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A Weekend of Tragedy
December 15, 2025 · 37 min
The show opens with a reaction to the weekend's appalling news, with Islamist mass murder in Australia, a shooting at Brown University possibly targeting one of the school's few Republicans, and the grisly slaying of Rob Reiner and his wife by their own son. Plus, ballistics expert Gary Melton describes retracing Tyler Robinson's steps at UVU and how it helps debunk misconceptions about the shooting. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Series The Charlie Kirk Show December 15, 2025 · 37 min · The Charlie Kirk Show
The show opens with a reaction to the weekend's appalling news, with Islamist mass murder in Australia, a shooting at Brown University possibly targeting one of the school's few Republicans, and the grisly slaying of Rob Reiner and his wife by their own son. Plus, ballistics expert Gary Melton describes retracing Tyler Robinson's steps at UVU and how it helps debunk misconceptions about the shooting. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. ...more Show the full description Show less The show opens with a reaction to the weekend's appalling news, with Islamist mass murder in Australia, a shooting at Brown University possibly targeting one of the school's few Republicans, and the grisly slaying of Rob Reiner and his wife by their own son. Plus, ballistics expert Gary Melton describes retracing Tyler Robinson's steps at UVU and how it helps debunk misconceptions about the shooting. Watch every episode ad-free on members.charliekirk.com! Get new merch at charliekirkstore.com!Support the show: http://www.charliekirk.com/supportSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Charlie Kirk (born October 14, 1993) is an American conservative activist, author, and political commentator. He is the founder and president of Turning Point
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1:52 after this meeting. We'll see what unfolds. So we will see what unfolds. We are prepped, ready, either way. So that's basically where we're gonna leave that discussion.
2:04 And, you know we're actually gonna have Paramount Tactical, Gary Melton, on the show at the half halfway point in this hour. We're gonna just talk about some of the
2:13 We're have 2 different guests I believe
2:14 just talking about Viva Viva Viva, Fry is gonna come on and talk about why he believes Tyler is the shooter. He's going to go through some of the evidence and he's also going
2:26 to talk about his own little sort of spats and squabbles on social media and then we are gonna like I said, Gary Melton from Paramount Tactical, ballistics expert. He's also visited the campus
2:38 of UVU since and and retraced the steps of Tyler Robinson. All that and more will happen today, and then we're gonna get into how Charlie was kind of a modern day It's a Wonderful Life.
2:48 Yeah. Yeah. It's a it's an interesting pitch. It's a it's a friend of Chris Rufo reached out and said, this friend of mine has an interesting idea.
2:56 No. It's a good take. Yeah. It's good. No.
2:58 As soon
2:58 as she told us to be, I was like, you know, he's pretty right. Yeah. But we got a lot of news to go over in the meantime. And, you know, obviously, we had the Bondi Beach terrorism, which is just horrendous. We're gonna
3:09 get into that just in a second. We had Rob Reiner was apparently stabbed to death along with his wife, Michelle, who, it appears that his son Nick who's had mental problems and drug abuse problems,
3:21 homelessness problems, he's he's now in custody. And of course, you know, we had this Brown shooting where it's we're hearing reports that a
3:32 Republican, campus Republican, well she's dead, we know that, and it's a really terrible story, but there is also reports that she may have been targeted. So let's get into all of these stories because there we
3:44 gotta we gotta go quick here. Let's hit Rob Reiner because I think you and I both have some some appealing feelings about that.
3:51 Yeah. That that broke last night out of nowhere. Very horrifying. Just, you know, it began with that police were at Reiner's home in the Los Angeles area, and
4:03 they found 2 bodies there that matched their ages. And then they were they were stabbed to death, and it just sort of dribbled out over the course of the evening. And it now appears the suspicion is that
4:14 both Rob and his wife Michelle were stabbed to death by their son, who I believe had a history of Their son. Some addictions and issues. And so I imagine we'll learn more about how
4:26 exactly that happened.
4:27 It's a pretty gruesome way to go.
4:29 Very unthinkably terrible. No 1 should suffer that way. And it caused us to look back, and we saw things, and I mean, among other
4:41 things, Rob was on he went on the air shortly after Charlie was shot, and he actually said quite kind things
4:47 Yeah. About him. He said about Erica. About Erica too?
4:50 Yes. Do we have that ready to go?
4:53 If not, we'll get it. But the point is the we need to look at that as a good example, right, Of how to respond in these situations and unfortunately,
5:06 you know, with Charlie's death, gruesome, same and you know, I instantly saw the parallels and I felt terrible for this family. I felt terrible for Rob
5:17 Reiner, his wife Michelle and you know honestly I just my heart fell with compassion so instantly I went and I I said as much on social media. I think that
5:29 tweet has 2100000.0 engagements now. A lot of people retweeted it and yeah my heart goes out to their family. I have no idea the details of what was going on with their son Nick.
5:42 Senseless tragedy, terrible to see. And by the way, Rob Reiner's movie career, it should be the guy had incredible depth. Yeah. He gave into TDS and Trump derangements
5:51 and of He a
5:53 left Actually, he was Quite
5:54 a quite a sharp 1. He he got really in on anti Russia militarism. He he said all the he believed all the, you know, Trump's doing treason Yeah. With Russia stuff. Let's, like okay.
6:05 It's Terrible politics.
6:06 It's a free country.
6:08 Yeah.
6:09 It is a free country. And he was allowed to believe what he want. That doesn't mean it's okay for him to get stabbed to death by his son. And and it's disgusting if anyone is celebrating this.
6:18 Yeah. No. It it really is. And, you know, guys like James Wood, who's a conservative, he came out and he said, you know, that he had worked with Rob and they were able to maintain their friendship even though they are on
6:30 diametrically opposed polar opposites of the political spectrum. And yeah, I mean, it's just but here's some of his movies. This is Spinal Tap, Stand By Me, Princess
6:41 Bride, When Harry Met Sally, A Few Good Men. I mean, this guy had range. And say what you will about his politics, the guy made some absolute classics of American cinema in the twentieth
6:53 century.
6:53 Yeah. And, you know, we should acknowledge there's an elephant in the room. President Trump, unfortunately, posted on Truth Social this morning. He said, a a very sad thing happened last night
7:05 in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away together with his wife, Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his
7:16 massive, unyielding, and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump Derangement Syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have driven people crazy by his
7:27 raging obsession with president Donald J. Trump. And he goes on for a bit longer. I'll be frank. I think the president should delete that.
7:36 Yeah. I I, I understand that sentiment. He's getting a lot of blowback. Actually, Jake Tapper, quote, tweeted my tweet with Trump's truth to contrast them. I mean, listen, I wasn't tweeting what I
7:47 tweeted, you know, with trying to make some large statement. I just my heart went out to him. What can I say? So I I do think it's fair, though, as soon as we have this clip loaded. 1
7:59 41, this is, Rob Reiner's reaction to, Charlie.
8:03 When you first heard about the murder of Charlie Kirk, what was your immediate gut reaction to it?
8:11 Well,
8:12 horror. Absolute horror. And I unfortunately saw the video of it, and it's it's in dis it's
8:23 beyond belief, what happened to him, and that should never happen to anybody. I don't care what your political beliefs are. That's not acceptable. That's not a solution
8:35 to to solving problems. And I felt like what his wife said at the the service that the memorial they had was exactly right. And,
8:47 Toly, I believe, you know, I'm I'm Jewish, but I I believe in the teachings of Jesus, and I believe in doing to others, and I believe in forgiveness. And what she said to me
8:58 was beautiful and absolutely, you know, she she forgave his his assassin, and I think that that is admirable.
9:11 Yeah. And, I mean, really, that's the only correct response in this moment.
9:15 That is that is the only correct response, especially in it's whenever anyone dies, but especially when it's a heinous murder that no 1 deserves and, you know, there's a vast tragedy
9:27 that goes into that.
9:29 And he was also well known as Meathead on what was that?
9:33 All in the Family, which that was such a big deal in the seventies Yeah. And it's more forgotten today.
9:38 But he was great. I went and watched some of clips last night, and they were they were hilarious. There was this, oh, he was the dad in Wolf of Wall Street? I didn't realize that. Anyways, Rob Reiner, I I just think it's
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10:59 Here's a tweet from JD Vance paying his respects to Ella Cook. She was the vice president of the Brown University College Republicans. He says this beautiful young girl was 1 of the
11:11 murdered students at Brown University. It takes a special courage to lead an organization of conservatives on a left wing campus, on a far left campus, you could say. And I'm very sorry our country has lost 1 of its
11:22 bright young stars. Eternal rest grant unto her, oh Lord. That's from Vice President J. D. Vance. Terrible tragedy. Everything that I've seen about this young woman said that
11:34 she was brave, she was kind, she was helpful, she would throw in and help, you know, lend a hand on anything going on on campus, especially with the College Republicans. So our heart goes out to Ella Cook and her
11:46 family and another terrible sort of tragedy over the weekend. They do not have a suspect at this time. They have not released video evidence. There's some reporting that that would suggest
11:58 that she was targeted Blake. So they had a suspect, person of interest, they ended up releasing that that person of interest which is just like a whole crazy How do you I just it's unbelievable. Cameras everywhere.
12:08 Yeah. In modern society that you could shoot that many people and get away and not have good leads.
12:13 About 10 were shot, 2 were killed. Unfortunately, Ella is 1 of those who were killed and there unfortunately there was another shooting that happened obviously in Bondi Beach,
12:25 Australia. 15 were killed as some Jewish celebrants were enjoying a Hanukkah celebration and it was right right there on the beach. It there's a whole bunch of crazy stuff with
12:37 this mean,
12:38 everything about it is exactly what Charlie warned about so often with bringing Islam into the West. So this was obviously of migrant origin,
12:50 and they targeted a Jewish community, and it was a father and son team, they they like lived in 1000000 dollar house but they still just go for radical Islam so
13:01 they thrived in this country that welcomed them and they decide to go and murder a bunch of Jews and the they go they go raid the house and the mother she's
13:13 I saw on GB news she was saying, you know, her son was a good boy. He was a good boy.
13:18 He was a good boy.
13:19 Was a good boy. You could throw that
13:22 That's he was not a good boy, dear
13:24 dear mom.
13:25 He's not. He was not a good boy. He was actually a a terrible monster. It killed a bunch of innocent people.
13:30 He'd been investigated.
13:31 He'd been investigated because he was tied to an Islamic cell with the of ISIS. And somehow he was not detained, apprehended. His family was allowed to get guns. Like,
13:43 the whole thing reeks to high heaven here. I don't know how anybody in the western world could be tied to an Islamic, you know, ISIS cell and, first of all, be allowed to roam
13:54 free. Actually, they should have been deported immediately. We should take heed in the United States. Secondly, the fact that Australia, which has extremely restrictive gun laws, the father
14:06 apparently had 6 guns legally owned. So the whole country cracks down on law law abiding people having rights. Yeah. And and yet
14:13 everything about this is just it's outrageous because this is Australia. Australia is this big, almost entirely empty continent filled with natural resources. They get they're they're settled
14:25 by the English, the greatest country creators in the world. Yeah. Australia has basically no reason to have any problems whatsoever. They could basically live they could you could
14:37 all everyone could live like a king in Australia. And what they do is because they have this left wing brain virus, like, why do you need any Islamic migration into Australia? What country has ever been
14:49 made better by saying, yeah, let's bring in more Islamic migration to this society? Has it made England better? No. Has it made Germany better?
14:57 No. Yeah and there was this, I mean you gotta give credit where it's due, there was a hero that ran in, I believe we have that footage, grabbed the gun and
15:09 basically subdued it looks like the father and ended up getting shot a couple times in the arm by the son who was perched up on the bridge. So his name was I think Ahmed
15:21 or something, Ahmed. So it's actually another Muslim. He's been called a traitor online by his fellow Oh boy.
15:28 By the
15:28 way there was already video of people celebrating in Sydney, other Muslims celebrating the attack. It's eerily similar to what happened on October seventh where, you know, Jews get attacked and then, you know, people
15:39 Muslims around the world celebrate. So pretty sick stuff. And, you know, I think we should play a cut from from Charlie here. Yeah. 1 15. We have just enough time. 1 15.
15:51 Spiritual battle is coming to the West, and the enemies are wokeism or Marxism combining with Islamism to go after what we call the American way of life. And the American way of life is very
16:02 simple. I wanna be able to get married, Buy a home. Have kids. Allow them to ride their bike till the sun goes down. Send them to a good school. Have a low crime neighborhood. Not to have my kid
16:14 be taught the lesbian, gay, transgender garbage in their school. While also while also not having them have
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17:39 at charlie kirk dot com. Alright. Without further ado, Gary Milton, owner and lead instructor of Paramount Tactical. You can follow him on X, which is how I discovered him. He's been doing great
17:51 work just breaking down all the dynamics of the case. I think people's intrigue in the dynamics of the case is reaching an all time high actually because we we first saw Tyler Robinson in court last week. So
18:03 Gary, welcome to the show. It's an honor to have you.
18:05 Hey, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
18:07 So just a little bit on your background so people understand why you know so much about this topic. Gary Milton is a former U. S. Army Special Forces Green Beret. You served as a weapon sergeant and sniper team
18:18 leader completing 4 combat tours. Following your military service, Gary, you held a position of unit chief and special tactics instructor for a federal agency. Today Gary is the owner and lead instructor of
18:30 Paramount Tactical Solutions, a company dedicated to professional firearms and tactical training. You work full time doing that. So Gary, you also have a great YouTube and you're a great Twitter follower. So you know
18:42 your stuff. And I wanted to have you on because, you know, I refuse to go back to Utah like anytime soon. I'll just be honest. It's no offense. I just can't bring myself to do it. But you
18:54 actually went to the campus and you retraced the steps of the alleged assassin. We have to say that in a sort of journalistic sense, not in any other way. I believe he's the
19:06 man who pulled the trigger. Gary, tell us what you what you saw when you visited UVU.
19:12 Yeah. So, you know, 1 of the things that I wanted to do while I was there at the time, there was a lot of different, I don't know, conspiracies. We had the palm gun. We had different shooters in different locations. And
19:23 what I thought was really important to do was go there, number 1, to eyewitnesses. I talked to multiple eyewitnesses while I was there. You know, they had very, very similar stories. The other thing I did while I was
19:34 there was actually I actually flew a drone. And what we did was a 3 d map survey of the campus. And we have since built a 3 d model of that that's interactive. People can download it for
19:45 free. It's on my X account. And that way people can kind of see what is possible, what has lines of sight. And I knew just from what people were saying that some of these theories that they were
19:57 putting out just weren't possible. I knew there was no line of sight. Then on top of that, just wanted to get some hard ground truth and see what was going on. And, you know, this this case was important to me. You know,
20:08 I was a big fan of Charlie's, felt personal. And I think, you know, if you're gonna get to the truth, need to get there. You need to talk to some people and you need to see the ground truth. And, you know, that's kind of
20:19 what we did.
20:20 Yeah. And there's a video here, Gary. I'm just going to set you, show it really quick so people can see how easy it ultimately was to get on this rooftop access 0.1 hundred 33.
20:30 Alright, folks. So here's the stairs that go to the roof. Wow.
20:42 This wall is about maybe 3 feet tall. Alright. So right there is the shooting position. It's about
20:54 200 feet away from there. You don't need to be Spider Man. As a matter of fact, you don't even need arms. You can literally get up there if you didn't have arms.
21:03 Wow. That's a good that's a good visual. That's a good visual. So just from your knowledge across the spectrum and your own visits, do you feel there's any
21:14 misconceptions that you're seeing repeated over and over and over again that have spread really far that, in your opinion, are pretty easily debunked or opposed?
21:25 Yeah, you know, there's been a cycle of people taking very normal things or maybe even slightly abnormal and then turning them into suspicious items. Right? 1 of the things that really struck me
21:37 on the ground there was exactly how easy this entire thing was. You know, before I went there, 1 of the things that was being portrayed was like this was, you know, some big conspiracy. It's very complex. You need
21:48 professional hitmen. It's 140 yards. It's so far. All these things. Now I knew the distances was nothing, especially for a scoped rifle. I mean, is, you know, my my 8 year old son was going to
22:00 courses with us shooting 1200 yards. It's hard. And then once you see the layout of the campus, you know, looking at it from a security standpoint, unfortunately, it was a real challenge.
22:12 Once the information was out that this was the location, and then on top of that, once you look at the UVU Courtyard, it is channelized. There's only it's obvious where any sort
22:24 of speaker is going to be. So the thing that shocked me the most was how easy this was. And then once we get into coming back and then hearing things like, hey, you know what? You need to be Spider
22:36 Man, or people think that you have to have some sort of special access or that you have to climb up to the roof, when in reality, you walk right up to the roof, the pathway that goes to in between buildings is level with
22:47 the roof. And the only thing that separates that walkway from the roof is, you know, a 3 foot guardrail that you just step over and now you're, you have access. And the other thing is it's very
22:59 obvious to me if you just look at Google Maps, if you're trying to plan this operation. You know, it's simple. It's not that hard and it's not that complicated. The thing is we have all these kids out there
23:11 playing Call of Duty and, you know, they're very tactically minded. And, you know, there was nothing, especially once I went there, talked to people on the ground, saw the campus, a lot
23:22 of what wasn't clear to me was crystal clear. You know, especially by the time that we got the charging documents out, they laid out the evidence, everything made sense. It really did.
23:34 And, you know, they're they continue to push a lot of disinformation, and there's a lot of reasons behind that. But, you know, that's what I wanted to do. Look. I don't want to be lied to by the government, but I don't
23:44 wanna be lied to by the Internet either. And I think it's really important for us to make sure that we're pushing the truth and people are being honest about this. And, you know, I think that's 1 of the biggest problems
23:54 is is the omission. You know, a lot of people pushing these different conspiracy theories and and and exploiting Charlie's death for their own means, they're not telling you this information. Like,
24:06 why haven't these people gone to this location and looked at this? Why aren't they showing people how easy it is to actually access the roof? And if people saw what I saw, a lot of this stuff would make a lot
24:18 more sense to them, and they wouldn't believe a lot of these other artificial narratives that people are pushing.
24:25 Well and let me just because when you I saw this video of yours, Gary. It reminded me of the charging document. So this is straight from the charging document. It says Robinson's mother explained that over the last year
24:36 or so Robinson had become more political and started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro gay and trans rights oriented. She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male, who was
24:47 transitioning genders. This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father who have very different political views. In 1 conversation before the shooting, Robinson
24:56 mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU which Robinson said was a quote stupid venue for the event. Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. And when you see how easy
25:08 that rooftop access is, you start to kind of put 1 and 1 together and you realize that Robinson had a plan that he was going to ultimately take advantage of and he obviously knew how easy it was to get up to that
25:20 rooftop, which is terrifying.
25:23 It really is. And look, 1 of the other things that's being pushed around for a long time was that, you know, TPUSA, both the local chapter and you guys, didn't advertise this event till
25:35 a couple days prior to. Now the insinuation there is that that doesn't give Tyler enough time to plan for this. And what we found out with a little bit of, I don't know, 20, not even 5 minutes
25:47 of Googling and and looking. Look. Yeah. You guys had already put out on your website as early as August 20 seventh. So we have at least almost a full 2 weeks prior to this that not only the time of the
25:59 event, but the location, the exact location of the UVU Courtyard. So when you have over 10 days of planning and it sounds like that Tyler already was familiar with the campus to begin
26:10 with, like a lot of the mystery of this starts to go out the window and it starts to really conform with what is exactly being proposed by the state of Utah and the FBI in the charging documents.
26:22 Yeah, and we can attest, know, Andrew Seifer, who's our head of field, you know, Charlie would sometimes throw these events out, you know, 7, 10 days in advance. If something opened up in his schedule, he would be able
26:34 to do these outdoor events a pretty quick turn. And so those those whole that that whole theory kind of goes out the window. You you mentioned drone. Explain to us the the
26:46 conspiracy theories about drones, Gary.
26:48 Yeah. So, you know, early on, Frank Turk talked about that on the way there that, you know, he actually was looking at Charlie's phone and that he saw drone footage from the event.
27:00 Now I had talked to with that in mind, I was number 1, I went to UVU and I actually put the drone up. We were gonna do the the survey. Immediately, we were, law enforcement came up
27:12 and said, hey. Look. We need you to take down that drone. Now my drone pilot had already made all the necessary steps with the FFA to make sure that we could do that. And I explained to the law enforcement officer, hey.
27:22 Look. You guys don't control this airspace. He's like, well, we got policies. You have to do this, and we're not gonna sit there and argue with them. Right? So we ended up grounding the drone. We went and jumped through
27:33 some hoops. We were trying to get some documents done. Long story short, what we ended up having to do was leave campus. We flew the drone. We were off campus. We flew the drone. We got the survey. So that kind of
27:44 reinforced other people saying, Brian Harpole specifically saying like, hey, we couldn't get it. We couldn't get permission to get a drone up in the air. And of course, took that, what Frank said at the beginning and
27:55 said, hey, this is clear indication of lying and and or a conspiracy. Well, what I found out was the picture that was being pushed around saying, hey. This is proof that there was
28:07 drone footage was actually it was very clear to me once I saw that picture. It is a wide angle shot of the crowd from
28:14 And let's throw that up. Yeah. Let's throw that up. That's act this is actually the I think the images guys I sent them to. Yeah. This is actually there was a a walkway or a bridge, elevated that that was just that was
28:26 just from our events team that was setting up that event. They went up there to, as they always did, to show Charlie the crowd size. So they took those images. Yeah.
28:33 I I understand why Frank thought this was a drone. You know? I but, again, I I think it almost shows that the lack of conspiracy because you guys aren't sitting in there, you know, micromanaging what people say. It's
28:44 just different people's perspectives, and there isn't some sort of collusion.
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29:59 Gary, I just want to give you a chance, just, you know, explain your background, how people can follow you.
30:07 Number 1, like I said, 9 11 happened a couple days later. I was in a recruiting station, ended up with the initial push into Iraq. I was a sniper team leader during that tour that came back, went special
30:18 operations, did 3 more combat tours, multiple training tours, Ended up working as a special tactics instructor for a federal agency. And long story short, I ended up I wanted to work for myself.
30:30 So I opened up Paramount Tactical Solutions. We offer training to civilians, military and law enforcement, and, you know, from basic to advanced, whether it's handgun. We kinda specialize. We're known for long range. So
30:42 you can find us at Paramount Tactical dot com. And on top of that, you can also go check out our YouTube channel, Paramount Tactical, and as well as our X account, Instagram. Look for Paramount Tactical.
30:54 You'll find us in there.
30:55 Yeah. Love that.
30:56 Glad to help you.Show more
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