness in our spiritual life.13:27 When you've forgiven somebody genuinely and you've cried your tears or even if you haven't, but don't you feel that freshness? It introduces new life into yours. It13:39 enables new power. The Holy Spirit invades you and flows through you. It allows God's anointing to move through you so freely. And I don't know about13:51 you, but when I forgive somebody, I instantly feel drawn closer to the Lord. And I know now what that is. It's because I've just behaved like who he is.14:03 I've just become a little bit more like Jesus. And so my spirit is able to commune with his that much more easily. I also believe that forgiveness, because14:15 it's Christ likeness, attracts the presence and the favor of God. Right? Isn't that beautiful? Thank you. I imagine God in heaven going,14:27 oh, I just she just forgave. I wanna be with her. He just oh, what happened there? Let's go find out. I imagine your angels throwing a bit of a14:38 party, forgiveness or whatever. I just made that up. That's just terrible, but you know what I mean. You get the picture. And then this is what I love most about it is that forgiveness gives14:50 me the courage to obey again and then it builds my trust in God because he promised me that if I15:02 forgive others, he will forgive me. And I've recently, just in the last 3 or 4 months, been using this beautiful phrase that God has given me personally, but I love to share this any15:13 opportunity I have. I want to feel the pleasure of the father. And when I forgive somebody, I feel the pleasure of God. I feel15:25 the smile of God upon me. I sense the joy of the Lord, and I feel him, you know, kind of hugging me and like, my child, I'm so proud of you. Because15:37 when we forgive, we are being like Jesus, and nothing pleases the father more than us being Christ like. Forgiveness15:50 starts as an act of obedience and then grows bit by bit into a life of love. Let me16:02 say that again. Every act of obedience, every forgiveness, every time you forgive starts with an act of obedience and we're gonna talk about that practically how to do that.16:14 But then it begins to grow and grow and grow eventually where you find yourself living a life of love. And my friends, what is the ultimate goal of every16:26 Christian on the face of the earth? To obey the great commandment which is to love the Lord your God with all of you and16:38 at the same time to love your neighbor as yourself. Do you realize that if we as a country, we as a church, we as a16:49 family only got those 2 things right, it would completely revolutionize our culture, our17:01 politics, our family life, our educational system, everything. So I wanna tell you a story of where this message for me17:13 harks back to. I was 22, 23. I'd met the love of my life, Delray. We knew within 10, 12 days that we wanted to get married and be together.17:26 But in this time of war in South Africa, it was a Friday evening, I remember exactly where I was, I can smell the smells, feel the feelings, never forget it, and this Afrikaans, this Dutch news reader17:38 came on at 9 o'clock and said, by decree of the president under the emergency laws, kind of like South Africa's version of the Patriot Act, but more17:50 extreme, a decree has been issued that if you are under 25 and have lived in South Africa because I wasn't born there but I was a citizen, and have lived there for18:01 5 years or more, you have to go to the army, and in those days you served for 2 years, after your 2 years, you did 2 months for another 12 years, and until you18:13 were 52, you did 2 weeks a year. And so it was a hang of a commitment. And you had 90 days to decide to either be conscripted and go18:25 and surrender your life for 2 years. I already had, you know, I had finished college, I just started working, or you had to leave the country, surrender your passport, surrender your citizenship, and you18:37 could never ever come back again. So I prayed and fasted, prayed and fasted, got advice from lots of people, and eventually the Lord just said to me, trust me, go. Anyway, I went into the18:49 military. So because we were at war with every country on our borders and internally, we all, in high school and even in college, we all had lost friends, young men,19:01 like for you in Vietnam in the sixties and seventies where the average age of your soldiers was 19. For us, the average age of soldiers dying was 19 20 as well.19:13 And the country was outstanding at propaganda, so we only found out years afterwards how many people were dying. We just knew that Paul went and never came home again. And19:25 so, anyway, I you know, you understood that when you were in the army, if you were posted to the border or 1 of the townships where there was a civil war happening, there was a 50 50 chance19:37 that you were not gonna come back. So I write this letter to my parents. Really, was for my dad, and I forgive them. I say, you know, it was like 3 pages long,19:49 and I scribbled it out 1 night because we used to get like 4 hours sleep a night, you exhausted all that good stuff. And I wrote and I send it to them the second week that I'm there because we knew20:01 that after 6 weeks you would get a phone call for 2 minutes. After 6 weeks. Okay. Anyway, write the letter, send it off, I forgive20:13 you, please forgive me, I don't know what's gonna happen, but I don't hold anything against you. And I was still, although I was saved, I was still very angry towards my dad. Okay. Because he was like a bunch20:25 of bananas. Anyway, never said that before. Thank you, Waters Church. You bring out the best in me. Anyway, get the phone call, come on, my mom comes on, hey mom, how's20:36 it going? Dad comes on, short little, you know, aggressive Italian guy. Guess what his first question is? How's the food? Well, it's20:48 terrible because my mother was the best cook in the world. So I'm like, really? That's what you wanna know? So then halfway through, after about a minute, I'm not making any of this up, this lieutenant comes21:00 and starts screaming in my ear, get off the phone. You know, it's the next guy's turn, etcetera. And I turned to him, man, I'm not a violent person. I want to21:11 clobber this guy because my next question was, did you get the letter? And my dad goes, yeah. And I said, well, did21:23 you read it? Yeah. And then the lieutenant takes the phone and just hangs it up. I was so friends, it takes a lot for me to get21:35 angry. I was so angry and so upset. I go and I find a little corner in the in the in that camp, in that boot camp, and I I wept. I mean, I didn't just cry. I was so angry.21:47 Admourned my father and my parents. I was like, because in my heart, I was like, I could be posted to the border and never and really, the last thing you said to me was that you read it, but because I21:58 was I was saying to the what I was hoping for was that they would say, yes, we read it and we forgive you too. And anyway, as I'm crying,22:11 there's a moment of quiet and as clearly as I'm talking to you this morning, the Holy Spirit whispers to me just gently but clearly, Lorenzo,22:22 why are you expecting unsaved, ungodly people who don't know me and don't know my word to22:34 behave like Christians. And I was like, and then this changed my life. The spirit says to me, you're22:46 born again, you're filled with me, you go first. You go first. You22:58 forgive them and the Lord literally gave me this instruction and I was aware that it was Jesus speaking to me and he said this, say out loud where you are now, I was actually on my knees in the dirt,23:11 I forgive you, dad, and name him, and I forgive you, mom, and name her. And I just did that. And I can't explain it to you. It's 1 of those spiritual mysteries, which I'm sure in heaven, I'll23:23 find out how this works 1 day, but it was absolutely gorgeous. And I felt this weight lifted. It was similar to the night that I was saved a few years earlier. And I I had this23:34 understanding that by being obedient and doing the right thing according to the scripture and forgiving them, that legally, in the23:45 spirit, I had forgiven my father. Now, it took me 3 and a half years for my23:57 feelings to catch up with that spiritual act. Because you know forgiveness, especially when there's been a lot of damage done, is a process,24:09 right? It takes time. Letting go of resentment and anger and stuff by the way that you either had learned to live with or that you had pushed under24:21 so deeply and that the Lord very carefully like a perfect surgeon when you're ready says okay, let's fix this part. Okay, let's fix that24:32 part. I found that God doesn't always just fix everything all at once because we wouldn't know what to do with it. It takes, let's deal with those thoughts, let's24:44 deal with those feelings, let's deal with this person, let's deal with that experience. And so I've titled this message Grave or Tree because24:56 to me, unforgiveness is like an open grave. It's not a grave that you're in and you're in the coffin and the lid is closed and you're dead and25:08 gone, it's like a grave that you live in that you could escape out of if you really wanted to, but you know what? You're in this place that's half death and half25:20 life, and you feel held back, and you can't quite do the things that you really wanna do, and it's very frustrating, and it keeps you in this cycle of anger and resentment and25:31 frustration, then you have moments of hope, and then you think you're gonna get out of this thing, and then you find yourself just back in it again. But in complete25:43 contrast and totally opposites, and it's underground, so to speak, forgiveness is like a tree of life that's growing, and it's healthy, and it's full of25:55 fruits, and that's actually giving sustenance to so many others because it's so alive and it's above ground. In Mark 11 2026:07 five-twenty 6, write the scripture that we started with. Whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone. And listen, if you live26:19 in this world, there's a really good chance you've got something against someone, right? Forgiveness is not a 1 time thing, especially where there's been deep hurt.26:30 Forgive him that your father may also forgive you. To me, unforgiveness is having negative feelings towards this26:42 person who's hurt you and it manifests in anger or bitterness, sarcasm, impatience,26:54 sometimes cynicism, often doubt or lack of trust, fear, suspicion, that was me, and even arrogance.27:06 I don't know, you're the 1 who hurt me, I'm better than you. It's basically a refusal to grant pardon or to grant27:17 amnesty, but you know the truth is that unforgiveness so often, more than often, impacts the person who holds it more than the27:29 person who's caused the damage. It's like a whole second and third and fourth layer of hurt except that now it's self afflicted.27:42 I know as a pastor of many years, forget that, as a human being of more years than I'd like to admit of many years, that if forgiveness is left unresolved, it can27:53 lead to emotional and psychological and spiritual problems. It can lead to depression or anxiety and definitely to28:05 fear. If you're sitting here this morning, you're watching online and you have any of the feelings that I've mentioned, there's a chance, there's probably a good chance that28:17 there's some kind of unforgiveness in your heart. And I'm here to say to you today, stop living in a grave. Let Jesus get you out of that grave by the28:29 power of his holy spirit because he's got better things for you to do. He's got a life for you to live. He's got ministry for you to do in his strength, in his love, and in his joy. Amen. He28:40 has an abundant life for you, and the key to getting into that life is forgiveness. So unforgiveness always involves 3 people.28:53 The other person who's hurt you, God and yourself. So you're saying to the other person when you choose to not to not forgive them, I won't29:05 release you. I'm holding on to you through this thing. You're saying to God, I won't obey you. As a child of yours, you've commanded me to forgive,29:17 but I choose not to. And you're saying to yourself, I don't want freedom, I don't want peace, I don't want joy, I choose to stay in my prison.29:30 Forgiveness is a tree of life, and that's my message today. Luke 17 verses 3 and 4, take heed to yourselves. If your29:42 brother sins against you, rebuke him. And by the way, yes, there's another verse that I would parallel with this, speak the truth in love. In29:54 love. The bible doesn't say that anger is a sin. You can be angry when somebody has hurt you, it just says don't sin in your anger. So30:06 you can rebuke somebody who sins against you. Here's kicker though. And if he repents, forgive him. And if30:18 he sins against you 7 times in a day, and 7 times in a day returns to you saying, I repent, you shall forgive him. So right now, how many wives just nudged30:29 their husbands and said, I hope you're listening to this bro. Because we haven't even had breakfast yet and you're already at number 5. Forgiveness is30:41 literally in the legal sense, but also in the spiritual sense, the act of pardoning an offender. Literally giving pardon to someone who's offended you. It's the process of30:53 letting go of anger, letting go of resentment, and most of all, letting go of the desire for revenge against the person31:05 who's wronged you. In fact, some of us, or part of the goal of it, is even to get you to a place31:17 where you can even have compassion and understanding toward the person who's wronged you. That's happened to me so many times.31:31 My parents sent me to Italy when I was 19, right at the height of my hatred towards my father to spend the time with with his family in Italy. I was bringing him over some31:42 money and I spent a month with his mom and his sister, they're both dead now. I remember coming back coming back to South Africa and at the airport, saw my parents,31:54 know, and I greeted them and then I looked at my dad and I said, dad, you're an you're an angel. And he goes, what, what, you know. And32:06 I said, compared to your mom and your sister, you're an angel. Now the irony is that my father had been so badly32:18 treated by his mother, but had this psychochondriac relationship with her, maybe you have family members or relatives or friends like this, where he was still afraid of her even into32:30 his fifties and sixties and dared not say a word against her. Everybody else in his life was like, she's literally psycho. She's horrible. She's32:42 like, don't eat the soup kind of person, you know. I only saw her 4 times in my life and it was enough. I literally would not let our kids ever meet my father's relatives32:54 because they were that broken and that mean. And when I was younger, I didn't understand where it was coming from. But after meeting his family in his village, I began to feel a bit of33:06 compassion towards my dad because they would gladly and openly talk about the times when they used to beat him, like on his twentieth birthday, he was supposed to be home at midnight and he came home33:18 at 20 past, so the next morning my grandma or served him breakfast and then broke the big wooden spoon that they used to make polenta, you know, those of33:30 you who are Italian or Spanish, you know what I'm talking about, broke it over his head and cut his head open and was bleeding and had to have stitches. Happy birthday, dad. So when I said to him, you're an angel, then33:42 he was so angry with me because, you know, he said, what are you talking about? I said, oh, no. Your mother's psycho. She's crazy. Like compared to her, you're normal, you know. Anyway, he didn't get the33:53 joke. I I meant it too. But forgiveness like unforgiveness also involves 3 people. You and God and the other person. What34:05 you're saying to God is this, it's beautiful. Lord, I believe you when you say that if I forgive you will forgive me. There's a34:17 powerful word here because when you've been hurt, what's the thing that you lose that is most precious? Trust. It's very34:28 difficult, sometimes impossible to trust those who've really hurt you. Right? It's like whatever they say, you just don't believe them. And so when you do forgive and you experience34:40 God's forgiveness, and you're saying when you when you give forgiveness, you're saying to the Lord, I believe you and I trust you that your kingdom works this way, that if34:51 I obey your command, you will fix me. And I am living testimony as I'm sure many of you are to the fact that that's absolutely true. You're saying to the other person,35:04 I free you. Be free. No more chains. There's no revenge in my heart. I'm not gonna come after you. You don't have to look over your shoulder. You know what?35:16 When you still keep doing your stuff, I'm not gonna talk back. I'm not gonna let it get to me. I'm free. I want you to be free. And you say to yourself, I'm getting up out of that35:28 grave, and I'm gonna become a tree of life like Jesus. I'm going to become a source of life and of joy and of peace for others.35:40 Alright. So let's bring this to a close. How do you and I actually forgive somebody? And I'm gonna share a few things that have worked for me35:52 and that have worked for many others that I've known over the years and I hope that at least 2 or 3 of these are things that you can take home and today that you can put into practice.36:04 The first thing is like happened that evening in the boot camp, is you've got to make a decision to forgive. You know how love is a36:16 choice? You know that saying, you can choose your friends but you can't choose your family? In the kingdom of God, you can choose your savior36:28 because he's choosing you but you can't choose his commands. We've gotta be obedient to all of them. And so I and you have to make a36:39 decision to forgive regardless of our feelings. And when we do the right thing, I promise you, I'm living proof of it,36:51 God will make sure as he heals you that your feelings will catch up with the spiritual act that you took, that act of obedience.37:03 Decide to let go of those negative feelings. How it worked for me is that because you know, for those 3 and a half years after I'd forgiven my dad, you know, I37:14 mean, we'd get on the phone or when I'd get some leave and I'd fly down to Cape Town and see him, and he was still him. So he'd still be his racist, mean spirited, rude to my mom self,37:27 and those feelings would immediately boil to the surface. And what I learned to do was to shut my mouth and not immediately say something, but to37:38 remember that I've forgiven him, ask the Holy Spirit for his strength to help me to control my emotions, but I would do what the37:50 scripture says is rebuke those who sin against you. And so I would calmly say to my dad, dad, no. None of that38:02 language. Friends, when my daughter was 9 months old, I walked out of the kitchen into our lounge and he's giving her beer38:15 and he thought nothing of it. You know, he's not an he really is an evil guy. And I was like, what are you doing? Woah, what's wrong she wanted? I'm38:27 like, she's 9 months old. Of course she wants. She was standing up against a little table. And so she got a bit of a fright. I didn't even raise my voice, but I pulled him aside after that. I said, dad, if you ever do38:38 that again, you just can't be around her. I'm your father. How dare you speak to me like this? Well, what? 2 days later,38:50 same scenario, except this time he's giving her red wine. So I was you know, my feelings got a little bit better. And so I immediately,39:01 I dragged him, I took him outside. I said, what did I say to you the other day? Yeah, but it's just you know, because in his mind, was like, my son's not gonna tell me what to do. And I said to him, I calmed down right39:13 away and I said, listen, I went like this, I said, look at me, if you do that 1 more time, you will not be around your granddaughter. You know what, before they left, he39:24 apologized. He was like, you're right, because when my mother found out, I mean, we heard her screaming at him from 3 rooms away, God bless moms. But I learned even inShow more
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