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A Surprise Christmas Gift for the Economy?
December 24, 2025 · 38 min
The third quarter economic news came in better than just about anyone expected, so why is there widespread sentiment that the economy is struggling? Former Trump economist Stephen Moore explores the "vibecession" and what the real situation is for ordinary Americans. Plus, Batya Ungar-Sargon reacts to AmFest, and Andrew makes a bid to overcome her skepticism about Vice President Vance. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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The third quarter economic news came in better than just about anyone expected, so why is there widespread sentiment that the economy is struggling? Former Trump economist Stephen Moore explores the "vibecession" and what the real situation is for ordinary Americans. Plus, Batya Ungar-Sargon reacts to AmFest, and Andrew makes a bid to overcome her skepticism about Vice President Vance. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. ...more Show the full description Show less The third quarter economic news came in better than just about anyone expected, so why is there widespread sentiment that the economy is struggling? Former Trump economist Stephen Moore explores the "vibecession" and what the real situation is for ordinary Americans. Plus, Batya Ungar-Sargon reacts to AmFest, and Andrew makes a bid to overcome her skepticism about Vice President Vance. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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0:03 My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro American student organization in the country fighting for the future of our republic. My call is to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the0:15 most important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna end up miserable. But if the most important thing is doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. You gotta stop sending your0:27 kids to college. You should get married as young as possible and have as many kids as possible. Go start at Turning Point USA College chapter. Go start at Turning Point USA High School chapter. Go find out how your0:36 church can get involved. Sign up and become an activist. I gave my life to the Lord in fifth grade. Most important decision I ever made in my life, and I encourage you to do the same. Here I am, Lord MuseMe.0:48 Buckle up, everybody. Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show is proudly sponsored by Preserve Gold, the1:00 leading gold and silver experts and the only precious metals company I recommend to my family, friends, and viewers.1:09 Alright. Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk show. Hour 2 is underway, and president Trump got an early Christmas present, with some amazing economic news that came out this morning. So here to unpack that1:21 with us is former Trump economic adviser, and now he's with Unleash Prosperity. That's, of course, Steven Moore, longtime guest on this show and good friend of Charlie's. Steven, welcome back to the show.1:33 On a scale of 1 to 10, how good was this news that broke this morning? 4.3, growth Q3 for GDP.1:43 It's a really good number. It's a solid number. I'd put it at 8 or a 9. Trump wants 5 percent growth. We're not quite there yet, although we could get there. Incidentally, once you get above 3.5 percent
1:54 economic growth, then the economy grows faster than the debt grows. And so the burden because I know everyone listening to the show is concerned about our massive debt. And 1 way of lowering that debt
2:06 is to grow our way out of it. So look, I'm super bullish on this U. S. Economy. It's been a really good 20 25. I don't care what the polls are showing, that all of the indicators show a very strong growth year.
2:18 And I think we're going to see a speed up in 20 26 because a lot of people come up to me on the street and say, hey, Steve Moore, I know you helped write that big, beautiful bill. Why aren't I seeing it? And I tell
2:29 people, well, because it hasn't taken effect yet for tens of millions of Americans. On January first, when they get their first paycheck for the month of January, they're gonna start to see less money withheld
2:40 from their paycheck, which is exactly what Americans wanna see.
2:44 Awesome. Okay. Well, let's play some of the the reactions from the news media here. 1 89.
2:49 Third quarter numbers, we're looking for 3.3. Zoom. Zoom. Zoom. 4.3 percent. 4.3 percent. That is a nice jump, and I know
3:01 many may question data gathering. But on the surface, this would be the strongest quarter going back to the third quarter of 20 23 when it was 4.7. This is
3:13 strong. 3.5 on consumption blows away the 2.7 we were expecting. That'll be the best since the last quarter of 24. On the price index, Here's some not good news.
3:25 3.8 percent on the price index. That's much higher than 2.7 we're looking for.
3:31 Alright. So we hit the first part, you know, where we we beat the GDP forecast by by over a point potentially. But what is he talking about with this price index, Steve?
3:40 Well, I'm not exactly sure, quite honestly, because we got a really blockbuster number on inflation earlier in the week or late last week, I guess it was, where the inflation rate fell to
3:52 2.7 percent. And if you look at the last look at the last couple of months, inflation is headed down to 2 percent or less. And as you know, the Fed target rate, which is the rate we should shoot at, is about 2
4:04 percent inflation. So we're headed in that direction. I I think that numbers just look overall really strong right now to me. I don't I don't quite understand
4:15 why you look at the opinion polls about half Americans think the economy is not doing well and even more so. And I don't get that because it is, you know, it is well. Now a lot of people just say it's doing poorly
4:26 because they hate Trump. Right? You know, you get 40 percent of Americans, no matter how good things are, they're gonna say things are bad. But, it's gonna be harder and harder, in my opinion, as we move into 20 26 and
4:37 these good numbers continue to roll in. It's harder for the left to sustain that narrative that it's not a good economy.
4:43 Yeah, I think they're calling it, the line I've seen is calling it the vibe session. It's the the numbers seem good, but the sense of among a lot of people is it's bad. Could it be specifically that the situation is very
4:55 tough for young people just entering the workforce? I know the the hiring for entry level jobs this year was very rough for people just out of college. Is that diverging more
5:07 than usual from the fate of other workers in the economy?
5:10 Well, let me say a couple things about that. I'm smiling when you say that because I graduated from college in late 19 82, so I'm a little fart. I'm a baby boomer. Just to put these things in perspective, when I
5:22 graduated from college, the inflation rate was not 3 percent, it was 9 percent. The unemployment rate was not 4 percent, it was
5:34 8 percent. And the mortgage rate was not 5 percent, it was like 14 percent. So for young people to say, oh, this isn't a very good economy. They can't put this in any kind of perspective. Now, I think the
5:46 1 thing that I would like to see improvement on is on the housing front. Because I have 2 sons that are in their early 30s, and they're doing fine with their careers, but they cannot afford to buy a house. And
5:58 that's a result of a lot of things we could get into it. But it is true that housing is very expensive right now.
6:04 So what is driving that then, Stephen, the housing market? If you talk to JD Vance, if you listen to what he's saying, he's saying it's a supply and demand issue. We've just been letting in too many people. The foreign
6:15 population's too high, illegals, that sort of thing. Is that really what's driving it? Are other core drivers of the housing affordability issue?
6:24 No. I think it's kind of scapegoating to say it's due to immigrants because actually immigrants build housing. They don't just don't just take up housing. I think the real issue here is a couple of things. 1 is states
6:35 and localities around the country have put in all sorts of restrictions on building new housing. And so if you don't have an increase in supply, then the price of something is going to go up. So we've got to get rid of
6:47 these restrictions. And in fact, in many of the blue cities and suburbs, you can't build new housing, and that's a big problem. The other thing that is going on here is that people are
6:59 locked into their homes. So we charge a capital gains tax if you sell your home and you make a if you buy if you sell the home for more than you bought it for. Well, that's almost all Americans because the value of
7:10 housing has been going up. And so what people do to avoid paying that very, very significant tax is they don't sell their home. And so people are locked into their houses. So what I propose to Donald Trump is get rid of
7:22 the capital gains tax on housing when it's sold. And if you do that, you'll have an increase in supply and prices will, come down.
7:31 Well, I gotta take issue just a little bit. You it is a supply and demand issue. And if we have more people in the country, then I get that a lot of the laborers that are building houses are immigrants. But I mean, they
7:42 are going to have to live somewhere. So there is a dynamic there that
7:46 Yeah. Been taking for the last 30 years, we've taken tens of millions of immigrants in, and housing has actually been low cost. So there's but look, I take your point. Biden let
7:58 in, we don't know exactly how many, a lot of illegal immigrants. I'm very pro legal immigration, but I'm very much against the illegal immigration. And and so I think you have a point there.
8:09 Yep. Fair enough. Alright. So let's this is Kevin Hassett. Charlie loved Kevin Hassett because it was like this breath of fresh air and optimism when he would come on the show. Let's hear what he's having to say, 1 93.
8:20 President Trump's trade agenda is working. And so we got about, you know, 1 and a half percent of the growth on 4.3 because we reduced the trade deficit. We went back and we looked at every Bloomberg
8:32 forecast for the main numbers since September and found that on average, we outperformed the forecast 94 percent of the time. So if 94 percent of Wall Street economists are getting the macro trends wrong,
8:44 they need to start to think about, hey. You know, maybe Trump's policies are actually way better than we thought. And maybe the the the fake news that says all these terrible things about Trump policies should reconsider
8:54 and, you know, get grab their pencil and redo their economics.
8:57 So, you know, Steven, it it begs the question. I have 2 questions for you. Why do they Why are these economists getting so much wrong? Is it just TDS? And then I want to talk about tariffs, you
9:09 know, because that seems to be the big hot button question. You could take it in whatever order you want, Steven.
9:13 So yeah, it's absolutely true that Trump derangement syndrome is a pathological disorder in this country. And it change people's perceptions
9:25 of what's happening in the economy, especially academics and professional economists who keep lowballing the numbers and they keep getting them wrong. My friend Kevin Hassett just said,
9:37 94 percent of the time they're wrong. Maybe they should start thinking that assessments and their models are completely off base. They got the inflation numbers wrong. They got the job numbers wrong. They got the trade
9:49 deficit numbers wrong. In fact, I'm writing a column on this right now as we speak about these professional economists probably should turn their PhDs back in and say, we don't know what we're talking about because they
10:00 are consistently wrong.
10:02 I think economists are simply struggling to catch up with the new paradigm, and they underestimate the amount of leverage America has as the market That's
10:10 good point.
10:11 That everybody wants to play into and sell into. But but, you know, Trump's flipping the economic models on their heads. President Trump walked into a catch
10:22 22 when taking office. Do nothing and America would be staring at a ticking debt bomb, the kind of crisis that could cripple our future. Instead, he's taken action with strong policies to slow the train and buy us some
10:33 time. But the effects of past administration spending are still working through the system, and experts predict dramatic price increases and market uncertainty. Trump is doing all he can, but no matter who's in office,
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11:23 Alright, Steven Moore, I gotta I gotta ask you a softball question. Well, it's not soft. It's a really hard question, actually. What is your favorite Christmas movie and why?
11:31 Oh, Love Actually is 1 of my favorite modern ones, and then and then I'd have to go with Miracle on 30 fourth Street.
11:37 Oh, wow. You just got
11:38 an email endorsing that 1.
11:41 Miracle on 30 fourth Street? You guys are so young, you probably never even seen it.
11:45 I no. They had the remake. The remake. Did a 96
11:48 No. No. You gotta
11:49 go out.
11:49 You gotta look at the old the old 1.
11:51 No. I've seen it. I've seen it. Might see I grew up in a house that was full of, like, John Wayne movies and World War 2 movies and the black and white.
11:58 We got 1. We got a, Caleb said their favorite was Muppets Christmas Carol. I I need to see that 1. I don't think I ever have.
12:05 See, I like the old school, like, the English. Like, the more English and, like, you know, gloomy the better. So, you know, let's let's just deal with this tariff question 1 last time here. Or Blake, you've got a email.
12:17 Right? Yeah.
12:17 No. Yeah. We've got we've got an email from someone, I think on the vibe session topic, why are people downbeat? And he says, it's food, Steven. Go to the grocery store and tell me the economy is great. Okay,
12:29 Biden. Oh, get in get in what what's your response to that?
12:33 Yeah? Yeah. No. Look. I get that all the time, even from my wife. My wife says, goes to the grocery store, she comes back really angry about the price of steak used to cost 12 dollars and now it's
12:45 20 dollars 25 dollars So I get it. I feel your pain folks. But, if you look overall at the economy by the way, beef prices are way up. Guess what? Pork chops are way down in price. There's a lot of things. Cell phones
12:56 are down in price. Airline airlines are down in price. Motels and hotels are down in price. Televisions are down in price. So overall, the inflation rate is headed in the right direction. But I
13:08 understand people are angry when they come back from the grocery store. And I can tell you this though, that we're going to start to see declining grocery prices as not declining prices, but this is the
13:20 other thing. Trump keeps saying I'm gonna bring prices down. What he meant to say is I'm gonna bring the rate of inflation down. We don't wanna see deflation. That's even worse for the economy than inflation. We wanna
13:30 stabilize the prices as as, my friend Steve Forbes would say and create a a sound stable dollar, and that's exactly what Trump is doing.
13:39 Well, we we are seeing energy prices drop.
13:42 Oh, yeah. Gasoline. Amazing.
13:44 I mean,
13:44 gas is under 2 dollars a gallon.
13:46 Yep, yeah. There's a, I think in Cincinnati it's at like 2 50 a gallon. Might be 1 of the lower parts of the country.
13:54 Kentucky is similar By the way, you know what state has the highest gas price?
13:58 California.
13:58 Yeah, by like 5 bucks a gallon there.
14:01 Well, yeah, it's a little lower than that. But it's very structural. California has you basically can only refine
14:10 a lot
14:10 of fuel for cars over here, and they won't build new refineries. And so, you know Exactly. It's a whole issue.
14:16 Yeah. There's a serious point but there's a serious point here. If you look at the 10 states that have the highest cost of living, 9 of them are blue states because liberal democrats
14:28 cause shortages of everything because of their stupid policies, high taxes, high regulations, and therefore the price rises. So if you want lower prices, folks, move to a red state like Florida, like Texas, like
14:40 Alabama, like Utah. That's where prices are low.
14:43 Yeah. Well, I mean, listen, I I I'm sympathetic to people that wanna stay in their home in the blue states. Right? We don't have people having to leave the the locusts that keep infiltrating. Blake, you had 1 more
14:54 question on on that, or did I miss an
14:56 Oh, no. No. No. It was just that 1 there. Oh, I guess we could ask him what he thinks of the on housing, what he thinks of, like, 50 year mortgage topics or whatever. There's there's various
15:04 things that come up. I'm not a big fan of that. I I think, you know, you know, stretching out the mortgage is is a is a is a dumb thing to do. Look. I know Trump's heart is in the right place on that. But
15:16 the best way to bring the hot price of housing down is to bring the mortgage rate down. And the way you bring the mortgage rate down is bringing the inflation rate down, which Trump is doing. Mortgage rates will continue
15:27 to fall as prices stabilize.
15:30 Yeah. Hey, real quick, we have 2 minutes left here, You've knew Charlie for a long time. When did you first meet Charlie Kirk?
15:38 So, I mean, I was thinking about that the other day and I met him way before you guys did. I think he was 18 or 19 years old, really just getting started. And my friend Gary Rabine, who was very close to Charlie, had
15:50 an event with Charlie. And I think he was just starting, I think, as I said, just about 18 or 19 years old. And I remember who is this naughty nose kid? He was very
16:02 ambitious. And I don't say that in a negative way, in a positive way. He knew what he wanted to do. He knew he wanted to be a leader. And when he started doing this, reading out loud or reading Larry Kudlow, reading
16:11 Steve Moore, educating himself. And by the way, you can educate yourself way more by reading the stuff that we write than the crap that they teach in college on economics, because most of it is wrong. That's the
16:23 reason 94 percent of the professional economists got it wrong. But I just saw his evolution over the next 11 or 12 years. And every time I saw him, he just got better and
16:35 better and better and better. And boy, I mean, it's just such a sad thing because I really believe Charlie Kirk was on path to someday be president of the United States. I really believe that.
16:47 And you guys, I'll never 1 of my kind of lasting memories of this show with Charlie at the helm was every time you'd come on, Steven, we'd have this this whole topic prepped, and it would be, you know,
16:59 Charlie, we're gonna talk about this, and this economic new number came in, and what Trump's gonna do or whatever. And then you guys would just like, talk about Chicago the whole time.
17:08 Well, he and I both love the Chicago. By the way, how about those bears? They pulled off a miracle in soldiers field on, this weekend, so we're proud of it.
17:17 I know the same night, Steven, it was, the the bears won in that overtime game against the packers, and the ducks
17:24 to watch Oh
17:26 my god. Well,
17:28 you know what? That, yeah, it really was a miracle. The the odds of the bears winning that game with 2 minutes left was 1 in 201 in 200.
17:37 Miracles really can't happen.
17:39 It's a Christmas miracle. Steven Moore, thank you from Unleash Prosperity.
17:43 Thank you,
17:43 my friend. Merry Christmas.
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18:55 Alright. Next up here is Bhatia Ungar Sargon. She is the host of Bhatia with an exclamation mark on News Nation. Bhatia, you have we were talking on the phone. You you've
19:07 been watching everything from that happened at AmFest from afar. And you you you know, you were so complimentary to me and to Turning Point about the event
19:18 because I
19:19 think maybe you were surprised by it a little bit. You were a
19:22 little nervous, a little trepidation going in when you saw the speaker list. Then tell us what your 30000 foot view, what was the vibe for you watching from afar?
19:32 First of all, thank you so much for having me, Andrew. I have to say I'm unexpectedly getting a little bit emotional because it's my first time on since Charlie was I didn't
19:34 and
19:41 realize, yeah.
19:44 He meant so much to me. Actually, there's a woman on my street whose car has, we live in Brooklyn, South Brooklyn. So it's, you know, not, you know, hipster Brooklyn, but her car is just festooned with
19:57 stickers about Charlie. And I was literally staking out the car because I didn't know whose it belonged to and I just wanted to thank her. And the first time I saw her getting out of the car, just ran over to her and we
20:08 just had the most amazing conversation about what he meant to this country. And so thank you so much for having me. I think about him every single I that the America Fest
20:20 you put on was incredible, incredible. It was so important because you allowed the debate to be aired. And
20:32 I think we get really attached to our positions in this country And then we get really attached to the idea that we have to convince people that we're right and we
20:44 forget that the most important thing is I think what Charlie really stood for, which was the view that more unites us than divides us as Americans. And that you have to have the conversation, you have to trust your
20:55 fellow Americans, and you have to bring that love that he had even to people that don't agree with you. I think like that is the thing that we really lost was
21:06 that spectacle of him going to those college campuses and talking to people whose views I know he thought were bad and wrong and dangerous, but you could still see the love that he
21:18 brought to them. And that's my New Year's resolution is to be more like that even especially when I'm talking about the things that matter to me the most, and I just felt that
21:30 you really you and Erica made that happen. You aired the debate and everybody could see it for themselves. And because this is the greatest country on earth and
21:42 the American people are the most incredible people on planet Earth. It reminded me to just trust that process of seeing the debate and hearing the debate and listening to both
21:53 sides. So I just I I watched every minute of it. I was glued to it, and I'm so proud of you. And just, again, like to see Charlie's legacy being carried on in
22:05 such a fulsome way was really moving to me and really powerful.
22:09 Wow. Well, thank you. Thank you for saying that, Bhatia. It means a lot. And I know Blake's in studio there in Phoenix. You know, we both sort of watched everything play out. We saw the online chatter. And,
22:21 you know, the elephant in the room is sort of this foreign policy debate, the Israel debate, but also this this debate. Ben kind of kicked things off on night 1, calling out some of the
22:33 people that he had grievances with, then they ended up taking the stage later, some of them at least, and kind of throwing it back. So it it like you said it was this this debate, this airing of the family business as
22:45 Erica called it. But then we we led up to Blake feel free if you want to chime in on that on that point before I move on because I do have a question for Batya.
22:55 No, no, let's get into it. Let's get into it.
22:57 Alright, so you on your show had some some words for, I mean, directed at J. D. Vance, and I wanna give you a chance to kind of talk about that. Let's go ahead and play 2 0 9.
23:09 For those already anointing the vice president as the GOP nominee for 20 28, you might wanna slow your role. Leadership is about having principles and standing up for them no matter the blowback,
23:21 not being afraid of offending actual Nazis.
23:25 Alright. So that seems to be the cliff the cliff. I see you smiling there. So I am obviously team JD. I think he's an amazing leader. I thought his speech at AmFest was morally clear.
23:37 He condemned anti Semitism. He condemned racism, DEI, anti white racism, anti Asian racism. And it felt like to me being there, it was kinda like dad's in the room. Settle
23:49 down, kids. Here's the North Star. Here's where we're going. You you and we by the way, we certainly are not trying to anoint JD Vance anything. It was sort of this if you're in turning point circles, Charlie
24:01 was talking about that we have JD's back 1000 percent, and he hopes he runs. And if he runs, we've got his back. You know? So it was kind of this thing that's been said out loud 48 times. I think Erica was just kind of
24:11 like, let's just say it out loud. You know? Let's just do it here. But from your perspective, why did you say what you said? And, you know, what is it gonna take to kind of get you to come around on the JD Vance
24:23 conversation?
24:24 I want to believe. I'm so honored to be able to have this conversation with you. Like you have no idea what it means to me to be here with you in the room On so many issues I think JD is
24:36 spot on you know my top issues I would say is, I think what President Trump represented, which was you know being pro worker pro labor. The dignity of working class
24:48 Americans is like my number 1 issue which entails you know getting to immigration 0 right away for as long as it takes you know in order to make sure that Americans have access to the
24:59 American dream before we start giving it to everybody else. On foreign policy. I'm aware that I guess the 50 percent of the turning point straw poll was like I see Israel as a
25:11 great ally among great allies are interests are frequently aligned but not always sometimes the Israelis I think overstep and I've been you know glad to see president Trump have a really strong
25:22 idea of when our interests are aligned and when they diverge and choosing American interests when he needs to, you know, on all of that stuff I feel like you know very much on the same page certainly
25:34 don't want to go back to the like rhino pre Trump version of the GOP. I think that would be a huge mistake and a huge betrayal of the American working class which is like where my allegiances lie as
25:46 a Jewish American, but I will say that I think there have been podcasters out there who have been saying things that make me as an American and
25:58 as a Jew feel like I'm questioning whether this movement wants me. For example, platforming people who think that Hitler was not the villain of World War
26:10 II. That's just gonna make every Jewish person like somebody a podcaster agreeing with that point of view, way that Tucker Carlson seemed to is gonna make every Jewish person feel like, wait a
26:22 minute, is that actually a question? And so when JD says, I'm close to Tucker Carlson, I disagree with him about a lot of things, but I'm not gonna be clear about what those things are. That leaves people
26:33 thinking well you know is that 1
26:36 Yeah
26:36 of the things or
26:37 and Blake I want to
26:38 get you in on this conversation because you obviously have a really long relationship with Tucker, but I want to show that you mentioned the straw poll, go ahead and throw 178 up on the screen. It shows
26:50 53.4 percent consider Israel an ally, 33.3 percent our top ally, only 13.3 percent say that Israel is not an ally of the United States. So
27:02 despite all of the hand ringing, all the loud voices online, we still are at 87 percent of AmFest attendees consider Israel
27:13 either our top ally or an ally. And, you know, maybe what you're seeing in the shift in the dialogue is more to, you know, 1 ally of many as opposed to our top ally. Maybe that's the shift you've you've seen in the
27:25 Trump era. Blake, I want I wanna give you a chance to respond because of your relationship
27:30 with your Yeah. A few things. I I totally understand where you're coming through, specifically on some of that. Yeah, the the Hitler stuff, that's popped up more. I I will say, I've been hearing stuff like
27:42 that honestly my entire adult life, it bubbles up. I think there is an element where some people find it interesting in a transgressive sense or something, and I'd want to say I hope it has no
27:54 modern political manifestations, but it does it does pop up with a degree that if I were a Jewish American, I think I would find it disturbing as more disturbing as you do. I don't get why some people think in
28:06 this particular political moment, relitigating an 80 year old war's morality is of great importance, but some people like that. I'm I will say I'm
28:17 similar to
28:18 the position Can jump in for a second?
28:20 Sure. Sure. Sure.
28:21 Like, when when you first of all, I I think it's not just Jewish Americans. I think every American should feel worried about this question of whether Hitler was truly the Yeah. A little bit. But but but mean, beyond
28:31 that, when you say you're like, I don't know why somebody would bring that up. But, you know, like, what it that I know why they would bring it up because they they you know what I'm saying? Like
28:42 That's fair. That's fair. There's there is it's unfortunate. I I do think that pattern is real for certainly at least some of the people doing it. Big picture, I recognize
28:54 Vice President Vance and everyone in this coalition. We have a tough challenge. We asked we were doing 1 of our exclusives interviews, I think it was when we had Meghan I think it was actually when we had Michael KnowlesShow more
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