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0:00 You are listening to Waters Church podcast. Waters Church is a multisite, multigeneration community of faith on the East Coast of America. Now for a message from our pastor.0:13 Well, good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Are you done Christmas shopping? There's only a few people left. I'm0:25 sure. 1 of them is me. Amen. Okay. Well, good morning and and welcome. And everybody take out your notes. They look like this. I wanna talk to you on the topic of have you heard the word? Have you0:36 heard the word? And we're in John chapter 1, and it is a Christmas weekend. We have Christmas Eve services, and I wanna remind you, at all0:48 of our locations, you can check out when the Christmas Eve services are at waters church dot guide. Waters church dot guide, all locations. Right on your phone, you can click on1:00 that, and you can see, from your location when the services are. Come on out for Christmas Eve. Let's not forget why it's called Christmas.1:12 It's because of Christ. In fact, the word Christ en masse means thankful. Christ thankful. We're thankful for Christ.1:25 Today, we're gonna take a look, however, at an uncommon Christmas text. Usually, in around these days, we talk about the manger and the1:36 stable, and we've presented that to you already in this service, and, we're not gonna do that in the message. We're gonna go to John's gospel. John's gospel is a1:48 cosmic gospel. You have to understand there are 4 accounts of the life of Jesus. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. There are 3 gospels, Matthew, Mark, and Luke. We call them the1:59 synoptic gospels. Sin meaning same and optic meaning to see. And so Matthew, Mark, and Luke, they see Jesus in a very similar2:11 way, and there are similar passages in those first 3 gospels, but John is different. They call John's gospel the heavenly gospel, the gospel according2:23 to heaven. How are we to see the arrival of Jesus from heaven's point of view? And what John wants us to do is zoom out. Somebody2:35 say, zoom out. Zoom You ever take a picture and you've zoomed in too close, and you've missed the scenery, and you realize after you took the picture it was too close. You missed the maybe2:47 you were in front of a mountain or a lake or some beautiful image, and then if you don't zoom out enough, you'll miss the perspective of that moment. And2:58 sometimes, I think when it comes to Christmas, we miss the perspective of this moment. For sure, our world is very familiar, and you're probably very familiar3:10 with the manger and the stable, the quiet night, the silent night, the holy night, the shepherds praising God, the3:22 angels bellowing from the heavens, the wise men traveling from the east. Matthew and Luke do a really wonderful job telling that part, the earthly picture of3:34 Jesus's arrival. But John wants us to think much bigger. He wants us to zoom out on what Jesus and his3:45 coming really means. Verse 1, he says, in the beginning. Now, right off the bat, we know that John is lifting right out of the pages3:57 of scripture. Genesis chapter 1 language, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. So John is drawing our attention to something far more4:09 big, larger than just a baby in a manger. Everything has a beginning. You have a beginning. This church had a beginning. I had a the world had a4:21 beginning. The universe had a beginning. Who was there at the beginning? John says, verse 1, in the beginning was the word. Look at that phrase, in the beginning was4:33 the word. The word for word in Greek is logos. Logos is an intentional phrase that John has picked up from the Greek philosophers of his day.4:45 Heraclitus, an ancient Greek philosopher from the fourth century, actually postulated the first understanding of the logos. Somebody say logos. Now you know a Greek word that you4:56 can impress your friends with at lunch today. The logos according to Heraclitus was the governing rational principle that held5:08 the universe together. The Greeks were like us. They were thinkers. They were philosophizers. They wanted to examine the created order and understand it. And they understood that5:20 for some reason, the seasons were always fixed and orderly, that the earth was a system that ran according to certain laws or principles that5:32 govern them, that the seasons come, summer, winter, spring, fall, and and they're always there, and the sun rises, the sun sets. So there must be5:45 a guiding principle, a guiding order to all that we see. They called that order the Logos. So John, who many believe is writing from the5:56 ancient city of Ephesus, and I've been there, and our church is actually going over to the Mediterranean in the fall in October. I'm so excited to bring, I think, group6:08 of about 100 of you, amen. That's wonderful. Are coming with us to the Mediterranean where we will walk in the footsteps of Paul, and 1 of the places we will stop at is ancient Ephesus. In6:20 ancient Ephesus, and I've been there, there are the remains of 1 of the most, well known libraries in the Greek world. It's a Celsus library, and6:32 John most likely visited that library and read the stoics and the philosophers of his day and wanted to communicate6:44 to them on their terms that all of their philosophies were actually pointing to the Lord Jesus Christ, who is God from6:56 the beginning of time, God to the end of time, and even God before there was time. He is the logos. Is this is is this this is incredible that John does this. The7:07 guiding principle of the universe is the word of God. And later he says, the word became flesh.7:19 The guiding principle of the universe put on flesh and bones, came to this earth, was born in a manger, lived and walked among us, was7:31 put on a cross, put in a grave, and came out 3 days later, and then ascended to the right hand side of God the father. And that governing principle of the universe, listen to me today,7:43 wants to know you. Wants to have a relationship with you. Wants to lead you and guide you and direct you. Here's how John7:55 writes the rest of verse 1. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God. The implication being that right from the beginning, we understand that God within8:07 himself, God the father, God the son, God the holy spirit, they are a relational being. They are a community. The trinity is at the cornerstone of8:18 biblical Christianity. And who was there with God the father creating the world, but God the son and God the holy spirit. In fact, Genesis chapter 1 says, in the beginning, God created the8:30 heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and void, and the spirit of God, there's the Holy Spirit, was hovering over the surface of the deep, and God said, words came out of8:42 his mouth, there's the sun, Let there be light, and there was light. Right in the first page of the bible, we have a picture of the holy trinity8:54 working together to bring about all that we know and understand. And make no mistake, and this is of utmost importance for you to understand that God,9:06 the son, was and is eternally God throughout eternity past, is God today, and will always be God into eternity future.9:18 The Bible says he was in the beginning with God. It's not just a baby born in a manger. He's not just a religious teacher. He's not a philosophy.9:30 And listen to me, he's not a way to God the father. No. He is the way, the truth, and the life. He's the only way to God the father. For all9:42 people from all walks of life, the same door to heaven for me is the 1 God offers to you through Jesus Christ, the son of the most high God who was with God in the9:53 beginning. Understand that Orthodox Christianity is rooted on the eternality of Christ. All other10:05 cults, all other false Christianities deny the deity of Jesus. Mormons deny the deity of of Jesus. They believe he became God,10:17 but they actually teach that he was a created being. Mormons were founded by a guy named Joseph Smith in the 18 hundreds. Joseph Smith claimed that an angel from heaven helped him find some10:29 gold plates buried on a hill in Palmyra, New York, and suddenly he had a new revelation. He was also a Freemason, by the way, and he came up with a new religion with10:41 new insights that are totally false that attack the deity of Jesus Christ. And listen to me. This happened in the 18 hundreds. A lot of10:53 crazy things were happening in the 18 hundreds, and I'm not going to trust some guy in upstate New York with gold plates over the guy who walked and talked with Jesus Christ. Amen,11:05 somebody. And then they just they also claimed that Jesus was the spirit brother of Lucifer. They believe that your salvation is based on what you do, not what11:17 Christ has done. Mormons need to repent and receive the true word of Jesus Christ. Jehovah's Witnesses are another11:28 example of a false Christianity. Jehovah's Witnesses were started again by another spiritual guru who believed that Jesus was the incarnation of the11:40 archangel Michael. That he didn't actually physically rise from the dead, he just spiritually rise rose from the dead. Again, a denial of the11:52 deity of Jesus Christ. Likewise, Islam denies the deity of Jesus Christ. They believe that Jesus was a prophet, that he12:04 actually didn't die. Judas took his place on the cross, and Jesus ascended to the to heaven. And they do believe that Jesus is coming back, and he will die then and reveal Muhammad in the last day.12:16 They deny the deity of deity of Christ. Listen to me very carefully. You know a doctrine is important when the devil does everything he can to try and12:28 deny it. The deity of Christ is the most important doctrine that you and I can come to grips with today on Christmas12:40 20 24. Because if God became 1 of us, then he knows how it feels to be a human. And because he's God, he not12:52 only can feel it as a human, but ladies and gentlemen, he can heal it as our divine physician. He's the 1 who is able to do exceedingly, abundantly above13:03 all you can ask or imagine. Your life is complete in Jesus Christ because he is God, eternity past to eternity future, and he has the13:15 capacity to fill you up. Amen. Later in John's gospel, when Jesus is praying in the garden before the cross, he prays this prayer in John 1713:27 verse 5. He says, father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory, look at these words, that I had with you when? Before the13:40 world existed. Yes. It is much more than a cute story in Bethlehem. It is the invasion, the visitation of almighty13:51 God into the human experience so that all humans, no matter where they come from, no matter their shape, size, color, or creed, can know the father intimately and communally.14:03 And here's today's message, have you heard the word of God? Through Jesus Christ, we come to know the father. We come to know his communicable attributes.14:15 In fact, that's that's the the implication of the idea word. When when you hear words, you hear communication. And I wonder who needs to understand this today. God wants to communicate14:27 with you. Some of you might be under the impression, I don't think he wants anything to do with me. I'm not that good of a person. He doesn't you understand what I've done. You don't you don't understand who I am or14:39 where I come from. Surely, God wants nothing to do with me. Oh, my friend, the bible is very clear, and Jesus is very clear. He wants to talk to you. He wants to know14:51 you. He wants to reveal himself to you. Through this text in John, we come to know 4 key truths about the word made flesh. Number 1, write this down. He is the source15:03 of all good things. He is the source of all good things. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Where? Through the word. And God said, let there be15:15 light. And God said, let the land separate from the sea. And God said, let there be stars in the sky. And God said, let the land produce visitation. And every single time, 10 times in fact, God speaks in Genesis 1,15:27 creation happens. How? Through his word. John 1 3 says, all things were made through Jesus, through him. And as if to make it15:39 as clear as possible, And without him was not anything made that was made. Interesting thing about, the, Jehovah's Witnesses. They have their own bible, the New15:51 World Translation, and they add a indefinite article in John chapter 1 verse 1. They add, in the beginning was the word, and the word was a god. And that's to suggest that Jesus was16:02 another form of God or became a god, but that actually is completely disconnected from the Greek language. Interesting fact. The Greek language has no indefinite article. We have definite16:14 articles. The is a definite article. A is an indefinite article. The Greek language has no indefinite article. Therefore, they presuppose the article where there isn't even an article in the16:25 language. Therefore, they make it up to suit their own ambitions. No. It's not he was a god. In the beginning, he was god. And then their argument fails on the merits in verse 3 because John16:37 reaffirms in John 3. All things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made. Therefore, if16:49 Jesus was a created being, verse 3 would be a lie. But verse 3 makes it clear. If it's created, Jesus created it. Now I have a question for all of you. Are you created?17:02 Jesus created you. If you are here, you are here because Jesus thought of you. The psalmist said, all the days17:14 of my life were written in a book. Listen. Before 1 of them came to be. God thought of you before your parents17:26 thought of you. God thought of you before you were even conceived. John says in verse 4, in him was life. Where do I get my life? I get my17:38 life from him, and that life was the light of men. The Greek language has 3 words for life. 3 3 words for life. Some of them you're familiar with. Bios, from which we17:50 get biology. That's a term that refers to natural or material life, your skin and your bones and the trees and the mountains. That's bios according to the Greek language. And then it has another word18:01 called or from which we get psychology. That is the mental life, your thought life. And the third word in the Greek language for life is zoe. I love the name18:13 Zoe. Do we have any Zoe's in the house at all of our at oh, beautiful. And, I have a dog named Zoe. I love her. Anyway, my third John was supposed to be Zoe, and it was18:25 a boy, so he became Jake, my first dog became Zoe. That's how that works. But Zoe is a life that is beyond substance according to the Greek language. Actually, Zoe, it refers18:36 to the spiritual uncreated life originating in God. Here's what John is saying. Your life originates. Your spiritual life originates in18:48 God. Without God, listen, you have no spiritual life. With Christ, your life comes alive.18:59 The light shines in the darkness, John says, and the darkness has not overcome it. 2000 years later, and the church19:11 is still here, my friends. Kingdoms have risen and kingdoms have fallen. They said the Roman Empire was unstoppable, and it stopped. They said the Ottomans19:23 were unstoppable, and they stopped. They said the British Empire, the sun never set, and now the sun is setting on the British Empire. And right now, America might be the world's superpower, but someday it19:35 will not be. But I got 1 thing to guarantee to you today, that the church of Jesus Christ will still be on the earth expanding through the power of the Holy Spirit because the19:47 light shines in the darkness and the darkness does not overcome it. If you have Christ, you have life in you. Now, I want to think about this even19:58 biologically because he is the source of all life. He is the source of your physical life. I stumbled across a video a couple of months ago, and I couldn't wait to share this with you, waiting for the20:10 perfect weekend to share it. But through the magic or the wonders of scientific discovery, and I have no idea how they do this, But they have been able to film the conception20:22 moment of an egg in a woman's uterus. And amazingly, something happens that's going to blow your mind, and I have a video to show you of this. This is when20:34 the sperm, let's put it up on the screen, comes into the egg, and I don't again, don't know who's putting the camera on this egg doing this, but it's happening. And when the egg is fertilized, there is suddenly20:45 a flash of light at your conception moment. Understand when you took life into your being, in your20:57 mother's womb, Jesus was the author of that life. And I'm telling you, the best way to live is to stick21:09 with the light that started you. Amen, somebody. Don't wander from that light. You might wander into darkness. Good news. Jesus invades the darkness and comes and gets you. You might be21:21 living under a cloud of darkness now. Good news. Jesus can shine in you through his wonderful word and bring to you the light of the knowledge of the glory of God and bring you back to himself and into a life of21:33 fruitfulness and abundance in Jesus' name. The same light that started you is the light that holds you and the light that completes you. That's why John 1 verse 9 says, the true light, which gives21:45 light to everyone, was coming into the world. Not only in our conception moment was light involved, but the conception of the universe21:57 included light. I don't know if you know this, but up until the last century, up until the twentieth century, science believed that the universe was static22:09 and fixed. In fact, there used to be a show called The Cosmos. It was hosted by a guy named Carl Sagan. I don't know if you remember that. And he opened that store that show with the famous phrase,22:21 the universe was all there ever was and all there ever is. And that was predicated on faulty science that predates the twentieth century.22:34 The reality is a guy named Albert Einstein, who was a patent clerk, came up with something called the theory of relativity. And then a little later, a guy named Edwin Hubble looked through a telescope and saw red22:46 frequency wave shifts in the solar system and stratosphere and understood that there was movement, there was acceleration, there was, listen,22:57 expansion of the universe. And anything that is growing and anything that is expanding by implication had to have a beginning. This was23:09 a scientific understanding altering discovery that the universe was not static, that it was not always here, that it actually could trace its origin23:21 to a finite point in time or before time. And so the scientists came up with a new theory, a theory that you're very familiar with. It's called the big, what,23:33 Bang theory. That at 1 point, small an infinitesimally small collection of of energy exploded, and we are23:45 here billions of years later. In fact, the official theory of the big bang the official theory of the big bang reads like this, quote, electrons packed into a small space23:57 exploded with photons causing the photons to scatter outward at incredible speeds. So electrons ignited photons, which scattered24:09 into space at incredible speeds. Now, I don't know if anybody knows what a photon is. A photon is a particle of light. The scripture says24:21 in Genesis chapter 1 verse 3, this is how it all began, and God said, let there be the Greek translation of that verse says,24:32 photons. Like when God said, let there be light, he said, let there be photons. In other words, the Big Bang Theory is not new. It's as old as Genesis 1 verse 3. Science is24:44 catching up to the Bible. I believe in the Big Bang Theory. God said, let there be, and bang, it was. Amen. The24:55 God who started the universe in light, the God who conceived you in light, can I tell you, wants to know you, wants to talk to you, and wants to have25:07 you in his family? Number 2, write this down. He is the sustainer of everything. He's not just the origin of every good thing. He is the25:19 sustainer of every good thing. You're being held together right now by almighty God through the word of Jesus Christ.25:31 Verse 10, John says, he was in the world, and the world was made, underline, through him. The world is not just made through him. The scripture says that the world25:43 is upheld through him. It's bound together by his word. Hebrews chapter 1 verse 3 says, he upholds. Somebody say upholds.25:55 He upholds the universe by the word of his power. That means the reason why the solar system is not26:06 flying apart right now is because God is holding it together. That means that your molecules, which are made up of atoms,26:18 which are really just listen to this. If you've ever seen the picture of atoms and molecules, they're just tiny little solar systems with protons and neutrons in the nucleus and electrons26:30 circulating like little planets around them. You are walking collections of little solar systems right now that are not flying apart.26:43 Incredible speeds rotating around in your body right now. You can't feel it. It's microcosmic, but it is being held together now by the word of26:55 Jesus Christ. You see, God is revealed in the universe through the telescopic wonders, and I've talked about this many times before. The universe is filled with27:06 hundreds of billions of galaxies. In fact, every time they do a little bit more research into the size of the universe, I don't know if everybody's realized this, it always just gets a little bit bigger.27:18 The last that I read was that it's not 100000000 galaxies in the universe. The last that I read was now they estimate, and I can't even say the number, 10 with27:30 72 zeros after it. That's how many galaxies they estimate are in the universe. What's the point of all those galaxies? What's the point of all that space and all of those things?27:42 The scripture says the heavens declare the glory of God. The universe isn't about you. People look at the immense nature of the universe and they say, we must not be that important.27:54 No. We're that's the wrong way to take it. We look at the immense nature of the universe and we say, God must be that important. It's talking about who he is. And let me just say, that's just to tell you and reaffirm to28:06 you that he's big enough for whatever problem you're facing. That he's large enough to put your life back together again, that he is able to provide miracle working28:18 power to your family, to your children, to your mind. The God who holds the universe together is able to hold your life together. In fact,28:30 you're being held together by him right now, and you don't even realize it. Years ago, a fabulous pastor named Louie Giglio came up with a talk. It's a wonderful talk called28:41 Indescribable. You can look it up on YouTube. He talks about the galaxies and the solar systems and all the immense nature of the telescopic wonders of creation. And then he talks about28:53 the fact that after delivering that talk at 1 particular church, a gentleman came up to him and said, Louis, your talk is missing 1 thing. You've looked at the telescopic nature. You need to look at the29:04 microscopic nature of the inner, the small, the infinitesimally small realities that hold life together. He said, I wanna give you a word and I want you to look it up. It's called laminin. And he went home and he29:15 searched it up and he looked up the word laminin and he found out that laminin is actually a protein molecule found in your body that acts like glue.29:27 Laminin is the glue that holds your body together. And now Louis was very, 1 perplexed as to what what what does that mean? So what? There's29:38 laminin. There's molecules holding of course. But then he went online and Google searched the word laminin, and what he found blew him away. The molecular structure of laminin looks like this. It's29:50 in the shape of a cross. My friends, on every molecule in your body is the fingerprint of Jesus Christ30:02 holding you together right now from your most intimate parts to the most external realities. In him, the bible says, Colossians 1 17,30:14 all things hold together. Friends, he's already working on your life if you're not falling apart physically. And I wanna tell you that that means so much because it means he can30:26 put your family together. He can put your mind together. He can put your spirit together. He can heal your heart and raise your life and calm your nerves and drown your30:37 anxieties in his peace. Jesus, the 1 who holds the universe and your body together, can hold your spirit together by faith in his name. Amen. Number30:49 3, he is the separator of all humanity. Now, no mention of Jesus is complete without this unfortunate reality. Not31:01 everyone receives him. He separates unfortunately, but that's just the nature of the Lord. He offends some. He doesn't push them away, He31:13 just reveals their hearts. And John makes that clear in the first chapter as he introduces us to this cosmic Christmas picture. Verse 11 says, he came to31:25 his own. And notice, his own people did not, what? Receive him. Verse 12, but to all who did receive him, who believed on31:37 his name, he gave the right to become children of God. Jesus is the great separator of humanity. By the way, he is also the31:48 separator of history. It's 2024. It's 2024 years, not since Buddha, not since32:00 Mohammed, not since Hare Krishna. It's 2024 years since Jesus. Before Jesus, the world told32:11 time by whoever was the most sovereign leader at the time. In fact, even Luke's gospel opens up by referencing the time according to the year of Caesar32:23 Augustus. And if you read Old Testament literature Old Testament and other ancient literatures, whenever they reference the year, it is always the fourth or fifth or twentieth year of32:35 whoever was the sovereign in charge of whatever superpower was in charge of the world at that time. But ever since Jesus Christ was raised back to life and32:47 ascended to the right hand side of God the father, we have been numbering the years not according to a earthly sovereign, not according to some Caesar in history,32:59 and thank God not according to the president of the United States, but we have been dating our time according to the 1 who sits on the throne at the right hand side of33:10 God, the father, the true cosmic sovereign of the universe, Jesus Christ. BC AD, before Christ,33:22 anno domini, in the year of our Lord. Hallelujah. And he separates history. Yes. But listen, he also separates humanity. There are 233:34 responses and only 2 to Jesus Christ. Jesus came to his own, his own did not receive him. Why didn't they receive him? Well, we know from the scriptures a couple of reasons33:45 why many of the Jews, and not all of them, but many of the Jews rejected Jesus. The first reason, don't make this mistake, is because he didn't33:57 fit their agenda. They wanted a political savior. They wanted somebody to take up arms, invade the capital of Jerusalem,34:09 and overthrow the Roman occupiers and reestablish the glories of the Davidic kingdom. They wanted a political solution. Can I tell you this morning that Jesus does not come to34:21 offer you a political solution? He comes to offer you a spiritual solution. Because the problem with our politics is the same problem with our relationships even in an interpersonal,34:32 space. The problem is not the policy. The problem is the human heart. Jesus didn't come to kill your enemies. Jesus came to take care of your true enemy, the devil, the34:44 flesh, and the world, to destroy them, to annihilate the works of the devil that you might have freedom from slavery to sin and walk in newness of life. Number 2, they34:56 didn't receive him because he was familiar to them. The bible says that he came to his hometown, and when they saw him, they started to ask, isn't this Joseph's son? Isn't this Mary's son? And aren't his brothers and35:08 sisters here among and they took offense at him. In other words, he was too familiar to them. And in modern America, I fear that a lot of people are too familiar with the message of35:20 Jesus that they miss the true message of Jesus. Comfortable with the manger and the stable, but uncomfortable with the Lord and the king. We've got to35:31 understand something. You don't want to miss this message. Of all the messages in the world, don't miss this message. This is the message that saves you and brings you back to almighty God.35:43 Number 3, they also rejected him because he called out their sins. He pointed out their self righteousness and their arrogance and their vain repetitions of religious rituals that do not35:55 save. And some people don't want God to touch those areas of their lives where they wanna be in charge. Don't touch my money. Don't touch my marriage. Don't touch my36:06 relationship. Don't touch my sexuality. That's mine, Lord. And I wanna tell some people here, that's a terrible mistake to make because you didn't invent you. You didn't create you. And the36:18 best way to operate anything is to operate that thing according to the owner's specifications, according to the creator's specifications. Follow the manual, and you'll36:30 have life. But more important, get in touch with the inventor and you'll know everlasting life. And your inventor is Jesus Christ. Understand, friend. When he calls out your36:42 sin, he calls out your sin because he loves you, because he cares for you, because he wants to help you and heal you through his grace and mercy. But he's the separator. In this36:53 audience today and in every location, there's 2 responses to the end of this message. There are those who will humble their hearts and receive the word of Jesus. And for those who do,37:05 new life is coming into your soul. You're gonna be born again of the Holy Spirit. Not just joining Waters Church, or maybe not even joining Waters Church, but joining the global church37:17 of Jesus Christ, the eternal family with members here on Earth and up in heaven as well. But the second response will be those who harden their hearts and resist and say, no,37:29 thank you. I'm gonna do life on my own. This is not shocking to God. Peter writes about this in first Peter chapter 2 when he says it stands in scripture, behold, I am laying in Zion a stone,37:41 a cornerstone chosen and precious, and whoever believed in him will not be put to shame. So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, the stone that the builders rejected has become the37:51 cornerstone, and a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, they stumble because they disobey the word as they were destined to do. This is not a shock to God. There are those who receive,38:03 and there are those who reject. But Jesus but John says in verse 12, to all who do receive him, who believed on his name, he gave the right to become children of38:14 God, who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Amen. I don't know if you realize how often our culture is38:26 obsessed with discovering where we come from. There are multitudes of shows, and this is quite dated now, but there are multitudes of organizations that are offering you ways in which you can38:38 discover your ancestry, your DNA, where you come from. Listen to me, I've got no use for that nonsense. I don't wanna know what my ancestors38:50 did. I'm sure it was bad. Amen, somebody. Amen. All you have to do is watch some of these shows, 1 of them particularly called Finding Your Roots, and they take a lot of these celebrities. And 1 of39:01 them, most notably recently was The View co host, Sunny Hosten, who makes a living talking about the evils of white supremacy and slavery on that television show on ABC.39:13 But she was confronted with the reality after a DNA ancestry search that she descends from slave owners in Spain who moved to Puerto Rico because SpainShow more
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