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Election 2024: America at the Crossroads
November 9, 2024 · 29 min
What should Christians be doing when governments fail them? Find out with hosts Tim Moore and Nathan Jones on the television program, Christ in Prophecy!
Series Christ in Prophecy November 9, 2024 · 29 min · Christ in Prophecy
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0:33 Hello again and welcome back to Christ in Prophecy! Now that the 20 24 presidential election is behind us, we can look back and realize that this year has been 1 for the record books. Between a last minute change in the0:45 Democratic candidate and multiple assassination attempts on the Republican candidate, it's been 1 wild ride.0:51 Because of the necessity to produce and distribute our Christ in Prophecy program several days before they air, we are recording today's message prior to knowing who actually won the election. Even today, Tim and I1:02 prayed earnestly for God to shed His grace once again on this land, and for His Holy Spirit to motivate the millions of professing Christians in this country to vote their biblical values. But we also recognize that His1:14 perfect will is often contrary to our stated wishes. So, we have prayed that His will will be done, and that we would keep an internal perspective. And so, to that end, we will praise Him regardless of the1:26 outcome.1:27 A few weeks ago, we began a series of programs leading up to this election. We've been clear about calling out the ungodliness in our nation and have recognized that many now celebrate abominable behavior and give1:38 hearty approval to those who also practice wickedness and flaunt their sin. But we also know that even as He heard our prayers over the past weeks and months, God already knew the outcome of this election.1:51 He knows what happened at the dawn of this world, and He knows what will happen right down through the end times. He knows each of our comings in and our goings out, from this time forth and forevermore.2:02
2:13 dimensions of this inflection moment. We've called this episode America at the Crossroads.
2:19 To be clear, this moment presents both challenges and opportunities for our nation and for individual Christians. Join us as we turn to the Word of God for some insights that are as important as
2:30 they are timeless. So, Nathan, regardless of who is in the White House, do you think that the cultural devolution that we have witnessed over these past number of years will continue.
2:41 Well, we seem to turn to politics to solve spiritual problems, but that's not the answer. The answer has always been the Church. We are the hands and feet of the Lord. The only way a country will change is if people's
2:52 hearts are changed for Jesus Christ. And whose responsibility it is, that's the Church. It doesn't matter what administration. I remember a few years back my children panicked when Joe Biden got in. They were like,
3:03 What's going to happen to our country? Because they are at the age where they were starting to understand politics. I said, I've survived Jimmy Carter. I've survived Bill Clinton. I've survived Barack Obama. And you know
3:14 he is still kind of there. You know we've survived all these things. And it doesn't matter, they will pass. The Church will go on until the Rapture. It is our job still as Christians to go out and change people's hearts
3:25 for the Lord Jesus Christ, and that will change their minds, and then they will vote and do the things that they are supposed to do as Christians.
3:32 They certainly will. You know Jesus Himself said, The gates of Hell will not prevail against My Church. And we witnessed how Paul and the other Apostles living in a terribly pagan age under Roman oppression were still
3:44 able to spread the Gospel. And so, to this point here in this country we still have that opportunity. I believe we will for a period more, even as persecution is rising. And so, responsibility is to
3:56 keep on being faithful to the Lord, and obviously sharing the good news of the Gospel. The fact that He is coming is the message we have the privilege of sharing. We are going to do that faithfully, again, regardless of
4:08 who is in the White House.
4:08 Right. And you and I haven't been as long as some people who remember what it is like to go all the way back to the thirty's and forty's. And so, you know time passes, history passes, governments pass. We read in Daniel
4:20 2 the very fact that human government, failed flaw of human government is coming to an end. It won't exist anymore when Jesus Christ returns and sets up His Kingdom on this earth. But, like we said
4:32 in the last episode, we need to be salt and light, We need to be doing the will of the Father, bringing people to Jesus Christ, and holding back evil while the times. And that hasn't changed in 2000 years. Timmy, you
4:42 think that the United States wasn't even around 300 years ago, it is kind of mind blowing to think that even though as important our politics are today they are a drop in the bucket compared to the human timeline of 6000
4:52 or so years.
4:53 Very true. You know the other reality is regardless of who our leader is, in this country the question remains, are they a reflection of the people, or does our culture, does our society become a
5:05 reflection of the leader? I think it is a little bit of both. In Scripture over and over again prophets went to leaders, they went to kings and rulers to call them out for their wicked leadership. You
5:17 spoke about last week Elijah going to Ahab and calling him out because he had allowed the prophets of Baal to multiply. He was not being faithful to the true and living God. In our day and age, I
5:28 believe sometimes we are called to speak truth even to power, meaning we call out leaders because they are leading our country astray. And yet, we know that even when there has been glimmers
5:40 of hope by a particular leader, the trajectory of our culture has still continued toward ungodliness. There has been a rise in wickedness, and at least half the country seems to support
5:52 policies and practices that Scripture declares as being abominable. And yet, that is where we are.
5:59 Well, 2 Thessalonians 2 tells us that there is a restraining influence in this world. And we believe it is the Holy Spirit's restraining work through the Church. The Lord holds evil back over the last 2000 years through
6:10 Christians praying, doing good works, sharing Christ. Again, that hasn't changed. So, yes. And I think another thing too, like you said, doesn't matter who is in the White House, who is in the Senate, who is in the
6:22 Congress, we are still as Christians called to pray for them. The Lord always wants us to pray for our leaders. You know it was very hard during the Biden years to keep praying for him because he was so corrupt and so
6:34 old, which to me was an example of kind of a twisted Uncle Sam, if you could say. If you want to say a leader represents America, half senile and corrupt. Well, that is how our nation has become. So,
6:45 very much he represented it. But you still prayed for him. Like what if the Lord brought him to salvation, the things that the Lord could do? Look at Nebuchadnezzar, I mean he had destroyed Judah and carried
6:57 off Daniel into captivity, and yet Daniel became friends with him and basically led him to the Lord through a series of events. That's why we are here.
7:05 That's why we are here. And you know what, you may say, Well, I can't get ahold of the President, or any of the high ranking officials, But who knows, but what you might have been raised up for just such a time as this,
7:15 and through a series of circumstances unforeseen by you, you may be elevated to speak truth to someone in a critical moment, just as Daniel did, just as Esther did, just as countless
7:27 others have throughout Scripture.
7:28 Joe the plumber. Joe the plumber. Joe the plumber came out of nowhere and all of a sudden he is speaking what we were all thinking.
7:35 Exactly true. Well, we often turn to Scripture to reveal truth that still resonates today. I think of Jeremiah and his declaration of impending judgment, and the fact that he recorded how it
7:47 actually fell. But it records in Jeremiah chapter 44 that the people's response was essentially, We're not going to listen to you. We are going to keep on with our abominable practices,
7:58 our idol worship. And they rejected His calls to repent and turn back. And so, here again we have labeled this particular episode America at the Crossroads, not because
8:10 we can still vote, that is already done, but because each of us still stands at a crossroads of decision. Will we turn back from whatever wicked practices we have tolerated or engaged in and
8:22 determined that from this day forward we will serve the Lord. And Nathan, that is true for those who have not yet put their trust in Christ, and those who claim to follow Him already.
8:31 I think of Moses back in Deuteronomy chapter 20 eight-thirty, his last message to the Jewish people, If you follow the Lord these blessings will fall on you. But if you don't follow the Lord here is 2 chapters of
8:42 Sometimes when people get too evil the Lord then brings the curses for the purpose of getting them to repent, to bend a knee, to return to that right relationship with the Lord.
8:54 So, while we pray for bounty and blessing on our country sometimes it has to crank up the persecution, the destruction. I think the pandemic was an example. We are facing probably an economic collapse 10, 15
9:06 years due to the outrageous spending. All these things are leading America to very dark days ahead. But that could actually be a good thing if it gets people to bow a knee, bend a knee, and give their
9:18 lives to Jesus, that could turn us around.
9:20 We talk about the Tribulation as being a time of great outpouring of God's wrath. And yet, we've discussed many times how the Tribulation itself is not just an infliction of punishment. God is not just pummeling the
9:32 world for their wickedness, although there is a righteous element of that, but there is also a motive behind God's outpouring of wrath. It is to drive people to the end of themselves so that some will finally
9:43 turn away from their wicked ways, will repent and turn to Him. So, there is a salvation motivation. There is also a key part of the Tribulation tied up with the Jewish people, also taking them to the end of
9:55 themselves so they look upon Him whom they have pierced. But if we believe that about the Tribulation, certainly we can apply that same principle to some of the sad times we've been witnessing around us today.
10:07 Are we turning back to God? Are we proverbally just shaking our fist at Heaven saying, Why aren't you blessing us? Instead of humbling ourselves before God. You know we talked recently, Nathan, about 1
10:19 Chronicles 7 14, If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves. You know folks, whether you won or lost your candidate this week, are we willing to humble ourselves and say, Lord,
10:31 in this moment what would You have for me to do, and how can I impact the world around me all the way to the national level? How can our nation be humble and look to serve the Lord?
10:41 Right, because the Lord uses the humble to achieve His accomplishments. I think of the Puritans and the Separatists who fled Europe to get away from persecution, they came to the United States, they wanted to create a
10:53 nation, a place that was like a city on a hill where people could come and worship God freely. And what was amazing about it, when a time where the Jewish people were just so hated the Puritans wanted the
11:05 Jewish people to come because they found it to be a safe place for them to get the Gospel. Well, what has the United States been over the last 200 years? It has been a safe place for the most part for the Jewish people.
11:15 Now, we see Israel is back as a nation again. The Anti Semitism is rising worldwide, and it is doing God's accomplishment, His purpose to get the Jewish people back into the land of Israel. So, we've got to expect that
11:27 there is going to be some shift in policy in the United States away from godly values to secular values to fulfill those end time requirements.
11:35 You know a verse jumped out at me recently as I was preparing for this conversation, that was from Ecclesiastes, preacher, the son of David. We think Solomon obviously wrote this. Ecclesiastes 7 10 says, Do not say,
11:47 why is it that the former days were better than these? For it is not from wisdom that you ask about this.' In other words, don't live in the past, Oh, the good old days. You know what, sometimes the good old days were
11:58 better in some ways, and in other ways they were not. We have more opportunity today to share the Gospel through the miracle of modern technology and other means. And so, right now is the time the Lord has
12:10 raised us up to be His voice to the world, or to our next door neighbor proclaiming His truth. And if we live in the past, so to speak, wishing to go back, then we are really not much good in the
12:22 present, and we won't impact the future for those around us for all eternity, Nathan.
12:27 I know you and I like Lord of the Rings, and I remember a particular line Frodo is kind of lamenting that all this terror has come, and he has to be the ring bearer and all that. And Gandalf says, Well, men
12:39 can't choose the time they were born in. We are given what we are to accomplish what needs to be accomplished. And this is the time we are living in. But hey, I'm thankful we are not living in the Civil War. We are not
12:49 living in World War I or II. During the Spanish Flu 2000000 Americans You know all these great wars that can you imagine living during the Great Depression? America has had some very rough patches. We still have it very
13:01 good, and maybe it is because the Lord has blessed us so much we really don't know what it is like to live in difficult times anymore.
13:07 We don't. You mentioned World War II. Can you imagine the Christians, those who were faithful to the Lord God living in Nazi Germany and in the occupied territories there throughout Europe? Those who were faithful to God
13:19 and were willing to trust in Him and act out upon their faith were the ones who were the righteous Gentiles, as the Jewish people called them, because they sheltered Jews, because they
13:31 helped Jews escape the Nazi death machine, and because they were willing to testify to the Lord God and live out their faith even in the face of great persecution and risk. And those are the people we revere
13:43 to this day. So, we are not quite at that level of persecution, but are we as Christians willing to rise to the occasion? And you say, Well, I don't know if I can accomplish these things. I'm reminded of Gideon when he
13:54 was visited by good example. Yeah, he is a man from a tiny tribe, and he is fearful. And it says that the Lord looked at him and said, Go in your strength, not much strength, his limited
14:05 strength, and deliver Israel from the hand of Midian. Have I not sent you? In other words, it doesn't matter how Gideon felt about himself, the fact that he was a slight man and fearful
14:17 at the time. The Lord called him, and therefore he had a task to do, and he would accomplish it if he just acted boldly as the Lord directed.
14:26 You know the great heroes of the Bible, most of them were very humble people. Think Moses, it really took a lot to get Moses to finally go and confront Pharaoh and bring. But think that thousands of years later we are
14:38 still talking about these people.
14:39 Of
14:39 course. Because they responded in faith and let the Lord work through them, their stories are still told today. And I think when we get to Heaven 1 day, we'll be sharing the stories about what the Holy Spirit did through
14:51 us throughout all eternity. And can you imagine getting to Heaven and you just cowered your entire life and hid, and hoped to get by, just squeeze in, and you have no stories to tell? But man, I don't want to go to
15:03 Heaven that way.
15:03 Who is it that said, I want to get to Heaven with my hair half on fire and skidding in because I've been running and sprinting the whole time, and they've been chasing after me, but I am on the move for Christ? You know,
15:14 Nathan, we often try to figure out where is America in Bible prophecy? Some of our viewers repeatedly ask about that question. Where are we? Is I think addressed quite often in the pages of Revelation. So,
15:26 we can find application points whether it is in the church of Ephesus when the Lord said, I have this against you, that you have left your first love. We can think about the church at Thyatira in chapter 2, verse 19 and
15:38 20 when He says, I have this against you that you tolerate. And I've spoken before how they tolerated a particular woman, Jezebel, but today we are told that we have to tolerate the absolutely
15:49 abominable instead of saying, No, you are not going to infiltrate that garbage into the minds of my children. I'm not going to give them over to indoctrination in government schools so that you can lead them
16:01 astray. I'm not going to tolerate evil. You can think about the church at Sardis in chapter 3, verse 2 and 3 where the Lord said, Wake up and strengthen that which remains and is about to die. Remember
16:13 what you have received and heard, and keep it and repent. There again, that call to turn back. Or finally, church of the latter time, Laodicea, when the Lord says, I know your deeds, but now
16:25 you are neither hot or cold. I wish that you were hot or cold, but you were only lukewarm. And that is the passage, the church at Laodicea where the Lord has actually been put out of the house and we find Him
16:36 knocking on the door to get back in. That probably describes America, but frankly there are too many Christians who if they truly were to be introspective would say, The Lord is not reigning on
16:48 the throne of my heart. I've kind of put Him out, and He may be on the outside knocking to say, Let me back in so that I can sup with you.
16:55 Know people turn to Isaiah 18, people tall and smooth of skin and say, Well, there it is, there is the United States there. And it is like, Well, wait a minute, the context is Ethiopia, so that is not the United States.
17:07 They go to Ezekiel 38 and 39, the Gog Magog War which talks about the merchants of Tarshish and their young lions. The merchants of Tarshish could have been Britain or Spain, and the young lions would have been the
17:18 colonies. That could be a reference to any of the New World, but not just in America, but all the countries in North and South America. Revelation 12, you said, Let's go to Revelation, a great eagle will come in and
17:29 rescue the Jewish Well, America has got an eagle, so therefore we are the rescuers, but we know from Old Testament that that is the Holy Spirit.
17:38 Right.
17:38 And then we read, I hear so much of this today, Revelation 18 that Babylon the Great, the Antichrist Empire is the United States. No. What we do know from Zechariah is this, that all the nations of
17:50 the world will be part of the Antichrist Empire. And all the nations of the world will come against Israel in the last days. And all the nations of the world will be destroyed when Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom.
18:00 So, although America isn't found in prophecy, I believe that we are inferred in prophecy through the fact that America as much as I love this nation has an end. Argentina has an end. Europe has an end.
18:12 China has an end. All these nations will have an end when Jesus Christ returns. And the only nations we read about in the Millennial Kingdom is Israel, Egypt, Assyria, and Russia. After that all the nations will
18:24 be reformed as the Tribulation saints' children have children, and make whole brand new nations. So, I love America, but America does have a due date.
18:33 Exactly so. And we love America, and have served here faithfully. I've been in the military, Nathan,
18:38 We have 37
18:38 over 7
18:39 years.
18:39 We relish and dearly love this nation. But our citizenship is in Heaven, and that is the distinction. I think there are so many types. We talk about Judah and Israel as types of America, and how we can learn from
18:51 the application of what the Lord did in those countries. I think Nineveh is another type. The Lord so loved the Ninevites that He sent Jonah, a very reluctant prophet, to go and warn them that judgment is coming,
19:03 destruction is about to rain down, and his very unseeker sensitive message was, Y'all are going to die. And yet, the Ninevites recognized it was a word of the Lord, they did repent, and he relented of
19:15 that judgment until yet another generation rose up and went back to their wicked ways, and then judgment fell.
19:21 You bring a good point because Nineveh at the time that was the head of the Assyrian Empire, the Assyrians were horrifically evil. I mean they were spooky scary evil. And what they did to the people they conquered by
19:32 stripping them naked, shaving them, sticking a needle through their backs or their nose, and marching them hundreds of miles into captivity, I could see why Jonah was scared of the Ninevites. So, when you compare the
19:43 Ninevites to America I don't think we are at that level yet. And yet, when God sent a prophet to them the king repented, and for 150 years the people stayed repented until Nahum's time.
19:55 You know that could happen to America, I hope.
19:57 It could. You know Terry Cooper made a point at our conference this year that the thing the Lord finally condemned Israel and Judah for was their idol worship and their sacrifice of children. And our country
20:09 has been worshiping every other kind of God except the true and living God. And we have a whole political party, as well as about half of our population that celebrates the murder of unborn children. They call it choice,
20:21 but really it is a false god that has led to the destruction of millions. So, I think the Lord's judgment is rightfully upon this nation, and we may have witnessed a bearing out of that
20:33 judgment this week in the election. But there still remains. How should Christians respond regardless of the circumstances, regardless of who occupies the White House, or any other aspect of
20:44 eternal challenge and trial that we have to live through?
20:48 Well, I think we need to first fix ourselves. If you are a Christian you need to be following Jesus Christ. You need to be getting rid of the things that are pulling you away from Him, the life of sin, and get right in
20:59 line with the biblical Jesus. And then we start with ourselves. And then we move to our families. What is it in our families that Satan will always attack the family because that is the foundational institution of any
21:11 solid nation? What are we doing with our families? Our divorce rate is as high as secular divorce rate, What are we doing about that? What are we doing to get rid of the porn, and the theft, and the
21:22 stealing, and the abortion, everything that is in our so we fix the family, we make it nuclear, so to And then we use that energy to go out on the local level and be salt and light in the local level, and then move up
21:34 and through the politics and make a difference. Again, the end goal isn't the politics per se, but it is again to be the salt and light that the Lord has called us to be as Christians.
21:41 You know Doctor. David Reagan, our founder original evangelist here at Lamb and Lion Ministries wrote a tremendously powerful book called, America's Suicide. And I know that it harkens to the
21:53 trajectory we are on as a nation. But even in this book which categorizes and describes all the trends that we see around us, it also offers great hope that we who are followers of Christ can be
22:05 beacons of light in this dark age. And so, Nathan, we've been sharing this for the last few weeks. Obviously, if our viewers would like to get a copy you can call the number on the screen or visit our website and you can
22:16 for 15 dollars get a copy of America's Suicide. It will actually encourage you, or 1 that you love, a family member, a friend, that in this dark age we know where
22:28 our hope is, and we can be beacons of truth, beacons of light. Think about driving down the road, if you came across a bridge and a man was standing on the edge ready to commit suicide, as a Christian, what would you do?
22:40 You'd stop. Would try to encourage him, and you would explain the hope that is within you, and that in Christ He can have hope to step back from the edge of the bridge, to turn His back on despair
22:52 and hopelessness because we have the blessed hope.
22:56 It is a hard hitting book, it is hard to read, but I think it is so insightful because it helps us understand where America's place is on the prophetic timeline, and how we are supposed to respond to our call to serve
23:07 the Lord Jesus Christ as salt and light to the world. So, I think that is 1 of Doctor. Reagan's best books.
23:11 I really do too. And again, when we first heard about the title, and even saw the picture we were curious about how he would bring out hope. But it is a hope filled because only in Christ
23:23 can America have hope, or any of us as individuals have hope. And the truth is, Nathan, that even as our land, regardless of who is in the White House continues to hearken toward darkness, That is what Scripture
23:35 says will happen. And yet, we who know the truth are called to be beacons of light in a darkening world. And quite frankly, the darker it gets the easier it is for the light to shine. And there are going to be so
23:47 many people groping in the darkness looking for hope, looking for light that we are raised up for such a time as this.
23:54 Yes, what exciting times to live in as Christians, you know. It is a time to stand up and do what is right, and be that beacon of hope.
24:00 And be that beacon of hope. You know, going into this program, we realized that half the country will feel traumatized and anxious in the days following November fifth, and the other half will be tempted to gloat and
24:10 double down on their disdain for their fellow citizens on the other side of the political divide.
24:16 It has been predicted that if Donald Trump wins, the Left will become unglued and lash out with violence and destruction that makes 20 16 look benign by comparison. And if Kamala Harris wins, well, the Right will soak
24:28 and stew and wonder how much longer the Union can survive.
24:31 Obviously, we pray that reasonable voices will prevail, and that some form of national healing will occur. That may take years, or only happen as a result of an external threat or national tragedy, neither of which
24:43 we hope for or want. I do hope that we have challenged you to consider your reaction to this election and what the next 4 years will bring. It is 1 thing to decry the state of our nation or the
24:54 intransigence of the other side or the steady march our culture is on to match the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah? But if Daniel's prophetic word is valid, we know that even as the end times loom, the people
25:06 who know their God will display strength and take action.
25:10 Last week we encouraged you to take the important action of voting, letting your vote be your voice for biblical values and Christian principles. Now, it is time to get back to work seeking the welfare of this pagan
25:20 land. It is time to express confidence in the rock of our salvation, and hope in the promises He has given us. It is time to raise our children and grandchildren, to serve the Lord steadfastly as He
25:32 tarries. And it is time to give an answer for the hope that is in us, Jesus Christ our Lord.
25:37 If your heart is gladdened by the result of this election, praise the Lord. If your heart was saddened by the result and struggling with anxiety over what lies ahead, determine to praise the Lord in spite of your
25:49 feelings. He is still in control, He is still on the throne, and Jesus is still coming soon. Brothers and sisters in Christ, we stand at a crossroads. Will we speak of fear and give
26:01 voice to anxiety, beating our children and grandchildren with ashes and belying our claim to resolute faith? Or, will we choose to live by faith and praise Him regardless of our circumstances,
26:13 bearing testimony that our assurance is unshaken? And, will we share our blessed hope with all who are being ground down in this godless age and point them to our great God and
26:24 Savior. The signs of the times are shouting that Jesus is at the gates of heaven, waiting for His Father to say, Go and get your bride, the Church! And when He comes for us, every pain, every heartache, every tear
26:36 will be forgotten. We will be gathered to Him, given glorified bodies, and come back to earth with Christ when He returns. There will be no more politics or elections, because He will reign from Mount Zion in
26:48 Jerusalem with a rod of iron. Jesus says there are only 2 paths in this life. 1 leads to everlasting destruction, and 1 leads to eternal life. If you have not trusted Jesus Christ as
27:00 your Savior, you are at a crossroads. Call on Him right now, then join us in glorifying the risen Christ who ascended into heaven and is coming again. What America needs is a
27:12 great spiritual awakening. What each of us need is an awareness of the imminence of Jesus' return. If we grasp the urgency of this moment and individual lives seek to glorify Him all across
27:24 this land, there is still hope for America yet. Godspeed!
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