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In this video 0:00 Foundations of Faith and Hope11:19 The Journey to Adoption28:19 Parenting Through Faith and Challenges41:06 God's Sovereignty and the Ripple Effect of Faith
Foundations of Faith and Hope 0:00 I think God was laying a foundation for our marriage that could sustain 6 kids in 15 months and all of the things that, you know, NICU and adopting kids from hard places0:12 who had lost their parents and all of the stressors that come with that for them. So I wouldn't trade it, but I I think sometimes that's sort of what God is doing is he's creating a story. He's painting a a story0:23 that we wouldn't necessarily choose for ourselves. But it's those past graces, it's that past mercy that I think gives me hope for he sustained us through that, then he will0:35 sustain us in this.0:37 Welcome to Hope Talks. We're your hosts. I'm Haley Scully along with Dustin Anderson, and we wanna give you every reason for hope for every challenge in life because hope means everything.0:55 Haley, on Hope Talks, we have had bring your mother to work day. We've had Glenda Scully on the podcast.1:00 Yes. We did.1:01 We've had bring your boss to work day.1:03 We did.1:03 We've had doctor Eric Scalise, and today is bring your friend to work day.1:07 Bring my seminary bestie to work day. Bobby was thinking1:12
1:15 No. We're not gonna do that. Although, it would be fun to have that dual out on hope together or hope talks. But, yes, today we have pastor Ryan Walling, the right
1:27 reverend. Yep.
1:28 Ryan, welcome to Hope Talks.
1:30 Thank you for having me.
1:31 Thank you for being here. I'm excited.
1:33 So, yeah, Ryan, is dear friend of Haley, pastor of Bayshore Baptist Church in, let me get this right, La Porte, Texas.
1:41 Correct.
1:43 And married to Jessica and father of, let me get this right, 6 children.
1:47 6 kids. That's right.
1:49 And from what I understand, that all happened in a very short amount of time. And so we'll get into that hopefully a little bit later with, just the adoption and how that happened. But upfront, we
2:01 like to ask people their hope stories. And so, Haley, would you like to
2:05 I would. I'm gonna ask you our the hope story. I'm so excited to have you on here, Ryan. Like, Ryan and Jessica were at Fort worth. Ryan had started seminary at the same time I
2:17 did. And the Lord just gave us a quick friendship, like an Ryan and Jessica have been a significant part of my faith steps, like going to
2:28 Ethiopia, working on youth ministry lab. There were so many things that Ryan or that the Lord used Ryan to give me opportunity to do that. I don't even think that
2:41 it's in hindsight that I can see how much your faith has been such a big part of my faith. So man, you're welcome that we're friends.
2:51 Well, I was going to say, I was going to say, thank you. Please continue.
2:54 I know. Cause I will get down and get to balling. What a, an amazing time in our lives that we got to share. We both gone in different directions since then, like we went
3:06 from, you know, I used to get to come stay with you and Jess right after we graduated. You guys became my family and I just am so grateful for you. So thank you for being on Hope Talks today.
3:18 Absolutely. Thanks for inviting me.
3:19 So we will, we're gonna, I'm gonna pretend like I don't know you. Thank you, Mr. Walling, but getting some of your hope story. And like you said, there's a lot of directions that you can go in. And when you talk about
3:31 what your hope story might be like, the Lord has just done some incredible. I mean, just drop the mic moments, with you and Jess. And so getting to share part of your
3:43 story with hope talks. I told, I told my coworkers, I said, he's, you know, from Louisiana, so we might have to do subtitles. That's right. But
3:55 we ask people, what's your hope story? And for some people that is their time of salvation when they really learn to put their hope in Christ. For me, it was later, You know, like when I really understood what it meant
4:06 to depend on him. So it might be that, or it might be another time in your life. But Ryan Walling, what would be a hope story that you would share with us today?
4:16 Yeah. You know, it's it's an interesting question. You know, when did you learn to put your hope in Christ? Because I would almost say still learning that. Right? I mean, we I I think it's it's, obviously, a
4:28 sanctifying thing that we continue to learn that, through different seasons. But I would go all the way back to, fourth grade. I didn't grow up in a Christian home, didn't go to church. My
4:40 aunt took me to church when I stayed the night with her. And, I don't know. I mean, I was there as a guest and didn't really understand or know much about what it was like to be in church. And and I had a
4:52 really interesting, I guess, salvation story. I was in fourth grade living outside of Atlanta, Georgia, and I was invited by a friend to an RA campout. I don't know if any of your
5:03 listeners remember Royal Ambassadors, RAs and GAs.
5:08 And GAs. Yeah.
5:09 Yeah. And, it's not from the beginning. If there's searches out there still doing RAs, shout out.
5:16 That's right.
5:16 But, I was I was invited to a father son campout, and, obviously, my dad didn't go. He wasn't involved in the church, so I went with a friend and and his dad. And I'm not suggesting
5:28 this to anyone. If there are any RA leaders out there leading campouts, this is not the way to do it. But this guy, we were gathered around the fire, probably cooking s'mores or something, and he said some words, and
5:40 then he said, you boys fourth grade. You boys see that fire? Hell's 7 times hotter than that fire. You wanna burn in hell?
5:46 Oh my.
5:47 And I mean, we're a bunch of, like, 10 year olds. We're like, no. I didn't know. He's like, put us in there. I didn't know what was happening. And and he's like, if you don't wanna burn in hell, say this prayer. And
5:55 we're all like, yes, sir. You know, just I said some words. I just said some words. But here's the phenomenal thing is about a week later
6:07 and I could take you to the spot. I actually showed my wife, Jessica. I showed her on Google Maps. I just wanted to see if I could literally find it, and I could. I I can pinpoint the spot. I was sitting behind my house.
6:19 There was a creek bed in Conyers, Georgia. The neighborhood is Harvest Glen. You can look it up. Anyway, there's a creek that runs behind there, and I was sitting behind my house. And I can't really I don't
6:31 wanna overstate the spirituality of this. I mean, I was in fourth grade. But the lord, through this hellfire and brimstone RA leader,
6:42 somehow the spirit spoke something to me that a week later, sitting behind my house, I was looking around at, like, I don't know, the leaves and the clouds and the creek. And I just remember
6:54 going, there is God. Like, it was the first time that it ever registered that there's there's something more than just what we see here and just what we experience here. I don't wanna make it sound like
7:06 I've had some really crazy prayer. Like, I was, like, our father who art in heaven. Like, I didn't know the words to say. I just remember thinking, I need to know this God. And,
7:19 and I and I pinpoint that as that's when I placed my faith in Jesus. I didn't have I don't know that I had the words place my faith in or trusted in Jesus. I don't know that I had any of the the vernacular for it. But I
7:30 remember feeling this overwhelming excitement and peace, and I ran back in to talk to my mom. I can picture it like it was yesterday, and I told her that that I met God. I think she
7:42 was a believer, but not really following Christ at the time. And, of course, she was excited for me. So fourth grade, and then I didn't I didn't go to church. I didn't drive. My parents didn't go to church,
7:54 and, I didn't really go back to church until, probably sixth or seventh grade because I just didn't know that's what Christians are supposed to do. I didn't know what a Christian was or how 1 lived.
8:06 So anyway, it was that point that I remember realizing, like, I've trusted God, I've met God. But it was really later, seventh grade, eighth grade, ninth grade, that some
8:18 friends in junior high had invited me to church. And it was there that, what I then, as my 12, 13, 14 year old self, looked at these super old men. And they
8:30 just loved me well, and they discipled me, and they taught me how to do church and gave me a bible and all kind of stuff. And I I say it a little bit tongue in cheek now, super old men, because I did the math, and those
8:41 men then were about 10 years younger than I am now. Mhmm. So But Yep. It was just the church that loved me and shepherded me well. It's where I was baptized and surrendered to the ministry. It's where I met my
8:53 wife. So it was there in the presence of those people, Fair Park Baptist Church in West Monroe, Louisiana, that I started to realize and learn what it means to actually place your hope in and
9:05 and hope in Christ just grew substantially, over the 10 years or so that we spent there. So, yeah, I would I would look back at those 2 things as the catalyst for,
9:17 all the hope that I have and the journey that I've been on.
9:21 I love that. I love that. Just starting to get, like you said, your your awareness, even as a child, just open up that there is a guide that there is, you know, some decisions to be made and some paths
9:32 maybe to, to start on. And that ultimately, like you said, you, you know, some people like discuss the semantics of a calling or surrender to ministry and all that kind of
9:44 stuff. But you 1 thing I have always known and appreciated about you, you ask a lot of questions and you dig in and you want to know, and why
9:56 do we pray? And does God, you know, listen to that if he's already decided how things are going to be, are we supposed to, you know, like that's 1 thing I really miss about seminary is as we wrestle with, with all of
10:07 those things, but it really has led to being an anchor in your life and through your going into ministry. And because we both started seminary a little bit later. I'm a little older and wiser than you. I threw in
10:19 the wiser part of it. I'm a little bit older, But you guys started a little later too. We weren't, like, 22 going to seminary, you know, but so how did that kind of shepherd you,
10:30 anchor you as you started into your marriage and started into your work in ministry?
10:36 Like, seminary specifically?
10:38 Yeah.
10:38 Yeah. I don't know. I I heard I had so many people tell me that seminary was, like, 1 of the driest points in their in their walk, and and I I never understood that
10:50 because iron sharpening iron like and, I mean, our conversations, Hailey, you and I, along with so many others that I met there during that time, and and not the least of which would be
11:02 Richard Ross and Johnny Darrowin and Wes Black and those people.
11:04 Get their names in. I
11:06 love it. Yeah. Shout out to those guys. I grew more in that, you know, what, to 3 3 years or however long we were there, probably at a faster rate than I ever have. I tell this
11:18 story all the time to my congregation that Richard Ross, I never understood. I never realized that who Jesus you know, I I think I always pictured Jesus
The Journey to Adoption
11:30 on a cross or Jesus, you know, walking on water or, whatever. I don't I don't know. Like, with a bathrobe on and, like, feathered hair and, like, I don't have, you know, very
11:39 Feathered hair.
11:40 Yeah. Feathered hair.
11:41 He is from West Monroe. Let me just remind you. Okay.
11:45 You know, with, like, a a child and, like, a lamb on his lap or something.
11:48 Yeah. Always a lamb, currently.
11:51 And it was it was in seminary that Richard Ross pointed out to me, and I feel foolish for not having realized this. But I just thought 1 day Jesus was gonna become king in return for his people. And it
12:02 was Richard Ross who helped me realize he's that king today, not he will be, but today. And it changed it revolutionized the way I pray, the way I read scripture, the way I teach, probably the paths that I've taken in
12:14 ministry. So, yeah, I mean, it was super formative for me.
12:19 Yeah. Yeah.
12:19 I'm I'm curious about your trajectory into dis discipleship and calling in the ministry because I kinda relate to, how you came to know the Lord because I grew up in
12:31 a you know, I think my mom and dad were believers, but we didn't really go to church all that much. It wasn't huge part of our background, and I just I I felt like I kinda came to the Lord, like,
12:43 first in my family. And so but when when you have that experience, it's kind of like everything. Like you said, I was just like I had this excitement. Like, everything feels new
12:55 and, like, there's just like a I found with other people, there's, like, just a hunger for the word and kind of anything you kinda get feels like I don't know. It's like just
13:06 the trajectory of growth can seem rapid. And so I was curious if that was kind of your experience, and then how did that kinda lead into feeling like I should go into ministry full time?
13:18 Yeah. I mean, so there was the there was the moment in time in fourth grade. And then to be completely honest, there was no growth because I I didn't know how to grow. I didn't I I wasn't watered, so to speak, or what. I
13:29 mean, I just I had no option for that, really. I remember that my grandmother gave me a bible, and it's it's blue. It's actually on my shelf right here, but it's King James. And I don't know any fourth grader that wants
13:41 to read King James, if I'm honest. Like and, so I don't think I read it. Maybe I tried, but I I probably failed miserably because I just couldn't understand the language in it. But as I was saying, like, then then you
13:53 jump to, like, seventh, eighth grade, solid student ministry at at the church there in West Monroe and grew a ton in that. And I was baptized in tenth grade because I I I it was just it
14:05 took that long. Haley's gonna say it took that long for the lord to get through my thick skull, but it just took say it. It just took that long for me to hear a sermon that, I guess, was about baptism or whatever to
14:16 realize, like, oh, that's the next step of obedience for me. And then it was quickly on the hills of that that there was actually a guy he was the director of the Louisiana Baptist Children's Home,
14:28 and he came on a special Sunday and he preached, like just guest preacher, and I he had a degree in counseling. He was, probably a master's degree in counseling and maybe a PhD in counseling psychology or
14:40 something. And I don't remember much of what he said. I just remember thinking, I'm supposed to go and get that degree. I'm supposed to go into ministry. And it was at that moment I'd never really been told what I call
14:52 the ministry years or what that looks like or how that's supposed to go. And I remember going to my pastor and saying, I think I'm called into ministry. And for years and years and years, I I don't know that I ran from
15:02 that, but I just didn't know how to pursue that, which is why Haley mentioned earlier that, I mean, I went back to college kind of or seminary sort of late because I just didn't know what it meant. I didn't have anybody
15:14 to shepherd me or disciple me in how to go into ministry. But anyway, I went to get my counseling degree and then I thought, okay, I'm I'm gonna step out of doing student ministry and the things that I was doing, and I'm
15:25 gonna I'm gonna go and be a counselor. And then graduated with my counseling degree, and the Lord was not opening any doors for me to do that. But all of these doors for student ministry were continuing to
15:37 open. And so people were just like, oh, so, like, you got a degree in counseling, but you do student ministry, so you don't use your degree. And I'm like, that's he hates it. That looks like of course, they use my degree
15:46 all the time. But yeah. So, anyway, just to get back to your question, I think, anyway, is there was no growth and then rapid growth, and then a little bit of growth and then rapid growth. And it that that's kind
15:58 of been my trajectory is just sort of full speed ahead, and then it slows down, and then fast, and then it slows down again. Again. That's been my experience anyway. But
16:07 Yeah. I think it's fun to just, you know, you consider those old men who are, you know, like, maybe 10 years younger than you, 20 years younger than me, that discipled you. And discipleship has been, like,
16:19 a key component. I remember for you all along, which is probably 1 of the main reasons why taking the counseling piece and going into youth ministry and what ended up happening with, you know, youth
16:31 ministry lab and those types of things. But in the midst of all of that, you were married to the wonderful Jessica and, you know, I've shared a lot of my story. Dustin
16:43 shared his story, kind of how our lives are just it's, they're not in the background, but we have these ministries and these things happening and our, and our lives are still going on. And we're making sense of, you
16:55 know, you guys, you were married 12 years. I think even at the time coming into seminary, you guys got married really young and, and started to walk
17:06 your faith life out in your marriage and in your parenting. And that was, I can still remember I'm going to preface it. I remember they were talking you guys kinda started talking about
17:18 adoption, and we're gonna kinda get into that story. I remember you and Jessica coming to Ladybird Manor, which was the name of my house with my roommates while we were in seminary. We ourselves the
17:30 ladybirds. Don't even worry about it. But ladybirds was
17:33 like a official, like
17:34 No. We named it because she was a classy house.
17:38 We, but really she means she. G
17:41 I name. And it stuck though because I like to name my houses.
17:45 We'll get a sign for her office tour.
17:48 I do have a sign. It's at home now. But you and Jess came over, and I can still see you guys sitting on the couch. And all of a sudden, Jessica showed us this picture of this sibling group from Ethiopia,
18:00 and you told us where you felt God was leading you. So let's get into your adoption story and kind of how you've had this call in ministry from the time you're in fourth grade.
18:12 You have these people discipling you. You step into this calling, you start really doing the work, but then your personal heart and life, you really got to walk that out. So
18:25 why adoption? How did you get there?
18:27 Yeah. So so, yeah, Jessica and I were married in 2000 because I was wise enough to marry in 2000. That way, whatever year it is, that's how many years I've been married. So
18:38 Be smarty.
18:39 Never have to. Yeah. So Whatever year it is
18:41 Mhmm. That's how
18:42 many years I've been married. So January of 2000. So there's only 7 days that I might get it wrong.
18:47 Oh, congrats on the 25 year anniversary.
18:50 Yeah. This year. Absolutely. So when we started talking seriously about marriage, and we did get married young. We started dating my junior year, her senior year of high school. And when we
19:02 I mean, not then, but a year or so into dating, we started talking about seriously, like, if we're gonna get married, like, what does this look like? What do you want for your life? And what do I want for my life? And
19:14 where do we align? Those kinds of things. And she said 2 things. 1 is she said that she wants to adopt. She said, I just feel called to adopt. I mean, this was she was 19, 20 years old,
19:26 maybe 21. Said that she felt called to adopt. And I never thought about that, but I wasn't opposed to it. I was like, okay. Like, if that's what you wanna do, like, we can we can do that. I'm okay with that. And then the
19:36 second thing she said is I feel called to be a missionary. And I thought, there's the deal breaker. That's not what my call is. I just I mean, I love and appreciate and support and pray for
19:48 missions, and I go on mission to all the things. But, like, I don't feel called to move overseas, and do that. But that's what she felt called to do. So we talked about that, and she said, I trust that if this
20:00 is what we're supposed to do, that you'll obey the lord. And if it's not what we're supposed to do, then I'll I'll submit to the Lord as well. And so we moved forward, got married, and I think we always thought we
20:11 would have a kid and adopt a kid or have 2 and adopt 1 or have 1 and adopt 2. Like, in my mind, it was always 2 or 3, and 1 or 2 of them would be adopted, and 1 or 2 of
20:23 them would be biological. So we were married about 3 years when we found out that the doctors told us that we were infertile, that she would never be able to have biological children. And,
20:36 and it was I I remember it it hit, but not as hard as maybe it would have had the lord not planted that seed in our hearts of we're going to adopt. Not saying it was easy. I'm not saying
20:48 it didn't hurt sting, but it was just, okay, the Lord had led us to adopt, and so that's how he's gonna build our family, and that's the direction we'll go. So we saved
20:59 money, started the adoption process, went through an entire adoption process, and had a failed attempt. We were trying to adopt from Nepal and our US State Department shut down all
21:11 adoptions from Nepal at that time. And so we lost all of our money, all of our time. We were back at square 1. And,
21:19 And that's while you were at seminary. That's why we were there. Yeah.
21:22 Absolutely. Yeah. And so just the rug was pulled out from under us and didn't I didn't understand. I I remember my constant prayer was, lord, your word says that that children are a blessing, and we desire
21:34 children. And, you you know, you didn't allow it to happen this way, so we were gonna pursue it this way, and we were fine with that. And now you're not allowing that to happen. So there was there was really some
21:44 conversations, most of them 1 way, between me and god.
21:47 It's called back talk, Ryan.
21:49 Yeah. I was I was back talking for sure. Mhmm. We went to an adoption conference. I'll fast forward a little bit, but we went to an adoption conference, and we decided, like, she was gonna go to some of the different
22:00 seminars and tracks, and I was gonna go to some other ones. And we were gonna kinda just, at the end of the adoption conference, talk about and figure out, like, where are we? Like, are we starting back over? Are we
22:09 doing this? Are we not? What's the direction? And so we came away from that, and we sort of compared notes, if you will. And both of us had heard things about what's often called, like, waiting children,
22:21 like, paper ready. Like, essentially, everything's done on their side. They're just waiting for someone to say we will adopt them. So we'd heard about that for the first time ever, and then we had both listed some
22:33 countries, places that we would be interested in adopting from. And on both of our lists was Ethiopia and Colombia. And the adoption agency that we had been talking to that worked with
22:45 paper ready, I don't you know, waiting children, they didn't deal with Colombia, but they dealt with Ethiopia. So, I mean, it'd be cool if it was some kind of super spiritual, like, the lord led us. You know,
22:57 like, an Ethiopian knocked on our door and, you know, but it was just kinda very logistical and just the way the way I felt like the lord led us. And so, we went down that path,
23:08 and it didn't take too long. We signed papers, in December of well, I'll stop and say, we started the process with Ethiopia, and Jessica had found the
23:20 sibling group of 4. And I was like, 4 is not the number. That's not the more pleasing us to do. Like, that's actually currency.
23:29 Mhmm.
23:30 And I just kept praying like, god, just fix her heart. You know? It ain't 4. And all the while, he was just fixing my heart. You know? And, because her thing was they're they were older.
23:42 Like, they were roughly, like, 12, 11, 7, and 4. And so she was like, the sibling, they're gonna split them up. The oldest 2, they're gonna age out. They're gonna be kicked out of the orphanage. They're gonna be on the
23:53 street. Somebody will adopt the other 2, or they'll be split. We could take all 4. And so I just thought, she's right. I mean, I I don't know why I would say no. Like, why can't we do this? You know? So we signed
24:05 papers in, what it would have been, December of 2010. And then in February of 2011, she said I'm pregnant. And,
24:16 and
24:17 she's like
24:18 it's I mean, it's wild, and it's a beautiful story, and I wouldn't change anything now. But it is not the way I would have written it. In fact, I was I was mad on several counts. 1, why after we signed
24:29 papers to adopt? And then I didn't wanna be another I mean, you probably have listeners that have been told, if you're just faithful and adopt, I know these people that as soon as they adopted, they got pregnant.
24:42 And, yeah, that happens sometimes, but it doesn't happen all the time. And it's not that God is waiting to allow you to have biological children until you obey him and adopt. I just don't think that's how God works. And
24:52 so I was I was aggravated that we now are gonna be another example to people, well meaning people, who say hurtful things to people who are dealing with infertility. And so I was frustrated about all
25:03 sorts of things, but none of it mattered because the train was moving forward. And, she was pregnant and people were like, well, you're not gonna adopt the 4. I mean, now you're having your own kids. And it's like, we've
25:15 already made a promise to them. We've already communicated with them. Like, of course, that like, they're expecting to be adopted. And so Evie came prematurely. Our our firstborn was
25:27 born in August, and then the 4 came home from Ethiopia. 8 months later, the the following April, they came home, and Jessica was pregnant with our second or sixth, like, however you wanna count that. Wow.
25:39 And, and so Key, our our youngest, was born 7 months later. So between Evie and Key, there are 15 months, and we got 4 right in the middle. So 0 to 6 in
25:51 15 months was a wild ride to say the least.
25:55 So Yeah. Yeah. Super incredible. I mean so what would you Cause I agree. I've talked about that a little bit, Ryan, like it's, it's
26:07 not like God's just waiting for you to be content in the very thing that maybe hurts you the most. So then that he unlocks some kind of opening for you. Like,
26:19 I I think you're right. I think that sets us up for, well, why would I wanna get content with a God like that anyway? So how would you how would you talk about that? How would you kind of flesh
26:31 that out if you will?
26:33 I I don't I still don't have the answer to that, to be honest. I I know that, I know that Romans 8 28 is true, that god works all things together for the good of those who love him and are called according to his
26:45 purpose. I cling to that, and I don't know how we would have survived or sustained going through some of the things we went through had we not had 11 years
26:57 of infertility. It's 1 of those hindsight things that I don't think everybody has the you don't always get to see in the rearview
27:09 mirror what God was doing. But sometimes in his kindness, we get to look back and say, I see now what he was doing, and I wouldn't trade it. I wouldn't wanna go through infertility again with my
27:21 wife. The mother's days that, you know, that she wept, and I I picked her up and I held it together. The baby showers of her friends that
27:32 she attended and smiled and brought gifts when she longed for a I wouldn't wish that on anyone, but I wouldn't change it now. Looking back, I think God was laying a
27:44 foundation for our marriage that could sustain 6 kids in 15 months and all of the things that, you know, NICU and adopting kids from hard places who had lost their parents and all of
27:56 the stressors that come with that for them. So I wouldn't trade it, but I I think sometimes that's sort of what God is doing is he's creating a story. He's painting a a story that we wouldn't necessarily
28:09 choose for ourselves. But it's those past graces, it's that past mercy that I think gives me hope for he sustained us through that, then he will sustain us in this. Yeah.Show more
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