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Marriage Advice from 78 Years of Experience | S2E26 BEYOND I DO PODCAST
April 10, 2025 · 1 hr 12 min
Strengthen your marriage with timeless wisdom. In this powerful episode of Beyond I Do, we sit down with two incredible women—Miss Paula Johnson (30 years married) and Miss Evelyn Joyce Cooper (48 years married)—who share over 75 years of combined marriage experience.They open up about: • The keys to long-lasting love • How to overcome marriage struggles with faith and unity • The role of prayer, community, and selflessness in a thriving relationshipWhether you’re newly married or have decades together, this episode offers biblical, practical, and heartfelt advice to help your relationship grow stronger through every season.👉 Subscribe for more real conversations on faith, love, and marriage.🔔 Turn on notifications so you never miss an episode of Beyond I Do.--Join our AFTER I DO community for Exclusive Content & community!www.afterido.app--Have a question about relationships? Ask us by clicking the link below!https://patria.church.ai/form/BeyondIdo_BEYOND I DO: MARRIAGE COURSEhttps://beyondido.thinkific.com/courses/beyond-I-do--Connect with Adam & Ashlee Mesahttps://instagram.com/amesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==https://instagram.com/ashleemesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==--Don't forget to stay connected with us: Instagram @beyond.idoTik Tok @beyond.ido--We've entered into an exciting new partnership with renowned jeweler Erin Barnett in Los Angeles. This partnership perfectly aligns with our love for relationships and jewelry. Whether you're looking for a special gift, an engagement ring, or a wedding band, Erin has you covered. And as part of the Beyond I Do community, you get exclusive discounts and the opportunity for a private showroom experience. It's time to celebrate your love with exquisite jewelry from our partner, Erin Barnett.How to get the exclusive discount?SEND HIM A DM and tell him you are part of the BEYOND I DO family or mention Adam Mesa. https://www.instagram.com/by.barnett/?hl=enhttps://bybarnett.com
Series Beyond the Letter April 10, 2025 · 1 hr 12 min · Beyond the Letter
Strengthen your marriage with timeless wisdom. In this powerful episode of Beyond I Do, we sit down with two incredible women—Miss Paula Johnson (30 years married) and Miss Evelyn Joyce Cooper (48 years married)—who share over 75 years of combined marriage experience.They open up about: • The keys to long-lasting love • How to overcome marriage struggles with faith and unity • The role of prayer, community, and selflessness in a thriving relationshipWhether you’re newly married or have decades together, this episode offers biblical, practical, and heartfelt advice to help your relationship grow stronger through every season.👉 Subscribe for more real conversations on faith, love, and marriage.🔔 Turn on notifications so you never miss an episode of Beyond I Do.--Join our AFTER I DO community for Exclusive Content & community!www.afterido.app--Have a question about relationships? Ask us by clicking the link below!https://patria.church.ai/form/BeyondIdo_BEYOND I DO: MARRIAGE COURSEhttps://beyondido.thinkific.com/courses/beyond-I-do--Connect with Adam & Ashlee Mesahttps://instagram.com/amesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==https://instagram.com/ashleemesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==--Don't forget to stay connected with us: Instagram @beyond.idoTik Tok @beyond.ido--We've entered into an exciting new partnership with renowned jeweler Erin Barnett in Los Angeles. This partnership perfectly aligns with our love for relationships and jewelry. Whether you're looking for a special gift, an engagement ring, or a wedding band, Erin has you covered. And as part of the Beyond I Do community, you get exclusive discounts and the opportunity for a private showroom experience. It's time to celebrate your love with exquisite jewelry from our partner, Erin Barnett.How to get the exclusive discount?SEND HIM A DM and tell him you are part of the BEYOND I DO family or mention Adam Mesa. https://www.instagram.com/by.barnett/?hl=enhttps://bybarnett.com ...more Show the full description Show less Strengthen your marriage with timeless wisdom. In this powerful episode of Beyond I Do, we sit down with two incredible women—Miss Paula Johnson (30 years married) and Miss Evelyn Joyce Cooper (48 years married)—who share over 75 years of combined marriage experience.They open up about: • The keys to long-lasting love • How to overcome marriage struggles with faith and unity • The role of prayer, community, and selflessness in a thriving relationshipWhether you’re newly married or have decades together, this episode offers biblical, practical, and heartfelt advice to help your relationship grow stronger through every season.👉 Subscribe for more real conversations on faith, love, and marriage.🔔 Turn on notifications so you never miss an episode of Beyond I Do.--Join our AFTER I DO community for Exclusive Content & community!www.afterido.app--Have a question about relationships? Ask us by clicking the link below!https://patria.church.ai/form/BeyondIdo_BEYOND I DO: MARRIAGE COURSEhttps://beyondido.thinkific.com/courses/beyond-I-do--Connect with Adam & Ashlee Mesahttps://instagram.com/amesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==https://instagram.com/ashleemesa?igshid=YTQwZjQ0NmI0OA==--Don't forget to stay connected with us: Instagram @beyond.idoTik Tok @beyond.ido--We've entered into an exciting new partnership with renowned jeweler Erin Barnett in Los Angeles. This partnership perfectly aligns with our love for relationships and jewelry. Whether you're looking for a special gift, an engagement ring, or a wedding band, Erin has you covered. And as part of the Beyond I Do community, you get exclusive discounts and the opportunity for a private showroom experience. It's time to celebrate your love with exquisite jewelry from our partner, Erin Barnett.How to get the exclusive discount?SEND HIM A DM and tell him you are part of the BEYOND I DO family or mention Adam Mesa. https://www.instagram.com/by.barnett/?hl=enhttps://bybarnett.com
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0:12 Yeah. So, I mean, I'm so excited that you guys are here. I know that Andy, are we good? We're good. We're good. We're up and live. And I know this is your guys' first ever podcast. You guys are some important people in0:24 my life that I've known for years from afar and then from close. So, if you're listening in, welcome to Beyond I Do. As you see, my husband is not0:36 here. Adam is not here with us today. So I have the honor of being able to host 2 amazing, beautiful, godly women that have been an impact in my life down the pipeline that miss0:48 Joyce may not know through miss Paula of knowing that you are her pipeline, she is yours. And so it's just a beautiful way that how community works and how we blend in and how we've learned and grown1:00 and been able to just get to be better as women in in Christ. So that is kind of what we're gonna be doing today. If you're tuning in with us here on our podcast, we have 2 special guests. We have1:12 miss Paula, who I absolutely love, and miss Joyce, who I've always loved from afar because I hear she just has nuggets of wisdom that, like, will blow your mind. Golden Golden1:23 nuggets. Golden nuggets. So so I know that you guys had asked, like, what is the ask? What is this? Feel free to share as much or as little as you want to share with the viewers. It's your heart that1:34 desires for what you want them to learn and what you want them to gain from this. So I'm going start with you, Miss Paula. I want you to tell them who you are, where you're from, what do you do, how long you've been1:45 married and about your family.1:47 Okay. Yes. All right. Well, Paula Johnson.
1:51 In the building.
1:53 From Rancho Cucamonga, California. Been out in Rancho forever, it seems like. And I am married for 30 years. Amazing. Just celebrated 30
2:05 for 30 wedding anniversary. And that was a whole adventure. My husband and I, Steven Johnson, have 3 wonderful children. I'm a Gigi now. And
2:17 then we have son, daughter, son, Steven, Sydney, Shane. So Steven is married, Sydney is engaged, that just
2:29 happened. And then we have our, we call him our sugar, and that's Shane. He's in a great relationship too. We have just been so blessed with having really wonderful children who have wonderful
2:41 partners. And I work for the County of San Bernardino. I'm in social services, specifically children and family services. And I'm
2:53 also a therapist part time and doing all the things and especially spending time with people that we love. That 1 over there is my
3:05 godmother, who I love so much. And that's a great story of how that came to to be about. And and and I love you, as you
3:15 know, so And how long have you been coming to Patria? Patria. First, Abundant Living. We at Abundant Living
3:22 back in 22003. Mhmm. We rededicated our lives under Gerald Brooks, pastor Gerald Brooks at the time. And he preached a fire word, at
3:33 Utica, and, we rededicated. Got saved early on back in the 90s, but you know fell off, didn't have great discipleship. And then came out here, moved out here
3:45 and went visited 1 other church and came here and that was it. That was it, sold. That was it. So we've been here since 2003, served in various ministries in the church and have seen it grow and have
3:57 seen what you and Pastor Adam have done. And we are just so blessed to be a part of what is happening. Yeah. The revival that is happening in
4:03 this It
4:04 is a revival, and we are so proud to be a part of it and so thankful to be a part of it.
4:09 Well, thanks. Well, we're so excited that you're here. Yeah. I'm excited to here. Okay. It's great. Okay. We got that. And and we're gonna get into all the details of godmother and how you all met and all the ins and
4:17 outs of your marriage and Yeah. How you stayed married for 30 years. And then miss Joyce, let's take hear a little bit about your background, who you are, where you're from, how long you've been married, what do you
4:27 currently do?
4:27 Okay. Well, my name is Evelyn Joyce Cooper.
4:31 And Ms. Evelyn. I prefer Joyce. And
4:36 I've been married to Charles Cooper, we call him Charlie, for 47 years. Amen. This is our 40 eighth year. We are a blended family.
4:48 Love it.
4:50 When I married, Charlie was father of 4 children. They're now all adults, married and we have grandchildren
5:00 and
5:00 we have great grandchildren. Wow. And I worked for the Department of Rehabilitation initially. I was a rehab counselor for the deaf and hard of hearing. Wow. So I did that for 8 and a half years.
5:12 And then within the state department, you can transfer to different departments. So I went to Community Care Licensing Division, which is a part of Department of Human and Family Services. Wow. So
5:24 I was a counselor, not a counselor actually, I work with foster home, group homes, adult day cares, adult facilities, I
5:36 work with senior facilities. So I was in management, so I had licensees, we call them community care licensing analysts, and they would go out to the homes
5:48 or to the facilities and make sure they're up to par, our standards, and we kind of crossed paths with Paula's job, but with LA
5:59 Okay,
6:00 okay. Because their children were placed in our homes. Gotcha. And we licensed those homes. So we interacted with the social workers. Gotcha. So I did that for
6:12 17 and a half years and I've been retired for 20.
6:16 Hey, that's so nice. That is so I've retired
6:20 for 20. Amen. And so Charlie and I spent a lot of time traveling, visiting family and going to baseball games and hanging out with the kids and the And
6:32 we came to know Abundant Living Family Church at the time because we were friends with Tracy and Brian.
6:39 Walker, yes.
6:41 Have to give them a little.
6:42 Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
6:44 And so Charlie and I was celebrating, lived in Bakersfield at 1 time for about 9 years. Charlie's father was out there, so we went there for 9 years. So we
6:56 decided to come visit Tracy and Brian 1 day. And so Tracy said, I called and said Tracy we coming over. She said, well it's Wednesday and if you come in you have to come to Bible study. Because we
7:08 go to Bible study. I said, we'd love to do that. So that was our first introduction to Abundant Living Family Church.
7:16 But you were already believers at the time?
7:18 Oh yes, I'm sorry. Yeah, Long time. Charlie and I, let me see, we met, friends introduced us, and within that time we got married in 3 months.
7:30 Wow. And so our dating time and our marriage time went all together.
7:37 I mean, I know, you know is what we've been hearing. Know, Tell
7:41 them where you got married.
7:42 We got married in Las Vegas. Oh, You know, you know.
7:46 Hey, hey. We
7:49 got married in Vegas. So as I was, let me go back, church wise. So when Charlie and I met and decided that we're gonna date, we said divorce was not an option. We were
8:01 sinners, we were not Christians, we had not accepted And how old were you? I was 24. Okay. Charlie was 25. Okay. So he's 5 years old and
8:09 I. Okay.
8:10 And so we were just talking about a relationship and we said divorce is not an option. We did not,
8:17 wasn't saved
8:18 and just wanted to work through the marriage because we loved each other. And so after that, the next year we got, well, saved.
8:30 We went to Crenshaw Christian Center, Doctor. Price and Doctor. Betty Price, and we were there for 23 years. Wow. And so there we were, at the time
8:42 they call us counselors, we would lead people to Christ, deal with the Holy Spirit, reassurance of salvation. So we did that, then we worked with the children. And so we were directors over the youth
8:54 department for 15 years. And then after that, and then when we moved to Bakersfield, we became a part of other ministries. Gotcha. Helping them grow their and work with
9:05 them and
9:06 So you were kinda like the seek, teach, send then here at Abundant or a patriot. Seek, teach, teach, abound and send disciples. You were being sent. Yes. Yes. So that's amazing. I love it. I love it. Okay. So
9:18 I really wanna get into it because I know we don't have a lot of time here when we're here with Beyond I Do. And I wanna get as much meat as I can from you guys. Okay. 30 years. Yep. 48 years. That
9:30 is some when people in audience or you hear 30 years or or someone says 48 years, you clap, you cheer, you you applaud because it's uncommon. It's not common to be married for
9:41 that long.
9:42 Correct.
9:43 Yes. What part of your marriage was a pivotal moment where you were almost at a breaking point, but it was a building moment? So what part of your marriage, if that makes sense, where you were
9:55 like, the word divorce was never brought up, but there was a thought where you're like, Lord, you bet Yeah. You better intervene
10:03 Yeah.
10:04 Or I don't know what's gonna happen. Or was there ever a moment or has the marriage been graceful because God has been graceful? Because there are some marriages where some people are like, you know what? We have stuck
10:14 by Christ. We've been selfless. And this hasn't been easy because we have discord. We may not always be on the same page. Yeah. But but we we make it day by day by the grace of God. There are those
10:26 marriages as well. Or was there a moment in your marriage where you were, like, on your knees? Several.
10:38 Knees worn out, actually. I'm just saying, you
10:43 know. Know, you know hot. Don't hold me too.
10:48 You got it.
10:49 Don't worry, mama dress is gonna keep
10:51 me centered. Promise you this is great.
10:52 She will bring me all the way back.
10:54 Tell me, what do you want to hear? Okay. Tell me, I want to hear it.
10:59 Okay, so we divide our marriage up in thirds. Okay. 30 years. I mentioned that during our 30 for 30, when we went away for 30 days for 30 marriage in the month of November, it was amazing,
11:11 beautiful, and God was all over us and our and going away for 30 days straight. That's a whole other topic. So the first 10, I gave more
11:23 in our marriage. We both come from such brokenness that we had no blueprint. So we thought because we're in love, it's going to work
11:34 out. We had 3 children all back to back, busy careers, trying to figure it out. And the first 10 or so, I gave more.
11:47 The second 10, give or take, when I became tired and isolated,
12:00 which is a different, not solitude, isolation, which is a whole different topic. When I withdrew because I was giving and not receiving, Steve picked up the
12:12 baton. He surrounded himself with amazing, godly men at that time. What I did not do is ever, in the
12:24 beginning, reach out for support from from women of God to help me through the trying times. So imagine being on this on this course without a map, without
12:36 a road map.
12:37 Yeah.
12:38 And so I withdrew. He picked up and worked so hard. He saw that he was losing me. And
12:50 I had a plan to leave. But God said no. There's more for you
13:01 to do because it ain't about you. This is about building my kingdom. And we've got involved more in the church, start doing missions, how I met Mama Joyce. Through missions, we
13:13 started to do all that. And then we started working on our marriage together equally. And the last 10 have been the best 10.
13:22 Wow. That's so bad.
13:24 There's no doubt about it. The last 10 have been the best 10 years of our marriage. My husband has worked hard to make sure that he is leading us the right way.
13:36 And it's been such a blessing. But I'm also, I say this all the time, marriage ain't for punks.
13:46 It Right. Right. Yeah. It is the most
13:50 it is the most because you can't you cannot be selfish. Selfishness is the is the killer of marriage. It is not is it's not for everybody if you cannot
14:02 understand the meaning behind it. It is it is literally giving up of yourself. All the things that you want to do for within your for yourself, you're not able to do.
14:12 Right. Right. When you said God said no, was that prayer time? Was that just a quiet, silent moment? That was just
14:21 Oh, it wasn't like a moment. It was a journey, you know? Just like forgiveness is a journey, all of it is a journey. So it became more of me
14:33 surrendering. Yes, I was on my knees praying. Yes, Lord, this is what I want to do, but I know that this is not what you want to do. And I know if we get divorced, the devil wins. I know that. Know that. I
14:45 know that, you know, we would not have been able to go on all these mission trips separately. We had to do it together as a couple and do it together as a family. Because it wasn't about us. It was about spreading the
14:57 gospel, telling everybody about who God is, how good he is, and you cannot do that when you are not really listening to his voice. We would be hypocrites if we were trying to do something
15:08 outside of his will.
15:10 So then at that point, he has community, And you're saying he's trying to gain the marriage back. He's trying to get your attention. What was the pivotal moment for you to say
15:22 I need community and get out of the isolation?
15:25 When I let my pride go to the side. Okay. And not act like everything was always okay all the time. Mhmm. Because it's not. Yeah. Be around like minded women of God.
15:36 How did you get to that point to not feel ashamed to say, don't have it all figured out and I need some help?
15:45 When I ask God to fix me.
15:47 Okay. That's good.
15:50 Show me. Instead of, you know, I used always complain, well, show him, show him, you know, who, show him this, show him that, show him, you know, And it became it stopped it stopped becoming that. It became, show
16:01 me how to love him. Show me he he he doing the best he can with what he got. We did not have great blueprints.
16:12 Yeah. And at this time for the 30 years, you 30 years as Christians and believers?
16:19 No. Okay. I would probably say, like I was saying, first 10 weren't. Yes. We got married in 94, 2003, we rededicated. Yes. So those first 10, You're
16:30 trying to figure it out. Drowning.
16:31 With young kids, all the things. All the things.
16:36 Can you hone back in though on what isolation because there may be some women that may not know the difference between you said isolation and solitude. So if you if you can pinpoint on that, and then I want to
16:48 get with Joyce as well. But I want to pinpoint on that because that is very important because sometimes people need to understand too, there's a difference between lonely and alone. And so if you could just touch on
16:58 that, for women to hear, even some men may be feeling that the isolation or solitude.
17:05 Isolation, when you isolate, also isolating from God. So when you are in a place where you need to be by yourself, it's okay to be in
17:16 solitude because God is in solitude with you. So when you go into your prayer closet, when you go on a drive, when you go and say, I need a moment here, it is taking him along with you.
17:29 Isolation is when the devil becomes with you and you allow you listen to his voice as opposed to listening to God's voice.
17:37 Yeah. So
17:39 isolation is the devil. Solitude is God.
17:43 That's
17:43 good. And there's nothing wrong with solitude. There's nothing, I think it's encouraged to rebuild your tank so that you can be able to be better for your spouse.
17:52 And
17:53 then with solitude, let them know, I'm
17:57 a talk to you later.
17:58 I'm to
17:58 go over here.
18:01 I'll see you later on today.
18:03 I need a breather.
18:04 Yeah, I'm talk to you later. Isolation, you don't, you say nothing to the other person, you just withdraw. And that was our motive operandi. We would just withdraw.
18:17 So we have learned over the years, but by his grace, by great mentorship, by listening to God's voice, by realizing it ain't about us, to
18:29 have more communication when we don't want to communicate. It's communicating your feelings. It's being vulnerable so you can trust more. People
18:41 think that you have to trust before you can be vulnerable. You have to be vulnerable in order to trust. That's the key.
18:49 Yeah. That's good. That's the key. Love that. That's really good. And miss Joyce. Yeah. Miss Evelyn Joyce. -Yes. -Was it all sunshines and
19:00 rainbows?
19:01 -No. -Okay. Because remember I said we got married in 3 months. So the courtship was in marriage.
19:12 Yes.
19:13 Wow. Well, yes. Courtship, getting to know 1 another was in marriage. Tell us about it. And I remember we would have disagreements, arguments.
19:25 And I remember 1 particular day we were arguing and I said to, I'm saying to myself, enough is enough, enough.
19:36 I picked up my suitcase, he was in the living room. I picked up my suitcase and I started packing. I said, I'm out of here. I didn't know where I was going. I
19:48 didn't think of my mother. Didn't think of my aunt. I didn't think of my friends. Said, I am out of here. And so he said, Where are you going? I said, I don't know,
20:00 but I'm getting out of here. And I remember he was in a rocking chair. We had a rocking chair in the bedroom and he was rocking and he was looking at me, he said,
20:12 Don't go. He said, Don't go. He said, Come here. And you know, I stopped packing. First, well actually when he was talking to me, I start packing slowly.
20:26 But first I was like, get my stuff thrown in the So I started packing slowly. He said, Come here. And he was rocking in the chair. He said, Sit in my lap.
20:38 I sat in his lap. He embraced me. He said don't go. I said okay, I'll stay. And
20:50 we never out of the 48 years will be November twelfth, we've never been apart. Wow. I've never left, he's never left me. Yeah. I mean
21:02 he's my buddy, we hang out, we do things together, but that was a moment that we realized we're supposed to be together and we can fight through anything
21:14 with God.
21:17 And that moment we made a decision that Christ is the center of this marriage, He's the foundation of our marriage, we're going to use the word of
21:28 God and godly examples that God placed in our lives and pattern our life after the word and after the people that we see that God draws to us
21:40 to help build our marriage. And from that day on, not saying we don't have disagreements or misunderstanding, but in prayer, whatever the issue
21:52 is, like you were saying, fix him. I was saying, him, it's him, it's not me,
21:58 is he?
21:58 But God opened my eyes in that I'm working on you. I already know about him. I'm working on you.
22:10 And I realized that we're 1. If I'm hurting, he's hurting. He's hurting, I'm hurting. The word says, But God has joined together, let no man put us on. That
22:22 means yourself. You can do something to yourself to cause your marriage to go astray. And so we put out, I shared this with Paula a long time
22:34 ago, we put arm on arm and shoulder to shoulder together and decided we're going to be victorious, we're going to be examples that God would be glorified in our marriage
22:46 and that we'll exhort and comfort those around us, even ourselves with 1 And then I committed to prayer over our
22:58 marriage, over our relationship. And we were in church together.
23:04 Love it.
23:05 We worked in ministry together. Every aspect, know we have worked together in ministry. That's good. But also I
23:16 said and he said as well that you know the Holy Spirit gives us you know the love of God and the Agape love. So we said love is unconditional. Not
23:28 based on what you do, it's not based on what you do not do. Unconditional love. Like if I'm upset with you, there's some discord
23:40 or disagreement, I love you. I'm a be here with you.
23:46 Do you think in that moment when you were ready to pack up and leave, that was the love that was necessary to keep the marriage together? Because I think there's a lot of people that and a lot of listeners
23:57 right now that are at that moment of like, well, he's not doing this or she's not doing that. And he don't do this. And he, I wish he would do that. I wish my husband was more like this. I wish my wife was more like
24:08 that. What does it take? Because you're saying an unconditional love. I I love the person unconditionally. Yes. But
24:20 there's a condition that's in my way to love. Yeah. And that's the condition is they're not doing what I want them to do. But if I do it, am I gonna fall into the the 10 years
24:32 your first 10 years of, like, well, then this is all on me. I'm do I Mhmm. Always have to be the 1 unconditionally loving until they open their eyes? What does that look like? And I'm asking the like, that is that
24:43 is It's so great that you said open his eyes. Open open their eyes. And so 1 of the things that I asked God at that pivotal moment for me was, show me how to love him.
24:56 Show me how to love him. Because we have to take it off of us and realize that we cannot do it by ourselves. Yeah. We can't do it by ourselves. The 1 thing about
25:08 the Cooper's that when she says that they do everything together that I think is so important for the church to understand and know is the example ship. So 1 of the things that,
25:20 and this is, listen, this is why we're, this is in the last couple of years that she showed this to me that I did not know, and we're in a great season of our life and will continue to nothing but get better. Know that
25:29 for sure, right? Is when you go to church together, when pastor is praying we stand like how we stand for the word of God,
25:42 you lock hands and you are together, you hold hands and you speak over the word of God when you're in church. When we are out and about, when we go different places and we're all
25:53 gathered around and someone has to do a prayer or there's a celebration, you have to be next to your spouse. You can't be across the room from them. There's the little things that show that you're in unity
26:05 and that you are united. Those are the things that she has taught me just recently, and I'm 55 years old. So it is understanding that the little things
26:17 count and love is in the detail.
26:20 Right, right. Yeah, that's so true.
26:23 And so then you said Charlie, you're blended.
26:26 Yes.
26:27 So there were he has 4 kids?
26:30 Yes.
26:30 4 kids. So you had 4 kids when you got married? Yes. What ages?
26:34 At 24, right? 3, 5, I mean, 7. And so
26:42 was there joint custody as far as like when you guys would have them and
26:47 We would have them. They would go to their moms. Yeah. Back and forth, that kind of thing.
26:52 Yes. At 20 Yes. You're a mom. Yes. 3 months married.Show more
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