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In this special backstage episode of The Built Different Podcast, recorded at the AACC 2025 United World Conference, Dr. Zach Clinton sits down with a dear friend, Lysa TerKeurst — bestselling author, speaker, and Founder & President of Proverbs 31 Ministries. With over 7,000 Christian counselors, coaches, clinicians,

pastors, and ministry leaders gathered in Nashville from around the world, this year’s conference has been a powerful time of worship, equipping, and encouragement. In this deeply personal conversation, Lysa opens up about one of the most difficult chapters of her life: walking through an unwanted divorce. As her newest book, Surviving an Unwanted Divorce, prepares to release on November 11th, Lysa shares with honesty and biblical clarity how God met her in the middle of heartbreak. Together, Dr. Zach and Lysa talk through: the journey of trusting God in seasons you never expected, what it looked like for Lysa to lead Proverbs 31 Ministries while navigating private pain, how Scripture speaks to and protects women in the context of divorce, common phrases that can unintentionally hurt, and how to truly support someone walking through divorce, God’s heart for those in unwanted divorce, and the hope available for the next step forward. This conversation is both biblically rich and emotionally honest, offering practical guidance, spiritual truth, and hope for anyone walking through — or walking with someone through — the pain of unwanted divorce.   Websites: Visit Lysa’s Website: https://lysaterkeurst.com/  Pre-Order Lysa’s New Book, Surviving an Unwanted Divorce: https://www.p31bookstore.com/collections/lysa-terkeurst-books-and-bible-studies/products/surviving-an-unwanted-divorce  Proverbs 31 Ministries: https://proverbs31.org/  Other Books by Lysa TerKeurst: https://www.p31bookstore.com/collections/lysa-terkeurst-books-and-bible-studies  Receive Christ-Centered Care through Christian Care Connect: https://christiancareconnect.com/   Discover more Christian podcasts at lifeaudio.com and inquire about advertising opportunities at lifeaudio.com/contact-us.

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