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Leap of Faith – From Corporate Job to Main Street Capitalist with Bronson Hill
November 9, 2025 · 43 min
Ep 0006 - Discover how Christian entrepreneurs can use capitalism as a tool for personal growth and making a meaningful difference in the world.
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In this video 0:00 Faith, Purpose, and the Leap from Corporate to Calling9:49 Fellowship, Authenticity, and the Power of Relationships28:31 Balance, Gratitude, and Living with Purpose39:27 Lessons Learned and the Call to Action
Faith, Purpose, and the Leap from Corporate to Calling 0:00 Many people working day jobs have a daydream of breaking free from the corporate grind and starting a business of their own. It takes faith, fortitude, the right fellowship, and a healthy relationship with failure.0:12 On this episode of the Christian Capitalist Show, I glean pearls of wisdom from a man who's made the leap and learned some valuable lessons. Stay tuned.0:27 Welcome to the Christian Capitalist Show. I'm your host, Russell Gray, and I am super excited to be here today with my good buddy, Bronson Hill. Bronson is a young man that I got a chance to meet in a0:39 coaching program that I was involved in, helping people learn how to raise and invest capital. And he's become very successful at doing that, and you were gonna get a chance to talk about that journey. But, Bronson,0:51 welcome to the show.0:52 Russ, really excited to be here, man. I've always been we've been friends for a while, but just love love talking about, you know, capitalism and faith and just so many things these days that are important to talk about.1:01 Right? Which I love that you've started the show.1:03 Yeah. I'm super excited about it, and and we're calling this show Leap of Faith from kind of corporate job. I originally called it corporate cog, but I decided to go with corporate job, to Main Street1:15
1:27 and fellowship and balance and all that, but just kinda where you at right now.
1:32 Yeah. So, I basically started I was in medical device sales for 10 years, ended up, learning through you and and your business partner on how to raise capital for real estate and other deals. And so
1:44 I, I've been doing that for about 5 or 6 years now. We've raised over 50000000 dollars from individual investors. This is like it sounds crazy, but, you know, somebody invests a hundred thousand or or 50000 in your
1:55 retirement accounts or different ways, and we go and buy Main Street assets, which I know you're you're passionate about, you know, getting money out of Wall Street. I actually was an investment adviser kind of on the
2:03 side while I was doing that. And it was almost like the Wizard of Oz where you can see the the man behind the curtain, and you realize it's not quite what it looks like. Right? Wall Street presents this beautiful image,
2:12 and it's just this totally dysfunctional little man that's behind the curtain who's, like, pulling the strings. And so I'm I'm really passionate about educating people on how to grow wealth outside of Wall Street. I'm
2:23 the author of the book behind me here called Fire Yourself, replace your working income with passive income in 3 years or less. It became an Amazon number 1 bestseller in in investing. And I just love really helping
2:32 people on their journey, you know, helping people to get from how do I actually start investing in real estate or how do I actually, as Warren Buffett would say, how do I make money while I sleep?
2:42 Nice. So we now kinda have an idea where you're at. Let's go back to the beginning of this journey when you're in your corporate sales job. What where did you start? You know? And
2:54 I wanna talk about purpose. So sometimes the purpose when people are working a job, make a living, pay the bills. And then once you get that conquered, you're like, okay. What's my my next purpose? Well, maybe I wanna
3:05 make a difference in the world. Maybe I wanna become financially independent. Maybe I wanna get out of the rat race and go do something else. But along the way, did you have a clear purpose? Did you did you did it kind
3:17 of evolve? How did the role of purpose, if if at all, factor into your journey?
3:23 Yeah. So for me, I mean, faith's been a big part of my journey before I was in, medical sales. I was a youth pastor for 4 or 5 years in submissions overseas. And I've just continually just said, okay, god. What do you
3:32 want me to do? Like, what's the plan here? What's the purpose? And so I I really felt led from being a youth pastor to get back in the business world. And I just feel like, for me, my purpose is really to obviously be an
3:42 ambassador for Christ and to share about his love. But I I feel like I'm called to finance, which is kind of a unique calling. A lot of Christians, I think, are are afraid of talking about money or, you know, if you're
3:51 ambitious and you have some sense of business purpose, a lot of pastors will say, well, you should, you know, you know, follow Dave Ramsey or do Crown Financial or some other things. And it's just those are kind of 1 0
4:01 1, which, you know, these people are doing great work, and I respect Dave Ramsey. But, for most people, like, that's great. But to me, I said I wanna I wanna really make a big difference for kingdom, purposes. So 1 of my
4:10 big whys that I've really fallen in love with is is it possible that we could end modern day human slavery in the world today? It's a big, hairy, audacious goal. I mean, there's 20 to 40000000 human slaves today. People
4:21 don't realize this, that people are actually still slaves in 20 25, more than there's ever been in history of the world. And, there's all kinds of practices around that. And the more I learn is that at the bottom of
4:30 that, people need to be empowered. Right? They need to be freed up from the cycle of trauma. They need to have, economic mobility. They need to have, you know, generational healing and and therapy and all those things,
4:39 but they really need to have an encounter with Jesus Christ. And that's where I think, you know, my purpose really taps in. So here I'm in I'm in this world of teaching people how to become wealthy and how to use money
4:49 as a tool to not necessarily just live the yachts and Mai Tai lifestyle, which there's nothing inherently wrong about living a lifestyle that's comfortable. But, really, what's the purpose of it? Right? You know, a lot
4:59 of times when people become financially free, Russ, what shifts for them is like, okay. I have more than enough now. What do I do to actually really give back and and give to my kids or give to my community and make the
5:09 world a better place? And so to me, I just I continue to come back to that place with a heart of, like, life is short. Right? And I'm I'm yeah. Thank you for saying I'm a young man. I'm 4 just turned 45, and I just keep
5:19 getting, you know, life has trade? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It it happens. And But but, you know, life has this way. And, you know, you mean 45. It's like, you know, every year goes faster than the year before. Right?
5:30 This was there's this thing that just kind of life speeds up when you're a kid. Everything seems to kinda go, you know, long, and you're kinda looking forward to looking forward to being 18, looking forward to being 21.
5:38 And then after a while, you're like, I wanna go back, back, and you can't go back. And so, the biggest thing is just how can I make these you know, every day that I have, every conversation I have, every opportunity in
5:47 my neighborhood or people that I can interact with, make a difference because life is truly short? And so it's it's not, you know, living forever. It's what can we invest our lives in that really create that purpose,
5:58 from king for kingdom values.
6:00 Yeah. Yeah. Now you talked about slavery and, you know, this wasn't really part of the script, but that intrigues me a little bit because when I was 35 and I read The Creature from Jekyll Island and I began to really
6:12 understand the financial system, and at the same time, I was homeschooling her homeschooling her kids, and I was involved in teaching civics and American history. And I began to understand what the
6:23 founders had intended for us and then what we had become. And a big part of what we had lost was rooted in our financial system. And so I saw the financial system to this
6:35 day as basically a system of modern day slavery. But I got the feeling that's not what you're talking about. Are you talking about that? Are you talking about something different?
6:45 I I I'm talking more about the physical human slavery where people are, you know, sexual human slaves. They're labor slaves are trafficked from 1 country to another. I think there's many forms of slavery. You know? I
6:56 mean, Jesus, I was just reading my men's group. I was just talking about anybody who sins is a slave to sin. Right? And these people are like, how are we slaves? How are we slaves? So I think there's many ways that that
7:05 we can, become slaves or become slaves. And even people that I see, physicians I used to work with, they were financial slaves because they were making sometimes even millions of dollars a year, but their expenses were
7:16 rising as their income was rising. So they never really be they never really that that lifestyle creep crept up. And so I think there's many ways to be a slave, and I think, you know, it it's someone is happy if they
7:27 have more than what they need or if they can give. But at the end of the day, to to really incorporate faith into that and just say, okay. You know, god doesn't really need, any salary. He doesn't need any money. He can
7:37 he can basically create, you know, bread out of stones, or he can do anything he wants. And so, it's interesting to be in a place of working in finance where there is a lot of, I think, love of money and yet feel
7:48 like, you know, it's just it's just simply a tool. It's just simply a trust that we have to be able to use. It's stored energy that we can use to help impact the world. And so, see, I'm I'm talking about human slavery. I
7:58 know you had Paul Hutchinson on the show recently, and he's a friend of yours and just the the sound of freedom. And so that stuff is and the more I learn about it, Russ, it's it it is very like, it just seems like we'll
8:07 just set the people free. We'll just go and we'll just do all this, but it's it's really that hurt people hurt people. And a lot of times, the victim becomes a victimizer. And it's it's really at the end of the day, we
8:16 just need a transformation from Jesus, and we need healing. And we also need therapy. And we need, you know, people to get skills and have a job. Because if you rescue someone and you let them out loose, they don't have
8:25 any friends. They have no network. They have no way no skills. So they've gotta be kind of all those things have to be really cared for on the whole person. So, it is definitely a passion of mine, and it's still
8:33 something I'm I'm sorting out what that's gonna look like in my life, but I'm I'm very passionate about it.
8:38 Yeah. I can tell. And and that's amazing. That's really, I think, really important. 1 of the things that motivates me, was setting people free from the financial system. And people come in, and they they
8:49 wanna become financially free, and they think that's the ultimate. But really, that's the least. Because if you have financial freedom and you don't have political freedom, you know, what what good is your money? But if
9:01 you have political freedom and money, but you don't have spiritual freedom, what shall it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? And so ultimately, it's spiritual freedom that's the basis of
9:12 everything. And when you have spiritual freedom, then you create political freedom because human society is organized around policy and those policy have to be rooted in morals or spiritual truths. And then from
9:24 there, you create financial systems that allow people to become prosperous. But most people get it backwards. They start out seeking financial freedom, then they maybe get interested in politics. And maybe if they have
9:33 time, they think about their spiritual freedom. So that's a big part of the Christian capitalist and Main Street capitalist, the 2 shows that I do and, kind of what this ministry with Fellowship of Christian Capitalists
9:44 is all about because I feel like my experience, and maybe you can talk to this, but in my experience, a lot of the the church experience I'm not putting anybody down, but a lot of the the
Fellowship, Authenticity, and the Power of Relationships
9:55 church experience I had was was was based around people having a job where they made enough to get by and content with their wages. And I think you get when you're an entrepreneur and people have a hard time
10:07 understanding your ambition because they think you love money. And you said it a couple of times. It's just a tool. But if you love being productive and you wanna be as productive as you can be, I mean, you're you're
10:18 gonna make money. And then the question is now what do you do with it?
10:21 Yeah. Hundred percent. Well and, you know, Jesus said that, you know, we should produce fruit. We should produce fruit that would last. And he said, you know, the harvest goes in, and there's some that produce 30, 60, or
10:31 a hundred times more. So I think it's a biblical formula for a hundred x. And so, it doesn't mean that, you know, everybody has that calling, that everybody's called to be an entrepreneur. But, Max Weber, the,
10:42 philosopher had said years ago, he said there was a link between, you know, Protestant Christianity and and prosperity. And if you think about it, like, we we live in the greatest country, I think, that's ever existed in
10:53 the US. We literally have, things here that exit have existed nowhere else. I mean, the rights of humans, you've got policies, as you said, that allow us to basically have property rights and be able to work and have
11:03 protections and get from with the law and other things. And so we have this that we can build on, and it's it's you think that these are things we take for granted as Americans, but they do not exist in other places even
11:13 now. And so to have things that you actually have equal protection on the law, you have the ability to create a business or own real estate and not be worried that it's gonna be taken from you versus other countries you
11:22 don't necessarily have that. So I think that the fact that we can build on that just makes it really exceptional. And so for the person that that is motivated again, not everybody is super motivated to be a capitalist,
11:31 to be a a business owner, to really start their own thing. We're a different breed. But I think somebody who has a lot of ambition says this is what god's given me and to whom much is given, much will be required. And
11:41 I'm I'm really curious for us in my own life, and you're like, what's it gonna look like? We couldn't end up with a hundred million dollars doing huge things, whatever. It could just be simply, like, you know, there's
11:49 nothing from a physical standpoint, but then there's the spiritual impact that lasts way more. So at the end of the day, god doesn't really need money. But, you know, going back to the old testament is, like, why did god
11:59 do all these miracles for Israel when they were in the desert It said he would do these miracles for you so that you would know that he's God. So it's this idea of this relationship walking with God in the middle of, you
12:08 know, being in the world but not of the world. Right? Not loving the money, but using the money to really help people and giving and be and being generous with others.
12:15 Love it. So let's talk about you back in the day. You're a medical device salesperson. You are thinking about leaving. And when did you decide you wanted to leave? How did you decide to
12:27 leave? And, now what were the logistics of actually doing that? And what I call it a leap of faith. Because I remember the day I said goodbye to my corporate job and went full blown entrepreneurs. 1 thing to
12:39 live on commission. That's that's a taste of it. But when you're actually responsible for operations and accounting and legal and everything else, it's a much bigger set of responsibilities. So how did you
12:50 start that process? What did you go through spiritually in doing that? And how did you ultimately, when you made the decision to cut the cord and fire yourself to use your book title,
13:02 to go full time, what did that look like?
13:05 Yeah. So, to me, I I I've always been a bit entrepreneurial in the sense that I I'm I love working independently. I love having, you know, instead of a time for money trading, I'm a value for money trade. I started doing
13:15 a paper out when I was a kid. That was kind of a way I could work on my own and kinda create some more income. Taught me a lot of responsibility, learned a lot. It was, you know, every single day I had to go deliver
13:23 newspapers. And so after being a youth pastor, I kinda did a little personal assessment. I feel like, well, maybe in being in sales would be a good role just based on my personality. But I was like, I seriously felt
13:32 like, can you make any money doing that? Like, didn't realize, like, being in sales is like the number 1 you know, you get paid very well if you do well in sales. So I did I I did very well. I actually out of the, I
13:41 think, the 8 years I was eligible, I won top 10 percent, you know, a 4 of 8 years, and so I did very well. And it was good. But the thing a couple of things really were missing is I had this desire that, you know, I was
13:52 doing well for a company. But I think when you're in sales, you can feel or if you're a work corporate, you feel like sometimes you you can't always speak your mind on certain things. Right? And that's and that's that's
14:02 okay, but some of it's like especially in sales, you almost have to become what the situation needs to get the sale. And there's a part part of me started to feel a bit inauthentic, as well as, Ross, you know, after
14:13 you've done this for 5 or 10 years, like, I could go into a lot of sales roles, especially in the medical field, and I would learn take 6 months or a year. I could kinda learn that process, how to sell the product, who
14:23 the people are, and then I and I do well. But the problem is, like, it was challenging, but it wasn't intellectually challenging. I kinda knew what I needed to do, and I wanted something where I would have a never ending
14:32 learning. I'd have more growth in it. And so I, I think when I turned 40, I was approaching 40. I was like, you know, I don't wanna be at the end of my life or be, you know, however long I live. It'd be 70 or 80 and say,
14:42 man, I wish I would've tried. I wish I would've at least given it a shot. And so I joined a, and I did a lot of Chris praying about if I should leave, I should stay. And I was in an entrepreneur's group with people that
14:52 were far more successful than me. I had this business that I had created that, was generating more money than I was in my medical job, which was a good job. And so but I I was in the room, and all my family was like, you
15:02 know, you should never leave. These are golden handcuffs. Never leave this job. You're working 30 hours a week. You're making, like, 200 k a year. Like, that's incredible. Like, why would you ever leave that? And so but
15:11 this entrepreneurs group was, you know, without exception, they I think there's 6 or 7 of them. They all said, you should leave your job pretty much as soon as possible. And 1 day, I said, well, if it doesn't work out,
15:20 you guys go back to medical sales. And it, like, it kinda reframe things for me because I think a lot of times, I feel like if something works out, then I'm a success. And if it doesn't work out, then I'm a failure. And
15:30 I've just realized the entrepreneur mindset is you gotta be willing to try a lot of different things. Many of them won't work. And, you know, I don't call it failure. I just call it information. Right? And you just learn
15:39 and you grow. And so it's that entrepreneur mindset of just being willing to try many things. And so I think I've just been, you know, 1 of the reasons I've been successful to a degree is just that I've been willing to
15:48 try a lot of things, been able to fail a lot of things, and I'm still trying new things. And I know you do the same. And so I think that's successful people, especially in the entrepreneurship side, are willing to try
15:57 new things, willing to keep doing it. So to me to leave, that was a big leap of faith. And then I really haven't any regrets. I mean, the paycheck, honestly, there are times where I was like, well, it was kinda nice
16:05 getting that, you know, money every single month. But on the other hand, I love the freedom that I have. I traveled 6 times internationally last year, been able to serve serve in different ways, take my daughter on a
16:13 trip to Alaska this summer. Just do things that would have been much harder if I had been a a w 2 employee. So
16:18 Okay. So you you said a couple things that I thought were interesting. 1 of the is the idea of just trying and experimenting. And, you know, what I learned in my life, and I saw this happen with my dad who got wiped out
16:29 in 19 87 with the stock market crash, and he lost his self image. His self worth and his net worth were conflated. You know? And I know when you start a business like I'm doing right now, you know, you don't have the
16:41 income coming in. And 1 of the things that I've learned in in in my relationship with God and and just understanding the idea of walking with the Lord is that
16:53 how you see yourself is really important. In other words, if and so to be an entrepreneur, you have to see yourself as being capable and worthy, but
17:05 in in my opinion, in other words, when when you're experimenting and something goes wrong like Thomas Edison, it isn't personal. It's just just information. So I wanna dig down a little bit,
17:17 into that and and and have you talk because because I I I don't know what it was like for you. I know what it's like for me.
17:23 Well, yeah. It's it's it's
17:24 it's would go wrong and I really needed the money, you know, it it it start I think the devil comes in and really starts to attack. You know, God's not gonna bless you. Oh, it's not gonna work out. Did you have any of
17:35 that? How did you
17:35 feel about that? It's huge. Yeah. I mean, imposter syndrome is a real thing. You know, like, who am I to be doing this? What if it doesn't work? I think this topic, Russ, is something that is so important. I actually
17:46 started writing my second book called Rich Brain, How the Wealthy Change Their Brain to Change Their Bank Account. And a lot of it comes down to this concept of wealth worthiness. Right? Because a lot of times, 90
17:56 percent of us have self sabotaging behaviors that we go into situations. It could be, you know, a job or could be a business opportunity, and we we kinda are self defeating. We have negative self talk,
18:08 and so the self defeating behaviors could be procrastination, negative self talk, these type of things. And so there is an element of having to feel like we're worthy of it. Right? That we're worthy of of this thing
18:18 working out. And so, you know, I I was able to 20 x my net worth in 4 or 5 years by doing some of this to a multi multiple 7 figure, which is great. But a lot of it came from it's almost like Jesus said, whatever you
18:28 pray for, believe that, you know, you'll have it and you'll receive it, but you receive it in your heart and then you'll see it. It's it's a paraphrase. But, you know, I think that most people, they kinda get what
18:37 they've always gotten. It's like incremental movements up over time. And then some people take really big jumps, but it's typically, they're meditating on the truth. Right? When we meditate, you know, the the you know,
18:47 the truth and the truth will set you free. And so I think that, this concept of worthiness, it affects our relationships as well. Right? If I'm, you know, feel like I'm not worthy of a of a of a great relationship, a
18:59 great marriage, I'll walk into a place where there's people I could meet, and I'll just be self defeating, have negative thoughts and and and talk. And if I start having conversations with a beautiful woman, it might it
19:07 probably won't go well because I've already kind of defeated myself on the inside. So I think that really, the battle does start within first. And so there is a lot of this that is mindset, and I think how you change it.
19:17 And, really, I talk to it. I actually have a a men's group I lead every Tuesday night. We talk about it. It's like something we know in our head. We know we're loved. We know God has a plan for us. We know that, you
19:26 know, there's God has somebody out there for us, maybe as a spouse, but we don't feel it in our heart. Right? We don't feel it here. And so how do you get it from your head to your heart? You have to meditate on it, or
19:33 you meditate on the truth. You meditate on the scripture. So I call it these whisperings we do. Right? Whether it's wealth whisperings or it could be whisperings around not just like not just like affirmations you say,
19:44 but things that you whisper to yourself, like, when you stub your toe. And instead of saying, oh, I'm so dumb, you say, no. Okay. That was tough, but, you know, I'm just getting better and that's I'm gonna learn. Okay.
19:52 That's 1 way I need to be more careful here. And and you and you find a way to self talk through it. I think that stuff is, people don't talk enough about that, but I think that really is the first thing is getting a
20:01 place where you feel worthy. And then the deal or the person or the connection shows up, and you're in a place where you're able to connect and be able to make it work because you've already done the inner work.
20:11 Yeah. I think there's so much in scripture about that where the children of Israel would sin and they would be very unworthy and yet God would come in. Maybe there were some consequences, but he always came back to
20:23 you're my chosen people. I have a purpose. I have a plan for you. He would do amazing things and he would redeem them. And I think that that, it's really important.
20:35 I I always say just remember who you are. My my late wife always used to say remember who you are. Remember who you are. Remember who you are. And, for me, I always had to remember, well, I'm a man on a mission. I'm a
20:46 child of God. I'm on a man on a mission. I'm doing the mission. If he's called me to the mission, he'll equip me. If I'm if I'm inadequate, he'll be adequate in my strength. In my weakness, he's made strong. There's so
20:57 many examples of that. And I think that when there's a lie that is going on in your mind, you refute it with truth. Right? If you can find an offsetting script at least that's how I handled it. But that that's really,
21:08 really good. So I wanna move on to the topic of fellowship. You've mentioned it several times, and I don't want that nuance to get lost. I think God calls us into fellowship. I can't tell you that that's a great strength
21:19 of mine. I think I I've isolated myself for a long time, and I'm I'm I'm correcting that in my life. I mean, we had a lot of people in my network. I belong to masterminds, mostly ran masterminds. Now I'm joining them
21:31 also. But as I'm really leaning into the faith side of this journey, I'm recognizing the need for fellowship. So in your journey, were you in fellowship the whole
21:43 time? Did you have a time when you weren't and you lean into it more? Is it more important to you now than it was before? What is the role of just being in relationships with people and what kind of people do you find
21:54 are most helpful to you as a Christian capitalist?
21:58 Yeah. So I'll just be I'll just be completely transparent here. I I've always I I said I've consistently been in fellowship. There was a time I had a personal crisis, went through a divorce, you know,
22:10 7, 8 years ago. And, you know, for me, that was a time where I really learned to reach out to my community and and my church. And my church and my church is really great because I haven't really found a church like this
22:22 a lot of places, but you can kinda just come as you are. It's it's both a group that kind of holds the standard of, like, we believe the Bible. We wanna wanna help people, but there's no judgment. You can show up and
22:31 kinda be who you are. And so it's this, like, people can share and just be totally honest and authentic. And there's some groups. There was a divorce kind of recovery group I was a part of, which is great. But I think I
22:41 just realized that for especially for men, I think for women, women are generally better at kind of staying connected and being socially. And, you know, obviously, they're I'm sure there are women that are disconnected,
22:49 but especially for men, we can do that just like you describe us. So we can be like, I got it all figured out. Right? If I share, like, well, it's gonna be a competition thing or whatever. But I just realized there's so
22:58 much strength in just being together. And, you know, it talks about in in, the word it talks about, you know, confess your sins to 1 another and pray for each other that you may be healed or don't neglect the gathering
23:09 together. And I think that, you know, when when I get together every Tuesday night, we've literally been doing this now for, almost 8 years. And so every Tuesday, I've been co leading this small group, and we just reread
23:19 it for about an hour. We read a a a part of a, you know, maybe a half a chapter of the Bible, the New Testament. We'll go through, and we'll just kinda talk about it. When the guy shares, like, hey. This is what I got
23:28 out of this. And I'm like, well, I got this out of this. And I just I hear it differently than I hear it on my own. And then the last 30 minutes, we just do sharing. We each person shares for 2, 3 minutes what's going
23:35 on. And so it's a way to feel seen, feel known, and actually be being changed by the scripture and by the spirit together. So I I really enjoy that part of it. I think that when I'm doing well, I'm connected to and
23:47 I've got a few good friends that I'll call. I was like, hey. I'm thinking this or I did this or here's something that I need to confess to you. And I think we all should have people in our life that we can kind of, like,
23:56 are in our circle. Even Jesus had the 3. Right? He had the 12, but he had the 3. Was it Peter, James, and John? Like, he had his guys he would kinda spend a little more time with. So I think there's some models there
24:04 that are really valuable, but, the the scripture that iron sharpens iron is absolutely real. And so, if I wanna stay and I wanna grow, I wanna I wanna be go to the next level. I've gotta be around people that are seeking
24:15 Christ and are really putting him first. And I think that that has been a huge part of my life, especially the last 7, 8, 9 years.
24:22 Yeah. And I I think in order to get the most of that, you have to be authentic. And 1 of the challenges in business really anywhere, especially for guys, but it's the idea of going into a room, especially if you're going
24:33 into a big room. You and I both been in big rooms with big people. And the goal is just to be pulled up, but, but, you know, it's like feeling like you're a freshman at a high school or whatever, you know Yeah. All the
24:44 time. And so in business, we call it imposter syndrome. You know, when you end up on a stage, you end up in a room, you end up in a position. You think, I don't deserve to be here. It goes back to this remembering who
24:54 you are. If David would have thought that, he wouldn't have engaged Goliath. Right? There's a lot of things that wouldn't have happened if people would have given into imposter syndrome. And our mastermind, Collective
25:03 Inner Circle, when someone wants to join that room, it's a pretty big room. Robert Kiyosaki is a member. Mike Maloney is a member. We have some really, really successful people in that room. It's not a faith based room
25:14 necessarily. So there's some of us that are the salt in there, I suppose. But the process for bringing people in, what we do is we interview them with the idea that they get voted in.
25:26 So they know when they walk into the room, they're accepted. They don't have to pretend. They don't have to pose because the purpose of the group is to solve problems. And if you are not willing to put your problem on
25:37 the table, then you can't get help. And if you don't get help, then you are in it. You have fellowship, but you don't have you don't really have fellowship. It's not a heart connection. So I think it maybe is a little
25:49 bit easier around Christians. But when you walk into a room, whether it's a mastermind in a Christian environment or fellowship in a Christian environment or business mastermind, I know you. You seem to just be
26:01 pretty straightforward. But have you ever struggled with that kind of like not wanting to reveal a weakness or feeling like, hey. If I reveal a weakness, I won't be accepted?
26:10 Yeah. I think it's it's something I'm still working on, honestly, and I think I'm I I really enjoy hosting. I enjoy being at events. I love connecting people. But, you know, there's times where it doesn't feel
26:22 comfortable, or is it is it safe to share? Is it safe to show up, especially if you have kind of an intense and I've been in some intense rooms in the corporate environment. Other places are around people. You get around
26:30 physicians. There's a lot of ego there and things like that. And so, you know, I I think the older I get, the more, I I wanna like, what you're talking about, the the the goal of authenticity. I think that I think that
26:41 Jesus really values authenticity. Like, for someone who wherever you are, if you can just say, like, this is where I'm at. Right? It's so valuable. You actually have a relationship there. But, you know, with the
26:52 challenge with the Pharisees is they were not being authentic. Right? They would say, oh, do we are we blind too? Whatever. And he's like, well, because you say you can see, you're actually still in sin. So it's it's
27:01 putting this barrier up between so whenever I have pretension, whenever I show up and I'm trying to be, you know, somebody more than I am. So it there's a balance there of, like, here I internally, I'm saying I'm this
27:10 person. I can show up in these kind of rooms, but I wanna be humble and connect with everybody and be a connector. I'm still figuring that out because I just wanna be someone who can add value to a lot of different
27:18 people, but I can't help everybody. So we have a mastermind called the Wealth Forum. You've been a part of it. You've been to some of our events. You've shared and and contributed to our group, which is amazing. And we
27:25 have people that are high net worth. And so I'm trying to say, how can we help people, a certain type of person, a high net worth type of person that's in the room? I can't help everybody. Right? So I can't help, you
27:34 know, somebody who's, of all different demographics. We focused on who we're helping. And so I think, but, yeah, I I think it's definitely a challenge for anybody of how how do I, you know, be ambitious, have a good
27:43 sense of self worth, but not show up with an overinflated ego. I'm still humble. And I just I think of the example of Jesus. Right? Meekness does not equal weakness. Right? He had the ultimate strength. He could call him
27:54 legions of angels, but yet he showed up in a way that was humble. And he showed up in a way that was confident. So there's he can he can be confident and be meek. It's not like you're you're looking out like a people in
28:02 the eye or anything or you're showing up all intimidated. It's like, no. I belong here. And so I do have to remind myself sometimes that, okay. I do belong in these rooms. And sometimes I'm in rooms. Like, you said, the
28:11 people have 10 x or hundred x the net worth that I do, or they have amazing influence, millions of followers, and all this stuff. And it's like, no. I belong here. I'm I'm called to be here. And so I have to remind
28:21 myself of that because I don't always feel that. So I think that that is an internal work that's ongoing, and it's not and any successful person that I know has that battle except for someone that's totally narcissistic
28:31 and just thinks that they walk on water, which there are people like that, and they, you know but then they're not attached to reality. So I think for, you know, most people, 90 plus percent people, they have a sense of,Show more
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