Skip to content “Hell to Pay:” Citizen Kane Returns Dec 9 · 39 min ...more
“Hell to Pay:” Citizen Kane Returns
December 9, 2025 · 39 min
Indiana native Kane of Citizen Free Press rejoins the show after an extended hiatus to discuss the battle between Indiana’s MAGA voters and not-so-MAGA Republicans over redistricting. He also gives a national “vibe check” and talks about Indiana reaching #1 in college football, Notre Dame boycotting the Pop-Tarts Bowl, and more. Will Chamberlain then joins to analyze the European Union’s bid to crush online free speech with a mammoth fine against Elon Musk’s X. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Series The Charlie Kirk Show December 9, 2025 · 39 min · The Charlie Kirk Show
Indiana native Kane of Citizen Free Press rejoins the show after an extended hiatus to discuss the battle between Indiana’s MAGA voters and not-so-MAGA Republicans over redistricting. He also gives a national “vibe check” and talks about Indiana reaching #1 in college football, Notre Dame boycotting the Pop-Tarts Bowl, and more. Will Chamberlain then joins to analyze the European Union’s bid to crush online free speech with a mammoth fine against Elon Musk’s X. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. ...more Show the full description Show less Indiana native Kane of Citizen Free Press rejoins the show after an extended hiatus to discuss the battle between Indiana’s MAGA voters and not-so-MAGA Republicans over redistricting. He also gives a national “vibe check” and talks about Indiana reaching #1 in college football, Notre Dame boycotting the Pop-Tarts Bowl, and more. Will Chamberlain then joins to analyze the European Union’s bid to crush online free speech with a mammoth fine against Elon Musk’s X. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Series The Charlie Kirk Show
1.23K followers
Charlie Kirk (born October 14, 1993) is an American conservative activist, author, and political commentator. He is the founder and president of Turning Point
1.23K followers
0:03 My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the0:15 most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending0:26 your kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start at Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start at Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your0:36 church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord MuseMe.0:48 Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the1:00 leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers.1:09 Alright. Welcome back. Hour 2 of the Charlie Kirk Show, and I am extraordinarily excited about our next guest. And I'll tell you why, because he is a dear friend, and he has not been back on the show1:21 since we lost Charlie. And he, at various points in this show's history, has been a regular. He even joined us in Detroit. We're gonna play that clip. And that, of course, is Kane from1:32 Citizen Free Press. Very excited to have you back on the show, my friend. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show.1:39 Yeah. Happy to be here, Andrew. I checked, you know, on the, the Zoom invite for this for this interview. It was February thirteenth.
1:47 That was the last time you were on?
1:49 Yeah. That was the last time I on. So you and I talked obviously February, March, April. I remember we DM back and forth, but I was just as you know, I got pissed off about deficits, about the deficits,
2:00 right, in the big beautiful bill. And I was having a battle with Besson and and Russ Vogt and, you know so I just was negative, man. All I would have had to say was negative stuff about
2:12 how there wasn't enough, there weren't enough spending cuts. So I just, I ducked out of the media scene for 6 months or so.
2:20 Yeah, you know, that's interesting. And Blake will remember this as well. We kinda went through our own journey, and Charlie went through his own journey with the big beautiful Bill. And I think it really turned for him
2:31 when we had Steven Miller on the show. It was an extended conversation, like, 30, 35 minutes, and it went viral, you know, kind of explaining the nuances of the bill, why Steven
2:43 Miller was in support of obviously, he's part of the administration, so you've got to assume that he's, you know, going to see some important things. But it was actually an incredibly compelling moment. And I remember
2:54 that that clip went viral and really helped galvanize a lot of the base of support for that bill. But listen, we understand everybody wanted less spending. We all want less spending. We do. But Yeah. Go ahead, Ken.
3:04 Yeah. I under well, yeah, I was gonna say I understood Besson's point the whole time, and I even tried to promote it. You know? I was giving them a fair shake. And what he was saying was basically this you know, 300 I
3:16 think the spending cut number, you know, for the first year was 156000000000. And his point was, look. If we cut 300000000000 or 3 50 or 400000000000 out of discretionary, it's actually
3:27 gonna take a a 1 percent slice out of GDP. And that's what he was worried about. He was saying, give them 4 years. They're gonna get this right. He was talking all about measuring it as a percentage of GDP. So he's like,
3:39 we're at 7 percent now. Give us 4 years. We'll get it into the threes. We'll get it down to, you know, to where the the annual deficit is just 3 and a half percent of GDP. And I understood his point, and I and that's
3:49 what Stephen Miller was talking about. I was just you know, as I've told you privately, right, I the whole reason I'm into politics that I got radicalized back in 19 87 when I was working at at CNN
4:01 was was the national debt. And that's when it crossed like a 1000000000001 half or 2000000000000. So I just know, it's I I have a stick up my butt about the debt and deficit and just I love You know, figured
4:13 somehow I got this large audience after 8 years. Right? And I might as well use it. And so I used it to just kinda drive the point that senator Johnson and and a few others were really making about cuts. But anyway, I'm
4:25 over it. I was never against the bill, and I made that clear on the final day that I fully supported it. Anyway, whatever. I I don't wanna get Well, that
4:34 that's admirable. That's admirable because we do we do need people to care about that. We can't forget about it because people, it's the thing everyone in the country loves to just push under the rug, but the rug is
4:44 getting Yeah. It's getting very elevated at this point. But
4:49 Absolutely. We wanted to have
4:50 you on Kane because what Charlie loved talking to you about so much was you you you have those links out there. You see what people are clicking on, what they care about. You are incredibly
5:01 good vibes reader as it were. And we've had a lot of discussion this last fall about what are the vibes on the right. Are they feeling optimistic?
5:11 Are they
5:11 feeling downbeat? How quickly can 1 chain can it change from the 1 to the other? So the floor is yours on that question.
5:18 Well, here's what I would say quickly. I would say, you know what? The base is fine. They're maybe scared. And and I'm gonna make the distinction between the the Twitter base and the base that never goes on Twitter
5:29 unless they're on a link, you know, from CFP, people who don't have Twitter accounts. So, again, the scared part, why is that? Well, it's always the it's always the same thing that we get our butts kicked in these
5:40 special elections, in these off year elections. And Charlie and I would go through that. He would be like, chill out, Kane. It's gonna be okay. We're gonna get turnout, you know, in 20 24. And not if you were I mean, you
5:50 remember we lost, what, 13 straight of those special elect or democrats over performed in 13 straight. So anyway, they're scared because of that.
5:57 I'm gonna play a clip from this was your first public appearance with Charlie and I in Detroit at our people's convention last year. Let's go ahead and play 1 47.
6:08 If we do not expand our base with new voter registration and high turnout, we are not going to win. And the higher turnout, the higher likelihood that we are going to win. Yes. And Democrats know this. And so we need
6:19 to engage in every legal way we possibly can, to make it too big to rig. And, Kane, if our elections were actually honest and secure, what would the result end up being?
6:28 I want people to understand what Turning Point Action and Turning Point USA has been doing over the last 6 months regarding chasing the vote. Alright? The what what what Andrew just talked about, the low propensity
6:38 voters. We've gotta get out and register at all you know, play by the rules. We don't like these rules. We don't think that absentee ballots are the way to go for the future. But as long as they're part of the system,
6:50 we have to use that.
6:52 It's a good memory, Kane. Hey, Kane. If you can hear me, I'm not sure if you're if you're with us or if we're reconnecting you, but the we I actually you and I reconnected recently, and I was telling you, I've gotten a
7:03 bunch of emails at Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com saying, where's Citizen Free Press? Where's Kane? Where is he?
7:08 I'm now looking through some of our emails. In fact, I think I was even we were inspired to to reach out to him again because we had we had an email from Samantha just a few a week ago. Hey, Blake and Andrew. Has anyone
7:20 checked in with Citizen Kane? We is he doing okay? And I I said, yes. We still talk to him. He's doing well, but we actually need to get him on the show too.
7:28 Alright. Well, so this is this is a good time to bring up, the updates in Indiana. I cannot tell you how many emails I've gotten or texts from reporters about Indiana. So we announced this last week. We had a rally
7:39 there at the state house in Indiana, and there is a big, big fight that is brewing right now, and it's going to come to an ahead probably this week where they are going to vote
7:51 on the new maps in Indiana. So are we gonna have a completely red state, all Republican congressional districts redrawn? There's a certain, percentage of the senators in that
8:03 state that have not indicated which way they are going to vote. There is a strong possibility, and the reason this is pertinent to Kane, obviously, is that's his, home state. He's a big Indiana Hoosier.
8:15 And so the the they're gonna reconvene, Monday afternoon to begin consideration of House Bill 10 32, and the redesign would likely eliminate Indiana's 2 Democratic held congressional
8:27 districts to create a 9 0 Republican map ahead of 20 26. It's a huge, huge deal. The House approved the redistricting bill as expected on a vote 57 to 41. 12 Republicans joined all
8:38 Democrats in opposition, but senate senate president pro tem Roderick Bray has warned that there are not enough votes to move that idea forward. And so what's happening in the background here is that
8:50 groups like Turning Point Action and others, there's a big coalition that is building and forming forming. We are going to have congressional level spending going after to primary these
9:02 senators in Indiana to get them more in alignment with their base voters. The base voters in Indiana want this new map. Kane, do yeah. I've transitioned since you've been gone to
9:14 the this new redistricting map. There there is a huge, huge push going on right now.
9:20 How do people feel about redistricting Indiana and across the country?
9:23 They're incredibly pissed off in Indiana that the Indiana senate is blowing all this smoke. As you probably mentioned, the vote was 57 41 in the house, Indiana house just on Friday. Right? And that was with 10 or 11
9:34 democrat republicans defecting and voting with democrats. There's gonna be hell to pay if the Indiana senate doesn't approve this thing. In that political article, they say that Mike Johnson's been making phone calls
9:46 and don't bet on this outcome yet. We may get our map.
9:51 Hey, everybody. This is Andrew Colvet, executive producer of The Charlie Kirk Show. Berna is proud to continue supporting Charlie Kirk's mission and the important work of Turning Point USA because empowering Americans to
10:02 defend their freedoms begins with protecting themselves, their families, and their communities. The Berna less lethal launcher looks like a firearm, but it isn't 1. It fires powerful chemical irritant and kinetic
10:13 projectiles that can stop a threat in its tracks, giving you the time and space you need to get to safety. And now you can hear from Charlie in his own words.
10:21 Berna is about preventing tragedy and preserving life without the consequences of using lethal measures. It's legal in all 50 states, requires no background checks, and over 500000 units are in the hands
10:33 of responsible citizens and law enforcement. Berna can be shipped directly to your door. I've personally tested the Berna pistol and can vouch for its effectiveness and its ease of use. Be prepared. Be confident.
10:44 Be safe. Go to Berna, b y r n a dot com. That's Berna dot com, and see why tens of thousands of Americans are choosing Berna for peace of mind. Love that
10:55 line, Kane. There is going to be hell to pay. And I talk about this I talked about this last week. Blake will remember that when you have a solidly red state that gets kind of out it's it's left out on an island
11:07 of its own. We're not focusing on it during a presidential year because it's not a swing state. What happens is these incumbent political parties and machines are able to keep existing. They kinda just hide in the
11:18 shadows, and you get this misalignment between the base voters that are consuming content at at citizen free press that are consuming content on this show. They get misaligned with the base voters and the and the
11:30 political class, And that's what you're having in Indiana where you have these weak squishy senators that are standing in the way of what the base wants. And there will be held to pay. Kane.
11:40 Yeah. And you had and as an Indiana resident, you had no idea this was going on. Right? There's never a test. There's how do you know that these people are this way, that they're this squishy, that they're gonna react
11:51 this way to a simple redistricting. So it caught know, it it I think it surprised the voters. And look, I'm sure you mentioned it. Know, Indiana is a big pro Trump state. It's we've been plus 20
12:03 or so for the last 2 elections. I mean, we we sent we sent Evan Bayh packing again, you know, when he thought he could waltz back in for a senate seat. So anyway, this is a strong Trump state, and it it's it's
12:15 shocking that the, you know, that so many of the state senators are this out of touch. Again, as I sort of said before we went to break, you know, calls have been made. There's been pressure that has been applied this
12:25 weekend. So, you know, I'm watching it by the hour on local TV. So we're gonna see how the senate, how this sort of plays out. I think we have a chance, you know, to eliminate. And last thing I'll say before throwing it
12:36 back, 1 of the 2 democrat seats is is held by Andre Carson. He's done nothing in his life except serve under his mom. His mom, I forget her name, but she was a congresswoman Indianapolis for 50
12:48 years. She died, like, in her eighties or nineties in the last, I don't know, let's say 10, 15 years ago, and her son is just swooped into the stick into that seat. So it'd be wonderful to get him out of congress.
12:58 I I gotta ask you, Kane. What about this this Indiana state senator Michael Bohachek that says he will oppose redistricting because Trump said the r word.
13:09 Yeah. That guy got pissed off right. They got Trump said retard in in a true social post, and this guy got offended because he has a son, I believe, who has autism or some learning disability. And I understand that on a
13:20 personal level, but that's not what your job is. His job isn't to sort of protect his family. His job is to do the right thing for the state of Indiana. And so to me that's completely ridiculous.
13:32 Well, he's gonna be on our list here. And, you know, he by the way, he recently pleaded guilty apparently to driving while intoxicated. He was 3 times Indiana's legal limit. So there's some
13:42 inconsistencies in his background. Kane, give us an update on your traffic. How's things going at citizen free press?
13:50 Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's an interesting peek into how media works. When your side wins, traffic goes down. When your side loses, traffic goes up. So when Biden won in 20 20, the last 4
14:02 years, people are freaked out. They're checking news. They're checking my site 8 times a day. Now I get the same number of people every day, but they check about 5 times. But that in in all honesty, part of that is
14:12 probably due to my slacking. As you know, cause you read the site every day. The last 6 months, you know, for the first time in 9 years, I decided not to work 16, 18 hours a day, and I worked 12 to 14. So
14:23 there's fewer there've been fewer updates. But traffic's still fine. I'm doing 12000000 page views a day. It's about 6 and a half million people per month come on their own to the homepage. So that's 2 percent of the
14:35 population.
14:36 Well done. Massive powerhouse at Citizen Free Press. Kane, it feels like we're getting, like, the old vibes back. I'm not kidding. I I was telling the team when I walked into the studio today. Was like, man, I feel the
14:46 vibe shift. There's like a I don't know what it is. Maybe it's just in my head. But having you back on feels, really, really good. I hope you will not be a stranger, Kane, and that you will come back more often because
14:58 we need to keep the base focused. And that's what you and Charlie did, which what you and me and Charlie and Blake. Keep the base focus on those on the main things like, hey, redistricting. There's a huge
15:09 fight that's happening this week. You gotta contact your senators. By the way, if you wanna get involved, t p action dot com forward slash act Indiana. We might I think we have that URL from last week. You guys can find
15:21 it. We should put it up on the lower banner. You can send letters to to everybody. Act Indiana, TP Action dot com forward slash act Indiana. We gotta put the pressure on these guys. But, Kane, I have to bring this
15:33 topic up. It's Charlie loved college football, so we keep talking about it because we are in the playoff bracket period. And I have to I I can't believe that we're sitting in a situation where
15:45 Indiana is the number 1 team. What where did this come from?
15:50 I have no idea. And you you knew this would be a topic I could talk about. I've been going to games since I was 6 years old. The football stadium is a mile from my house that I grew up in. And I rolled around on those
16:01 stupid hills and rolled around in that stadium for so for 50 some years, I've been a fan. And in what? 15 coaches, all average, all fail you get 1 guy. 1 guy
16:13 brings in his this philosophy that that I've never heard before. Every play is a has a life of its own, you know, independent of of of the play before. He he brings it in and they go,
16:25 what? We went 11 and o last year till we lost Ohio State. And then, you know, anyway, it's unbelievable. I did not expect to win the game in Indy. The town's on fire. We're ranked number 1 for the first time
16:37 in history. You know, I don't I I can't even believe it's happening. I I still you know, I had to we lost 30 straight years to Ohio State, as you know. And I want people to know, you know, when
16:48 Andrew talks about football, he was an all state safety in in in Nevada. In high school, he could have played college safety for a bunch of schools. So he knows football better than I do. But this is insane, and it
17:00 was insane that Indiana went to Oregon and won. And I thought of our dear brother Charlie then and how much he loved University of Oregon football. And it's just it's also bittersweet, but but it's
17:12 exciting. And and what the heck? We're, you know, we're ranked number 1. How about that?
17:16 How about that? You beat the Ohio State Buckeyes, and Danny on our team was was in tears, but they're still ranked number 2. Well, you might get a rematch here. Hey, Blake. You're the Catholic here. Notre Dame was
17:28 left out, which is a big scandal across college football. I'm sorry. Do you care?
17:35 No. I'm I'm angry. I'm angry that Notre Dame is throwing a temper tantrum. And so, 1, they turned down the Catholics versus Mormon bowl, but they also turned down specifically, it is the Pop
17:47 Tart bowl in which they they literally sacrifice the Pop Tart. They lower the mascot into the giant toaster oven, and then they consume the mascot. Yes. And Yeah. I think that's probably the
17:59 best modern tradition we have in college football. And they're
18:02 It's hilarious.
18:02 Pooping on it. I think they're being kinda babies, to be honest.
18:05 Are they throwing a tantrum, Kane?
18:07 Yes. They are. From from the state first off, Blake is 100 percent correct about the Pop Tart thing. It's this hilarious meme thing they they do at this ball. I I've seen it the last
18:19 few years. But, yeah, they're throwing a fit. You they had the ESPN reporter on scene yesterday, and she said people were walking the players were walking out with their heads down. They feel like that They called it a
18:30 farce. Right? The whole deal for people who don't know is suddenly Miami jumped BYU in the rankings. So they were comparing Miami dead on with Notre Dame, and they decided in that comparison that Miami
18:41 was gets the bid because Miami beat them in the first or second game of the season head to head. So and and that had pissed off Notre Dame fans because in the preceding you know, college football puts it out
18:53 the the committee puts out rankings once a week separate from AP and the coaches poll, and Notre Dame had been ranked ahead of Miami. So they fell in with what they call a false sense of security that they were gonna get
19:04 the bid. So, yeah, there's the pop tart. Great work by your producers. But, yeah, Notre Dame is like they're taking their ball and going home. They're saying if we don't get into
19:12 the college football
19:13 playoffs yeah.
19:15 Well, we're we're looping around. I remember when it was only you know, they only had the national title game, and there was no playoff, and people would complain, oh, unfair things caused people to leap, and we can fix
19:26 this if we have a 4 team playoff, and then teams didn't they'd complain about how unfair they didn't get in the final 4. And now they're like, we made 12 teams. Every remotely plausible national champion will get in, and
19:37 they're still throwing a huge temper tantrum. And I would say, Notre Dame, if you wanna not throw a temper tantrum about how it's unfair to overtake you, win all your games, or join a conference that you
19:49 can win and get another win in the final week of the season.
19:53 Alright. We have to go because we're running out of time. Citizen Free Press, you guys have to visit it. Make it your homepage. Just go there all the time. I do. Kane, it is so good to have you back, my friend.
20:05 It's a blast from the past and really a good vibe good vibe shift. Come back soon.
20:09 Likewise. Good seeing good seeing both of you, and I may be out at AmFest. You never know.
20:14 Alright, brother.
20:17 This is Lane Schumburger, chief investment officer and founding partner of YREFI. It has been an honor and a privilege to partner with Turning Point, and for Charlie to endorse us. His endorsement means the world to
20:28 us, and we look forward to continuing our partnership with Turning Point for years to come. Now, hear Charlie in his own words tell you about YREFI.
20:36 I'm gonna tell you guys about YREFI dot com. That is y r e f y dot com. YREFI is incredible. Private student loan debt in America totals about 300000000000 dollars. YREFI is refinancing distress or defaulted
20:48 private student loans. You can finally take control of your student loan situation with a plan that works for your monthly budget. Go to YREFI dot com. That is YREFI dot com. Do you have a co borrower? YREFI can get them
20:59 released from the loan. You can skip a payment up to 12 times without penalty. It may not be available in all 50 states. Go to y refy dot com. That is y r e f y dot com. Let's face it. If you have distress or
21:10 defaulted student loans, it can be overwhelming. Because of private student loan debt, so many people feel stuck. Go to y refy dot com. That is y r e f y dot com. Private student loan debt relief y
21:22 refi dot com.
21:25 I wanna play actually a a clip if if you guys can find it. Trump, was, was talking about, TikTok and Charlie helping with the youth vote. So if you can find me that clip really quick, I want to play it,
21:38 because it's just it's just really sweet. So anyways, we'll get to that clip in just a second. In the meantime, I want to bring in Will Chamberlain. He is the, senior counsel for the Article 3 project. So he works with
21:48 our good friend Mike Davis. Does a lot of other things. Will, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's good to have you here.
21:55 It's good to be with you. Long time no see. I, you know, haven't been on since, before obviously Charlie's passing. So I, you know, hope, you know, miss you guys and obviously wishing you very, very well.
22:04 Thank you. Well, you've been fantastic. You've been so supportive, and, we we really appreciate it, genuinely. You are a legal mind. You're working with, like we said, Mike Davis, who's a a frequent guest on this show.
22:17 And there's really, I think, 2 big stories on the legal front. Maybe you would argue there's more. And so we can get to those as well if we have time. But the the first 1, and we've already got to the birthright
22:28 citizenship in hour 1. I want to revisit that with you. But the other big 1 that kinda was making waves this weekend is what's happening in Europe. Of course, the DSA, the digital digital services act, was put in place
22:39 in 20 23, and it affects, I would believe, censorship. X was 1 of the, if not the only major social media platform that has defied
22:50 DSA, and they got a big fine of 140000000 dollars, hundred 20000000 euros, over the weekend that was announced. Elon Musk is raging about it, calling it BS, but, you know, not using the
23:02 acronym. What is going on here, Will, and what are the implications for us here in the United States?
23:07 Yeah. So the EU Commission has fined X for 140000000 dollars They claim that the giving out the verified check to anybody who pays 8 dollars a month for it
23:19 is deceptive. Now, that's not true because Elon Musk and X have been extremely transparent in how they've structured the verified program. If anything, was the prior administration that was totally deceptive with how
23:31 they were handing out blue checks. It was a complete black box. Now Elon's transparent. They're also going after Elon for refusing to hand over X's proprietary API data so that European researchers
23:43 can go through it for free and figure out what's wrong with X. All this is I think part of what maybe Americans are sort of waking up to, which is that there's this
23:55 discordance between the European Union and NATO. When European countries put on their NATO hats, they're extraordinarily grateful for the Transatlantic Alliance, being under the American security umbrella. When they put
24:06 on their EU hat, they're part of an adversarial trade bloc that wants to exert leverage over the United States and American companies. And I don't think we should have to put up with that. And I think that the Europeans
24:18 need to make a choice whether they prefer being under the American security umbrella or antagonizing American companies because we're not going to put up with both.
24:25 Yeah. Well, so how does this impact American companies then? So all of the other social media sites, whether that be Meta, Google, they have complied. Is that right? I
24:37 mean, and what are the implications for our free speech if that is true?
24:40 Well, there's there's some sites that haven't that are kind of only based in the United States, but that hasn't stopped European regulators from going after them. For example, I believe it's 4chan was sent letters by
24:51 Ofcom, the UK's independent regulator, trying to tell them that they needed to start censoring speech, but that obviously would be in violation of their First Amendment rights under the constitution. So they're telling
25:01 the UK to go pound sand, but it create this fundamental problem and imbalance where there's no cost to these European countries going after the United
25:12 States. And we have to spend a lot of money defending ourselves. So I think there's a good lawyer by the name of Preston Byrne, who's proposed something called the Granite Act that's already been taken up in the
25:24 state of Wyoming. And we're hearing from the Department of State that they're looking at a federal Granite Act. And the idea is that anytime a European sovereignty makes a threat against an American company that would
25:34 threaten them if they don't censor their speech, they immediately have a private right of action here in the United States to sue that sovereignty or that company for 3 times the amount of the threat, which I think is
25:45 the right way to go. I think the European Union is vastly overplaying its hand legally here. They are far more dependent on access to United States markets. They are far more dependent on United States security
25:54 cooperation than we are on them. And so we're we shouldn't, and I don't think we will put up with their continued threats to our free speech.
26:03 Yeah. I just wanna drive home how despicable this is. A lot of people don't realize how Europe works. So for example, the this fine came from the European Commission. What's
26:15 the European Commission? Well, the European Union, even though they'll obvi they obviously will scream scream all the time about democracy, but it's super fake. You can't in America, we can elect president Trump through
26:27 an actual direct election. We are able to elect our congress. In the European Union, they have the European Commission. And the way you get on the European Commission is governments appoint members of it. They're the
26:37 only ones who can come up with any regulations, any proposed laws from the European Union. No 1 in Europe actually gets to vote on these directly. They just have the European Parliament, and it gets an up or down vote on
26:49 stuff that comes from the European Commission. And the other thing that's going on is Europe is in economic sharp decline. They've decided it's immoral to make electricity. It's immoral to
27:01 build houses. It's immoral to really develop any technology whatsoever or to favor entrepreneurship. And so you can look this up. I encourage everyone to Google this phrase, regulatory
27:12 superpower. This is what Europe is is reduced to. Well, we have 800000000 people, so let's become a quote, regulatory superpower where we just pass laws and we boss people
27:24 around. And in this case, literally shake them down for money. And that's what Europe is reduced to because they aren't innovative. They aren't dynamic. They're just
27:36 rich because of things that their ancestors did decades or hundreds of years ago. And that's what we're stuck having to deal with here. They're dependent on us for security. They're dependent on us for innovation, and
27:47 they think they can boss around what we say on the Internet.
27:50 Yeah. That's exactly right.
27:51 Yeah. I mean, Will, can so diving into this DSA though, what are the what are the dynamics? What what are the rules of it? Like, what are the stipulations even?
28:01 It seems a lot like Calvin ball, honestly. Like, it's like I think it, you know, probably has some generic prohibition on deceptive trade practices, the kind of thing we have here. But then it gives the the EU this
28:13 incredible scope to interpret what constitutes a deceptive trade practice. It doesn't look like there was a court involved in making this decision or attempts any real due process or litigation. It's just the European
28:22 Commission decided that Twitter's verified process was unlawful and that's the end of that. Moreover, the way they're doing it, I mean, they're just completely flagrantly in violation of
28:34 American speech jurisprudence here. Sorry, like Elon Musk gets to determine how X verifies its users. As long as he's not lying about it, the EU doesn't get to complain. If the EU decides they want to just shut
28:46 X out of its market entirely fine, that's great. It'll at least make it clear where we stand here. Guys are actually antagonistic adversarial nations like China, instead of supposedly friendly allied nations
28:58 in fellow inheritors of western civilization. Okay, very well. We can proceed on that basis. The difference is China has a real military and you don't.
29:07 Yeah, well that's interesting. This was near and dear to Charlie's heart by the way. This is 1 of the themes of the last year especially when he visited the UK with Blake, and some of the other team, but it was, it was
29:18 an acknowledgement that the fundamental relationship of our transatlantic allies, the, the inheritors, as you said, of, of western civilization are finding themselves increasingly out of alignment about basic
29:30 things like free speech. You've heard J. D. Vance talk about this. Senator Mark or, Senator, goodness gracious. State Department is now, Marco Rubio is going after them as well and saying there's a
29:41 misalignment here. And how do we get that alignment back, into a place where we can all say, hey, you know, we can actually shake hands and we're rowing in the same direction here. So, secretary of state Rubio has a
29:53 role to play here. What is what are the the levers that we can now push back against our friends across the Atlantic?
30:01 Right. So as I mentioned, the granted act is a good lever. We want to give individuals who are threatened by European censors a private right of action here and eliminate European sovereign immunity for lawsuits here in
30:11 the United States. So if 1 of these European actors decides that they want to go after an American citizen, we can say you're both that you don't have any sovereign immunity and you're personally liable. So we can go
30:21 after any of your assets in the United States. So don't you So, that's step 1. That's sort of a protective measure. I think step 2 is actually a broader recognition that the European Union and its continued existence is
30:32 actually antithetical to American interests. The idea behind the European Union is to create increased bargaining leverage by European countries against the United States. And again, if they want to be
30:44 adversarial to the United States, fine, but then they should have to do without our military protection. And so, we see, we know that the EU isn't just hostile to America, it's also hostile to countries within the
30:56 European Union, way they're hostile to Hungary, hostile to Poland, hostile to Italy, making demands of them to accept more migrants. I think American policy and diplomatic policy should be to
31:08 foster and lift up those countries that are pushing back against the European Union to help them leave if they want to leave, to provide monetary incentives for them to leave and to make side deals with the United
31:17 States. Should have long until the EU gets its act right and makes clear that it wants to be America's friend as opposed to America's antagonist economically, then we should go ahead and be antagonistic towards them and
31:29 maybe bring Hungary and Poland and Italy and the Czech Republic into some sidelines and allow them to leave the EU.
31:35 Wow. Blake, your reaction to that idea is a creative solution here.
31:39 I mean, I I am basically happy with anything that restores real European countries that reflect real European peoples as opposed to this European Union bloated monstrosity, which
31:50 it really I know Charlie hated the word democracy, but I'm gonna apply it to Europe here. The entire point of the European Union is to make globalist neoliberalism totally
32:02 immune from actual democratic pressures. It's entirely designed to make it so what the globalist agenda is, is not able to be stopped by anyone because it's too
32:14 separated, it's too immune from immediate voter pressure, and it's too complex for most people to understand. And the time has come for us to shatter that apart. That is the
32:25 European deep state. The European deep state is not the bureaucracy of France or Germany individually. It's this transnational project that elites have built.
32:37 And the the United States has a direct role to play in undercutting that and saying people should have a direct influence over what their countries are like.Show more
Comments No comments yet. Start the conversation.
Charlie Kirk
Comments
Keep it kind. Comments are public.