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Courage is Contagious
January 1, 2026 · 40 min
Allie Beth Stuckey reflects on why courage is contagious—and why continuing the fight matters, even after loss. In the wake of Charlie’s death, Allie shares how grief has strengthened her resolve to keep “slugging away” and pushing forward. She also takes live Q&A and addresses questions about faith, leadership, infighting, and staying grounded in truth during turbulent times. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Series The Charlie Kirk Show January 1, 2026 · 40 min · The Charlie Kirk Show
Allie Beth Stuckey reflects on why courage is contagious—and why continuing the fight matters, even after loss. In the wake of Charlie’s death, Allie shares how grief has strengthened her resolve to keep “slugging away” and pushing forward. She also takes live Q&A and addresses questions about faith, leadership, infighting, and staying grounded in truth during turbulent times. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. ...more Show the full description Show less Allie Beth Stuckey reflects on why courage is contagious—and why continuing the fight matters, even after loss. In the wake of Charlie’s death, Allie shares how grief has strengthened her resolve to keep “slugging away” and pushing forward. She also takes live Q&A and addresses questions about faith, leadership, infighting, and staying grounded in truth during turbulent times. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Charlie Kirk (born October 14, 1993) is an American conservative activist, author, and political commentator. He is the founder and president of Turning Point
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0:03 My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the0:15 most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your0:27 kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start a Turning Point USA college chapter. Go start a Turning Point USA high school chapter. Go find out how your church0:36 can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord MuseMe.0:48 Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the1:00 leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers.1:09 Alright. Without further ado, we are gonna welcome up 1 of my favorite people, 1 of Charlie's favorite people. She real she needs no introduction, Ali Beth Stuckey.1:24 Hey, y'all.1:25 Hi. And Mikey McCoy, by the way. Yeah. Hello.1:27 And how are doing?1:28 Mikey McCoy.1:29 This is my first this is actually my first 1 with Mikey. You've done some other ones without me, but this is my first 1.
1:34 I know. I really miss you. It's
1:35 a Yeah. It's an honor.
1:37 We're so glad to have you.
1:38 Thank you.
1:39 I'm glad to be here. You are a crowd favorite. You have a a huge platform, and you are a wonderful Christian model of, I would say, integrity, of courage.
1:49 Thank you.
1:49 You've had a courageous last couple months, I would say. You've your whole career certainly, but you have been a voice of truth, reason, facts. Thanks. And, you've taken the slings
2:01 and arrows. So whatever in that intro that you wanna get into, the floor is yours. You've you've been a a model of courage, though, for so many.
2:10 Well, thanks. And courage is contagious, and courage begets courage. And I think a lot of us fancied ourselves as brave before Charlie died. But then something was just triggered in all of us in
2:22 a really good way after we saw that. And any care that we had about what the world thought of us or really what anyone thought of us, it just fell to the wayside. I know that I felt like that, but even, like,
2:34 my nieces and nephews and people I know in my life who weren't political before, and maybe they weren't really digging into their bible, they certainly weren't evangelizing, that has changed. And I just, like,
2:45 wanna remind everyone, I know there's been a lot of noise, a lot of disagreement, and it can feel very demoralizing. Like, is the revival that we thought was going to happen, is it already over? It can feel like that
2:57 until you talk to the everyday person. And the conversations that I have with people that I work with or my friends or people that I know that I didn't know were interested in Christianity. They're like,
3:09 yeah, I'm going to church now. Yeah, I just got baptized. Yeah. I heard the gospel, and I believed it. So underneath all of the headlines, like, there is a revival happening, and the holy spirit is making
3:21 people more courageous. And I'm just happy that we still get to be a part of that.
3:26 Yeah. Well said. I wanna encourage everybody that maybe is asking those same questions. I've had the exact same experience that, you know, and I think it reflects now in the polling and still church attendance is still
3:37 surging. Baptisms are still surging. And so, you know, I think sometimes when the light shines the brightest, the darkness, tries to counter it. Yeah. 1 1 for 1, it can't. And I
3:49 I've said before that what God has unleashed, man cannot stop. Like, the trains left the station. Good luck stopping it. You can harass it. You can try and throw
3:56 So true.
3:57 Sticks and stones in its tracks but it's just gonna roll right over them. And so God's doing a great work here. I think we need to have faith and let the process play out too by the way with the the political
4:07 commentators and the and the noise and the debates. Like, let it play out. Like, something good might just be happening underneath the surface and we need to let that. We need to trust the Lord that he's he knows the
4:16 next steps. But, Mikey, get in here.
4:19 Yeah. I also think it's really exciting though, and I I keep saying this over and over again, but I I because I mean it and it's so powerful that Charlie literally got murdered for speaking truth and using his
4:31 free speech.
4:32 Yeah.
4:32 Free speech that oftentimes the left hated and then killed him for. And you would think that when somebody is murdered for using their free speech, it would make others kind of pause and say, maybe I don't wanna do that
4:44 because I too could get killed.
4:45 Right.
4:46 But, like, here at AmFest, it's been so encouraging for me and for all of us to see record breaking numbers of how many people are here for the first time, 80 percent of which this is the first TPOSA event ever.
4:58 But then these students that are, like, fired up, and it's like the me next in mentality. Like, I'll be the next 1. Like, put me put me on the stand. Like, I'm ready to go because courage is contagious. Yeah. And, like,
5:10 when you see that, it fires you up for truth. I and I think that the enemy wants us to think that the revival was hijacked or over. Mhmm. But in reality,
5:22 it's it's playing out in different ways that we don't even see behind the scenes. I mean, last week, Andrew, we were, like, down down bad. We were were down bad.
5:32 So y'all were discouraged.
5:34 And then being here this week, it's like
5:36 just so encouraging. I'll be super honest about it. That on Thursday morning when I was getting ready to come down here Mhmm. I would I was I was not looking forward to it. I was like, just have to get through this, and
5:47 then I'm gonna be then I can go be with my family and watch some Christmas movies. That's, like, what I wanna do. Right? Honestly, it's been a long year, this month. Charlie Charlie would say Charlie would always say.
5:58 Yeah. It's been a today's been a today's been a long week, you know. So but anyways, so but then when I got here and instantly felt it was it it was kind of like when we were at the memorial and you step in there and it
6:09 was just like, boom.
6:10 You can
6:10 just feel it. And that comes from all of you guys. And I've been riding high ever since. Honestly, this has been the most life giving couple of days and that that I have experienced in in a while. Yeah. And so
6:22 I'm I'm completely encouraged And I believe that the reach and the ripple effects of charter Charlie's martyrdom and his the assassination, we are so far reaching and so
6:33 unquantifiable that, we're we're really on this side of attorney eternity never really gonna understand the reach and the impact that Charlie has really had. And by the way, people like you stepping
6:45 into that shadow, which is my next question, stepping out from behind that shadow, I should say. You told me, and I'll feel free. This is not this is don't worry. This is not a
6:57 live stream like that. I'm just you told me that you had an initial reaction after Charlie was assassinated. Yeah. And then you transitioned to,
7:08 let's just say, a more bold reaction. Yeah. What was your first reaction? And then what changed in you?
7:15 Yeah. My initial reaction so I got a text from my publicist. I was on my way to a doctor's appointment, and she said, I just heard that Charlie Kirk has been shot on college campus. And I was like, that's not
7:27 true. That is just she heard that through someone, and that's not true. But even if that is true, gosh, she got shot in the arm, and that'll be terrible. But, you know, it it'll it'll be okay. He'll be fine. It's just my
7:38 mind couldn't even go to that spot. But then I called 1 of our mutual friends who was crying understandably on the other side, and he said it is true. I went through all the things that you've heard a lot. He might make
7:50 it and then got a text saying he didn't make it. And my first reaction was, like, I'm done. I'm not doing this anymore. It's not worth it. I thought we were in a battle of ideas, and
8:02 we're not. We're bringing ideas and they're bringing bullets. This is not a war of words. Like, this is a hot war. They've declared war on us. And then I talked to my dad. My dad, I
8:14 talk to him every day, and he's a wealth of wisdom for me. But he said, you know, when all of this clears and, like, the emotions kind of settle down, you do have to ask yourself, what would
8:25 Charlie say to you? What would he say to you? And I'm like, I know what he would say, what he would say to any of us in the movement. And all of us are so blessed with different
8:36 encouraging texts that he would send to so many people over the years. And 1 of them I got I had this negative article written about me in The Atlantic, and I was all anxious about it. But of course, Charlie texted me
8:48 and he said, huge honor. Keep slugging. And my audience has heard me tell this story. And so now, like, whenever they can tell I'm feeling discouraged, they just say, keep slugging. Keep slugging.
9:00 Keep slugging. It's almost become a motto. Like, that and now that's how I feel. Now I'm like, okay. Like, he didn't die for nothing. Like, he he would say to all of us, keep slogging. Do not
9:12 back down. This is actually the very last thing you should do.
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10:15 Well and, you know, it's funny because a lot of people have their their Charlieisms, you know, like Steve Day says, go Max. You know? Or go hard. Go hard. And then Go Max
10:24 is different
10:25 than everyone.
10:26 Oh, that's funny.
10:28 But, you know, it it is true. We I mean, this I think this is, like, hard for some people to probably hear, but, like, the night that Charlie was assassinated, there was a few of us in the hotel in Salt Lake City, and
10:40 we're sitting there, you know, stunned silence. And somebody just kinda had to, like, break the silence because, you know, what do you say in this moment? And, somebody's like, you know, Charlie would be really upset
10:51 that we're not streaming right now. And I was like, okay.
10:54 Probably true.
10:55 It's probably true. Yeah. I mean and it, you know, obviously, that wasn't the expectation and it was a joke, but it was a it was a kind of a hat tip to the way Charlie was wired. And the way Charlie was wired, he would
11:07 run right into the story. He would run right into the battle that was in front of you and and he just had this endless energy. And so when we ended up doing this stream on Friday that I guess got seen over
11:19 35000000 times or something insane, we knew we had to do that because it had to be us that honored Charlie that like spoke up for him in that moment. And, and you have done that
11:30 as well. You had this moment where, you know, Charlie was giving you encouragement about your Jubilee debate. And that happened right after. Right?
11:39 Yep. It was 2 weeks after he died. It was the day before the memorial.
11:43 Right. And you struggled with whether or not you should keep that commitment.
11:47 Yeah. I mean, the last place I wanted to be was surrounded by a circle of liberals. In that moment, just to be honest, we had a lot of security conversations before walking into this. But,
11:59 honestly, yes, like, Charlie's wisdom was so vital. Holy Spirit was present 100 percent. But also to the credit of my opponents, they were 20 liberal Christians and 1 Christian
12:11 conservative, and I got to make 4 claims and defend those claims, and all 20 of them came up and tried to deconstruct it. But and so I was nervous. And but the oh, thank you. Thank you. But the first
12:22 guy came up to me, this, like, flamboyant gay man, And he came up to me, and it's so tense in there. I don't know if they tell the cast not to smile. No 1 is smiling.
12:34 It is hot. They don't have any air conditioning. They stop every 30 seconds to turn fans off.
12:39 It is hot. I went there with Charlie.
12:41 It's so hot.
12:41 Brutally
12:42 hot. It is so hot. And it's like I and I watched Charlie's before, and they were so mean to Charlie.
12:47 Oh, yeah.
12:48 I was expecting that. And so this guy, he sits down, and Charlie told me, he said, ask them all their name because it throws them off. And so I did, but then he stopped and he said, I am so sorry about
12:59 your friend, Charlie. And that just I can't take credit for that. Like, that completely melted the tension. They didn't actually show that in the final cut of the debate. But 3 or 4 of them stopped and said,
13:11 I'm so sorry about Charlie. And honestly, like, even in death, Charlie kind of made peace in that situation that could have been really contentious. The tension kind of melted away.
13:23 I know the tension of that room.
13:25 Yeah. It was hot.
13:26 They were way
13:27 It's in hood.
13:29 Is. Is
13:30 Imagine Mikey just walking around the hood. Uh-huh.
13:32 Yeah. Exactly.
13:33 Well, you look like you're from the hood.
13:34 Yeah. I'm I'm it was familiar. Yeah.
13:37 I I give off hood vibes.
13:38 You do.
13:39 You do.
13:39 I was
13:40 like Charlie that 1 line for PBD. He's like, yeah. I'm just on on the street all the time, PBD. Yeah. Did you have a question?
13:47 No. I just I mean, you you opened up kinda talking about how we we're gonna watch this play out. But I think it's really interesting to see all the different personalities that are speaking at AmFest. Yeah. And Erica
13:59 said it the other
13:59 personalities at AmFest? Yeah. I haven't noticed
14:02 that in We're acting like this
14:03 is the
14:04 first time we've ever had like, you know, Comment. Disagreement.
14:07 Yeah. Shade being thrown from stage. No. Never. Not at Am Fest. But Erica came out yesterday, she was like, you know, you can say a lot about Am Fest. You can't say it isn't it is boring. And she was like, it's like it's
14:18 like Thanksgiving dinner with the family members, you know, like
14:22 Working out the family business.
14:23 Yeah. Working out the family business. But I I do wanna kinda talk about Tucker said in his speech, he said, if my brother goes on a drug related murder spree, I will not denounce him. And that I was like
14:35 thinking about that all night last night and then again this morning because I love my family and I'm super close with my family. But then I'm also very invested in my morality and
14:47 my values. And I was like, oh, Ali's sucky's coming. I'll just ask her what she thinks about it. Yeah. Would you denounce me if I went on a drug related murder spree?
14:56 I you know what? I would denounce you for a lot less than that, Mikey. So definitely, at that point, we're denouncing Mikey.
15:03 So so you're saying there's standards?
15:05 There's standards. Okay. So I guess we could get into the semantics of what do you mean by denounce. Of course, you still love someone in your life. Like, if your spouse, especially the person that you're 1 person
15:17 with, like, it would take a lot for you to publicly condemn them. Yeah. But you would. Like, you you would still love them and want what's best for them and all of that, but you also want
15:29 justice and you want truth just because we, you know, we subscribe to something that is higher than interpersonal loyalty, and that is loyalty loyalty to the word of God even when it's
15:40 really difficult. So, yeah, I thought that was strange. I don't think I can get on board with that.
15:46 Fair
15:46 enough. Hopefully, brother doesn't do that.
15:48 Yeah. Let's hope nobody goes we don't recommend drug related murder sprees.
15:52 We don't. That need it should be
15:53 said. Disavow.
15:54 I wasn't sure where you stood on that answer,
15:56 so thank you.
15:56 You know, people are asking questions. So so but when we when we we when we talk about the these disagreements with within the movement, though, let's let's keep them more within
16:08 okay. Not murder, but with, you know, foreign policy, disagreements about Israel Yeah. Disagreements about h 1 b's, disagreements about all of those things, health care. What do you, what
16:20 how do you navigate the these issues? You know, Charlie was a big proponent of something he you know, that we call prudence. And so how do you prudently choose to navigate the most contentious issues
16:32 of the conservative movement of our day?
16:35 Yeah. That's a good question. You know, I don't really talk that much about foreign policy, but if you listen to some of my critics, I am, like, the biggest Israel stan out there. Like, it really doesn't matter what
16:47 you say sometimes to some of these critics. They will say that, you know they'll just put they'll project what they think about you onto you no matter what you say. So you have to just ignore that. Okay? That's part of
16:58 prudence, and I'm sure that Charlie was really good at that, of ignoring the people that are going to say what they're going to say no matter what the truth is. And my only question is what is true? What's factually
17:08 true, but most importantly, what's biblically true? And if I really don't know the answer to that, then I don't always wade into those waters. And if I don't think it's a salvation issue, if I don't think it's an
17:19 existential issue, then I'm gonna do my best. Like I did an episode, for example, when Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz had their battle over Israel. And I just kind of navigated that. Here's what I think the Bible
17:31 says about Israel. Here's what I think as a Christian, and here's what I think our obligation is. And, you know, it kind of pleased no 1, but that's okay. And I don't have to
17:43 pretend. Here's what I never do. I never pretend that I'm an expert on something that I'm not an expert on. But if I know how to navigate something, if I feel like the word of God is clear on something, then I'm gonna go
17:54 all in. Because Charlie and I, we our last conversation on the podcast was about he loves to talk about woke pastors. That was, like, his favorite thing to ask me was about woke pastors.
18:03 He he had a special place for them in his In his heart. Contempt.
18:07 Yeah. In his contempt. Over there. Yes. And he we talked about this concept of pastors thinking that they're nicer than God. Just believing that they know
18:19 better than God, that they're wiser than God, that they're more compassionate than God. And he was like, that has to be the title of your next book. I'm good at this kind of thing. That needs to be the title, which is
18:28 probably true. But the truth is is that the most loving thing that we can do in all things is agree with God. And if I can find a way to agree with God when it comes to my politics or my cultural views, certainly my
18:40 theology, then I'm gonna do that as loudly as I can and try to help other people do that too.
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19:45 kirk dot com. But when it comes to the politics of it all, and I know that you tend to be faith forward politics downstream of of your faith, which is I think the proper order.
19:57 But we're talking about the politics of it all, the coalition building of it all, the Trump and JD Vance of it all. Does this sort of fight that, we're seeing play out in a public way, this family business? Because it's
20:07 different. Right? We all know that, like, you know, trans and kids is bad. Right? We all know that, like, these ones are the easy ones. It gets harder when it's when you're sort of so called shooting inside the tent. So
20:17 what do you make of that? Do you think this is healthy for the movement? Do you think this is just a sign of a healthy immune system and the antibodies fight? Do you think this is or do you think this is a sign of of a
20:28 lack of health? Do you think this is dysfunction? You
20:31 know what? It's hard to say exactly what my rule is in wading into these So we can just say, like, when it comes to the Ben and Megan disagreement, like,
20:43 I'm not probably going to wade in and say, well, like, I'm on this side. I'm on this side. Both of these people are my friends, and I don't see something within that disagreement that I'm like, Allie Stuckey has to speak
20:54 up on that or else she's a coward. Now I might if it comes to that or if things evolve, but when it came to this is members only, right? Yeah. Like, when it came to the Candace thing, I, you know, put that off for a
21:06 while for a lot of different reasons. I didn't wanna say anything. But then she started talking about Mikey, and that really bothered me. But then she also started speaking about things that I had personal knowledge
21:15 about, like how Turning Point events work and things like that. And I felt an obligation to my audience who was constantly asking me, what do you think about this? A lot of them watch her and love her. Of course, she's
21:25 super entertaining and popular. But they're like, what do you think about this? Well, can you give me some clarity on this? And I've always said clarity is kindness. And if I am purposely not offering clarity where I
21:35 know my audience needs it, then I am probably being cowardly. Which is why I ended up trying to speak up about that. So I guess it's case by Trying.
21:44 I think you succeeded in speaking up on that.
21:46 Well, I said what I said. And I totally stand by You
21:51 certainly did do that.
21:52 I totally stand by it. And yeah. Innuendo is not investigation. And that's where I stand.
22:00 I mean I I should've I shouldn't have interrupted you. Innuendo is not Yeah and I think it's an instance where, you know, I said this to somebody just moments ago that what I actually think is
22:11 happening in the movement is is 2 parallel tracks. I think there's an ideological debate that's unfolding. But I also think it's, you know, you have to understand how we got to this moment where we
22:23 had media that was contained for so long in this country inside the legacy box. Right? You know, we had CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and then eventually Fox, and and that was kind of
22:35 it. Right? And then it exploded out of that. We have independent creators. We have independent minded, YouTubers and streamers and podcasters, and they are getting a bigger and bigger bigger chunk of the pie.
22:47 But it's sort of the Wild West still. There's no established rules. Right? The Washington Post has to publish its editorial, controls and the standards and ethics that it's going to well, it you know, it's it's going to
22:58 abide by. Right? And same with New York Times, same with Fox News. In the world of online content creation, there are no standards or ethics, and you've seen sort of the platforms trying to impose those. There was
23:08 massive backlash against, censorship, against hate speech, whatever that is. And so what you're actually having is this debate is raging because there's not an agreement about how to
23:20 responsibly create content online, especially when your when your platforms become huge. Right? And there's certain people that think you need to apply certain standards and ethics to facts and innuendo. And there's
23:30 certain people that think, well, we're, you know, it's all kind of free game. So that I think is actually the thing that needs to settle. That is the the the sifting that is also happening underneath what you think is
23:41 this debate against he said, she said, or I'm friends with this person, so I'm not it's it's actually deeper than that. And it's it's a more structural problem, in my opinion. I don't know if you agree with that or not.
23:50 But Yeah. I think those are really good points. I think the issue that we have on the left and the right and now the right is that our disagreements have become very fundamental. We're asking questions like, what is an
24:00 American? I think it's a really good thing to debate. We have to define our terms. But we're also debating, What is truth? What is truth? How do we seek truth? What counts as truth? And it looks like we've got different
24:11 definitions, not only on the right and the left, but even within what is considered the right. And I do think the only way is to hammer that out and hash that out. But it'll be interesting to see how that shapes up.
24:23 Do you wanna do some q and a, or do you have a question?
24:24 No. No. No. You guys you said it great. I would just also add. I mean, under the Biden administration, we've kind of unified unified under, you know, if you would trip, you know, we would all go on social media and talk
24:36 about it at length. But I think now we've kind of been broken into like 3 factions is you have the administration who's really focused on just everything they're doing in the government, foreign policy, and everybody
24:48 who's really hyper analyzing that. And then you have the greater populist movement on the right who's still debating these ideas. And then you have to also remember that the audience who
24:59 likes to ask questions is these are people like even me, you know, who came out of California during, you know, the COVID lockdowns and my dad was gonna be arrested for opening his church. These
25:11 people have been lied to about the election. They've been lied to about COVID. And so they are looking for somebody to ask questions about everything. Yeah. And so there's an audience for that as well. Mhmm. So there's
25:22 we're all separated right now. Because we're all separated, there's tons of infighting because we don't have unified enemy right now. Yep. And so right now, we're just kinda focusing on fighting each other instead of
25:32 focusing on a unified enemy.
25:33 Yep. Governing's hard. Yeah. Clap for that. I totally agree.Show more
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