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Learning from Church History | S3E50 BEYOND THE LETTER PODCAST
September 22, 2025 · 1 hr 7 min
In this episode of Beyond the Letter, Pastor Adam and the team take us on a journey through the rich history of the Church. From standing during the reading of Scripture to the rhythms of communion, the conversation invites us to reflect on how ancient traditions and practices can still shape our worship today.This isn’t just a history lesson—it’s an invitation to root ourselves deeper in the timeless truths of our faith. By exploring the unity and diversity that has characterized Christian worship across two millennia, we’re encouraged to be curious, reflective, and intentional in how we live out our faith in the present. How can our current practices connect us more meaningfully to God and to the global family of believers across time?--Connect with:Pastor Adam Mesa https://www.instagram.com/amesa/Pastor Sammy https://www.instagram.com/samuelmrod/--Don't forget to stay connected with us:Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4OvpFp9OB9_DgVdVVbXhFgInstagram https://www.instagram.com/beyond.theletter/Tik Tok https://www.tiktok.com/discover/beyond-the-letter--Get Aaron Levy's book, JOHN: 21 Daily Drips of Dialogue: https://a.co/d/7lGB90i--Have a question? Submit it TODAY, by clicking the link below! ***SUBMIT YOUR QUESTION HERE: https://patria.church.ai/form/BeyondtheLetterQA--Get to know the team:@amesa https://www.instagram.com/amesa/@verlonbakerofficial https://www.instagram.com/verlonbakerofficial/@nancysnavas https://www.instagram.com/nancysnavas/@alizee.kayy https://www.instagram.com/alizee.kayy/@andytakesl https://www.instagram.com/andytakesl/
Series Beyond the Letter September 22, 2025 · 1 hr 7 min · Beyond the Letter
In this episode of Beyond the Letter, Pastor Adam and the team take us on a journey through the rich history of the Church. From standing during the reading of Scripture to the rhythms of communion, the conversation invites us to reflect on how ancient traditions and practices can still shape our worship today.This isn’t just a history lesson—it’s an invitation to root ourselves deeper in the timeless truths of our faith. By exploring the unity and diversity that has characterized Christian worship across two millennia, we’re encouraged to be curious, reflective, and intentional in how we live out our faith in the present. How can our current practices connect us more meaningfully to God and to the global family of believers across time?--Connect with:Pastor Adam Mesa https://www.instagram.com/amesa/Pastor Sammy https://www.instagram.com/samuelmrod/--Don't forget to stay connected with us:Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4OvpFp9OB9_DgVdVVbXhFgInstagram https://www.instagram.com/beyond.theletter/Tik Tok https://www.tiktok.com/discover/beyond-the-letter--Get Aaron Levy's book, JOHN: 21 Daily Drips of Dialogue: https://a.co/d/7lGB90i--Have a question? Submit it TODAY, by clicking the link below! ***SUBMIT YOUR QUESTION HERE: https://patria.church.ai/form/BeyondtheLetterQA--Get to know the team:@amesa https://www.instagram.com/amesa/@verlonbakerofficial https://www.instagram.com/verlonbakerofficial/@nancysnavas https://www.instagram.com/nancysnavas/@alizee.kayy https://www.instagram.com/alizee.kayy/@andytakesl https://www.instagram.com/andytakesl/ ...more Show the full description Show less In this episode of Beyond the Letter, Pastor Adam and the team take us on a journey through the rich history of the Church. From standing during the reading of Scripture to the rhythms of communion, the conversation invites us to reflect on how ancient traditions and practices can still shape our worship today.This isn’t just a history lesson—it’s an invitation to root ourselves deeper in the timeless truths of our faith. By exploring the unity and diversity that has characterized Christian worship across two millennia, we’re encouraged to be curious, reflective, and intentional in how we live out our faith in the present. How can our current practices connect us more meaningfully to God and to the global family of believers across time?--Connect with:Pastor Adam Mesa https://www.instagram.com/amesa/Pastor Sammy https://www.instagram.com/samuelmrod/--Don't forget to stay connected with us:Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4OvpFp9OB9_DgVdVVbXhFgInstagram https://www.instagram.com/beyond.theletter/Tik Tok https://www.tiktok.com/discover/beyond-the-letter--Get Aaron Levy's book, JOHN: 21 Daily Drips of Dialogue: https://a.co/d/7lGB90i--Have a question? Submit it TODAY, by clicking the link below! ***SUBMIT YOUR QUESTION HERE: https://patria.church.ai/form/BeyondtheLetterQA--Get to know the team:@amesa https://www.instagram.com/amesa/@verlonbakerofficial https://www.instagram.com/verlonbakerofficial/@nancysnavas https://www.instagram.com/nancysnavas/@alizee.kayy https://www.instagram.com/alizee.kayy/@andytakesl https://www.instagram.com/andytakesl/
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2:01 Your eyes out.
2:02 Yeah. Yeah. And it's and it because they're so close, they worsen your vision more, etcetera, etcetera. So I'm like, okay. I got these really dope frameless glasses and blah blah blah. And then they came, and kid you
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2:48 Like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, roosters, he's been gone for a week, like, at the at the kennel. He hasn't seen you? He has, like, attachment issues now with me. He doesn't wanna
3:00 yeah. He hasn't been listening for, like, the 3 days I've had him. He just Yeah. He's just like, no. I'm gonna go wherever you're at. That's what I'm gonna Yeah. I like that. I I I hate that about my glass. And then 1
3:10 day, I was just like, oh, I just need, like, a, like, a nighttime pair of glasses. Right? Like, just I need a pair of repeaters. Right? Yeah. Like, I take my contacts out. Could just wear them around the house. So then
3:21 they're like, okay. Well, we we can do them relatively cheap because, you know, the amount that they shrink them, it costs more and more money. So they're like, so you just you know, if you're just gonna have, like, a
3:30 nighttime reader, then they don't need to have, like, the anti glare and the yada yada yada. Yeah. So I'm like, yeah. No problem. Those came, and those probably had to have been, like, half an inch. She can't I'm like,
3:40 I'm not even gonna you know, my I'm like, have you ever made my wife roasted. My wife is gonna roast me, bro. Roasted. I'm like, I don't live in a house where we don't make fun of each other. My wife is gonna eat me
3:50 alive with this.
3:50 Podcast with our glasses.
3:53 With the worst pair that we have, yeah, an whole episode. That'll be so great. And then I need to take you on a flight, and then we'll livestream it so everybody can see your the process of the migraine for you.
4:04 Oh, it gets bad, bro.
4:06 I've gone I've gone I've, like, flying may maybe maybe twice while having, like, a, like, a sinus infection. It's not fun.
4:12 Oh, it's the worst.
4:13 It's it's it feels like I can imagine that's how you are every time. Yeah. It's dreadful.
4:18 So I take I like I'll take Zyrtec D. That helps.
4:21 Mhmm.
4:21 Kinda helps with the, like, relieve the pressure. Okay. And then I would, like, feel something go coming on, but migraines are the worst for me. Like, if I don't catch it, then it's like it it could take me out. Like, I
4:31 could get be sick. I have to like Yeah. Everything starts spinning.
4:33 It's yeah. It's crazy. That's wild. Yeah. Yeah. What's up, everybody? Welcome to beyond the letter.
4:39 Tell us if you get migraines. We'll be praying for you.
4:42 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Tell us how bad your vision is Yeah. At the same time as well. Mine, you know, mine is terrible. Mhmm. Mhmm. We got Andy in the house, Nancy, Alize. We got Sammy
4:54 at the table. Hallelujah. You know? I probably should've asked you before, but, as always, you know We're ready. Many times, we we we stay ready on beyond the letter.
5:03 You know people who don't know how because so many people wanna know, like, do you prep it? Do you Yeah. Like, let people know how we do it.
5:10 Yeah. There's probably anytime I meet a pastor for the first time They're always asking. The first question kinda the first question they wanna know. They don't wanna know they'll get to, like, our church stuff, like how
5:20 we lead our church and all that. The first question is always, how do you do it so consistently?
5:25 Yeah.
5:26 How when do you film it? How often do you film it? Yep. You know? How do you plan it? All that kind of stuff like that. And so, yeah, to answer your question, you know, the the short answer is we film
5:37 every single week. Yeah. So we don't stack. Like, some places, if they do podcasts, like, they'll stack. They'll have, like, a 8 hour day, and then they'll, like, they'll rip, like, 7 of them or 6 of them, and then and
5:48 then they'll just
5:49 put it feel like because then you're, like, talking just out of that moment. Not that you can't do that. I know some places can, but you're just talking out of that day. Let's say we recorded 10 of them today. Right. And
5:59 we launch them over the 3 months.
6:01 And if you do that, you definitely have to be like, okay. This episode, we're gonna talk about this. This episode Yeah. For sure. You know what you're gonna talk about. Yeah. You could do that if you have a program that
6:11 more so talks about maybe, you know, certain elements of faith or whatever. For sure. You know, also, it's exhausting. It's so tiring. Sometimes we because normally, I'll do beyond the
6:23 letter. Yeah. And then I'll take about an hour break. Yeah. And then I come back and do beyond I do. Every Thursday. Yep. And sometimes if I'm traveling, the team and Nancy knows, like Yeah. Now
6:35 we like to I like to just take care of Wednesday and Thursday Yeah. To do 2 episodes each at a time.
6:40 Yeah. If you're traveling
6:41 for sure. On rare occasions, we'll stack the whole day, like 1 whole day. So that means we'll have done Yeah. 4 episodes. Yeah. They are mentally That's crazy. That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. You're like a vegetable
6:52 by For sure. By the end of it. And you feel it. You start trailing off in certain things. You start, like, a little Yeah. Yeah. You don't care anymore. Yeah. Yeah.
7:00 You're saying crazy stuff. Don't clip that. You
7:02 know? Yeah. But But there are, like you know, as I'm getting ready, in the morning, I'll kinda start thinking if something comes to mind, then I'll be like, okay. Or I I saw a video. Okay. I think maybe we can tap,
7:15 you know, something in. But Yeah. Whoever sits at the table, I don't, like, tell them ahead of time. I don't
7:20 never know. We never know.
7:21 Even if the team shares something in our Slack, like, hey. This is something maybe we can talk. I don't say Yeah.
7:26 We don't say we're a trainee.
7:27 I'll do it the next episode. Yep. I kinda just bank it. I Yeah. Save it in my phone Yeah. And then decide and also depending on, for the most part, who comes on. I know them pretty well. So I know what topics of
7:39 conversation they can handle Yep. And I know what topics they can't handle. Yep. You know? And and and that matters too.
7:44 For sure.
7:45 I could be like, oh, I love this this concept or video, but But it's not setting that person that's like,
7:51 yeah. They don't know.
7:52 Care. You know? That's why people have often asked, why don't you have your brother Nathan on more? I'm like, well, because Nathan's amount of interest in things is very limited. You know? Like, he he likes what he
8:02 likes, and he doesn't care about what he doesn't care about. Right. Right. Right. Right. So, you know, I I would have to curate an entire conversation just based off
8:09 when he wanna be prepped for it. Like, that would that
8:12 would help to know.
8:13 Yeah. Yeah. But we should have him on again soon. You know?
8:16 Yeah. I mean, he's good on, like, the friendship, the community stuff. Yeah. Parenting, he's really good at. Yeah. You know, health he's good at now because he's really on top of his health. So but, yeah, you can't be
8:26 like, hey, Nathan, what's your view of where the Puritan church was? And he's like, he's like, I don't care. Nathan, how long do you you know, there was that whole trend for a while that was like, ask your husband how
8:37 often he thinks about Rome. You know? Right. You remember that trend? Yeah. And so Ashley asked me, and I was like, I'm thinking about it right now. For sure. All the time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All the time. It comes
8:47 up. So Nas asked Nathan, and he was like, Rome what? You know? Like like, pasta?
8:52 Like, next
8:53 time we're gonna go to Rome? You know? He's like, you mean, do do I miss it? And she's like, no. Dummy.
8:58 I think about Rome so often. It just comes up at different times. Think about being a gladiator.
9:04 Yeah. I think yeah.
9:05 Think about Caesars. Thinking about Yeah.
9:07 Constantine, where it regularly plays
9:09 in my mind. Moving church from Saturday to Sunday, how that changed Christianity. Yep. There's a lot that it just always comes up.
9:16 Mhmm. Yeah. And what I just found out I don't wanna detour yet. And what I just found out though, and I did research on it. His name was Lactaceous, I believe it is. I I'm
9:28 pulling I'm pulling out of nowhere right now, so I could be wrong. I think it's I think it's Lactaceous, but we were You you probably didn't have your glasses at the time. Exactly. It probably was just like, you know,
9:39 Landon or something like that, and I just read it as Lactaceous. No. But there's, you know, emperor Constantine, for people who don't know, he's the 1 who made Christianity in the year in the years 300, not year
9:50 300, but in the 3 hundreds. Yeah. He made it legal, used to be illegal to be a Christian. So pretty much 300 years of of for Christians was all, you know, under under basements Mhmm.
10:02 House churches, all that kind of stuff like that. Constantine came in. I have my theories on why he did it.
10:08 Yeah. And people aren't always the biggest fan that he made it illegal. Right. They're saying that that stopped the growth and and politicized it and moved it from so but anyways.
10:16 Correct. Which is like so, you know, I have my own theories, and, obviously, I'm not a historical expert. Yeah. But I even think sometimes historical experts are so locked in in, like, 1 idea
10:28 that.
10:28 They're not open to it. They just they were trying to push their agenda versus, hey, this is what I think, but I'm open for other ideas.
10:35 You know? So so so the the, you know, the the rumor is authentic conversion conversion to Christ Yeah. You know, not only made Christianity legal, but he made it
10:46 Rome's national religion, which had once been like paganism. Yep. You know? And so he made it his religion. He made it the national religion. He
10:58 began to have all these councils in establishing the early church. His mother, queen Helen, was a huge fan of Jesus. And so she even traveled to Israel. And most of
11:10 a lot of the early churches in Israel are were established by her. Like the Bedouins So why? Showed her. Like, hey, where where was Jesus born? They, took her to Bethlehem. And that's why it's like
11:22 it's tough to know whether certain places are real or not because Jesus, you you know, the Bedouins told her about because before that, it would have been illegal. You couldn't have gone around and asked where Jesus was
11:31 born or whatever. You could have been beheaded. But by time he makes it legal
11:35 Yep.
11:36 Then now she can go and travel and discover his his place of origin and cities and all this kind of stuff like that. But Yeah. There's a famous council that that met that, you know, we we were just recently with
11:48 some of your friends, and Yeah. She said something that I didn't know. And she said, Constantine's right hand guy in signing a a specific order was Hispanic, was from Hispana.
12:00 Mhmm. He was he was he was Latin American. Well, not Latin American. He was Hispanic. Yeah. And I was like, oh, wow. Like, I I never knew that. Yeah. You know?
12:10 For sure.
12:10 Because you're helping them. They're a beautiful white couple, but you're helping them, you know, curate education for Hispanics and Latinos Yep. Learning their church history. And, you know, I think the
12:22 concept is and and I know you'll go further is Mhmm. Most of us learn church history from, you know, kind of more of just a strict white European Mhmm. Context. Right? You you have,
12:34 you know, Martin Luther. He's German. You have John Calvin. He's he's Swiss. You have or Rick Zwingli, and you have all these guys that were were white Catholic, you know, Europeans. And most people say,
12:46 oh, okay. That that that's pretty much the extent of an average person's Christianity. And what's big in the black church is understanding, like, Ethiopian historians, Alexandrian Coptic historians that
12:58 come from Africa and all that. And, you know, Latin Americans tend to tend tend not Latin Americans. Latins and Hispanics tend to think more so like, oh, our structures through just a simply a a
13:10 white European Yep. Kind of context. But even at 300 AD, a Hispanic was Constantine's That's crazy. And I and I actually went and researched it afterwards. Of course. It's a guy
13:22 it's a guy named Lactatius Yeah. That was there. You know? Was him as as as a as a
13:28 Don't throw out pseudo facts around Adam because he will fact check you.
13:32 Yeah. Yeah. Immediately. Make sure.
13:34 He's like, put that in the the thing. No. I think Oh
13:37 my No. Yeah.
13:38 Yeah. I think what's interesting is, like so if anyone wants to look at we had these gatherings on Latino Hispanics and church history. I think we talked a few times on the pod about this, but 20
13:50 45, Latinos will be the majority minority in America, which is pretty big. And then by 20 60, I think it's we're we're getting to where
14:01 Majority in America, I believe.
14:02 Yeah. By 20 60. To majority or the minorities will already be the majority passed. Mhmm. You know? Mhmm. You know, know, white people in America. So I think
14:13 that preparing for what the future looks like. So even my wife and I were talking about this. It's like with Latino Hispanics, you have 2 2 sides. You have the conqueror, the conquistador. Right?
14:24 The Yeah.
14:25 That machismo, that that side. Yeah.
14:27 Port Portuguese, Spaniard, you you know, all that kind of stuff like that. You know? The conquering side.
14:33 Yep. Or you got the other side where it's like, oh, I I I'm gonna be a leader in it, but I can't, I I don't have the resources. I call it resources relationship roadways. And so Mhmm. The reason
14:45 I say all that is that pulling together what I like to call practitioners is people that have the access and honor the older generation younger and also those that are Latino, Hispanic, but also relate to
14:57 everyone. I think you you said something, and you say it a lot, is that you're not just leading like, your your dad's Latino. Mhmm. Mom's white. Mhmm. But you lead a multi ethnic church that your dad started
15:09 predominantly that was a black church. So it's like Correct.
15:11 For the first 20 years.
15:12 Which is wild. Right? And then probably the breakdown is, like, 45, 50 percent black, 45 percent Latino maybe, and then 10 percent is everything else. Who knows? You know? Like rough estimate.
15:23 Yeah. Some, you know. I I'd say nowadays, it would probably be 30 30. So I'd say 30 percent black, 30 percent Hispanic. Yeah. I think it teeters depending on what's happening.
15:31 Yeah.
15:31 So that I think that makes up about between 60 and 70 percent. It's Yeah. Like, maybe, you know, 35, 35.
15:38 Yeah.
15:38 And then you're probably talking about 25 percent everything else.
15:41 Which is so which is so Yeah. And and I think that's part of the the future. Right? If Latinos will be the majority, Latinos will always have always been in that middle ground between everything. So all I have to say is
15:52 our church history, a lot of times, we just take it back into what we had or 50 hundred years or, like you said, all these white guys that were theologians that are beautiful. Right? We love Calvin. We love Martin
16:03 Luther. We love all these guys.
16:05 And for those who don't know, like, when you go to seminary, your average studies is Are those guys? 1500 to 1819 hundred, and and it's all it's all white Europeans. Hundred percent. They're
16:16 they're Protestants. They started the reformation. So if you're not Catholic, you're basically studying 400 years of history Yep. Which is kind of a disservice to the rest of the 1500 years of church history.
16:27 You know? And I think that part of that is, like, where there's been such a divide and pain between and I think it's coming up now. We've talked about the the, like, the podcast between the Catholic, Protestant. But if
16:39 we realize our history, we gotta look at the good, the bad, and the ugly, and we gotta learn from it so that we could take it into the future. And so, like, even a point that we talked about in those beginning retreats
16:49 is Augustine was a mestizo. Mestizo means mixed. Right?
16:53 Mhmm.
16:53 And he was his 1 of his parents was African. Others European, and people don't realize that. Yep. And so if, like, so, like, 1
17:02 And for those who know Augustine, he's, like, the legend of of church theology and and history. He's basically, the principal foundation for theology, essentially.
17:12 So so 100 percent. So you gotta realize that, like, when peep when we've been reading Augustine, a lot of people are seeing it from a European context, and now really seeing, oh, wow. He dealt with the the
17:23 cultural side and and the beautiful because at
17:25 the end of the day, we we process through Yeah. Our upbringing, our culture, our history. And so Yeah. You know, the concept that, like, okay, you can you can have an original thought
17:37 without your cultural upbringing, without how you were raised, without without your ethnicity involved. It's not really true. No. You know, there's certain truths in scripture that are meant to pull, you know, no
17:48 Jew, no Greek. We know that. But that's talking about, you know, equality of salvation Yep. Yep. Equality of worship. Yep. You know, what it's not necessarily referring to is the application of theology or the
18:00 application of worship and all that, which as it begins to spread and slip, like, you you look at a lot of the white Europeans, like, they were writing to the culture of their day. They were writing to what was happening
18:11 for
18:11 him. Sure.
18:12 So that's why it's important to understand with Augustine now
18:15 Yeah.
18:15 That's kinda coming to light is, like, it's it's this reality of like, oh, this is an individual that was half an ethnicity that was normally still kind of what people would still
18:27 think was theologically or church wise 10 steps behind Yep. Or Hundred percent. Ethnically different where it's
18:33 like, no.
18:33 This this guy that was mixed was paving the way theologically and using his lens. And 1 of the think through those things.
18:41 1 of the top voices in church history, Augustine, like, you
18:45 would Yeah. Yeah.
18:45 Yeah. Like, you would
18:46 you would look So Not right about everything. No. But
18:49 No. Not at all.
18:50 But I mean, like, but, like He's the
18:51 top dog. And you would if you would study that, you would know you you like, if you would if you're if that's your studies, you would read a lot about Augustine. So all that to say is I think that it's just so important
19:02 because in Revelation, it says every tribe tongue around the throne. And that word in in in the original language is ethnos. Right? Every every ethnic voice will come together. And so that's the beautiful thing that is
19:14 gonna be in heaven is that peace that we're all bringing a peace to to what it looks like. So Yeah. I think part of even like this and the Camino trip and all this different stuff, which is taking a group through
19:25 Spain and a few other countries and just looking at the intersection of beauty and art and church history and Hispanic fathers. I think it's just so beautiful to
19:37 see it from every aspect because it all paints a different picture. So my encouragement, we had 1 of the top, you know, Latino voices current living. I think he's in his eighties right now. His
19:49 name's Justo Gonzales with a j, Justo L Gonzales. He has a book called Santa Biblia. I'll bring it on next time I'm here. It's just a great fun 1, which means holy bible, but it talks about reading it
20:01 through the different lenses, which is like the bible and, like, looking at theology in that way. So it's a celebration of all of that. So I think when we when we pull all that in, we don't agree
20:13 with all our not that we don't agree with all history. We we see our history. We might differ from different stuff, but understanding it helps us paint a better picture for the future.
20:23 Yeah. For sure. You know? And you got, like, you know, you have, like, a lot of Latinos and Hispanics that, you know, Spaniards and Portuguese Yeah. They were Catholic.
20:35 Yep.
20:36 So where they went and colonized, they brought Catholicism. Then you have Protestants, which were like the Dutch and others like that. English. English were Anglican by then. And and then here
20:48 in the Americas, you know, you have a a lot of majority of people in the Americas are were gonna are gonna be Protestant. They're gonna be like Methodist, Presbyterian, especially on the East Coast. And then you have
20:59 trickles of of Catholicism, which came from, like, the Irish Yep. And and other European settlers
21:06 Yep.
21:07 That were part of the the the Catholic nations. Yeah. And so, you know, foundationally in America and also in South America, the church history, especially in
21:19 the Latino Hispanic realm coming specifically from Spain Mhmm. And coming from Portugal. Like, it it's an it's it's a great history to acknowledge and to and to learn because because then you more
21:31 so understand, like, where how your faith came and developed. But, also, you see how it molded into just kind of a cultural norm. Right? You have
21:43 For sure.
21:43 In the same way that people in other nations are like, I'm Muslim. And you're like, are you practicing? And it's like, no. I'm not. Cultural. Yeah. I'm culturally a Muslim. Mhmm. You know? That's why you have so many
21:52 individuals in Latin America and and Hispanics say like you have the Philippines, which was conquered by the Spaniards. Yep. Filipinos, a lot most of their last names are in Spanish.
22:04 Yeah. They're not in Filipino. Even their
22:07 language is a mix of Spanish and and their their calabas, like, has, like like, in Spanish, and then in in the fill I live in the Philippines, it's. Yeah. Okay. So it's like the
22:16 same It's like Spanglish. It's like what we would have as Spanglish. They have that as Shout
22:21 out to all our Filipinos. Yeah. Shout out to Ryan Ellis.Show more
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