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"The Ahnest Podcast" | Ché Ahn on Miracles, Healing, and Why the Church Stopped Believing
September 24, 2026 · 36 min
Are miracles still for today? Gabe sits down with his dad, Ché Ahn, to explore why much of the Church stopped expecting the supernatural. Ché makes the biblical case, traces how belief eroded through history, and shares stories: four healed of stage four cancer, a man freed from his cane, Louie's severed-finger testimony, and a backyard pigeon miracle. Part two coming soon.
Series The Ahnest Podcast September 24, 2026 · 36 min · The Ahnest Podcast
Are miracles still for today? Gabe sits down with his dad, Ché Ahn, to explore why much of the Church stopped expecting the supernatural. Ché makes the biblical case, traces how belief eroded through history, and shares stories: four healed of stage four cancer, a man freed from his cane, Louie's severed-finger testimony, and a backyard pigeon miracle. Part two coming soon. ...more Show the full description Show less Are miracles still for today? Gabe sits down with his dad, Ché Ahn, to explore why much of the Church stopped expecting the supernatural. Ché makes the biblical case, traces how belief eroded through history, and shares stories: four healed of stage four cancer, a man freed from his cane, Louie's severed-finger testimony, and a backyard pigeon miracle. Part two coming soon.
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In this video 0:00 The Importance of Family and Generational Faith7:34 Miracles Are for Today Because Jesus Is Alive15:10 Why Some Believe Miracles Have Ceased17:14 Extraordinary Testimonies of Healing and Salvation22:56 A Boy, a BB Gun, and a Miraculous Bird HealingComments No comments yet. Start the conversation.
The Importance of Family and Generational Faith 0:00 You started a trend. Now everywhere I go, at least, I hear, you know, Papa Lou, Papa Bill. If you have the 1st name John, that's the only part that's where it gets a little tricky because then people think you're the0:10 pizza guy.0:11 So the devil will do everything possible from getting people saved. But once they get saved, he will try to dumb down the power of God.0:20 Son, we have to put this bird out of its misery. I have to drown this bird. I said, Mom, 1st of all, that is ridiculous. Secondly, if if we should put him out of his misery, let me just shoot it again. Hey,0:32 everyone. Welcome to the Honest Podcast. Our main goal here is to reach and impact as many people as possible. So please like, subscribe, but most importantly, share this with as many people as you0:43 can who you think it'll encourage. We greatly appreciate it. And now on to the show.1:12 Papa Che?1:14 My beloved son. Yes. I'm well pleased.1:17 So many people around the world call you Papa Che, but you're really my Papa Che.1:20 Yes. And It's amazing because it happened when justice was 2. And spontaneously around the world people started talking and calling me Papa Che and I said this, I didn't like it. This made me sound old. Yeah, it makes me
1:31 so old. I'm trying to stay young. And then God reminded me, not only you're a dad, but you're a grandfather now. And I said, oh, this must be a prophetic thing and it really has because it really caught on and now people
1:43 at church call me Papa J, then call me Pastor J.
1:46 People at church, people around the world, but you're all your grandkids, at least the ones you could see.
1:51 Yeah, they all call me Papa.
1:52 They call you Papa.
1:53 Right. Yeah. And all the spiritual, children around the world call me Papa.
1:58 Well, you don't know this. Well, maybe you do, but you started a trend. Now everywhere I go at least I hear Papa Lou, Papa Bill. I think the only person who like if you have the 1st name
2:10 John, that's the only part that's where it gets a little tricky because then people think you're the pizza guy.
2:14 Yeah. Right.
2:15 But other than that other than that, I think it's great because there's and and now we have mama Sue and and and everything. So
2:22 Well, I I think it's, the sign that we're in in Malachi chapter 4 or 5, 6 period. We covered that that he's gonna send the prophet Elijah before the great and terrible day of the Lord, And he's gonna turn the hearts of
2:33 the fathers to the children, hearts of the children to the fathers, lest I strike the land with a curse. In other words, there's a prophetic invitation Elijah was a revival, is you could have a revival by the family
2:45 being united and obviously to the children with God the Father ultimately, but, or we could be cursed. And honestly, I feel like California's so cursed because,
2:58 of the brokenness of people's lives and broken marriage. And you see just the single parent, marriage. And you see just the single parent raising kids, and we incentivize that with the welfare system. A lot of people
3:09 don't know when, president Johnson passed the, war against poverty in 64, 19 64, and the whole welfare system got set up, it incentivized families
3:21 to be broken because if you're married and you have children, you need some help. You could get it, but it's harder. But if you are a single mom, you're on welfare, you get food stamp and,
3:33 it causes the person not to seek marriage.
3:37 It perpetuates the problem. It perpetuates the problem.
3:39 Or if you're married and you're desperate, then you get a divorce so that you could get a government handout. So it's really been a demise of the family because up to the fifties, you see hardly any
3:51 divorce. It was 1 out of 8 marriages in the fifties. And now it's basically 5 out of, 9 marriages will end up in divorce. And so it is like 55 percent now.
4:02 There's definitely a an onslaught of attack on the family, which we know is is really the 1st unit that got established on Earth, you know, with Adam and Eve and then he said be fruitful and multiply.
4:15 And it's interesting that you're bringing up family and God being the God of generations, turning the hearts of the father to his children. Our last guest was talking about her brokenness in growing up in a family and
4:26 her gender dysphoria and how there was so much confusion because even the parents didn't know how to handle that. But but when I was preparing for this conversation with you and I told you this
4:38 that I was gonna let you know while the cameras are rolling what we were gonna talk about as opposed to previous, you know, conversation or having a conversation ahead of time. So the the topic that I
4:49 felt like would be great to discuss here at the table today is the topic of miracles. Okay. I just got that in my spirit as I was preparing.
4:58 I love it.
4:59 I love the word miracle because in the biblical sense, it can really mean so many things. It could be a healing. It could be a financial breakthrough. It could be an answer to prayer, as we're
5:11 talking about family for a prodigal to come home or a marriage to be restored. But I it could also be a sign and a wonder. And so I was wondering if we could have this conversation about miracles
5:23 by 1st and we'll talk about some examples because you've been in the healing ministry and the miracle ministry ever since pretty much you got saved. So So there's a whole slew of miracles you can totally recount. So I
5:35 want you to think even right now some of the most extraordinary extraordinary miracles you've witnessed. I'll share a little bit of my own. And that at the end, I felt like and by the way, this will be this will be a
5:47 2 parter. Okay, so we'll have this conversation to start out and then we'll have a 2nd episode to follow-up with this 1. But at the end of the 2nd episode, I was wondering if you would
5:59 be open just to ask the Holy Spirit for a word of knowledge for those who are listening. Give those word of knowledge and then we can pray for those miracles to happen. But 1st of all, let's just talk about the topic of
6:09 miracles because there are some circles and there are some people today who don't believe that miracles or feelings or signs and wonders are for today. Right? We can talk about cessationism a
6:21 little bit, but why do you believe in your opinion, that miracles are for today, but also why do you think there is a struggle for some people to believe
6:32 Right.
6:32 That miracles are for today, which to me is a very foreign concept.
6:36 Right. Well, 1st of all, because the Bible is true and Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is the 1 who heals. He's the 1 that multiplied the bread and fed the multitudes.
6:48 He's the 1 that defied physics by walking on the water. And so if he's the same and he's doing the miracles through his spirit in us, then that's why
7:08 if you believe in me. And that's the key word is you have to have if you believe in me. And that's the key word is you have to have faith in him to do that. And then he goes, and because I'm going to the father. And what
7:19 is That's really important because the next chapter 14, 15, 16, he talks about the holy spirit and I'll send you the helper. So what he's saying is, is that
7:30 just like Jesus chose to be 100 percent God and yet 100 percent man, he didn't do the miracles as God. He chose not to. He received the holy spirit.
Miracles Are for Today Because Jesus Is Alive
7:42 And that's why when he was baptized, John the Baptist said, you need to baptize me. And he said, no, let it be to fulfill all righteousness. What the righteousness
7:54 is, it means to do God's will in that context. I have to do God's will because I have to set an example of going through water baptism, even though I have never sinned, because I'm gonna ask my
8:06 disciples to be baptized because they are sinners. And they're gonna repent of their sins. They're gonna be washed. And then I'm gonna receive the power of the Holy Spirit. The spirit came upon him and remained on him as
8:17 a dove. And so it was a manifestation of, the the kind of Shalom peace that when Noah's ark, when he landed, a dove brought an olive
8:29 branch. And so the point I'm trying to make is is that God says the kingdom of God is not meat or drink. It's not physical. So this defies physics. But
8:41 it's righteousness. It's supernatural conversion. You're right with God. It's what Jesus did on the cross. Peace, the supernatural peace will come upon you. And joy, which is different from
8:53 happiness, is a fruit of the spirit. And then he concludes by saying, in the Holy Spirit. So Romans 14 17 is the real key verse. So he received the Spirit and then he started to do
9:04 miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit. And then he said to the disciples, after he rose from the dead, who died for our sins, rose from the dead before he ascended to heaven, the right hand
9:16 of the Father, he said, I want you to wait in Jerusalem until you're endued with this same power that I received at my water baptism. And then you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. And that word
9:28 power is Greek word dunamis. We get the word dynamite. It's so explosive. And you'll be my witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria to the ends of the earth, which is really comforting because he never
9:40 intended for us to fulfill the great commission without the power of the Holy Spirit. It's impossible to do it. We need the power. We need the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit.
9:49 Everything you're saying, I completely believe in and I was raised in, that he's the same yesterday today and forever that we shall receive power that we're called to do even greater works than these But why
10:01 why are there why is there a group of people and I don't know if this is a big group or a big,
10:06 you know, it is a huge group.
10:09 Doctrine shift that don't believe. What's their reason or excuse that the gifts are not for today or that healing is not for today? What's their basis for that?
10:18 I'm just curious. We have a demonic foe, Satan, and he's real. Jesus was in the wilderness. Interesting enough, after he received the power of the Holy Spirit,
10:30 both in Matthew 4 and Luke 4 talks about how he went into the wilderness and the devil appeared to him and gave him 3 temptations. Now, according to scripture, he was an
10:42 archangel with Michael and Gabriel, your name, and he fell because of pride. He was cast out and he wanted to be a god. He wanted to be worshiped like god. His name
10:53 was Lucifer. And so he took 0.333 of the angels. He convinced 0.333 of the angels to rebel against god and they were cast out. Now, god could have just wiped them out just with 1 look. But
11:05 in the very beginning, he wanted man to do it. So that's why he said to be fruitful, multiply. You are just quoting from Genesis 1 28. But the next word is subdue. And that Hebrew
11:17 word, gavaz means subdue the enemy. He wanted he expected Adam and Eve to finish what he began when he cast them to the earth to finish their job on the earth. So we know they were in
11:29 paradise, right? It was a small geographic location in the Middle East. It was heaven on earth. It was perfect. Perfect weather, no rain, perfect, temperature. And, of course, all the food,
11:41 all the water, all the And and also the mineral wealth was just enormous. There was there's gold. There was, onyx, which our building is known for in our
11:52 ambassador auditorium. And so the list goes on, but he said, I want you to subdue the devil. And then I want you to rule now as king
12:04 over the earth, but I want you to multiply and spread because you're gonna now take dominion over the whole earth. God never intended for the garden to be in just a specific small location. He expected the whole earth to
12:15 be filled with his presence. That's why after man sinned in Numbers 14 20 says, God says this, As surely as I live, which is, of course, he's eternal. He's never gonna die. And so he's trying to
12:27 make a point, the whole earth will be filled with my glory. And this is after the Exodus. And so now they're going into the promised land, but unfortunately, they rebelled
12:39 and they had sinned. And it seems like, you know, again, starting from ground 0 again, but he says, no, as surely as I live, the whole earth will be filled with my glory because he was prophesying
12:51 his death, his resurrection, and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, which is the manifest presence of God, the glory of God.
12:58 But you said, as surely as I live and he's eternal.
13:01 Yeah, he's eternal. He never had a beginning and it never has an end. He's not out there.
13:06 So forever. Basically forever and ever.
13:09 So he's trying to make a point that this is a done deal. It's gonna happen and God doesn't lie. And so he said, I'm gonna fill the earth with my glory. Even though man is full of sin
13:21 because he had the cross in mind and that's the only thing. His death and his resurrection is really important to show that everything he said, including how the death on the cross would take away
13:33 the sins of the world is true. The efficacy of the cross is true because he rose from the dead proving the greatest miracle in the history of humanity was the resurrection of Jesus
13:45 Christ. That stamps all the miracles that will that happened beforehand, but then you have the the the miracle of miracles, the resurrection. And then from that point on,
13:56 we have the new kingdom age. We call it the new covenant or the new Testament period of walking this out now and seeing his glory fulfilled.
14:07 And the resurrection also validates that Jesus is God. Absolutely. Right.
14:12 Because Everything he did is that is true.
14:14 Because people believe, you know, even, if you read the book of Quran, Jesus was a prophet. Right? He existed. He was a man. But to believe that Jesus is Lord, that Jesus is God
14:26 was really validated or proven through the resurrection.
14:29 Right? So this is where the Quran differs from the the Bible because they will say he was a prophet and he was, but they don't believe he died for his sins and he did not rise from the dead. And the truth is, is that
14:41 Muhammad is still in the grave. He's dead. Buddha is in his grave. He's dead. But Jesus is the only 1 that rose from the dead. And he's alive today. And he is alive. He's the
14:53 alpha and omega. He's sitting right now watching us, and we're actually we're seated with him in the heavenly places.
14:58 But I'm trying to make the connection because if Jesus is eternal, if he died and he rose again, he's living to he's alive today. Are you saying that's why miracles are for today? Because he's
Why Some Believe Miracles Have Ceased
15:10 alive today? But then why are there people who don't believe that miracles are for today? Again, I'm trying to process with you.
15:17 So we were talking about the devil. So the devil will do everything possible from getting people saved. But once they get saved, he will try to dumb down the power of God and the reality of
15:29 God and he will do everything possible. And so he's a liar and the father of liars, it says in John chapter 8 44 or something like that. And so what he will do is he will lie about the Bible
15:40 because he knows it's the most powerful. It's the inerrant. There's no error in it. It's infallible. It is true. And he will dumb it down. And so what happened is that in the
15:52 age of reason, in the 1800s, 1700s going into 1800s, they started to talk about again, with the French revolution, there is no God and it's just science and the priests are
16:04 all corrupt. And you have the French revolution that killed thousands of priests. It was a anti Christ spirit that came into society. And, and they began
16:16 to just focus on science and rationale. And then you have Darwin coming out in the 1800s and saying that we're all a byproduct of evolution. It's not God
16:28 who created us. All of a sudden this lie comes in, he's a liar and father of lies and deceives people and they begin to think, of course, there's no miracles. You know, I mean, who's gonna defy gravity?
16:40 Who can walk on water? How could you multiply bread? Because you only have so much of it and it's just physics. You only have so much of it. You can't multiply it. And so a miracle is going contrary to
16:52 the natural law. That's what a miracle is. So natural law like gravity or natural law of physics is going to contradict it. And so, for example, limb growing out.
17:04 There's no basis for that. And that reminds me of a miracle that you and I witnessed. And this is about Louie, who was a member of our church with his daughter, Amber, that you were overseeing when she was
Extraordinary Testimonies of Healing and Salvation
17:15 in the youth group. And, I remember he came on a Sunday morning, all bandaged up in his sling. And I thought he had broken his wrist or something, but in our church, church, we pray for
17:27 the sick every every week. Just we believe in miracles. We believe in miracles. We've seen cancer healed. In fact, I was mom and I were just thinking we have seen 4 people since 20 22 get
17:39 healed stage 4 cancer and the 5th 1 who's almost healed of it, the cancer's shrinking. So we can't declare that he's fully healed yet, but just, you know, it's Moses, this guy
17:51 has been nurtured for 18 years and just amazing, amazing testimony. He's walking without a cane. He was lunch like this. He's walking with his head up.
18:01 Which just goes to show you that some miracles are gradual. Yes. That's right. Right? That's right. Jesus healed the blind person, but when he opened his eyes or his eyes started to adjust, he said, the
18:13 people look like trees. And so then Jesus prayed again. A little side note that sometimes miracles are immediate, but sometimes they're also gradual.
18:21 Absolutely. And so At the end of the day, it's supernatural. Right.
18:24 And going
18:25 did it.
18:25 And going back to Louie, it was more of like a 2 week miracle, right? Or something like that.
18:29 Well, it was after the soft story. Was over a month because what happened was is that, my you know, I didn't wanna assume. I didn't say, hey, what happened to your wrist? I said, Louie, how could I pray for you? And he
18:41 said, pastor, my daughter and I were trimming the hedges and she was using the hedge clipper. And by accident, she cut off my finger and I thought I could get it sewed back on. So I grabbed it. We
18:53 bounced to the emergency room and they said This
18:55 is the oddest podcast.
18:56 We're full disclosure. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
18:58 He saw his thumb in the air.
19:00 He got the finger completely severed in the 1st 0, his ankle. His finger. Okay. Yeah. So he grabbed the rest of the finger, went to the emergency room and asked if they could sew it back and they smiled at him and said,
19:11 no, we'll sew you up. And, and, and you're just gonna have a stone for the rest of everybody.
19:17 Because at that point, depending on where you sever, the nerves are damaged, the mobility is no longer there, the bone is Is severed. Severed. Right.
19:26 Everything's severed. The skin, everything's But
19:27 he was hoping, hey, just just saw it back up.
19:29 Yeah. Right. I said, doctors can do that.
19:32 Right. Right.
19:33 But he didn't know, he just, you know, thought, okay, go to emergency room and get sewn up. And so he said, Pastor, I believe that God wants to grow my finger out.
19:42 Wait, just, just, I'm trying to understand. He had a, at this point he had a
19:46 stoke. It was all bandaged up.
19:47 It was healing. Yeah, it was
19:49 healing, just that week. So it wasn't like totally healed at all. But he had a bandage and he still had to put his arm in a sling just to keep it up from, he was in a lot of pain. And so he
20:01 said, Pastor, I believe that God wants to grow my finger out. And I was so blessed by his faith. And I said to him, Louie, if you believe God wants to grow your finger out as your pastor, I'm gonna stand with you.
20:11 I love how you just said, We believe in miracles. And in this moment, you're like, if you believe, I will continue. Oh, yeah.
20:17 I But Well, you
20:19 know, we're humans.
20:20 Yeah. And and, again, we got to take our mind
20:22 off. Bizarre, extraordinary, request.
20:26 I had never seen anything like that happen. I've loved miracles, but until you see it, then, you know
20:31 I've seen the cold get healed. The finger,
20:34 Yeah. Right. Exactly. And so I said, I'm gonna so I just pray to him. I didn't touch him, obviously, because he's still wounded. I just said, father, I pray that Louie's finger will grow back out in Jesus' name. And
20:46 that was it. He left, the next person came up and prayed. I don't remember. But, but the next month, and it was resurrection Sunday, was Easter Sunday. I'll never
20:58 forget it because we had a huge crowd and a huge lineup of people who wanted ministry and you're standing patiently in line. And I told you, he had his hand behind
21:07 his back.
21:07 He didn't wanna show me until I, and I actually forgot because you're a man of faith, right? I mean, I just didn't think it was gonna
21:16 happen. Right.
21:17 Right.
21:17 To be
21:18 honest with you. So it just was out of my mind. There was a picture of the radio.
21:21 Yeah.
21:21 Yeah. So I just said, hey, Louie, how can I pray for you? Like I asked everyone else. He said, pastor, remember when you prayed for my finger last month? I was cut off. I said, Yeah, what happened? He said, Look, pastor,
21:32 it grew out with a brand new fingernail. I kid you not. And that led to his daughter who was absolutely condemned for cutting off her dad's pain.
21:42 She was under so much shame.
21:43 She was under so much shame and you took advantage when you said And why don't you tell what happened with her?
21:49 Of course, it was an accident, right? But when you do something like that With her dad's figure. Yeah, you feel so much shame. But because she witnessed the miracle of her father's finger growing back
22:01 including the nail. Right. Right?
22:03 Right.
22:04 This is not sewn back or all of a sudden the doctors found a way to do no. His finger literally grew out of the stump that was left.
22:11 It started to grow slowly.
22:12 And within a month He saw yeah.
22:14 And he waited until it showed
22:15 He showed you the grown out finger with the nail, but because she witnessed that, she turned her heart to the Lord and of course the greatest miracle in this story as much
22:26 as the
22:27 miracle of the finger was amazing was her salvation.
22:30 Absolutely.
22:31 Healing of her heart. So she got it. That was that to this day is still 1 of the most bizarre and extraordinary miracles. 1 of the ones and I've shared this publicly and it's a funny story, but it's a true story.
22:42 Probably the most miraculous, breakthrough or miraculous sign and wonder I've ever witnessed has to do with when I was a little kid. Yes. And you know the story and you're a
22:54 part of the story, but for those who are listening who haven't heard it, I'm just gonna share it again. It's my story. And it's a true story. Okay? We're on record. We're filming this as GodShow more
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