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Why School Fails ADHD Kids (and What Parents Can Do) | S3E12 BEYOND I DO PODCAST
January 1, 2026 · 57 min
After walking through their family’s recent experience with an ADHD diagnosis, they unpack the frustrations many parents and adults feel toward the education system and its one-size-fits-all approach to learning. Adam shares his own journey with ADHD, how school nearly convinced him he wasn’t capable, and why discipline—not excuses—became the key to thriving in adulthood.Together, they talk through practical disciplines they’ve found helpful for both children and adults with ADHD, the dangers of turning diagnoses into crutches, and how to advocate for your child without lowering expectations. This episode isn’t anti-medication or anti-school—it’s pro-wisdom, pro-discipline, and pro-understanding how God uniquely wires people to thrive.Whether you’re parenting a child with ADHD, navigating it yourself, or simply trying to build better rhythms in the new year, this conversation brings clarity, hope, and a lot of real-life perspective.--Join our AFTER I DO community for Exclusive Content & community!www.afterido.app--Have a question about relationships? Ask us by clicking the link below!https://patria.church.ai/form/BeyondIdo_BEYOND I DO: MARRIAGE COURSEhttps://beyondido.thinkific.com/courses/beyond-I-do--Connect with Adam & Ashlee Mesahttps://instagram.com/amesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==https://instagram.com/ashleemesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==--Don't forget to stay connected with us: Instagram @beyond.idoTik Tok @beyond.ido--We've entered into an exciting new partnership with renowned jeweler Erin Barnett in Los Angeles. This partnership perfectly aligns with our love for relationships and jewelry. Whether you're looking for a special gift, an engagement ring, or a wedding band, Erin has you covered. And as part of the Beyond I Do community, you get exclusive discounts and the opportunity for a private showroom experience. It's time to celebrate your love with exquisite jewelry from our partner, Erin Barnett.How to get the exclusive discount?SEND HIM A DM and tell him you are part of the BEYOND I DO family or mention Adam Mesa. https://www.instagram.com/by.barnett/?hl=enhttps://bybarnett.com
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Article · 7 min read ADHD and School: What One Couple Learned Raising a Son With ADHD Pastor Adam Mesa and his wife Ashley talk about their son's ADHD diagnosis, how school made Adam feel, and why they believe discipline and patience belong together. January 1, 2026 · 57 min · Beyond the Letter
After walking through their family’s recent experience with an ADHD diagnosis, they unpack the frustrations many parents and adults feel toward the education system and its one-size-fits-all approach to learning. Adam shares his own journey with ADHD, how school nearly convinced him he wasn’t capable, and why discipline—not excuses—became the key to thriving in adulthood.Together, they talk through practical disciplines they’ve found helpful for both children and adults with ADHD, the dangers of turning diagnoses into crutches, and how to advocate for your child without lowering expectations. This episode isn’t anti-medication or anti-school—it’s pro-wisdom, pro-discipline, and pro-understanding how God uniquely wires people to thrive.Whether you’re parenting a child with ADHD, navigating it yourself, or simply trying to build better rhythms in the new year, this conversation brings clarity, hope, and a lot of real-life perspective.--Join our AFTER I DO community for Exclusive Content & community!www.afterido.app--Have a question about relationships? Ask us by clicking the link below!https://patria.church.ai/form/BeyondIdo_BEYOND I DO: MARRIAGE COURSEhttps://beyondido.thinkific.com/courses/beyond-I-do--Connect with Adam & Ashlee Mesahttps://instagram.com/amesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==https://instagram.com/ashleemesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==--Don't forget to stay connected with us: Instagram @beyond.idoTik Tok @beyond.ido--We've entered into an exciting new partnership with renowned jeweler Erin Barnett in Los Angeles. This partnership perfectly aligns with our love for relationships and jewelry. Whether you're looking for a special gift, an engagement ring, or a wedding band, Erin has you covered. And as part of the Beyond I Do community, you get exclusive discounts and the opportunity for a private showroom experience. It's time to celebrate your love with exquisite jewelry from our partner, Erin Barnett.How to get the exclusive discount?SEND HIM A DM and tell him you are part of the BEYOND I DO family or mention Adam Mesa. https://www.instagram.com/by.barnett/?hl=enhttps://bybarnett.com ...more Show the full description Show less After walking through their family’s recent experience with an ADHD diagnosis, they unpack the frustrations many parents and adults feel toward the education system and its one-size-fits-all approach to learning. Adam shares his own journey with ADHD, how school nearly convinced him he wasn’t capable, and why discipline—not excuses—became the key to thriving in adulthood.Together, they talk through practical disciplines they’ve found helpful for both children and adults with ADHD, the dangers of turning diagnoses into crutches, and how to advocate for your child without lowering expectations. This episode isn’t anti-medication or anti-school—it’s pro-wisdom, pro-discipline, and pro-understanding how God uniquely wires people to thrive.Whether you’re parenting a child with ADHD, navigating it yourself, or simply trying to build better rhythms in the new year, this conversation brings clarity, hope, and a lot of real-life perspective.--Join our AFTER I DO community for Exclusive Content & community!www.afterido.app--Have a question about relationships? Ask us by clicking the link below!https://patria.church.ai/form/BeyondIdo_BEYOND I DO: MARRIAGE COURSEhttps://beyondido.thinkific.com/courses/beyond-I-do--Connect with Adam & Ashlee Mesahttps://instagram.com/amesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==https://instagram.com/ashleemesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==--Don't forget to stay connected with us: Instagram @beyond.idoTik Tok @beyond.ido--We've entered into an exciting new partnership with renowned jeweler Erin Barnett in Los Angeles. This partnership perfectly aligns with our love for relationships and jewelry. Whether you're looking for a special gift, an engagement ring, or a wedding band, Erin has you covered. And as part of the Beyond I Do community, you get exclusive discounts and the opportunity for a private showroom experience. It's time to celebrate your love with exquisite jewelry from our partner, Erin Barnett.How to get the exclusive discount?SEND HIM A DM and tell him you are part of the BEYOND I DO family or mention Adam Mesa. https://www.instagram.com/by.barnett/?hl=enhttps://bybarnett.com
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0:12 We good, Andy? Look at look at that. What shirt does he have? Let me no. Let me see.0:20 Turn it.0:20 Come here. Come here. Let's see. You got Japanese Star Wars, but it's the it's the hair I'm really curious about right now, though. What's what's what's going on with that, Andy? Needed a haircut. Okay.0:32 Add a new So yeah. Need a little bit of So when when are we gonna take care of that little haircut? Probably when I thought that was the style. When I get paid.0:40 Christmas is over? Yes. He's like, I spent all my money on my girlfriend.0:45 All my money on presents. You spent all your money on presents? Yeah. So I need I need and my car needs some Dude, I will how much is a haircut? Like A haircut and a perm would probably be, like, 1000:56 and something combined. 100 and something behind?1:00 Combined. Combined.1:01 I'm a put 100 dollars towards it. Hey. So you can get that thing done. Need a1:06 haircut too.1:07 You're talking about my yeah. Nancy's like, better.1:09 Nancy's like, look. I didn't do I didn't do my my hairs in a bun.1:12 Listen. My hairs in a braid. Listen. Human resources ain't gonna let me criticize your look at all, Nancy, but I could go on Andy right now. This is this is I'm switching pastoral. This is nothing to do with work. This1:24 is a pastoral, yeah, show show that self approved. Get that hair taken care of, bro. I'm a give you 100 dollars tomorrow. Make your appointment. Okay. I'll schedule it. Do you know?
1:35 Yeah. Go on.
1:36 He's a handsome man. He's a handsome man. We just gotta keep that up to date. We just gotta keep that.
1:41 Was I was like, keep that over here.
1:43 Yeah. Keep the hair keep the hair nice. Keep the keep the the facial hair. I wouldn't call it a beard yet. The facial hair. As far as it goes. Yep. I just need a dermal roller or something. Yeah. That's a dermal roller.
1:56 Gotta provoke it today. Stop chewing in the mic. No 1 wants to hear that.
2:00 Well, you're still in your teens. It'll take some time. Yeah. You're not even 20 yet.
2:05 No. Really?
2:06 Yeah. About to be. About to be 20. Probably by, like, you're 25, you'll get the full It'll grow full up. Yeah. TikTok was, like, 26. Then I got as full of a beard as I can.
2:18 Yeah. Well done, Andy. Well
2:20 Thank you. This is the new year.
2:21 Let's new year, new you haircut.
2:26 Happy New Year. Get
2:29 perm. Get that perm updated, my boy. I like so I love about this generation, though. He just he just says it no pro I just oh, I gotta get a new perm. I couldn't imagine at
2:41 19.
2:42 Oh, if you would have said that,
2:43 I would've been like And he looks great with it. But it's like like every kid does it nowadays. But it's like, you couldn't say that in 2009.
2:52 No. Because I I can't say what I would wanna say. You couldn't say
2:55 that in 0 6, 0 7.
2:57 I'd like
2:57 oh, yeah. If you say, hey. I love your hair all.
3:00 It's a perm. They'd be like I'd be like
3:02 tape your down your beard and your hair.
3:05 Tape your beard down? What does that mean? Have you seen those videos? Like, oh, with fake fake beards. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Right. Real. Yeah. Yeah. You could add fake beards and stuff like that. Don't do that, Andy.
3:16 You do everything else. Don't do that. Natural.
3:20 Yeah. Don't paint your nails.
3:21 Why are
3:21 you looking so judgy? I there's things I would like to say.
3:24 Start painting your nails, boy.
3:26 Yeah. That's we don't have conversation. Why? My faces are just saying what like, if you're watching, you know what my face is saying, and you could just think the thoughts that I'm thinking. Andy just sat down to
3:37 direct, so I don't think we were able to see you. I don't know. What shot were we on? Me and Ashley both? Oh, then they probably would have been able to see your face.
3:43 Yeah.
3:44 We could see them facial expressions you make from a mile away.
3:48 Yeah. I if you if you ever
3:50 Stevie Wonder knows what facial
3:51 expressions you make him. He does. He definitely does. Alize is dying.
4:00 Alize is gone. Alize got 1 of the best laughs.
4:06 She really does. She does she does she does look.
4:10 We don't even have to have a mic to hear her loud. Nope.
4:12 We can hear it. Oh, my ring broke. Which
4:17 1?
4:17 This 1. That's real.
4:21 Right? I bought you that. It's not fake, is it? That's real.
4:24 Well, you better take it back to him.
4:26 Let me see.
4:27 I'm trying
4:27 Well, no. You're just rough with your stuff. You just anyways, I'll let you figure that out. We'll look at it. What's what's what are we what are we doing right now? What are we broken.
4:41 Yeah. What is this?
4:42 Let me see.
4:43 Look. You gotta go with this. Just don't pull it too hard. So
4:48 Okay. Oh, yeah. That's just it just got brutal. You did something.
4:52 I wore it every day.
4:53 You wore it every day.
4:56 Yeah. Can you fix it?
4:57 I'll take of course. Of course. It's just yeah. It's not strong. We can just he can fix it. Yep. We'll take it to the jeweler. Shout out to Aaron Barnett. Bye, Barnett.
5:09 It's just a dainty ring. That can happen if you're if you Ashley works out with all her stuff on and everything. So she just miss rough miss rough with all her stuff. Hey, everybody. Welcome to Beyond I Do. Thanks for
5:20 joining us. Good to see you. Is this our New Year's Day episode, Nancy? Is this January first that this drops?
5:29 Yes.
5:30 She's like, I don't know. Yes.
5:31 Yes.
5:31 It is?
5:32 It's January first. Happy New Year. 20 26. Boom, baby. Yes. Oh. What's your New Year's resolution? Ew.
5:44 To not hear you sing happy New Year again. Like, how was I about to go again? She's she's about to go. She's gonna walk out.
5:57 That would be great if you could you okay, I was saying?
6:04 Okay. What else? I'm going It's about you, not for me. Like, I don't need you to have anything for me. I'm good.
6:11 No. That was for me. I know. You could you when you're by yourself, you could sing it all you want. Just collectively as a as as a as a as a congregation, we we're okay. We don't need to we
6:23 don't need to hear it. Anyways New Year's resolution. New Year's resolution? Yeah. I don't think in terms of that. So
6:35 I don't resolve. You know? I don't I don't resolution. But if I had to do 1 I don't resolution. But but I
6:47 will say, I mean, you and I are we're doing, you know, we're doing something together in terms of probably, it's more of has been a resolution for you than it has been for me. I pushed on him. But no. But
6:59 me so me and Ashley, as of next week, we'll start our master's degree together. Mhmm. We're gonna do it together with some of our friends. We're gonna do a cohort together at Life Pacific
7:10 University. Shout out LPU. We're gonna be all working on our master's of theology. So it's gonna take us 2 years to do our masters of theology, and then you guys will finish, and I'll go straight
7:22 into my doctorate. Mhmm. And Do you are
7:25 you doing that just so you have more than me?
7:28 You're so confused.
7:29 I'm doing it because everybody thinks I'm stupid. No. I'm just playing. No. I'm doing it because
7:37 Why? I mean, I already have my master's, so I would just be a double master.
7:42 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You you would. You would. Yeah. You would. Congratulations, Ashley. You guys all it all shows on you guys every day. All your guys is genius. You guys accomplish so
7:54 much. Yeah. So we're gonna do our masters of theology together. Oh. And doing it with some of our some of our our my some of my homies, Heron
8:06 and Gabriel, and then whoever else is in that cohort. So we're doing that. That's been something you really wanna do. You wanna go learn more about the bible. You wanna go deeper in the bible.
8:15 Yes.
8:17 You know, I've always wanted to finish my degrees due due to trauma. And so, no. The short story was I think you know this, but I was in
8:27 2018, I was invited for a symposium in the country of Azerbaijan. It's in the Middle East. It's next to Armenia
8:39 and Iran. It borders Iran. And there was a big miscommunication. So I was there representing all millennials, like pastors, evangelical pastors. There was like there was like 6 of us invited,
8:51 And they grabbed some wrong resume from me online. They never asked for it, but the country went and found some old thing of, like, me just being, like, a
9:03 student's pastor or something like that. And, basically, he had 3 of us wait in the vehicle because none of us were educated on paper, and we didn't have degrees. So
9:15 we wait in the car. They go meet the president, photo op and all that stuff like that. And then after somehow he references, not me, but our, you know, where was the young
9:26 individual that's supposed to be here, etcetera, etcetera. And the team was like his team was like, oh, we excluded them because we thought they were invited because they weren't educated. It was something along that
9:37 line. Now I was there for, like, 5 days, so I still had to speak at the symposium. Later on, got to meet him and stuff like that. It was a huge miscommunication. But, essentially, at first, I wasn't invited to meet him
9:48 because I didn't have degrees. I wasn't educated. And all the people that did, it was like this assumption that only the the ones with degrees were were educated enough to to to to meet the
10:00 meet the president who invited me. So after that, I thought, well, there is a world of people that degrees matter. And I'm on the board of a university, like Pacific University, and I'm I'm the only 1 with with an
10:10 unfinished degree. And so Mhmm. Basically, what I did was I wrote I had to write I had to write like, a mini book of of my life experience
10:22 proving that I've earned a BA with life and basically a bachelor's with life because I only have 10 credits left. So I got awarded that and then now awarded the opportunity to to pass that to then just jump into a
10:33 master's, which accreditation standards, like, let certain amount of people do that. So, yeah, essentially, that's what happened. I was like, I always want to get my degree because there is a cluster of people that
10:44 that's import important to. It's not particularly important to me in that sense. I like learning things, and I imagine I'll do that. But I I wanna I wanna be able to reach
10:56 as many people as possible. So if 1 day having a degree or doctorate helps, some people open up, you know, more to me because of my education, then I'll do it. You know?
11:08 So that's why I did it. That's why I'm doing it. Why are you doing it, Ashley?
11:13 To learn the Bible. Okay.
11:16 Good job, Elmo.
11:18 My goodness. Yeah. I've been trying for the last 2 years. Literally, I started Yeah.
11:25 This is your third seminary.
11:26 This is my third seminary. Literally. I've applied 3 to but I've got accepted all 3.
11:33 So You did. Yeah. You got accepted in all of
11:35 all 3 of them. Did. So I'm excited about that. So we're doing that together. Not another New Year's not not New Year's resolution, but I know that you and I had talked about, like, changes we and habits we wanna start
11:47 incorporating into because our lives are always so much on the go. We're either here, we're traveling, or we're doing late night meetings, and so we eat
11:58 frequently out. And because I know you guys most of you guys know I say, like, I don't cook, like, at all. And so, at the top of the year, I was telling Adam just not only for him and
12:10 I, but also for me and the for the boys from Matthias and Thomas that we start to create more healthy habits, that they're not because I grew up basically
12:21 being obviously very athletic, and I could I worked out so hard I could eat whatever I
12:27 want. Mhmm.
12:28 So now we're we have such a busy life, and we try to still incorporate the sports and everything like that for the boys to have an active life as well, but we find ourselves on the road a lot. So eating out a lot is just
12:38 the easiest thing. I was telling you when you were like, I agree. Myself or me because I'm a snacker and so is Matthias to not buy as much unhealthy snacks, have more
12:50 alternatives, better solutions, better options. Because our boys have a very good palate. They they it's very hard to not for them not to like something. They'll try anything new too that we put in front of
13:02 them. Excuse me. And so for the New Year, I I believe I told you, like, more less processed food was was what I was trying to gather just for our family. Just to have a healthier
13:14 lifestyle and better choices. So, like, you know, like, for our boys after 7, no more chips, snacks, or anything. It's either the what is it? The 5 calorie popsicles that they will tear apart or the the sugar free
13:26 and then fruit. Yep. So we try to try to navigate in that way. So that's at the top of the year when I wanna be better at because I am a snack or a hot Cheeto girl all day, chips, candy, all the all
13:38 the fun stuff. So You are.
13:40 You
13:40 are. But and you're not. So that's No. It's not fun to do it alone. So I guess I gotta change.
13:44 You still do it. You've done it for 12 years. So well, I believe it will change, but but, yeah, you definitely have done done that. No problem while I while I haven't done that. I
13:56 just feel like the meal is so special, and I'm not gonna ruin it an hour before and get full off some chips. I want I wanna enjoy whatever it is I'm gonna enjoy, whether it's healthy or unhealthy. It's like, I'm not
14:08 gonna I'm like, why are you breathing so hard in the microphone?
14:10 It would Because my microphone's so
14:12 loud. Not so loud.
14:15 Yeah. That's literally why it is. So I literally was just breathing normal. I didn't even hear it until you said it, and then I was like, oh, because Sammy who sits here literally can't hear and he sees his ears checked,
14:24 but ears waxed. Like, I literally just like
14:26 loud too. No. That's that's a that's a loud breath. That's a loud breath. Yeah. My New Year's resolution is is to teach you how to breathe when you communicate in a microphone.
14:38 Bet you if I turned it down, wouldn't be able to hear it.
14:40 Yes. I well, that, Yeah. Because then I the mic Point. Headphones would be low.
14:45 Super loud, and I can hear
14:47 my telling people right now, hey. If you're in your car, just lower your volume and not hear this.
14:52 Literally. Literally. Don't hear me breathe.
14:54 That'll be a good fix.
14:55 I thought I was gonna do well with it being this loud. See, clearly, I can't even breathe. I couldn't even drink the water. It's literally like
15:01 No. It's not Ashley. Ashley, it's not the volume of the microphone.
15:05 Yes. It is. Or or the headset. Yeah. It is.
15:07 It's it's the it's the rate at which you're breathing.
15:10 Can I live? Can I can I be alive?
15:13 Yeah. Yeah. You can. You could do that through your nose. Through your nose. That'd be like, hey. Y'all were here when we were doing voiceovers recently, and Ashley was she was breathing really
15:25 heavy right now.
15:27 Nancy, how many times does he always have to,
15:29 like, go out in the new 1? It's January first.
15:32 New season of fresh. Would not be nice. That definitely will never be in my medical college. Absolutely not.
15:39 Let's start off fresh. Okay. So it's January first. Fresh start right now. 1 2 3.
15:46 Right here. You Fresh start. I could still hear myself.
15:48 No. You can't do that. You can't talk like that. But you could push it away when you're breathing. That would be great. That's all
15:55 the time.
15:55 My ADHD can't handle that. Oh my god.
15:58 Can you lower it?
16:00 Yeah. So no. Lowering it's not gonna fix it.
16:02 He's never heard me breathe in his life until today when it's on blast.
16:06 We recently recorded, and I did tell you about your breathing.
16:09 You were just fixated on me, you wanted to pay pinpoint every little
16:12 thing because you're the mister professional. You can do it all good. Do what
16:15 I want to. You don't got no mistake. Could you just read it like a sentence without the period? You gotta take a breath.
16:20 That's not how you normally read.
16:21 Just read it like that.
16:22 It's January first. I thought you were gonna be nice to me.
16:25 No. That wasn't in my New
16:26 Year's resolution.
16:28 Definitely didn't.
16:29 Was to choose more of your white side. That's what you told me. You said you said
16:33 I'm gonna start embracing a
16:37 little I'm a be a little nicer. I'll embrace my
16:39 So what white side? Mary Beth Elliott white or Like
16:44 like God. It was like a like a nice woman from TV. Like, 1 of those. You know? Like the
16:54 Half the time, I think I am just Mary Beth Elliott. So
16:58 Yeah. Maybe so. You're breathing again. So Yeah. No. So New Year's resolutions, we got yeah. For other people too, they're working on
17:10 it. Normally, it's people go healthy living. We got our boys, try to get them to start stop snacking as much. We have we we you and I started our master's degrees.
17:23 We started a new campus in Newport Beach. You and I are gonna be doing that. And then we have new rhythms for, like, our our I don't think we shared on the show, but, like, recent recently, our
17:34 oldest got, like, officially diagnosed with ADHD. So we went through the the, you know, the system with the schools and the doctors and the testings and all that stuff like that. And so he got diagnosed inattentive ADHD,
17:46 which is what I have. And so we we work and obviously operate very differently. We're choosing non medicated route. And so that that's a whole that's probably more of a shift
17:58 for you than it is for me because it's like with him, I'm just looking in a mirror and he doesn't really it doesn't really annoy me. Other things annoy me, like, not of the boys, but just in general, but, like, talking
18:08 to another person with ADHD doesn't really doesn't really bother me. So, you know, for you, that's more of, like, what you're actively learning right now and reading about and, like, sending each other stuff
18:20 on on how to how to communicate with him best. Mhmm. You know? And and get him to participate in disciplines, which is still important. A lot of people with parents sometimes with ADHD
18:32 is like, oh, it's driving me nuts. I just let him do whatever, and it creates bad when as they become adults, it creates bad disciplines.
18:39 Right.
18:39 And so still making sure that he has strong disciplines even though he goes interest interest interest interest Right. All that stuff like that, while our youngest is, non ADHD at all. Very, very attentive.
18:51 Right.
18:51 Remembers everything. Soup, you know, super rare to his surroundings where Matthias, the oldest, not so much. Right. So working through that with him right now, and I know a lot of
19:03 parents, people you know, we talk about it pretty often between beyond the letter and beyond I do. But I think because probably a lot of parents deal with it and adults deal with some form of ADD, ADHD, but a lot of it
19:15 goes undiagnosed. So for a lot of people, it's on it's theorized. It's I think it's I think I have this. I think my kid has this. And you and I, we just took the route of, like, we're not gonna we're not gonna presume
19:26 we're not gonna speak something over our son unless it's confirmed, and then we will, you know, use wisdom by the Lord's grace to help him where where he needs to be needed. You know?
19:38 We're not gonna say he has something and then, like, come to find out he grows up, he never had it, but we had been saying it for 10 years. You know? Right. Because I meet people all the time. They're like, I have ADHD.
19:49 I'm like, I have ADHD. I don't think you have ADHD. Right. You know, like, or you just have a light version of it. And then I meet other people. I'm like, oh, yeah. You might need to Yeah. Might need to look at some
19:59 options. So Yeah. Because I
20:02 think it's, I I experienced this when I worked with special needs when I was living in Chicago. Just seeing the difference of how how parents are so engaged
20:13 in their kids learning and obviously knowing if their kids have autisms, learning deficits, whatever it may be. I felt like when I lived in Chicago, it wasn't parents
20:25 weren't scared that their kids had had differences. They they were very much taking their kids out in public, very much open about it, very much I need help, very much leaning onShow more
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