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Healing from Religious Hurt 0:02 We wanna honor God because He sees everything.0:10 You were born with a plan and a purpose. He's the god of all things possible. He's the god of all0:22 miracles.0:52 Welcome to Grace Grace with Naina Michelle. I'm Michelle Humphries.0:56 And I am Naina Keegan. Welcome to the broadcast today. Today, we're gonna be talking about being hurt in religion. And, honestly, if you haven't been hurt in religion,1:08 I don't I I don't know.1:09 Christian more than Bob Nett.1:10 Exactly. Because I don't know really, you know, hardly anybody, honestly, that hasn't been hurt in church by religion. You know, religion is full of rules,1:21 rules and regulations and judging and schemes and all kinds of things like that that really deny the power of the Holy Spirit. So many times that happens, and, we're gonna1:33 talk all about that today because this is a fact. We could talk about this all day. We both have been very hurt in religion, and even from a child my childhood, very, very hurt to the point where1:46 I really just thought God was always mad and angry at me, and I always did too much wrong. I was irredeemable. And so, you know, this is something we wanna get to the bottom of today because,1:58 don't think there's anything wrong with you if you've been hurt in religion, but it's time to forgive and move on because it's not about religion. It's all about Jesus. And he's who we need in our lives, not the laws and2:09 not religiosity and, you know, that's that's that's not of the Lord. So I'm gonna talk all about that today.2:16 And I I I think about, like, David in the bible. You know, here he was a man after God's own heart and he was, you2:28 know, basically anointed as king when his own father didn't even remember him that he was out in the field as 1 of his sons. That Samuel had to be astute enough2:40 in the spirit to say, hey. None of these guys are it. None of these sons. Do you have another son? And his dad was like, Oh, yeah. There's David. You know? So think about2:52 that. Think about that. Think about how David felt. Yeah. How David felt. And then I think about, like, have you ever been so hurt in the church that somebody chased you down and tried to kill you for 10 years? That's3:03 David's life.3:05 It didn't have someone punch me in the back3:06 in church. You did. I witnessed that. That is a true story. That is a crazy story. That is a true story.3:11 It was3:11 a it was a random person. I think they were demon possessed, and they targeted her, and just punched her in the back. I was shocked.3:19 I was literally hurt.3:20 With her3:21 when it3:22 happened. And I was thinking in the church, I was thinking how do how are these letting this man pace? You know, we were at a at a special service at a church that was not our own. And,3:34 I was thinking, you know, this man has to be demon possessed the way he's acting. And, and I began to judge myself. I was like, why are you talking that way about this poor man?3:46 And sure enough, he before I knew it, he had punched 9 in the back. So that3:51 was really hurting the church. Literally. And and security guards chased3:55 him down,3:56 and it was just surreal.3:57 But It was very strange. But but, you know, with Saul, he chased David down. He tried to he he threw a spear at him. That's what I call4:10 getting hurt in the church, and Saul had been anointed as king. So you know what? David never let that get to him get to his soul. He would4:22 even speak to his soul and say, soul, why are you downcast? You know, David knew where his strength came from. He he didn't look to Saul to be4:33 his savior. He looked to to the Lord. And and that is what we have to do when we get hurt in the church. We have to go back to the beginning. We have to go back4:46 to our our original faith in the Lord and know that he's the only 1 that we can truly count on, and he is the only 1 that is truly faithful.4:57 Right? Well, you know, there's so many times that that, you know, you people who have been hurt in church, they go, oh, no. They don't wanna hear about Jesus because they they lump the 2. They they throw it all in the5:09 same category. And, you know, Jesus died the most horrific, the most unbelievable death on the cross for us to have salvation, for5:21 us to live in eternity with his father, with to just erase all of our sins because he loved us so much, you know, that he God sent his only son.5:33 And so it's not about a whole rule list. It's not about being good enough, being perfect. It's not about all these things that the church make almost makes it virtually impossible. People walk into5:44 church, and they feel like, oh, I can never live up to these standards. I'm not good enough. A lot of people don't even go to church because they feel like they they're not good enough. They're they're a hot mess. And I5:54 know recently, the movie Jesus Revolution is out, and if and if you haven't seen it, go see it. It's an amazing true story. But, you know, it's, you know, during that, you know, the the the Jesus movement and6:06 these hippies, you know, young hippies, and we're, you know, entering into a church. And a lot of the elders of the church were like, that's not the kind we need here, and they judged them. And6:17 so the pastor was so wise. He ended up, you know, saying, well, too bad because everyone's welcome here, and the elders left the church. Now that's what I'm talking about being hurt because6:29 why are they judging? You know, you're there. Everyone's there. Come, broken mess, whatever kind of mess you're in because Jesus wants to meet you there. He wants to meet you, and he wants to bless you.6:41 It's about a relationship with him, and he doesn't care where you've been, what you've done. If you accept him, if you ask him to forgive you of your sins, he's gonna take care of that for you. But so many times,6:53 people, if you're hearing us right now, you've been hurt in the church and you are never going back there because you just think that's all crazy. Well, that's what the devil wants. He wants you to hate church, hate7:04 religion, hate everything to do with it so that you don't get to know the Lord. And that's where the big problem lies because that's we can't keep holding on to that because Jesus plus7:16 nothing else equals salvation, not the church, not the rules. We're not human doings. We are human beings who God made and who God loves, and he sent his son7:28 for us. And7:29 Yes. And and, you know, the church is full of imperfect people. It's like a hospital for imperfect people. So if you go to church, you're not7:41 going to church with Jesus. Well, he's gonna be there because people are gathered there, but he's there and he is the great physician, and he is,7:53 like we say in Texas, fixing those people. He's healing their souls. He's making them better humans, but they haven't arrived yet. When8:05 we all get to heaven, you know, like the Bible's like the song says, what a day of rejoicing that will be. And sometimes when we've been hurt in the church, we might think, oh, I don't think I wanna go to heaven with8:16 sister, whoever, you know, because she was not very nice. And, even on Saturday Night Live, they depicted the church lady. Remember the church lady? She was, just so hateful,8:28 you know, and that's not how we need to be in the body. We need to go and know that not everybody's perfect, but Jesus, our lord and savior is. And we'll talk more about that when8:40 when we come back.8:42 The world needs to be reached with the message of Jesus. And that is the mission of Grace Grace with Nina and Michelle, to see people's lives change with the saving power of Jesus Christ.8:54 When you donate to Grace Grace Ministries, you're also reaching orphans and the underprivileged throughout the world as well as the United States. The Bible says that when we help the least, the forgotten and the9:05 overlooked, we have done something for Jesus himself. Will you be a part of what God is doing to help those in need and those who are hungering to hear the real message of Jesus? Give today by logging9:17 on to nainaandmichelle dot com or text the word give to 3 2 5 6 0 3 3 3 5 4. You can also send in a check to 63 15 b FM 14 88 Road9:29 number 122 Magnolia, Texas 77354. Grace Grace Ministries is a 5 0 1 c 3 charitable organization. Gifts are tax deductible, so join us in the great commission today.9:41 Give now.9:44 Welcome back. You are watching Grace Grace with Nina and Michelle, and we are talking about if you've been hurt in the church, you are turn tuned in to the right show. And, you know, hate and division9:56 and discord have been talking way too long and whispering in your ear because the love of Jesus needs to start talking louder because it seems like, you know, we're all God's people in these times right now. We're10:07 all whispering. We're all standing in the background. We don't want to offend. It's time to offend. It's time to just get in there and tell people the truth because if we don't, people are falling into hell in a handbag10:19 just because they've been hurt in religion. Well, get up because you're not the only 1. It's time you might have been in the wrong church because I know I was. And it's time to get into a holy spirit church. It's time to10:31 get into a church that it's all about Jesus. It's all about the word of God. It's a holy spirit filled church. And there is a big difference from a religion with this a doctrine full of10:43 rules and lists. And I grew up in that atmosphere, and I grew up that it was I was told that I was going to hell since I was 9 years old because I was leaning back on my chair 1 time in my in10:54 my religious grade school, and I had a a nun come over and tell me that the good lord was gonna choke me. Like, the good lord was gonna choke me. So it's terrible. If I11:06 didn't if I didn't stop leaning back on my chair. That's11:09 because she called him good lord11:10 and choke. And so I just thought he was so insane. Yeah. And I remember, like like, I had this brother who's a year older, and I remember, you know, we would get in our little scraps. And I remember saying, like, you11:22 know, I hate you or whatever, and and or just you get in your little fights. And then I remember when you had to go to confession, I'd be like, I said I hated my brother again. You know, because it was11:33 like my constant, like, I had to, like, I had to go in there and, like, you know, confess that because if I didn't, it was another check for me to go to hell. Like and so when you are learning all these things11:46 at such a young age, you know, it's just it's it's, you know, you're of course, there's no power. There's no Jesus. There's no forgiveness. There's all these rules, and it makes it impossible. And so so many kids,11:57 by the time they can drive or decide they're not going to church anymore, they stop and they quit because they're like, that is not for me. That is crazy business because it is. And we're not talking about12:10 don't go back to that church that hurt you or that there was no power or There's none of that. There are so many wonderful, amazing churches that are nondenominational. They're all about Jesus. They're not about12:21 religion. And you're there's no big checklist that you have to, like, meet the standards to be able to come in there. Yeah. Definitely. It's just12:29 Well, you know, I think about my middle daughter who was always so funny and so very talkative. Even if she was in church, she's still talkative. But, I know she was really hurt in12:41 the church, and I I remember a particular time when she I guess she was probably third or fourth grade, and they had a little program. It was kinda like Girl Scouts, but it's called Daisies. And, so she was a daisy, and12:53 she talked all the time. So, she got held back in daisies. They wanted to they wanted13:00 to be a daisy.13:01 In actual school because she's13:03 supposed to go back to bugs.13:05 It's not13:05 a daisy.13:06 Another year. And I think after the second year of her being a daisy, they gave her the crown that year. I think they just wanted her to go on past Yeah.13:18 Move on. She was a talker, but she got really hurt in church. When you have that personality as a child, you know, she was pretty busy and talking and, ADD and,13:30 so she she was busy, you know, in church. And so some of those people take that so seriously, and I understand that. And but it was just hard to keep her quiet. And so she she was really13:41 hurt, you know. So as a child, those things matter, you know. And as an adult, I think about, you know, I basically after being in ministry several years when13:53 I was younger, I told the Lord, if this is ministry, I'm out.13:58 I don't have anything to do with it. Yeah.14:00 It wasn't it was easier for me to be in the world. At least I knew what I was dealing with. And do you know that there was a sermon on TV? I happened to be passing14:12 through, and it happened to be on, and it was the gifts and callings of God are without repentance. And I was so convicted because I was like, I'm finished with ministry.14:24 So I repented. I got down on my knees after not being in ministry for 2 years, and I said, okay, God. If you want me to go back into ministry, make a place for me. And do you know14:36 before I think before I got up from my knees, the phone rang. And it was the place that I left and they said, what are you doing now?14:44 I was just waiting on14:45 you. That amazing waiting. Open arms. Waiting. And he'll always take you back to your last place of disobedience. And that is exactly where I went. And, you know what? I'm14:57 so grateful. I'm so grateful because God needed he wanted me in ministry. He didn't need me in ministry, but he wanted me in ministry. And it15:06 has been so much fun.15:07 Ministry to Right.15:08 Oh, here15:08 you go. It's a full time. You know, some people are called to the public square. And some people are15:14 called any15:14 Exactly. Wherever you are, you you're called to minister. Your office. Every single person.15:19 In your neighborhood. Wherever you are, God can use you and that is your ministry. It could be something you're writing online or you, you know, you you encourage people or whatever it is because God needs us all. We15:31 are his army, 1 body for for such a time as this, and there's I I know that's it's it's hard to overcome. And and, you know, that is the devil loves us to pick up an offense.15:43 And even in the church, when if you've gone and you've picked up an offense and now you're like, uh-uh. You know, it's like but it's not 1 size fits all. You know, there are wonderful, wonderful churches that are just so15:54 filled with the Holy Spirit, and there's an anointing on that that literally you you can feel it. And if, you know, what you have, if religion isn't causing you to grow16:07 and move and change and start to transform your life with those little nudges of things. It's not like you have to give up things or change. It's but you want to because you don't16:19 wanna grieve the Holy Spirit and you want to please the Lord. And so if your church isn't, like, really kind of, you're not hearing those kinds of messages about lay it down, come as16:31 you are, and, like, really just seeing that prompting of the Holy Spirit that's bringing about some change in your life, then, you know, you need to you you need to go and and get in a spirit filled church. And it's okay16:42 to try a few until you hear from the Lord or you feel such a peace when you walk in the door, and you'll know you'll know that's him. That's you know, because you'll be welcomed in because, you know, nobody is16:54 perfect. If we had to go by perfection, nobody would make it to to to heaven. Nobody. Absolutely nobody. Because it is all about Jesus. It's all about what he suffered. It's all about what he did17:06 for us. It's not about what we do for him. We are at the on our best day. I don't care if you're mother, Teresa, on your best day, you are as filthy rags. We all are. And so because we need to17:18 realize and know that that it's only him. He's the only way, and and he's gonna make that way and keep calling you onto himself until until you you you find him and you meet him17:30 there. So we're gonna talk more about that when we come right back. You're watching Grace Grace with Naina and Michelle.The Importance of Community and Forgiveness 17:35 The world needs to be reached with the message of Jesus. And that is the mission of Grace Grace with Naina and Michelle, to see people's lives change with the saving power of Jesus Christ.17:47 When you donate to Grace Grace Ministries, you're also reaching orphans and the underprivileged throughout the world as well as the United States. The Bible says that when we help the least, the forgotten and the17:58 overlooked, we have done something for Jesus himself. Will you be a part of what God is doing to help those in need and those who are hungry to hear the real message of Jesus? Give today by logging18:10 on to nainaandmichelle dot com or text the word give to 3 2 5 6 0 3 3 3 5 4. You can also send in a check to 6315 B FM 14 88 Road,18:22 number 122, Magnolia, Texas 7 7 3 5 4. Grace Grace Ministries is a 5 0 1 c 3 charitable organization. Gifts are tax deductible, so join us in the great commission today.18:34 Give now.18:37 Welcome back to Grace Grace with Nite and Michelle. We are talking about an important subject, getting hurt in the church. And we are not advocating for you to step out of church because the Bible18:49 says that the church, it is important that that we need to be meeting regularly with the body of believers. We need to be breaking bread with the19:00 body of believers. We need to be taking communion. We need to be, in small groups. We need to be accountable to a pastor. I mean, there is a even spiritual warfare19:13 is attached in fighting the battles in your life. They it it's all attached to the body of believers. So we're saying to you today that if you've been hurt in the church,19:25 we're asking you to ask the Lord to heal your heart and walk back in to a it may not have to be the same church where you were, but find another church. Find19:36 another pastor. Because I promise you that there are people that really love the Lord in that, yes, they might hurt you in the daily life, you know, that you're19:48 living. It's possible, But for the most part, they probably won't or they won't do it intentionally. And I think about, for me, when I met my mother and father-in-law, I was just so blessed20:01 because they were the real deal. And so they discipled me and they when I would get hurt in the church, they would just sort of teach me how to walk through that. And I think that's so important20:13 to to be around other believers that know the Lord and they're more mature than you. They can say, now calm down and stay.20:23 Yeah. It's not as bad as all that.20:25 Yeah. You know? Exactly.20:27 You think about Jesus and, you know, never once did he just scan the room looking for the the perfect person and say20:36 He never did.20:37 There's there's the perfect person. I'm gonna pick him to go do all these these works. No. He had every walk of life. He had the tax collector even. He had everybody. They were they were a hot20:49 mess. And and all of them because that's aren't we all when they met Jesus, like, aren't we all like that? And so it I love that. I really it's like was like a band of misfits that he hung out21:01 with because that's what the in the Bible for a reason. So we can see that he just loved them and used them, and they got to go out and do all these amazing things for Jesus. I mean, because when you21:13 are saved, it says greater things will you do than even Jesus himself did because the Holy Spirit lives on the side of you, and that's real church. When we go out and we are the hands21:25 and the feet, this is the church without walls. And so, yes, don't forsake the assembly. It's very, very good to be in church. It's very important to be in a good Holy Spirit filled church because you're gonna have21:36 some accountability. You're gonna get some some good, uplifting words that are gonna encourage you. You're gonna have some people that you can, you know, call and count on, and that's super important. But, really, it's21:48 all about teaching you and making a disciple so that you can go out and be the arms, the hands, the feet, the mouthpiece of Jesus. And, you know, you think about even, like, the woman22:00 who was what they wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery. You know who wanted to stone her? Yeah. The religious people. They brought her up to Jesus, and they were gonna stone her. And because she got caught22:12 in adultery. And what did Jesus say? You know, he said, you know, whoever is is without sin among you, let you be the 1 who throws the first stone. And then I22:24 just picture that how she must have felt at that time. And then all of a sudden, you're hearing each stone thud as they hit the ground. Just think about that. She she's thinking she's gonna get22:35 killed. A stone is gonna kill her, and then she's hearing them hit the ground as they drop their stones and they start walking away. Jesus wrote something in the dirt before he said that. He answered. He took time, you22:47 know, when they asked him about her. And I I I believe that he took time to speak to his father because he says the word says he didn't do anything without first talking to his22:59 father. And so I just love that depiction of, you know, his his his such mercy and grace and then, you know, that he just forgave her on the spot. And all of those23:11 people had to really take into account, like, you know, I I I'm judging this person, and what have I done? And so, really, the fingers that were pointing many times, we need to just turn them right around,23:23 and we need to ask the Lord, you know, what are we doing? I'm so sorry. Forgive me. I I I like to say, for things I know I I I don't even know, I I wanna I wanna have a a clean and contrite heart before you. So show me23:34 things I do not even know that I might be doing that's hurting you. And so that's where it needs to start with, you know, a place of, you know, we really have to look at ourselves first and and see where are we judging23:45 because are you perfect?23:48 You know? And when you think about it, when you're judging, you're like those Pharisees. You're saying the church is, you know, not right and I was hurt and, you know,24:00 everybody's a hypocrite. But really, you gotta think about who's saying that right now. You're judging. Mhmm. So what I would say to you today is if you've been hurt in church, I am so24:11 sorry. Yeah. I hate that for you. Right. Jesus didn't do it himself. It was his flawed people, and they probably loved the Lord. And and, you know, they were24:23 weak. And maybe maybe sometimes, you know, they were wolves in sheep's clothing. You know, maybe they weren't even part of the body of believers, and and so they were sent by the enemy to try to hurt you24:35 so much that you would just give up on church. That is never never the plan of God. So I say to you today, go back to church. Find a body of believers.24:47 Get under the authority of a pastor. Find some old people, some old saints of God Here. That are prayer warriors and get in their prayer, groups. And and and24:59 get in there again and give the body of believers another chance. And and so let let me pray for you right now. And and and, Lord, we just come to you right now. And, God,25:10 I pray that you would pour out your oil on their on the hearts of those who have been, hurt by others, Lord, in the church, Lord. I pray, God,25:22 against, those people that, have been wolves in sheep's clothing. Lord, move them out of of the church. Lord, we ask you, father, right now that you would25:34 begin to do a healing work in hearts all over the world right now as we pray. And we ask you, father, that you would have others step up and look for those people25:46 who look a little lost in their church and reach out to them and begin to invite them over and begin to invite them to bible studies. And we ask you, father, for all of these things in Jesus' name.25:59 Amen. Wow. That was good. We are just so blessed that you guys are watching our program today. You know, share it with others. 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