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From the World Series to the White House Blake Treinen - Pt1
June 19, 2026 · 58 min
This week, Matthew and Anthony are honored to welcome back LA Dodgers Pitcher and now 2x World Series Champion, Blake Treinen, back on the podcast! Listen to hear about Blake’s journey to winning another World Series title, his recent trip to the White House to meet President Trump, and how you can affect your sphere of influence.
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June 19, 2026 · 58 min · Faith and the Pursuit of Excellence in Sports
This week, Matthew and Anthony are honored to welcome back LA Dodgers Pitcher and now 2x World Series Champion, Blake Treinen, back on the podcast! Listen to hear about Blake’s journey to winning another World Series title, his recent trip to the White House to meet President Trump, and how you can affect your sphere of influence. ...more Show the full description Show less This week, Matthew and Anthony are honored to welcome back LA Dodgers Pitcher and now 2x World Series Champion, Blake Treinen, back on the podcast! Listen to hear about Blake’s journey to winning another World Series title, his recent trip to the White House to meet President Trump, and how you can affect your sphere of influence.
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In this video 0:00 Tokyo Trip, Team Talk & Friendly Wager29:00 Faith Journey, Prayers & Spiritual Warfare46:30 Dad's Call, Overcoming Doubt & New Pitch59:00 Comfort Zones, Teammate Ministry & NLDS Drama1:11:00 Bullpen Glue, Playoff Glory & Harvest of Obedience
Tokyo Trip, Team Talk & Friendly Wager 0:29 What's going on? Game changers across the world. Matthew here with my good buddy, Anthony, and, we are, back with another great episode today. I'm hyped for this 1, man. Me too, man. It's,0:41 it's been a long time coming, that we needed to have him back on. He's been on the show before, but a lot has happened since then. So much. And, I'm excited for it. But first,0:53 man, things good in your world. I mean, staying busy as always. Right?0:57 Oh, hey. Always grinding. Right? You know, there's always something new coming in. There's a lot of exciting opportunities that we have coming up, and, Matt and I will be sharing with some of those information things1:08 with you guys later on. But I'm just excited at what God is doing. Yeah. Just with, you know, the nation, there's a lot that's happening that God's doing. Mhmm. And people would just have heaven's1:19 perspective. Look through heaven's eyes. They could see the good that's coming out of it. But just even what's happening, you know, with game changers and just some of the doors that are opening, it's a clear indicator1:31 that God is desiring there to be a move right now outside the 4 walls. And, you know, our special guest today, he'll he'll be a testament of that too.1:39 Hundred percent. You know, it's it's about getting outside the 4 walls of the church and being the church in other areas of society in this world. Right? We have to go out and change the game in different areas. And so I
1:50 think, yeah, today's guest just perfectly, attest to that, and we'll definitely have a lot to say to that. So this time, I wanna get ready to introduce a 20 18 all star,
2:03 2 time world series champion. Recently just won another world series here in 20 24, defeating the New York Yankees and had 2 wins in that
2:15 World Series, by the way. Let's welcome LA Dodgers pitcher, Blake Trianon, back to the program. What's up, my man?
2:23 Hey, guys. How's it going?
2:24 Doing good, man.
2:25 Quite the intro. You know? That's pretty that's pretty humbling. Thanks for having me on.
2:30 Hey. No problem. So, today is obviously game day, which I know we were talking off air. You said, obviously, in baseball, every day is game day. I mean, you guys play 162. So yeah. But, you know, I gotta apologize in
2:42 advance. I am wearing Chicago Cubs gear because I am a Chicago Cubs fan, have been since I was a little kid. But I got your Dodger jersey underneath. And so we we we worked this out,
2:54 and I said, here's the thing. Tonight, you you know, Yamamoto's pitching against the Cubs. So what I want is the Cubs to hit a bomb every single at bat unless you are on the mound. So if you come in and you're
3:05 relieving or closing the game out, hey. I'm all cheering. You know, the Cubs stuff comes off and, you know, we'll be cheering for you to mow the rest of the lineup down like you did in Tokyo, when you
3:17 played the Cubs in the opening series. But
3:21 playing if they hit a home run every at bat, I'm probably not throwing.
3:24 Yeah. That's fair.
3:25 Or I'm throwing because it's it's so bad that I have we have to cover innings. Yeah. Both of which I hope never happened.
3:34 Yeah.
3:35 And I will say you can you can wear your your Cubs jacket. That's fine. I'm just glad that the Dodgers is closer to your heart. It's the layer closest to your heart. So it means
3:43 a lot
3:43 it means a lot to me.
3:44 My dad was he told you this, is a massive Dodgers fan and has been since he was a kid. I mean, he grew up watching the, you know, 19 88, World Series and was a
3:56 huge, huge Dodgers fan back then. And, so I also got another guy that decided to join in today and to crash this show. This is my uncle, pastor Shane Hare, and, he is
4:08 also a Cubs fan, but rocking your jersey. So
4:11 With with the Cubs shirt underneath. So he's actually got the Cubs closer to his heart. Heart. Yeah. Wow. Guys. Learning a lot.
4:18 But but but we got you covered. Got you covered here.
4:21 We're we're rooting for you
4:22 to do really well tonight, as well. And, obviously, all the time.
4:27 You guys are a hot team right now.
4:29 Well, I mean, we are, but we I know you're coming up runs. Getting ready to come up against the, buzz saw that is the Dodgers, so we'll see how that goes.
4:37 Yeah. Like, game's gotta play out. So I mean I actually have 1 of my college teammates. Only 2 Jackrabbits in the history of SDSU have made it to the big leagues, and 1 of them has been doing it as long as I have, and
4:47 he's with the Cubs this year. Caleb Thilbar. So it's pretty cool that we both got a chance to open up our season in Japan together. We got our our pictures taken on the field at home plate, and, it really it's a really
4:59 neat thing. So, yeah, it'll it'll be fun. He's in town. I'm gonna meet up with breakfast for him tomorrow.
5:04 Wow. That's awesome. Yeah. So you guys obviously opened against the Cubs in Tokyo. What was that experience like? That 2 game series you had to fly out to Tokyo, then come all the way back to LA for the
5:16 opening series that you guys had against Detroit. You actually ended up getting, in the opening night, the save that night. What was that all experience just from going to, you
5:28 know, Tokyo? I mean, starting off the season. We'll get into, obviously, last season, but what about that start this year? Crazy.
5:35 I've been to Japan once, and I've gone to the to Korea last year. And it's a it's a tough transition to have to go 11 to 13 hours 1 way. I'm technically playing in the future.
5:47 You know?
5:48 Yeah. I
5:50 think that's a that's a weird thing to grasp. And and then bouncing back is always the hardest part. There's jet lag. We got to Japan, and I think it was maybe 6 o'clock or 8
6:02 o'clock at night. We go to the field for a workout, and we were supposed to sleep the first few hours on the plane. I couldn't fall asleep. My dad and I were just playing this word crunch game on our phones, seeing who
6:13 can get the farthest through this app. And, when I got there, I was so tired. We get to the field. I'm stretching and, like, trying to do some, like, oblique stretches on the ground. Next thing you know, I'm waking up
6:24 with, like, rubber pellets on my face because I fell asleep on the turf. No worries. All of us were so gassed. It took, like, legit 3 days that that I think the day before we played the Cubs, I finally got rid of my jet
6:35 lag, and and then we had to get on the plane 2 days later. So to go back to LA, and it's it's a it's a grind. It's not easy, trying to get adjusted and, then coming back and facing Detroit, which I think we're seeing how
6:47 great Detroit is as a team. Yeah. Like, that's a really good team.
6:50 Yeah.
6:50 And their lineup is constructed very well. Being able to flip lefties, righties, and all having quality of bats, it's not an easy team. And I thought we played extremely well out the gates to give us an opportunity not
7:02 to have a slow start. And, and our talent sometimes takes over and then our, you know, our ability to focus is is what'll what'll keep us as great as we wanna be. So Yeah. Yeah. Overall, really
7:14 good start. Kind of a a slough this last road trip, but but, yeah, I'm really happy with where we're at.
7:19 Yeah. It seems like it's been really good. And, you know, obviously, I'm excited for this weekend series. Obviously, the Cubs are 96 runs and, you know, by far leading. I mean, think the Yankees are right behind them at
7:30 82 with this the next closest. And so the Cubs by far have the most hits and, runs in baseball right now. But, I mean, again, you guys with your lineup, your pitching rotation,
7:42 like, it's just ridiculous the amount of talent that is on your team. I mean, just go down the list from, you know, you and Yamamoto, and then I mean, there's so many other guys even in the rotation and in the bullpen.
7:54 I mean, we got Ohtani, obviously, as a hitter, Mookie Betts. I mean, just go down the list of how many guys are Yeah.
8:01 But I mean, you know, with both teams are kinda going through some some of their injuries right now. You know? We got we got Snell on the shelf. You guys have Steele who's supposed to start against us. He's on the shelf.
8:11 Yep. Freddie Freddie's, you know, on the IL and, you know, we we're we're not even a full unit right now, and, so we're still happy to get creative a little bit. And then, you know, the Cubs,
8:23 I've I thought as soon as they made the trade for Tucker, and then moving some pieces around, Nico Horner is a phenomenal player. Yeah. Dansby Swanson's really solid.
8:33 Yeah.
8:34 Your your new catcher is a stud. So, I mean, you guys have you guys have got Ian Happ has been doing it for a long time now and and very consistent. He's a instant threat with power. You guys have a really good lineup.
8:45 And, and there's only, like, 5 teams, I think, that are in a category, of of competing for Yep. Like, a a realistic World
8:56 Series. And I think I think the Cubs are in that. And and they're they're not a team that people should sleep on. I think I think they, they actually run away with that division. And there's there's some good teams in
9:08 that division, but I think I think they end up running away and winning by, like, 7 or 8 games this year.
9:12 Yeah. I'm I'm hoping. I mean, I know.
9:14 Me too.
9:15 Shane, I mean, you're obviously probably hoping too because, I mean, council, we thought him coming in was just gonna bring something last year, and it takes a year to obviously adjust. But, I mean, Shane, we've been
9:25 Cubs fans going back for years upon years. I mean, I was a big Derrick Lee fan as a kid. Like, that was my guy. Yeah. Like, Derrick
9:31 Lee player.
9:32 Ramos Ramirez years, like and then the Dodgers swept the Cubs that year.
9:36 I go all the way back to Ryan Sandberg, Sean Dunston, Mark Grace, you know, back in that era. My my mom used to watch every game every day on
9:47 WGN, and so I got into it as a kid, 8, 9, 10 year old, and just loved watching, you know, the games and hooked on the Cubs because that's what we could get where we where I was at in Iowa.
9:59 So
10:00 Yeah.
10:01 It's, you know Yeah. That's good. That's good. A lot of baseball. So we need
10:05 to make this bet right now. And I think this is this is a because, I mean, let's be honest. This is the time. I know you guys
10:11 play about baseball. You're you're trying to trap me. I'm not supposed to bet on baseball, and I'm
10:15 not going betting. It's a friendly it's a friendly thing between us. If you register here's what we're gonna do. If you register a win or a save within any of the 3 games this this weekend against
10:27 my Cubs and past Shane's Cubs, then we gotta send you, like, some free game changer stuff. You know? I know there's a hat actually waiting at Dodger Stadium for you when you get
10:36 to the clubhouse tonight.
10:37 But I
10:37 would have wore it today. I would have wore it. I just I got to thinking this morning. I was like, I bet he got it there in time just for this interview, and I I just didn't pick it up yesterday. In fact, when I was in
10:46 there, it wasn't even in my locker because I think the shipment came as I was leaving. So it came, like, a couple hours later. So I I'll have it in my locker today.
10:53 Yeah. So what we'll do is maybe, like, 1 of our hoodies or something, we'll, we'll mail something out to you. You get, like, a win or a safe.
11:01 I think the more realistic thing is a hold. You know, like, because
11:04 Okay.
11:05 We've got there's, I mean, there's a small chance to save them in the ninth.
11:09 Win a save
11:09 or a hold. Well, that's just based on that's just based on usage from other guys.
11:12 Fair.
11:13 So, like, I I know that I'll I'll throw the ninth from time to time. It's just worked out to where I have 2. Tanner's really our guy that we're gonna try to lean on, I think, in the ninth because, I mean, he's a a freak.
11:23 So, I think when we get if I mean, you could say that. It makes it even harder. But, you know, for me, I think whatever benefits from,
11:35 like, having a 0 in the moment they call me in, which is usually a hold Yeah. Because you don't really get you can get a blown save in the seventh, but you can't get a save in the seventh if you come out of the game. No.
11:44 It's kind of a broken system. It is. Yeah. So I think unless it's a true safe situation, you shouldn't really get tagged for a blown save if, you know, you give up if you give up a run and Yeah. The game is all of a
11:56 sudden tied.
11:56 Fair enough.
11:57 But
11:58 but, I mean, you could at least. I mean, let's say you get 1 of those ninth inning, strikeouts that wins the game or something. You could just totally, like, as you're you you always do that thing, like, you point up at
12:09 the Lord, you know, and you I think it sound
12:11 I tried to
12:12 read your lips. It looks like you say thank you father or something like that.
12:15 That. Is
12:15 that what you say?
12:16 It's it am I right? Yeah. Okay. So I should be I should be a professional, lip lip reader now. So, but maybe just throw up, like, the number 12 for me or
12:28 something, you know, just to troll me because that was, you know, and just be like, that's for you. Just so you know, take that I
12:33 got a
12:33 glove on, so you're not gonna see it.
12:34 Yeah. Yeah. That's Well, no. You take but you take that's fair. Alright. Yeah. Right. I don't know. Something something to troll. I mean, you know,
12:44 you guys I'll think if
12:45 You get in trouble if you throw your glove off before you get to the the the dugout. Right? You technically can't take it off. Like, it's like taking it's like taking off your helmet on the football field.
12:56 No. No. No. You can take your glove off. Yeah. Okay. Because a lot of times they check. They check now. The sticky stuff. Actually, no. That's that's not true either. If you're a starter, they'll check you and you walk
13:05 off. If you come in, they check you when you come in now or before you get to the mountain. So Yeah. Yeah. A lot of times, I'll I'll take my glove off, I think, and when I'm walking
13:17 in. So Yeah. I'll take I mean, maybe. I just don't know if the camera's gonna show it. Yeah. I gotta think of something in the moment, and then I'll get I'll I'll text you and say, like, hey.
13:26 Did you see what I did?
13:28 I'm now
13:28 I'm I'm, I mouthed, you know, take that QB mat or something, you know, and Yeah. Maybe the camera catches it.
13:35 Maybe I'll just do like this, like, run, like, through my fake hair.
13:37 Yeah. Because you got longer hair. Yeah. Do that. Yeah.
13:41 Just act like you're shaking it.
13:43 Yeah. That'd be awesome.
13:45 That would be the best
13:46 thing ever. Just to troll in case, you know, you strike out Swanson in the ninth or something, and we have a runner on third or something like that
13:53 to tie your team. Prophetic family. So I got I'm gonna I'm gonna actually receive that. I'm gonna receive that word right there.
14:01 Well, okay. So let's get into that then now because dad prayed for you 2 years ago. If they could put that picture up, you and I at OTH, 20 23. So okay. You had not pitched
14:13 for 2 years and, legitimately, we're going through rehab. So kinda like, let's go through this process because you came out and visited the conference. Your wife was like, hey. Let's go out to, you know They pre
14:25 bought tickets. And there was literally no guarantee that I was even gonna and I in fact, I would say less than 1 percent chance that I was even gonna be able to go to that. And she goes, well, you never know.
14:33 It was mid season. I remember. Right? It was September, middle of season.
14:36 Something. Of 20 23. Started my rehab stint in Oklahoma.
14:40 Yeah.
14:42 And, and when I was there, I threw, like, in 2 games, and then my elbow started tightening up. I just I was not in a good place with my delivery, but I was trying to come back. And so I just said, hey. I need to shut it
14:53 down. And then the following week, we fly into Omaha. And, that's when that's when I got to, meet you guys and go through the conference, and it's the first, like, full conference I've ever been
15:05 through. Usually, I don't have time to do anything like that in the body of Christ, like, with the church or ministry or anything. So, that was my first experience. I was absolutely tired. Funny story. Your dad was
15:16 about to speak, and I've never sat through a conference for, like, 12 hours before. I was so tired, man. I was so tired. I I loved it because everybody you have are people that we follow, and I wanted to watch. So I
15:28 think did Robin speak before your dad?
15:31 Dad was Friday night. So was Robin that Friday morning?
15:35 I think
15:35 It might have
15:35 been, like, yesterday. Yeah.
15:36 I was so That was Friday
15:38 night because I introduced him. Yeah. So
15:40 And I was so pumped to see Robin. Yeah. I'm front row because you forced me up there. I did. And I'm a bad girl, bad girl, bad girl kinda guy. But I, and then it was it was great to sit by you guys. But the problem I had
15:52 is I was so tired, and I was trying so hard to focus. And my I kept catching myself, like, dozing off. And every time I looked up, it was Robin's wife and daughter, and they were laughing at me.
16:04 And I'm like, this sucks because, like, I've there's a bunch of ministries that I've started following that I've wanted to be in person to watch. And I could I was trying so hard because it was from, like, flying
16:15 home, flying there late night all day. The first day was awesome. Had no issues, like, with sleep or anything, but then, like, running from conference to conference, I was like, Katie, I need a power nap. So we go back
16:27 to the room, and you're like, hey. Where are you at? Dad's about to go on. And I'm like, crud.
16:32 I remember this. Late.
16:34 From the hotel running across the I was like, if we are not there for this and they're the ones that invited us, we're gonna be we're gonna be on the bottom of the list. So we, I'm, like,
16:46 sprinting in, and I'm so glad that we made it because your dad has such a powerful word that night. And, but I I was I was really trying to find any ounce of sleep in between each speaker because every speaker is so
16:56 good.
16:57 Yeah.
16:57 And trying to jam it in, I was like, god. Where's this supernatural energy I need right now? I'm just I'm not getting it. I need it. Yeah. So so but it was it was a great conference. It was really cool. And, I felt I
17:09 felt really small sitting in that backroom with with all the great, men of God back there. Seeing Dutch Sheets was really cool. Your dad, amongst others. So, like, meeting pastor
17:20 Shane too. Like, your whole family was great. You know, I remember sitting in the back and your parents, like, praying and even speaking stuff over our lives. So Yeah. It was neat.
17:29 Well, you know, it's first of all, thanks for saying that. And and, truthfully, it was amazing that, you know, you were able to come out and and hang out with us for that weekend. And, I mean, it was, like,
17:41 middle of the season too, and here we go. Like, it it was just very, you know, God orchestrated. And I think, you know, pastor same pastor Anthony, feel free to chime in, but I think that was
17:53 just a special moment. And we got to talk with you, pray with you, Blake, and really just, I know mom and dad as well. And then it's like once that OTH was over and then you went into the
18:05 20 24 season, we're gonna get into that playoff run because that was truly, like, insane and historic. I mean, even when you called me about your daughter being born in the middle of the
18:17 NLDS, I mean, we gotta get into all that. But, I mean, guys, we remember at OTH when Blake came and legitimately, like, the prayers and everything that it it was just I felt like that was a god moment
18:29 to, in in a lot of ways, strengthen your arm again.
18:33 Mhmm. Yeah. So, and I'll say this because over the course of the injury, before all that even happened, I'm I'm learning to
18:45 grow in my faith and areas that I have never even tapped into. And in 22, right before the injury did happen, we had some friends at a church in, in Golden, Colorado,
18:57 when we were playing the rockies. I got to meet them, and, I just asked him questions about, like, praying in spirit and not understanding it and feeling kinda crazy, like like
19:09 most people probably do when they first start doing. I think your dad does a great job explaining how to, like, how to feel comfortable in what you're what you're saying and how to how to really speak what's on your
19:18 spirit. But, you know, they were encouraging me, and I felt kinda like a loony. Because I'm in the Ritz Carlton hotel lobby on the phone with them, and they said, you know what, Blake? We're gonna do this right now. I
19:28 want you why don't you just start praying with us and start saying what you wanna say. And and I was I was like, I can't do this in the Ritz Carlton lobby. I can't shove a baba right here. This is gonna be, like, the
19:40 most awkward experience for people around me. They're gonna think I'm crazy. And so, I walk outside, and I'm, like, shaking. And I'm, like, I'm, like, nervous. And I'm, like, for 3 minutes, these sweet, like, friends of
19:51 mine, Dave and Didi, are are just praying in the spirit for me. And they're like, come on, Blake. Like, whatever you feel, like, just let let it come out. And then and I was like, what's more awkward? Listening to them
20:03 continue and not really fully buy into it or just try and and fully, like, surrender to that? And and I did, and I told them, I was like, this is a little bit, like, hard for me. And they said, well, whatever you have,
20:14 just go to your room and spend, like, 15 to 20 minutes Yeah. And continue. And I did, and then I had a I had, like, this for another time, I don't think it's a public topic. But I had a teammate come on my on on my
20:25 heart, and I just remember warring in the spirit for my teammate. And I'm not joking. Within 2 weeks, I'm on the IL. My shoulder, I'm out the whole year. I come back in the playoffs. I know for a fact it was a spiritual
20:36 battle that the enemy didn't want me to go down. And, Hundred percent. Because I've never been tapped into the spirit side of things before, and I still don't fully understand it. Like, I know that I don't have to
20:48 fully understand it right now. It's just more, like, more or less leaps of faith, try to get just, like, stay involved as best I can because it is no. This is where you guys can correct me. Like, the will like, when
20:58 you're praying in the spirit, it's like the will of the father. It's like the perfect like, it's like the language that is, like, direct. You don't necessarily have to understand, but, like, it's your spirit, like, kind
21:08 of maybe you guys can help me, like, with the words here that I'm, like, I'm missing out on, but it's not
21:13 doesn't understand, but God does. And it's like you're praying almost in like, a perfect prayer. It's a
21:18 perfect prayer when you start praying. That's what I'm trying to
21:21 yeah.
21:21 Yeah. You're praying the perfect will of God.
21:23 Yes. Yeah. There you go.
21:24 Yeah. That's it. That's what I was looking for. Yeah. And so, because even if I don't have the words, we have someone bridging that gap that knows what what we need and what we're trying to get
21:36 out. And so I, I just remember thinking to myself the accusations that were brought on to me from this teammate literally within, like,
21:48 4 days of me doing this or no. It was a week. It was about a week and a half of me doing this and praying for him. He he had no idea I was praying for him. And, but then we just had this weird interaction
22:01 and a lot of, like, negative things were said, and and I I didn't know how to receive it. I was like, man, like, that just is out of left field. And, and I knew for a fact right there, I was like, this is this is the
22:11 enemy attacking me and trying to kill my character Mhmm. In front of my teammates. And it was it was just a weird thing. And, you know, like, I had I I've I've got a great relationship with all my teammates, and it it
22:22 more or less was a misunderstanding or a or, you know, like, just an an unwarranted attack on my character. And and I was like, okay.
22:33 Now I know I'm over the target, and I just need to be leaning into this more. So I say all of this to preface. From that moment on, I met a group I met I met the leaders of this ministry that I never thought I'd
22:45 ever have a chance to meet. God opened that door. Then I'm talking to an old college teammate, and I said, hey. I've been listening to these people from
22:57 Omaha. Do you guys know the, like, Lord of hosts, like, church? He goes, oh, 0, the Coonemans? Yeah. My dad's good friends with the Coonemans. I was like, seriously? And he's like, all the other people he talked about
23:09 too. Yeah. My dad knows them also. It's like, so you guys are all running the same ring. And I was like, that is so crazy because I remember I turned on a a Sunday sermon 1 time, and I swear I
23:21 saw Craig Boyer.
23:24 Yeah.
23:24 And I was like, hey. Does your dad go there? And he's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So then it started this huge thing of, like, we we reached out to you guys and it was like and Craig was like, we gotta get him on to,
23:36 like, talk to you guys or meet meet up. And then then they knew the Christmases, and then they knew the bullocks, and then they knew gosh, there's 1 other that I'm forgetting here. But, I mean, everybody that we kinda
23:48 listened to was, like, within the same realm of, like, who you guys are partnered with or or you guys support. Mhmm. And and it was just crazy. So all these people I got to meet through your conference, and all of
23:59 which in different times have prayed over my career post surgery. So I've had you guys speak and pray into my life, and I've had Dave and Didi speak and pray into my
24:11 life. And I've had the Boyer family pray into my life, and I've had, like, my family in general pray and speak into my life. So it was weird how god, in that moment, knew what was about to
24:23 happen, opened this door with Dave and Didi, which opened the door to you guys because of Kat Kerr, which is a weird thing. So they they're really close with Kat. Your dad loves and supports Kat.
24:35 And and then so we've we all of this, I think God ties strings together in such a crazy way and put us in this conference. And to say it's 1 prayer over the other,Show more
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