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0:02 We wanna honor God because He sees everything.0:10 You were born with a plan and a purpose. He's the god of all things possible. He's the god of all0:22 miracles.Understanding a Biblical Worldview 0:52 Welcome to Grace Grace with Naina Michelle. I'm Michelle Humphreys.0:56 And I am Naina Keegan. Welcome to our broadcast today. Today, we have a very important and special guest with us. He's been on our program before. We just love to listen and hear from him. He knows so much about so1:07 much, especially about a biblical worldview. Michelle, you wanna introduce?1:12 Yes. And David Clawson serves as the director of the Center for Biblical Worldview at Family Research Council. He researches and writes on life, human sexuality, religious1:24 liberty, and related issues from a biblical worldview. He's 1 of the brightest stars, 1 of the best young men that we know, just he's got a1:36 meteoric rise. He is, he's written already 2 books, and, so I want you to welcome David Clausen. Thank you so much for1:47 being on the program, David. We appreciate you.1:50 Thanks for coming on. We just love to sit and listen to you. You're so knowledgeable about so many things. So so we will1:56 Thank you1:56 for that kind introduction. Always a joy to be with the 2 of you. Love this program, so thanks again for the invitation to join.2:03 Well, you're welcome. We're glad to have you.2:05 Now we know that we have an issue. You know, the Bible says, if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and turn from their wicked ways, then I2:17 will heal their land. And we know that the body of believers is off on their biblical worldview, and you have written2:29 a book that you can get on f r c dot org. It's called an introduction to worldview by David Claussen. So, David, can2:41 you speak into that?2:44 Absolutely. And I think what a important conversation to really have at the beginning of a new year is kind of we kick things off. And, you know, Family Research Council, this is our 40 first, year of existence. We2:55 celebrated our fortieth birthday last year. And we've always cared about coming at issues from kind of the lens of scripture, from a biblical world view. And, but really the Lord put on, the president of Tony of3:06 FRC, Tony Perkins, about 3 years ago that we needed to start a center, that really goes back to the basics, to provide resources for churches and for pastors and Christian parents. And so we3:18 launched the Center for Biblical Worldview, in 2021. And since then, we've been releasing a lot of resources, including my latest book, Introduction to Worldview, which just kind of looks at what is this3:30 concept, that we call worldview. You know, you know, Naina and Michelle, everyone has a worldview whether they realize it or not, because a worldview is simply that lens, that moral, spiritual, intellectual filter3:41 through which we look at the world and understand what is right and wrong, what is good, what is bad. And so all of us have a worldview. And the question for those of us who go to church and believe that we're3:51 Christians, is our worldview biblical? And so in this book, I try to say define what a worldview is and then look at how a worldview is truly a biblical worldview as opposed to a non biblical worldview.4:03 So so what do you think the answer to that is? How do you know?4:08 Yeah. So I think every worldview, every philosophy of life, every religion really has to answer 4 basic questions. First is why is there something rather than nothing? The second is what's gone wrong in the world?4:20 The third is is there any hope? And the fourth is kind of, an s a question of eschatology. Where are things headed? And so a biblical worldview, answers those 4 major questions, with really the4:32 meta narrative or the storyline of scripture, creation, fall, redemption, consummation. And so if we can look at the world, through that lens, that that's kind4:43 of the general way to look at it, and then apply it to all the specific issues that we deal with in our lives and with public policy and things like that.4:53 Well, George Barna had some numbers, that were alarming.4:58 Do you4:58 have those statistics, David?5:01 I I do. And so that's, in fact, 1 of the reasons that I wrote this booklet, and I actually engage with these figures. And so George Barna has been doing worldview polling for 40 years. And 1 of the most recent5:13 polls he's come out with is only 6 percent of Americans have what you would call a biblical worldview. And that's depressing. That's really sad. A lot of times I speak around the country and I'll share that. A lot of5:24 people are surprised, but what they're most surprised by is what I'm about to share, which is we took that same survey into evangelical church, churches and asked people, about their worldview, and we5:36 asked a series of questions. It's not just if you identify as someone who has a biblical worldview, we we want to measure it. And so we we measured beliefs and behaviors. So beliefs. Do you believe that Jesus is the son5:47 of God? Do you believe in the trinity? Do you believe the Bible is God's word? So just basic theological beliefs. And then behaviors. Do you believe it's moral to cheat on your taxes? Is it moral to sleep with someone5:57 you're not married to? To be considered someone with a biblical worldview, you need to only score 80 percent or higher on beliefs and practices. And although 81 percent of regular churchgoers thought they had a biblical6:09 worldview, when the survey results came back, Michelle, it was only 21 percent. Wow. That's better than 6 percent, but I don't know many pastors that would be happy that only 1 out of 5 people in the pews on a Sunday6:21 morning are thinking holistically about life through the lens of scripture.Challenges and Opportunities in Faith 6:26 That's amazing. Shocking. People are not in the word. Do you have any studies on how many people that go to church actually read God's word?6:37 Yeah. Absolutely. So 1 of the surveys we did, actually, we released it this past August, and we asked a whole host of questions, related to spiritual disciplines, church attendance, bible6:49 reading, beliefs on abortion, beliefs on, sexuality and gender ideology. And, I I don't have the the precise numbers in front of me, but I I believe it was somewhere. And and to to even7:01 qualify for our survey, I should preface my comments with this. You had to tell us that you attended church at least monthly. And, of the people who had, took our survey, actually, 72 percent were weekly churchgoers.7:14 But even amongst those, I think it was in the 60 or 70 percent range, that said they read the bible weekly. And so again, if you only or all you get, in a week is 1 hour on a Sunday morning, and7:25 that's all that you're filling into your spiritual tank, so to speak, well, it's almost impossible, to have a biblical worldview when the rest of the week, you're being inundated with,7:38 not only alternative worldviews, but worldviews that undermine, what the Bible would teach us.7:43 Right. The secular worldview is just, you know, constantly before you in every way, just bombarding you with everything that's happening. We also are hearing all the time, you know, you're such a young guy7:55 and and, you know, listening to you is just amazing to hear. So what are your thoughts about what's happening on college campuses and, you know, the statistics I had heard 1 time, I don't know, you might have more8:06 updated, is that 85 percent of Christian children growing up in a Christian home go away to college and and and just walk away from their faith. And so that's8:18 alarming. And so what do you what do you think of that? Because, you know, that's we have to know what's happening with the young crowd and what's going on with them too.8:27 And and I tell you what, let's let's hold that answer, and we're gonna come right back.8:33 I'm excited to announce that we're bringing back our best offer ever on our original My Slippers. You saved 90 dollars a pair with your promo code, and now My Slippers come in even more sizes.8:45 Smaller sizes, larger sizes, wide sizes, and all new styles and colors. Get them for your friends, your family, your neighbors, everyone you know. What makes my slippers different is my exclusive8:57 4 layer design that you're not gonna find in any other slippers. My slippers' patented layers make them ultra comfortable, extremely durable, and they help relieve stress on your feet. I'm so9:09 confident that you and everyone you know are gonna love my slippers, that I'm extending my 60 day money back guarantee until March first 20 24, making them the best Christmas gifts ever. So9:21 go to my pillow dot com or call the number on your screen now. Use your promo code to save 90 dollars. That's only 49 98 a pair. Quantities won't last long, so please order now.9:33 Welcome back to Grace Grace with Naina and Michelle. We are talking to David Claussen. And, David, I was just asking about, you know, your thoughts on the the the college age kids, the young adults, and what's happening9:44 with all of that. And and and the Christian worldview, it seems like it's nonexistent. And even these kids who who grew up in a Christian home, what do you think about all that? What are your,9:57 statistics on any of that, if you have any?9:59 Yeah. So George Barna, again, who's a senior research fellow, in our Center for Biblical Worldview, has done some surveys, and I'd invite all of, your, viewers to go to f r c dot org slash world view to to access these10:11 studies. But 1 of the things that we're showing is that you I mentioned that 6 percent of Americans have what you would call a biblical worldview, but when you break that down, into generations, it's about 9 percent of10:22 kind of the older generation that has a biblical worldview. My generation, I'm 32 years old, I'm a millennial, my generation's about 4 percent. Gen z, those born from 19 98 to10:34 2004, it's about 2 percent. And so, and 1 thing I think, Nineth, that's important to realize, that George has helped me think through, is that a world view, again, that10:46 fundamental perspective you have about, towards the world, what is right, what is wrong, what is true, what is false, that really crystallizes at the age of 13. And so and and of course, as Christians, we believe10:58 the Holy Spirit can, save anyone at any time and change the way you view the world. But but generally speaking, the way you look at the world when you're 13 years of age, that is how you will think about your life.11:10 It'll get nuanced and a little bit more sophisticated through the teenage years and into your twenties. But the your the fundamental perspective you have about life, when you're 13 years old, that's pretty much how11:20 you're gonna go through life of until you die. And so that's why it's so important for us to be pouring in to our 10, 11, or 12 year olds, making sure that that you know, Deuteronomy 6, I think, is a11:32 wonderful passage for Christian parents to meditate on. You know, the chief disciple maker of of a parent is, making disciples in their home. And, so in 1 sense, Ina, by the time you get to college, it's11:44 almost too late. And that's kind of an insight George has, shared with me over the years. But I will say, you know, again, no one's ever too far gone from the Lord's reach or from the work of the Holy Spirit. And11:56 so that's why it is important to do college ministry and to, invest in college students at a time when they are considering different ideas and world views. But you look at the lay of the land in Christian higherEducation and the Next Generation 12:07 education, there are not a lot of bright spots. And I think that's that's concerning.12:12 But now aren't there studies that that, in Christendom that are showing that once these kids that were raised in church, they backslide in college,12:24 and then they get married and start having children, they begin to come back to their faith. Are you seeing that?12:32 Yes. So that that is 1 promising trend. And I and this is a bit a trend for generations, you know. I'm thinking about, you know, the the 19 sixties and the hippie generation, you know, they got really liberal and, kind12:42 of, threw their wild, oats, so to speak, and then they get married, have children, and then you kind of I think this happens in every generation. The older you get, the more responsibilities and, things like that,12:54 you become more conservative. And and so I do think some of the trends we're seeing is that some of these Christian college students, they they leave college, they start their own life, they are starting to come back.13:04 Really, 1 of those pivotal moments is the birth of the first child, where I I think we we've done studies to show and that's 1 of the things FRC is trying to do. The family research council is provide resources, for13:16 young parents. That moment when a young man, you know, in his twenties and thirties, all of a sudden finds the, the mantle of parenthood on his shoulders all of a sudden. And, for many young men, that's a time when, you13:28 know, marriage or parenthood, those are 2 big mile markers. Well, wow. I feel responsibility. I I feel that I need to lead. I need to grow up, so to speak. And so, that is a pivotal time that I think13:40 ministries like FRC and others, local churches, especially, can leverage those key moments in a man's life and in a woman's life, to try to, bring them back,13:51 to, the the roots of their faith.13:54 Do you think, David that's so good, and I think it's so, so important. Do you think sometimes, you know, I I look around and I see what's happening in colleges. Even right now, we have the pro Hamas,14:06 and just it it's outrageous to even see. And what's what the indoctrination that we were able to find out through COVID even about what's being taught as as young14:18 as, you know, 4 year olds in preschool and the the drag queen story hours and all of these things. And, you know, sometimes I look at all these things and it looks like we're fighting an absolute losing battle. Like,14:29 because where where are we how are we gonna come out of this? Where are we gonna get the right information to our to the children? And and it seems like that when the the teachers and the the administration14:42 and the staff are all on, on the sides of the left and all of these evil things. Like, you know, so so what I mean, we know Jesus is the answer, but what are some of the steps that we feel like we can14:54 take to maybe help our children, help grandchildren, to to sort of avoid some of these things and to, you know, to to just change the world view in in the lives of15:06 some of these young people. You know, are there things being done on on schools and campuses?15:11 Yeah. The I think the point you just made on it is so important. If there is a silver lining in what happened during the COVID 19 pandemic is that, millions of parents, were kind of awoken.15:23 They woke up, so to speak, to what was being taught, to their children. You know, when schools went virtual, you had parents walking through the living room and hearing some of the lectures and some of the teachings, and15:34 they were shocked. Even non Christian, parents were just, astounded. And, you know, from kindergarten through twelfth grade, here's an interesting stat for you. From kindergarten through twelfth grade, your child will15:45 spend 16000 hours, receiving classroom instruction.15:49 Wow.15:50 And so once again, how can you possibly stand up to those 16000 hours if you're just doing 1 hour on a Sunday morning and maybe 1 hour of youth group on a Wednesday night? That that's a losing battle.16:01 Did you calculate those hours too?16:05 Yeah. That's true. But, you know, what's interesting though is we're seeing record numbers of enrollment in homeschool and private school. And that's encouraging, but still the vast majority of children are gonna be in16:16 public schools. And we can't give up on the public schools, and that's why we're 1 of the things Family Research Council does with our FRC Action Wing is actually we do, trainings to help people run for school board,16:27 because a lot of these horrific policies, especially related to the gender ideology, guess what? That's from that's run that's put in there by the ideologues who run so many of our school boards. And so I I think getting16:39 engaged, running for school board, just being involved in your child's life, looking at the lesson plans, thumbing through the textbooks. And if you see something that's objective, speak out,16:50 gathering other parents. Those are some just practical things I think we can do, but I I I do think education is something that's beginning to trend in the right way, in some places, given what weTaking a Stand for Faith 17:02 learned during the COVID pandemic.17:04 Well, don't you think that, parents are, a lot of parents think, well, running for school board is for somebody else. That's never gonna be something that I'm gonna17:16 do. Don't you think that, parents need to consider that maybe the Lord is calling them if they're bothered by it to run for school board?17:27 David, can you hold that thought? We are gonna take a quick break and, come right back, and we're gonna hear your answer to that great question.17:34 I'm excited to announce that we're having our biggest Christmas sale ever. You get our brand new 6 piece my towels for only 29 98 or rejuvenate your bed with a MyPillow17:46 mattress topper as low as 99 99. Or how about MyPillow bedsheets for as low as 24 98? There's something for everyone. Duvets, quilts, down comforters,17:58 body pillows, bolster pillows, and so much more. Well, I know my pillow products make for the perfect Christmas gifts, so I'm gonna extend my money back guarantee until March first 20 24.18:10 So go to my pillow dot com now or call the number on your screen. Use your promo code to get huge discounts on all MyPillow products. For example, you get our 6 piece towels for only 2918:22 98 or get your very own MyPillow bed sheets for as low as 24 98. It's our biggest Christmas sale ever. Get all your shopping done now while quantities last.18:35 Welcome back to Grace Grace with Naina Michelle. David Clawson from Family Research Council is with us today talking about a biblical worldview, and we18:47 were discussing, you know, when when we think about we that we need people to run all over the country for school board that love the lord and have biblical values,18:59 we always think, well, that's for somebody else to do. I'm I'm not political like that. What do you say to that, David?19:05 Well, I'd say it's between a person and the Lord, but what we've seen around the country in hundreds and, I I dare say, thousands of races is just, folk just ordinary people with no political experience whatsoever. Just19:16 faithful grandmothers and grandfathers, realizing that they don't want on their watch, to see some of this just harmful material, whether it's, gender ideology or,19:28 even things related to abortion, the Southern Poverty Law Center curriculum, Planned Parenthood curriculum that's in actually a lot of these public schools. And just take in a stand. You don't need a ton of money to run19:39 for school board. You don't need a lot of name recognition. A lot of these precincts are really small. A lot of these races actually go uncontested, to be honest. And so I I think, everyone, if you feel your heart19:50 stirring, ask the question, and and talk to the leaders in your church, your pastor, your elders. Maybe the lord is calling you, to take a stand in your community. You know, it's an election20:02 year, Naina, and everyone's gonna be focused on, you know, the possible Trump Biden rematch. But really, so much happens at the local level that actually for many of us has a much more in in stronger20:14 impact on our lives than the things that happen in Washington DC where I am right now.20:19 That that is true. You know, I I I've noticed a big switch, even in myself, paying much closer attention to the smaller local elections because so many things, it seems like they just swoop in. And overnight,20:30 everything's changing because nobody really was paying attention to that election. You all think it, you know, that it doesn't have a a big impact, but it certainly does. And, you know, the other thing is with some of20:41 these school board, elections and things, you know, we've seen a lot of things on the news and, you know, where where people have spoken out at school board meetings and then in come the police and they're dragged away20:52 and they're arrested. And, you know, so many of the things that we're seeing go on are really just designed to bring fear to the average American, to the person who, like, oh, I'm not gonna get involved. You know?21:03 They're trying to silence us, and then by doing those things, they do. Because people are scared to run or scared to speak out and scared to, you know, step out against the establishment. And so what would your advice be21:14 to people like that? Because sometimes it does seem like it is such a David and Goliath, type of situation. But, you know, God's God's on our side. But, what what do you think about that?21:26 Absolutely. That the story of David and Goliath is 1 of my favorite. And, you know, we always remember David won because he was on the side of the Lord, that the Lord used David. And there's so many stories. I'm just21:36 thinking of Tanner Cross, in Virginia, Loudoun County. This was a a PE coach who got fired. He lost his job, because he he refused to use the preferred pronouns of his students. You know,21:47 biological boy shows up to school and wants to be referred to, you know, as Sally or Sarah and use female pronouns. And he said, you can't coerce my speech. That violates my free speech rights. That violates my religious21:58 freedom. And guess what? He won. Amen. And we're seeing so many folks like Tanner Cross. And, again, he this is just an ordinary, public school teacher. And folks like him are are speaking out. And22:10 guess what? Praise be to god. We still have a first amendment in this country that allows us to speak our mind, to to say our peace, and often we're seeing victories. And, of course, you're not gonna see that in the22:21 media. You're not even gonna see that on Fox News often, but there are a lot of folks, who are standing for what's right. They're standing for the truth. And, again, we're seeing victories. And so I think all of us22:32 should be asking the question, what is the Lord in this new year calling us? Is he calling us to step out in faith? And if so, let let's take that step and leave the results up to him.22:41 Amen. That'll preach. Well, David, what do you think is the most important thing that a parent can do to Mhmm. Win their children22:53 to the Lord or back to the Lord?22:56 Yeah. That's a great question, Michelle. And if, again, George's research is correct, I think every parent with preteens and younger kids in the home, focus on that worldview development, have a family bible23:08 study. I know growing up, my family had a every night, we would, share prayer requests, maybe sing a hymn or 2, and then just pray together. Pray together as a family. Again, Deuteronomy 6 gives us23:20 that blueprint, you know, blueprint of just when you're walking along the way, when you sit down, you rise up, to just make it a normal thing to talk about the things of the Lord. I think every Christian family should23:31 normalize praying together, reading scripture together. And for the wayward child, never neglect, the power of prayer. Prayer is powerful, and it's,23:43 something that I think every parent, every Christian grandparent, needs to fight those battles on their knees because, again, the results were up to the Lord. We're just called to be faithful.23:53 Amen. Thank you so much. You know, David, will you pray for our viewers? It's time is already up. I can't believe it. So they I know they would love to hear you pray.Prayer and Spiritual Growth 24:02 I I'd be happy to. Let's pray. So father god, I do thank you for the show, Grace Grace. I thank you for Nina. Thank you for Michelin. Thank you for the viewers. And, Lord, at the onset of this new year, Lord, we know you24:13 have so much in store. And so, Father, I pray that we would surrender our lives. I pray that we would submit our our ministries, our families, our careers, everything to you. I pray that we would just say yes to24:25 you and that your will would be done in our lives. Father, please reign supreme. We know you're sovereign. We know you're in control, and we just trust you with our lives. We trust you with this year, and we pray that24:36 your will would be done in all things. And in the name of Jesus, I pray. Amen.24:41 Thank you so much, David. Now tell us how we can get your books. He made them male and female and also an introduction to Worldview.24:51 We've made it easy for folks. You can go to f r c dot org slash world view, and then there's the relevant links to all the books, all the booklets, the interviews, the resources. So f r c dot org forward slash world25:03 view, and I pray all those things are helpful to folks.25:06 Well, we appreciate you so much. And I, you know, when I look at your Facebook, you're all over the world. You've gone global preaching about worldview, and we're just25:18 rooting for you and, praying for you and believing that, God is he really has his hand on you, and you're gonna do mighty things for him. So we appreciate you so much, David,25:30 for for coming on the show.25:32 God bless you, David. We pray everything you touch prosper and succeeds for the glory of the Lord. So God bless you, and happy New Year.25:39 Praise God. Thank you so much.25:41 Thank you so much for watching Grace Grace with Naina and Michelle. We're so happy you joined us today, and we hope you enjoyed our interview. You can follow us all over social media at Grace Grace with Naina Michelle,25:51 Naina Keegan Ministries, all on Facebook, Instagram, filled with daily devotions with the word of the Lord. 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