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0:02 We wanna honor God because he sees everything.0:10 You were born with a plan and a purpose. He's the God of all things possible. He's the God of all0:22 miracles.0:52 Welcome to Grace Grace with Naina and Michelle. We are here filming live at NRB in Nashville, Tennessee. We are in an arena with the largest gathering of Christian1:04 communicators from all over the world, all with the same plan, all just moving and advancing the kingdom. And so we are so excited to be here today. We have some special guests with us today. We1:15 are here with the Mike Lindell channel, Frank Speech, and o Horizon Media Studios and Overcomers TV. It is such a privilege to have our guest. It's1:27 just a god miracle, I think,1:30 to have you on our program. We're so grateful. Today, we have with us Brenda and Paul Crouch. We they are Brenda is a TV host,1:41 speaker, author, singer, songwriter. She shares a dynamic message of healing and restoration, and Paul is a comes from broadcasting royalty and1:53 Christianity. I mean, that is the truth.1:56 And it's Paul and1:57 J. Proud. Yes. He he he is the chairman of Cinemills Corporation. However, he is best known for his association with Trinity Broadcasting Network, which is the2:08 largest Christian network preaching the gospel all over the world. His parents were none other than Paul and Jen Crouch. What a heritage you have.2:18 Well, it really is. It's an awesome heritage. The issue that, you know, I learned from my folks was, you know, number 1, do not despise small2:29 beginnings. Because I've seen what God did with 2 very simple people. When mom and dad started TBN in 19 73, number 1, they had no money.2:41 They didn't sing, preach, anything like that. My dad was a businessman. But you know what my parents were when God called them? Is they were obedient.2:51 Right. Right.2:52 God doesn't need your talent. He doesn't need your good looks. He certainly doesn't need your money.2:57 Right. God's will, God's bill. We said3:00 God needs your obedience. Amen. And if you will be obedient to him and let him use you, he will do great and mighty things. And I've seen that. I grew up in it. And I3:11 know what the media can do to touch and affect people's lives.3:17 Honestly, that that God used Christian television for me during a a season that I would call a cocoon season, where I had no external support. I had no family3:29 around. I had no church family. And I found myself facing trauma after trauma and at a point where I thought, I I don't know my way out of this. And it3:41 it was ministers of the powerful gospel that were speaking and prophesying to me through the lens of the camera. And God would use those divine appointments3:52 to absolutely refuel me and bring me to a point of greater understanding so that he could enlarge. You know, he he he walks us through things and and we're we oftentimes are afraid of our4:04 pain, but it's in the midst of our pain Yes. That God will visit us there if we won't acknowledge it and not just try to deny it and bury it alive because the thing we bury alive, we give power to. And4:16 so in those seasons, I I always encourage people, you know, this is a place where the Lord, the hope Jesus is the hope on your horizon, and he will meet you right there. And he4:28 will reform you. I mean, the butterfly goes through an absolute change. Right. You know?4:34 And they also go through the change through a struggle. The struggle to get out of that cocoon. I've hear heard a story 1 time where a scientist messed with that and Yeah. And cut it open for4:46 them, and then the butterfly died.4:47 So in the struggle, there's nothing like the pit to meet Jesus. So it's very, I think, very important in this season especially as people are struggling and they're they're trying to come out of their4:59 dark cocoon season. And even as we're coming through the the last 2 years with a pandemic and and so much changing in our culture and in our world, people are dealing with lots of5:10 anxieties, lots of trauma, and things that have been kind of unearthed in this season. So my encouragement to them is remain pliable, remain open to listen to the spirit of the5:22 Lord and draw close to him and and be people who are filled with his love and his grace and be listening because that is what's going to fuel you and5:34 make you fly.5:35 What would you say to people right now who we get a lot of, mail and prayer requests and things who are asking, where is God in all of this? Where is God5:47 in Ukraine? Where is God in the the COVID and all the people dying? And where is God in in the sex trafficking and all of that? People ask and question. So what would your answer5:59 be?5:59 You know, I always go to dark and light. I'm kind of a technical guy. So I understand without shadow, light has no meaning. Without darkness,6:11 the flame has no meaning. So in the Ukraine, which is horrible, I guarantee you coming out of that are gonna be wonderful stories of courage6:23 Yes. Of people helping other people, people saving lives. We see that in hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes. We're from California, so we deal with that. But,6:35 you know, god, I don't think creates these situations, but in it, he allows us as humans to make a difference, be a difference, bring hope and light to hurting6:47 people. And that is really about the only explanation I can see to the pandemic. Yes. We have lost some wonderful friends and neighbors to the6:59 pandemic, but I have seen some wonderful acts of courage, of, you know, people helping other people. In her case, in particular, she almost died of COVID. But7:10 through that, it brought some relationships that will last for the rest of our lives.7:15 That's true.7:16 So7:16 And if I could just add to that, I believe that it's you know, we don't see the beauty without the pain. And I believe truly that that's the place we go beyond the cognitive relationship with him and we7:28 experience him on the inside. This is the transformation of the butterfly that we were just talking about. It's in the depths of our pain that we experience him on a level that7:39 changes us and we are becoming more, as Doctor Mark Schirona likes to put it, more fully human in the sense of how God created us to be and in the7:51 perfection of Jesus, the humanity of Jesus. It has followers of Christ. Isn't that beautiful?7:57 We are going to go through struggles. You you talked about it even with your last last guest. But it also says, even blessed men go through valleys of weeping.8:08 Many are the affliction.8:10 Yeah. Yeah. And you don't stay in the valley. You don't live in the valley. You don't lament in the valley. But you walk through the valley.8:18 Yes. And I always love through because I always like to say, every trial has a first day and a last day. You're going through it, but Jesus is there every day. He's with you every day in that, and8:30 that's what we have to remember. He I I if I'm going through some God, you know about this. You're here. You're here. Because that's key is to know that he won't leave you. He won't forsake8:41 you.8:43 World needs to be reached with the message of Jesus. And that is the mission of Grace Grace with Naina and Michelle. To see people's lives change with the saving power of Jesus Christ. When8:55 you donate to Grace Grace Ministries, you're also reaching orphans and the underprivileged throughout the world, as well as the United States. The Bible says that when we help the least, the forgotten, and the9:06 overlooked, we have done something for Jesus himself. Will you be a part of what God is doing to help those in need and those who are hungry to hear the real message of Jesus? Give today by logging9:18 on to naina and michelle dot com or text the word give to 3 2 5 6 0 3 3 3 5 4. You can also send in a check to 63 15 b f m 14 88 road9:29 number 1 22 Magnolia, Texas 7 7 3 5 4. Grace Grace Ministries is a 5 0 1 c 3 charitable organization. Gifts are tax deductible, so join us in the great commission9:41 today. Give now.9:44 I know you guys have all gone through, you know, situations where you just needed Jesus to walk right by your side.9:53 Well and listen. Growing up in the media and with my parents, you know, when you're near the top of the mountain, you're also a big target. Right. My parents had more arrows in10:04 their backs than any other person I know. Now they had really thick skin too. You had to develop thick skin. You know, but they always focused on10:16 really evangelism using this technology for good. And my father was driven by 1 scripture, and it was Mark 16 15. Go10:28 into all the world and preach the gospel. And we he jumped on and adopted every technology possible in his day. You know, many times the church10:39 preached against technology. Don't go on radio. Don't go on TV. Don't be involved in the Internet. Don't do movies. It's evil. But no. No. No. No. No.10:51 God created these technologies to be used for evangelism, and I believe that.10:57 And that's how the gospel is gonna get preached all over the world, and that's how we're gonna get Jesus back. And so what pioneers, you know, your your parents to have to just to think11:09 that through in that capacity?11:12 Many will never know the sacrifice that they had to go through to make that a reality.11:18 Your your parents heard from God. That is for sure. You shared a story last night at a dinner, and we were so impressed with that story. And I wanna share that I want you to share that11:29 story. But I wanted to share a story. I I'm sure you've heard it, but I heard it when I was in college. I went to see an evangelist, Steve Brock, and he said that he he had lost his11:41 son, and he was in his hotel room. Do you have you heard this story? He was in his hotel room, and he was he he was so devastated and so11:52 brokenhearted that he was going to take his life. And he said that before he did it, he got a phone call and it was from your mother,12:04 that God had given her the phone number to call him and say, don't give up. I have never forgotten that story12:16 because I thought, oh my goodness, to hear from God like that. What a heritage you have, Paul. And your dad had a vision. Tell us about that vision.12:27 Yeah. Hold this baby real quick for me.12:30 Yes. The visual for this is very cool.12:32 The visual's good, and I'll give it to your producers and they can put it on the screen. But I showed this last night, but there's a picture of a satellite that was in the early late12:44 seventies that RCA launched this satellite and it was the first time that you could start and take 1 signal, hit a satellite in space12:56 and cover a whole nation. I mean, that was mind blowing in that day because in that day you had to build TV city by city. You had to go LA, Phoenix,13:08 Dallas, Tulsa, Portland, and it was very expensive, very time consuming. Satellite was revolutionary and my dad understood and God had given him a vision before this was13:20 launched about satellite. He was in his office, he looked up in the ceiling and he saw a great beam of light coming down from space and it started hitting Miami, it started13:32 hitting New York, it started hitting Dallas, it started hitting Portland, Los Angeles, Chicago and those all of a sudden those cities started to light up and little fingerling lights13:43 started to spread out of those cities. And eventually the whole nation was covered with light and this is the satellite that made that happen. RCA launched it13:55 in 19 76, 77. RCA named it Angel 1.14:02 And that's a secular14:03 That's a yeah. Secular company. Yeah. They TBN didn't name it. Now and Trinity Broadcasting Data was so cute. We were the third customer on that satellite for Trinity. It was14:15 HBO, Cinemax, and TBN were the first 3 customers on this satellite.14:20 And it was called Angel 1.14:22 Angel 1 was the name of that satellite. But here's what dad preached so many times. He went to Revelation 14, and it's it's an interesting14:33 part of of the scripture. But imagine the, John the revelator looking at that that image of a satellite. And if I saw it 2000 years14:45 ago, it looked like an angel to me. And and Yeah.14:49 You know, it's got the wing wings. Yes.14:51 The little eyeballs and all that stuff. So what's amazing, dad found in Revelation 14 6, then I saw another angel flying in the midst of15:02 heaven having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth, to every nation, tribe, tongue, people saying with a loud voice, fear God and15:14 give him glory for the hour of judgment has come and worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the seas, and the springs of water. And for 14 years, that15:26 satellite literally flew in mid heaven. That's exactly what he described and preached the gospel proclaiming fear God and give him glory15:37 for 14 years. So that was my father's generation. That was my father's technology. He understood satellite And satellite's still around but it's becoming a little bit obsolete.15:50 I go down the other day. I go down. We're reading on through Revelation. I went down to Revelation 14 14. Okay? Just a few scriptures16:02 down. 25 years ago, if I'd have said, ladies, what is a cloud? What would you have said?16:09 Sky is blue. Cloud.16:11 Yeah. Little puffy thing up in the sky. Rain comes from a cloud. Okay. Here's what's gonna blow your mind. What is the cloud today?16:22 You know, the cloud where everything yes. Yes.16:25 It's where all16:26 the Total of all information today, the signals you produce here, the radio signals, the TV signals go through the cloud. Every bit of data that comes through16:38 this phone, every phone call, every picture, every text goes through the cloud. Okay. Let's read 14 14. And he said, then I looked and behold a white16:50 cloud and on the cloud sat 1 like the son of a man. Having on his head a golden crown and in his hand a sharp sickle.17:01 This is interesting. And another angel came out of the temple crying with a loud voice to him who sat on the cloud. Not sitting on17:13 a cloud, the 1 who sat on the cloud. Thrust in your sickle and reap for the time has come for you to reap for the harvest of the earth is17:25 ripe. So he who sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth and the earth was reaped. And I truly believe17:37 that was John the revelator seeing the cloud being used to reap the final harvest that we now as Christians must17:48 create good content, must holy spirit inspired programming, music shows, salvation shows, movies, whatever, talk shows to reap the final18:00 harvest because it's gonna be that through cloud technology that we are gonna reach the world.18:06 The world needs to be reached with the message of Jesus. And that is the mission of Grace Grace with Naina and Michelle. To see people's lives change with the saving power of Jesus Christ.18:18 When you donate to Grace Grace Ministries, you're also reaching orphans and the underprivileged throughout the world, as well as the United States. The Bible says that when we help the least, the forgotten, and the18:30 overlooked, we have done something for Jesus himself. Will you be a part of what God is doing to help those in need and those who are hungry to hear the real message of Jesus? Give today by logging18:42 on to naina and michelle dot com or text the word give to 3 2 5 6 0 3 3 3 5 4. You can also send in a check to 63 15 b f m 14 88 road18:53 number 1 22 Magnolia, Texas 7 7 3 5 4. Grace Grace Ministries is a 5 0 1 c 3 charitable organization. Gifts are tax deductible, so join us in the great commission19:05 today. Give now.19:07 So many things, you know, now in this age of sound bites and how perception is shaped by the things they're even allowing you to hear and the things they're taking down and19:19 and in, you know, we we had all heard about how we would be persecuted. And I believe we're gonna be held accountable not just for the things we did on earth, but for the things we didn't do. And we19:31 can't back down. We have to we we can't leave things out. We our people are gonna be dropping into hell because of the things we didn't say. You know? So I think, with the things that are being19:43 shaped by the propaganda little sound bites that generations are allowed to hear, What do you think is basically like next19:55 steps? What would you say is on the horizon for using the technology available to us to reach those generations?20:05 Well, like I said, the Internet has changed everything, but we have to be careful because if we put our content on the backbone of Facebook or the backbone of20:16 YouTube, they can turn into the cancel culture. And and they can call what we say hate speech. We were talking with Tony that you just say somebody's a sinner,20:28 and that's considered hate speech. Yes. So we have to be careful. You know, I've I've been in the broadcasting world. We've been in cable. I've been around all of the technology, satellite, which we20:40 we just talked about. But I think it's now time for Christians like Mike's doing and others to create our own platforms, our own backbones Yeah. And and get Christians on platforms20:52 that cannot be canceled for any reason whatsoever. You know, the gospel of this world is going to be preached. You know, we talked about it that in the21:04 most caustic culture in history was the Roman Empire. You know, if you go to Rome, we would be dragged21:16 out of this building and thrown into an arena because we're Christians and being fed to lions. Yes. That's pretty caustic. Christianity still thrived in that21:28 environment. During21:29 times of persecution, persecution, there's a tremendous revival. I mean Yeah. Those are the times to draw close.21:36 And don't you think this is the time for revival? I'm like you, Brenda. I was the person on the other side of the TV desperate for God, you know, and needing a word from God and21:48 using your parents' network. And, you know, and so how do you think that technology and the media will22:00 the Christian media will affect those who are sitting on the other side or watching on a screen or on their phone? How will what are next steps?22:10 Well, like I said, technology's gonna evolve. It's never gonna stop. We've got to create the programming that's gonna touch and affect people's lives. God will bring22:23 a program just at the right time. There's a pastor in Southern California named Raul Reese. He's a Calvary Chapel boy, got saved under Chuck Smith, came out of the Vietnam22:34 War horribly, just messed up PTSD. PTSD. And he was so convinced his wife was having an affair on him. He22:46 sat in the in the couch, got his rifle, and was sitting putting bullets in his rifle. And when his wife came home from church, she was a church girl, he was gonna kill her.22:59 And, yeah, all of a sudden, he's just he's just losing it. He's sweating. He takes the butt of that rifle and he hits the TV with it trying to23:10 smash the TV in. It turned on TV in by accident.23:17 And we know it's23:18 not No accident. We know that. Wow. And literally, within about 10 minutes, Chuck Smith was on that screen talking about the love of God, the love23:30 of the Lord, the love of this man named Jesus. He is now pastoring a church of 30000 members there in Calvary Chapel, Golden23:42 Springs. The Lord miraculously turned his life around.23:45 And see what the devil meant for harm. Right?23:47 Tell us how the audience can find you guys now.23:51 Baby?23:52 Well, you can find us at Brenda Crouch dot com, and, we both run Brenda Crouch Ministries together. We have a new TV show called Breakpoint where we're unpacking some of the24:04 challenging issues that people are are walking through right now. And wonderful guests, and you can find that on God TV as well as the the faith24:13 Faith Faith Network.24:14 Faith Network in South Africa. You can also find my show, Insight Voice on YouTube and follow my YouTube channel, Brenda Crouch. I think that everything he just24:26 said, technology's there, but this points to the fact that we've we must be releasing anointed content. And that means we've got him we've got to step aside and allow the holy spirit to be king.24:37 Because his word is truth. Well, you pray for24:40 the viewers?24:41 Yeah. Yeah. I'll start. Baby, you can finish. Father God, we thank you for allowing us to come together, Lord. Let us all, father, catch a vision, a vision for the24:52 lost and hurting world. May technology never be used to make us famous, make us important, make us rich, Lord. Technology is used25:04 to touch and affect the lives of hurting people. We know all around the world that people are dying, people are hurting, people are suffering. And I know,25:16 father, through the Internet and through satellite and different technologies, we're going into nations right now that if we tried to go in person, we would be arrested or killed. But you25:28 created this technology so we can reach the lost, reach the hurting, and may everything we say, we do, and produce25:38 Yes.25:38 Honor you25:39 Yes.25:40 In Jesus' name.25:41 In Jesus' name. And, father, we pray that every person that is watching this program today, anyone who has a deep need, who has a deep question, and might even be questioning and pondering25:53 their own existence, father, bring that arresting anointing of the holy spirit to compel them to want to know more about this person called Jesus. We ask you, Lord, that26:04 you be glorified in all that we do. In Jesus' name. Amen.26:08 Don't forget to get Brenda's book, Fight Forward. Reclaim the Real You has to26:15 do with identity and how the enemy hijacks our identity through our wounds. And he wants us to project a counterfeit, but Jesus will unravel those things to bring us to the26:27 authentic person we are in Christ.26:29 We love your hearts. Thank you26:31 so much for joining us. We're so honored and privileged. God bless you guys, and may God prosper in everything you guys touch to succeed.26:39 Thank you. Bless you guys.26:41 Thank you for joining us.26:42 Does science disprove God?26:44 Is there a war between science and faith?26:47 We don't need God to create a universe. There's no evidence for God and it's irrational. Is there no evidence for God?26:53 Am I delusional for my beliefs? It is delusional and stupid.26:57 Am I brainwashed?26:58 Do I ignore reason? Logic. Critical thinking.27:01 Science.27:03 RDOF uses logic and reasoning.27:06 RDOF has empowered my sons to defend their faith with facts. 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