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Why Britain Is On the Brink of a Revolution
December 18, 2025 · 37 min
For 300 years, the Conservative Party has been one of the most powerful forces in British politics. But it could soon be extinct, destroyed and replaced by the rising power of Reform. Cambridge professor and Reform adviser James Orr is in Phoenix for Amfest and joins the show to discuss the fate of Britain. Plus, he reacts to the testimony of Todd Nettleton about persecuted Christians around the world, from Nigeria to Syria to India. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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For 300 years, the Conservative Party has been one of the most powerful forces in British politics. But it could soon be extinct, destroyed and replaced by the rising power of Reform. Cambridge professor and Reform adviser James Orr is in Phoenix for Amfest and joins the show to discuss the fate of Britain. Plus, he reacts to the testimony of Todd Nettleton about persecuted Christians around the world, from Nigeria to Syria to India. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. ...more Show the full description Show less For 300 years, the Conservative Party has been one of the most powerful forces in British politics. But it could soon be extinct, destroyed and replaced by the rising power of Reform. Cambridge professor and Reform adviser James Orr is in Phoenix for Amfest and joins the show to discuss the fate of Britain. Plus, he reacts to the testimony of Todd Nettleton about persecuted Christians around the world, from Nigeria to Syria to India. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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0:03 My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the0:15 most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your0:27 kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA high school chapter. Go find out how your church0:36 can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord use me.0:48 Buckle up everybody. Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the1:00 leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers.1:09 Alright. Welcome to hour 2 of the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm Andrew Colvet. Blake Neff's to my left now.1:14 Disaffected. Switch sides of the And1:17 the reason being is that in studio, we have the great doctor James Orr. Pleasure to have1:22 you, sir. Great to be with you, Andrew. Great to1:24 be with you, Blake. Well, it's it's always a treat. You know, some of my best, most favorite last memories with Charlie, you happen to be a part of as well.
1:35 And and so that is really close to my heart and I know to yours as well. And I'm glad we had that time. And then you came back afterwards and I know you've made some trips to
1:47 Phoenix and you're going to be joining us for AmFest. So I think we're all excited. You're actually going to be moderating some discussions.
1:54 So I believe I've only just found this out maybe a few days ago. I'm really excited.
1:59 We volunteered you for
2:00 the same thing.
2:01 Think I've got 3 debates to moderate. That's amazing. Including some pretty neuralgic, difficult topics. I think there's 1 on God, don't get harder than that. And there's 1 on
2:13 Israel. And I think they thought, well, who are we gonna give the hospital pass to? Let's send it to the Brit. Who cares if he blows up?
2:20 Yeah, exactly. It's not like you have your own reputation to worry about here, Doctor. Orr. You, of course, are very active with reform in the UK. How are things going over there?
2:32 Things are going extremely well. In fact, in many ways, there isn't really historical precedent for how well Reform UK is doing. How so? Well, what we're witnessing is really the emergence for the first time in the
2:43 history of British politics, a new party of the right that is credible, that has increasingly very strong popular support. I think we've been leading at about
2:54 160 polls, poll after poll. We've made some amazing incursions electorally back in May, swept the local elections.
3:06 Looks like we're gonna do extremely well in Wales and in Scotland. So the energy is is is extraordinary. At the moment, we're we're sometimes polling higher than the combined polling of the Labour Party and the
3:17 Conservative Party, 2 historic parties. I wanna I wanna
3:19 highlight that that they've had a few different parties towards the left end of the politics. They used to have the Liberals, and they're still around, but they're small, and they got replaced by Labour. But the
3:27 Conservatives, and before them the Tories, they're older than America. There was a I believe it was a Tory prime minister when the American revolution broke
3:35 Absolutely. Absolutely.
3:36 And Yeah. They've been the party of government typically
3:40 Yeah.
3:40 In Britain for 300 years, and it might all go down in flames.
3:45 Well, and and, you know, are we still first question. What's the animating factor?
3:51 Well, I think for the the the 1 in very important animating factor is a negative 1, namely just the routine betrayal and incompetence of successive labor and Tory governments over
4:03 certainly over the last 25 years. At over the Tory period, you know, the conservatives let in in the the last in the their last parliament and from sort of 20 19 to 20 24
4:17 more legal and illegal migrants than we've seen in our history.
4:21 Why?
4:22 Well, all sorts of complicated reasons behind it, but I think part of the problem was a belief in the dogma of the treasury that the British economy will collapse if
4:34 we don't keep the Ponzi scheme going, if we don't keep bringing in hundreds of thousands, indeed millions of people to help to help prop up the, prop up the the economy and do the jobs that that Brits don't wanna do.
4:44 It's the same old story.
4:45 Yeah. Well, it's just so appalling just because you did the Biden wave, except they call it Boris wave there. And it was, I think, higher than Biden's level of immigration when you adjust for size of country. Yeah. And
4:57 with a right wing government, they've had only right of center governments in the UK until Starmer from 20 10
5:03 Mhmm.
5:03 To last year, and they did the full open border spiel
5:07 from the right. That's exactly right. And so that's I think that's the the first thing that's really driving support for us because reform has been very, very clear on migration from from from the very beginning. It's
5:19 very clear on the fiscal suicide of net 0 and the need to get some energy independence and energy sovereignty. It's been very clear questions of free speech. We had the passing of the Online Safety
5:31 Act just just a few months ago. And this is a this is really a censorship charter using the wedge of trying to get some statutory protection for children online. And
5:43 but folded into that enormous piece of legislation was effectively measures and tools that equip Ofcom, our media regulator, with with enormous
5:54 powers to to censor. And even Substack is now having to to to censor certain articles to comply with the legislation.
6:01 I think even I think even X announced today that said some of our material is gonna have to be taken down in Europe, and you have to watch out for what you post because Well, Europe calling, but we can't defy these laws
6:12 just yet. We need
6:13 new stuff. The European Union is developing its own kind of censorship charter that is even more draconian. It's extraordinary what's happening. So we're very committed to
6:25 getting free speech right if we ever got into power. And it's quite straightforward to do it. There's just a few provisions and a few acts here and there that need to be amended or clarified
6:37 or simply repealed, and that could have an enormous downstream effect on the culture of freedom.
6:43 You you guys are so lucky. In Britain, they they just have supremacy of parliament. They can essentially just if you have a majority, you can pass any law you want on anything. But I wanna on the free speech thing,
6:55 can you talk about the Islamophobia definition? That's been going on in the past couple days. That's another concern.
7:00 Yeah. So this
7:00 has been a long running debate in the public square over the last few years in Britain, and there's been a big push on the left. And now with the the Labour Party, which has an enormous majority in the House of Commons,
7:10 to effectively legislate a different definition and protect or or rather yeah. Protect any anyone who feels themselves to be a victim of Islamophobia. Mhmm.
7:22 And so so there's been a lot of back and forth. And, actually, parliament has been working very well. There's been excellent Tory MPs who've been getting up and pointing out just what an incursion on freedom of speech
7:33 and freedom of religion this definition would be. Because effectively, what they're trying to do is to elide sort of beliefs with identity. And and so the thought is
7:45 that, you know, to to to be a Muslim is to have is to have a particular identity rather than to have that identity in virtue of subscribing to a set of set of beliefs, beliefs that plainly can be criticized in any free
7:56 democracy and and indeed and and and should be criticized, should be open to criticism. But so the so the government's backed down as trying to tweak the definition, and now it's something like anti Muslim anti Muslim
8:07 hatred or anti Muslim yeah. I think it's anti Muslim hatred. And the problem with that is it just, you know, it it just bakes in the problem.
8:15 Do they have anti white hatred?
8:17 They technically, Technically, yes. I mean, there is all of this sort of exists under the equality legislation, but this would be a special provision. It'd be a special protection, which well, they're
8:28 trying to say by shifting to anti Muslim hate as opposed to Islamophobia, we've kind of solved the problem. But we don't because, again, the assumption is there that somehow to be a Muslim Muslim is to be a member of a
8:39 race or to be a a member of an ethnic group, which plainly you're not. You're a Muslim just if you can do the Shahada 3 times or whatever it might be. Sure. Could the 3 of us could become Muslims in the next half hour.
8:50 It's completely nothing to do with our ethnicity or race.
8:52 I'm looking at the latest draft definition, and it includes as something that would be banned, the prejudicial stereotyping and racialization of Muslims to stir up hatred against them. That just strikes me as an
9:03 incredibly broad thing stereotyping of Muslims.
9:06 So To
9:06 say there's a common trait that a lot of Muslims have.
9:11 Well, I I think that I mean, what you would have to say to to to speak to a trait that a lot of Muslims have is you'd have to pick out some doctrinal commitment, you know, some some belief that should
9:23 be contestable in a free democracy. It's not there's nothing distinctive ethnically or racially distinctive about being Muslim. As we said, it's simply, you know, whether or not you sign up to a belief system.
9:34 And so what it's doing is it's protecting that belief system, protecting the identity that you have in virtue of signing up to the belief system.
9:41 It's an ideological belief, and then you say you can't stereotype a belief system. Well, what is is it then?
9:47 Well, But what about, you know, genital mutilation of young girls? That tends to be something that happens in Muslim African nations. What about the the grooming
9:59 gangs? You know, that tend to be centralized within a particular immigrant group that happened to be Muslims? So then all of a sudden these get very sticky, these topics.
10:10 Absolutely right. I mean, what's interesting about that is ironically, this legislation could make people think that target criticism about grooming gangs or
10:22 criticism about female genital mutilation is something somehow a widespread shared Islamic belief, but it but it's not. It's actually you know, certainly, grooming gangs come from a very particular area of Pakistan, and
10:31 FGM is, you know, localized in parts of sub Saharan Africa.
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11:46 So tell us establish yourself. You're bona fides. What do you do? Who are you?
11:50 Well, my main job and vocation is in academia. So I'm an associate professor of philosophy of religion at Cambridge in England, where, I teach undergraduates. I teach graduate students, PhD students. So I love doing
12:02 that. But I have another day job now where I'm as senior adviser to Nigel Farage, leader of Reform UK, and and we are all expecting our next prime minister.
12:13 In 20 29?
12:14 Well, 20 29 is the latest that the election can be called, and I'm not sure the country can last that long. Yep. It's possible that the government will fall before that. We're good at getting very good at getting rid of
12:26 prime ministers. Getting rid of governments is a lot harder.
12:28 Yeah. Okay.
12:29 So Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, which you have to vote for to to for the cup the government to fall.
12:35 Yeah. They don't Even if they hate the head turkey.
12:37 Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
12:38 We do do we do Turkey at Christmas too, but it's more of a things I don't know. Anyways. All right. Nostradamus or when would you predict that we're actually going to be able to vote again
12:49 in the UK? Is it going to be 20 29 or you predict before?
12:53 Well, I mean, first thing to say is that we've what, Nigel is calling our midterms, which is sort of an American phrase, but we have got a big set of regional, local, devolved,
13:05 elections next May. So the whole of Wales gets to vote for its local parliament, same in Scotland, and then there's thousands of seats around Greater London and all around England that are gonna be up for grabs. And
13:16 we're expecting a turquoise tsunami. We're expecting Reform UK to do extremely well in all of those elections. And that will be the last time that the British people get to express their democratic will before the next
13:27 general election. Alright. The latest that can be constitutionally is the first week of August 20 29, and it could be that Kirstjarma well, many people don't think he's gonna be prime minister for that much longer, but
13:37 whatever whoever his successor would have until the first week of August 20 29. But, you know, it could be that something happens before that. We're expecting a recession. We're expecting perhaps a very
13:48 tight credit squeeze before, you know, before 20 29. So it's that we'd be looking at a general election 20 27. I think I'm probably, you know, more inclined to say it's it's
14:00 gonna be 20 29. I think the last hundred years, the British government's fallen maybe once. You know, when you change prime minister, you don't change government. You just change the leader of the party who's got the
14:12 majority in parliament. And it
14:13 just seems to me, I can't figure out why Labour would call an election just to get killed to hold power while you have it.
14:20 Exactly. As I said earlier, know, Turkeys don't vote for Christmas even if they hate their head turkey, which they do. And indeed, the whole of the British left is
14:28 now Turkey.
14:29 The whole but pretty bland, definitely. But, yeah, the whole of the British left now is is is really cannibalizing itself. It's it's splintering off into all kinds of different movements. We've seen for the first time
14:40 ever, really, the Green Party now getting into well into double digits in the polls.
14:44 Could we get Green versus reform as It's
14:47 not unthinkable. It's not unthinkable.
14:49 What we have in the United States. Oh, it's MAGA versus, Mamdani. Right.
14:55 Yeah. I mean, so it's it's very very interesting seeing the parallels between somebody like Mamdani and Zach Polanski, who is this the the new leader of the Green Party, and it's growing very, very fast as a party.
15:07 That was easy. I think you only pay, like, 5 pounds to to get in, so it'd probably be quite easy to to, to do some entryism and maybe hijack the Green Party. But as far as we're concerned, it's it's it's fantastic. You
15:16 know? May may may many flowers on the British left bloom because it's basically fracturing the vote between, you know, you've got, you know, sort of the focus on well, I
15:28 mean, there are you focus on the crescent, you might say. There's a there's a focus on the rainbow. There's a focus on the star with the old socialists. So it's it is it's not gonna not gonna work out well, and
15:40 and the cracks are emerging. The parliamentary labor party is very welfarist, very, very statist. Starman tried to get a tiny little haircut,
15:52 5000000000 pounds off our ballooning 300000000000 pound a year welfare bill, and he couldn't get it through even though he had a majority in parliament of about 175 seats. So and and
16:04 that's the most you know, just just a very, very tiny, very, very small exercise of kinda retraining our public expenditure. So, yeah, things are things are not looking good
16:17 on that on that side of British politics. And on the right, yes, there are supposed so there are also figures popping up. There's a Tommy Robinson. There's Rupert Lohs. There's Ben Habibs. These interesting figures on
16:27 the right. So it there's it's not like like we're completely unified, but that's where the energy is. I think there's a feeling that that's where the policy energy is. That's where the the the people are. It's where the
16:38 the the best ideas are fizzing on the right. So we just discussed with Steve Dace, our last guest, about
16:44 the recurring Republican problem of elect people to restrict immigration or do other bold things, and they just get these feet of clay in office. So I suppose 1 obvious concern is
16:56 reform wins a landslide 27 or 29. Mhmm. Do they have the stones to go through with a big immigration cutback or moratorium, or or other big sweeping things? Or is there gonna be a lot of are people
17:08 gonna wuss out at the at the brink?
17:10 Yeah. Somebody told me, I think was about a year ago, that the process there's a name for that process, what what happens to you as you as you go in. And it's the Malonification Malonification, which I think actually in
17:20 retrospect is probably unfair to Georgia Maloney, who is reputed to have come in with talking tough on migration and then actually folded as soon she got in. But, actually, I think if you look at her numbers and what
17:30 she's done, her track record, it's been pretty impressive. So it's going be very, very challenging. We're going to be up against 1 of the most effective blobs, as it were, as you call it, in in England in
17:42 in in the world. It's enormous inertia, huge resistance probably to to to almost all of our program despite we're having widespread popular support across all the different of getting regaining control of
17:54 our borders. So it's gonna be extremely difficult. We're gonna be up against, the judicial industrial complex, the human rights lawyers.
18:02 I'm very fascinated. That was actually my question about legally what are you guys going to because we Trump gets stopped at every judge, every district judge with a gavel and a robe. And I can I can only imagine
18:13 just knowing the nature somewhat of of the English intelligentsia that that that it you're gonna be up against a real stiff fight?
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19:45 We've got a full house here. Doctor James Orr, Blake Neff, myself, and we're about to bring in 1 more. Joining us now is Todd Nettleton, author of When Faith Is Forbidden. He's also
19:57 the Voice of the Martyrs radio host. Todd, welcome to the show.
20:01 Thanks so much. Good to be with you.
20:03 Yeah, honored to be with you. You're also joined by Doctor. James Orr from Cambridge, and this is an issue near and dear to his heart as well. So we're going to have a fun well, not a fun, it's a serious and important
20:14 conversation. You have been traveling around interviewing persecuted Christians in South Asia, and I think a lot of people a lot of discussion right now is about Nigeria. This is kind of
20:26 if you're gonna talk about this topic, that's where you're focused on. But, you know, there are other areas of the world that we need to be aware of where Christians are being persecuted actively right now. Please tell
20:36 us about some of your stories out of South Asia.
20:39 Yeah, 1 of the things we heard repeatedly in South Asia was stories of Christians being affected by the anti conversion laws in India. So, multiple states, now 12 states in India,
20:51 have passed laws that make it illegal to change your religion and illegal to encourage someone else to change their religion. So, right now in India, are dozens of pastors in prison
21:03 under these anti conversion laws. And 1 of the interesting things is the inducement, the idea of inducing someone to change their faith is illegal. We actually had an interview and we've aired it now on
21:14 Voice of the Martyrs Radio with a human rights attorney who is talking about, if you set up donuts and coffee before your church service, the government can come in and say, Hey, that's an illegal inducement. You're
21:26 giving donuts and coffee away. You're tricking people into changing their religion. That's the kind of silliness that these laws are based on. Here's the other thing, though. It is not illegal
21:38 to reconvert someone to Hinduism. In fact, an Indian member of parliament just in the last few weeks has presided over what they call a reconversion ceremony, reconverting people back to
21:49 Hinduism. They can do that by force, but if a Christian invites you to church, if the Christian gives you donuts and coffee, that's an illegal inducement to change your religion.
22:00 Wow. So, 12 states, I had to look this up, there's 28 states in India. So, we're at nearly half of the country of India. It is now legal and I don't know population,
22:12 you know, what percentage of the population that would make up. But that is striking, especially for a British, former British run, colony, if you will. But so when when
22:24 did that start changing? I'm curious. When did that those laws start passing?
22:28 Well, they really took a a lot of momentum when prime minister Modi, has come out of this Hindu nationalist movement called the RSS, that is his background. He's the prime minister
22:40 of the whole country of India. And so he has brought that philosophy to the highest levels of the Indian government. Now, they have talked about national anti conversion law. So far, that has not happened. But there
22:52 are individual states where they have passed these anti conversion laws. When they talk about it, it sounds like a good idea. Like, hey, we don't want people to be bribed or forced to change their religion. And I
23:04 think all of us would say, yeah, that's true. We don't want that. But then, like I say, when you get to what the law actually says, and some of the laws, there's 1 state that says, if you want to change your religion,
23:15 you need to go before a magistrate and say that you're going to change your religion. And if you want to talk to someone else about changing their religion, what us Christians would call evangelism, you need to go
23:27 before a magistrate 6 months before you have that conversation, and you need to appear and say, Hey, in 6 months, I'm going to talk to my neighbor about coming to church with me. I just want to get your okay,
23:38 Mr. Magistrate. And it's like you read that and you're like, That's ludicrous. No 1 could do that. No 1 would do that. Yes, exactly. So when you have that conversation, then they can come in and say, well, 6 months ago,
23:50 you didn't go to the magistrate. That was illegal. You're going off to jail.
23:55 You've you know, it kinda makes me think of this story that's kinda percolating, and we haven't talked about it yet, but rep Mark Warren Walker from North Carolina, he's he's Trump's nominee for religious freedom, and
24:07 he's just been waiting for a committee hearing. So we can't seem to get that through. He's getting blocked apparently by a political form of political foe. But these are the types of stories we need to
24:19 be educated on about why why those types of posts are so important within the Trump administration. Let's let's kind of keep going around the map here. So we talked about South Asia. We, there's
24:31 there's issues in Central Asia, and there's obviously Nigeria. Highlight the stories that that you think are our audience needs to hear most.
24:38 Well, I I think of Nigeria. Obviously, it's in the news. Just on Sunday, there was another raid on a church, 13 Christians kidnapped out of their church. Right now, we don't know.
24:50 Was this Boko Haram? Was this ISIS West Africa province? Was it just a criminal gang that wants ransom? They're trying to fundraise, and so they're kidnapping people for ransom. Right now, we don't know
25:02 that, but this is happening again and again and again. I think at some point you start to ask the question, well, is the Nigerian government incapable of stopping these kinds of attacks or do
25:14 they not have the will to stop these kinds of attacks? And those are valid questions. Since President Trump named Nigeria as a country of particular concern earlier this year. It's gonna be really
25:26 interesting to see how the State Department plays that out and what what tools are brought to bear to help Nigeria. Again, typically, it's not the government of Nigeria that is persecuting Christians. It is these
25:38 terrorist groups. It is Islamists from among the Fulani tribe, it is other sort of smaller players. So it's going to be interesting to see how that CPC status plays out and how the State
25:50 Department sort of acts that out in our relationship with Nigeria.
25:54 Well, and 1 of the more surprising things, I don't know if you've heard this story, Doctor. Orr, but Nicki Minaj, of all people, has been helping raise awareness. You can throw up 2 62.
26:07 She gave a keynote remark on combating religious violence and the killing of Christians in Nigeria. She's been working willing to work with the Trump administration to raise awareness on this. I mean, this is
26:19 a, I have to say I'm not I've not traditionally been a fan of the rapper known as Nicki Minaj, but I I mean, what good for her. How many Christians have
26:31 been silent? How many conservatives have been silent about the persecution of the Christian church in Nigeria, the slaughter of Christians? And then Nicki Minaj comes here and she helps make it a
26:42 national news story, an international news story. It already was 1, but raising the profile of that story. Have you seen movement even at Voice of the Martyrs since she's gotten involved?
26:52 Oh, it is interesting to to have, other voices that you weren't expecting. Bill Maher did the same thing, raising the issue of Nigerian persecution. So you have Bill Maher and you have Nicki Minaj, and
27:04 you have President Trump all talking about the persecution of Christians in Nigeria. I don't think any of us would have predicted that at the beginning of this year.
27:12 Yeah. Let's take our sights to Syria. There's kind of conflicting reports, but I know that Christians are getting targeted in Syria as well. What can you tell
27:24 us there?
27:25 Well, Syrian government, the new Syrian government now almost a year old, a year since the fall of Bashir al Assad there in Syria. What they have said to the rest of the world is, we
27:37 want religious freedom. We want a Syria that is safe for every religion. We know Christians and then there are Syrians who are Druze and there are Syrians who are Muslim and we want to all live together
27:49 in peace. And the rest of the world hears that and we're like, yes, that's great. We want that too. What they're saying though, inside Syria is very different. We have had contact with Syrian pastors
28:01 who have are hearing from the government or hearing from the soldiers, You Christians, just you wait. Wait till we get our feet on the ground. Wait till we get our government established. Then we're going to take care of
28:12 you. So, what they're telling the rest of the world, the Syrian government, is not what they're telling Christians living inside Syria. And Christians there are understandably very concerned. If you're a father or a
28:24 mother and you have young children in Syria and you're a Christian right now, you're asking yourself every single day, is it safe for our children? Is it safe to raise our children here? Or should we try to go somewhere
28:35 else? That's a huge challenge, and that's just reality of following Christ right now in Syria.
28:41 Well, thank you for that update. Know, it occurs to me, and you guys kind of flag this for us, is that during the Christmas season, persecution of Christians
28:53 actually increases. So, you know, for our audience listening, what do they need to know about that? Why is that a thing? And what can they do to help?
29:01 Well, you hate Christians, if you hate the Gospel, what better time to make a statement like that than on the day Christians are celebrating the birth of Christ? So, Christians have been targeted in
29:13 recent years in Democratic Republic of the Congo, in Bangladesh, in Nigeria, in Egypt. So we want Christians here in America, as you gather around the table, as you areShow more
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