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  1. 505Episode 495: The False Gospel of Democracy with Robert Tracy McKenzieShould churches stop live-streaming their services and return to in-person worship? A recent editorial by Tish Harrison Warren has gotten a lot of negative reactions from chronically ill and disabled people who value online worship. What does the debate say about our theology of the church? ABC has suspended Whoopi Goldberg for her comments about race and the Holocaust. Is Judaism a race, a religion, an ethnicity, or something else?   Some Christians are praising Stephen Colbert for talking about how his faith informs his comedy on his talk show, while others are criticizing him for not explicitly sharing the gospel. Who's right? And David Brooks' recent NY Times article about the evangelical leaders trying to save their movement makes the Holy Post crew ask—When do we try to fix a ministry and when do we leave it? Then, Skye talks to history professor Robert Tracy McKenzie about his new book "We the Fallen People" about what the Founders really believed about democracy and the virtue of the American people. He explains how Americans lost the Founders' belief in human depravity and exchanged it for a false gospel that affirms the inherent goodness of people and democracy, and how that explains the challenges we are now experiencing in our politics. News Segment:   0:00 - Intro 4:29 - Should churches stop live-streaming services? Tish Harrison Warren article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/opinion/church-online-services-covid.html Skye's video, "Why You're Sick of Church" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TqmTugUfT0 16:52 - Whoopi Goldberg's comments on race and the Holocaust 26:01 - Stephen Colbert on faith and comedy 36:47 - Institutions - when to fix and when to leave David Brooks article: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/opinion/evangelicalism-division-renewal.html   Interview with Robert Tracy McKenzie: "We the Fallen People: The Founders and the Future of American Democracy" - https://amzn.to/3gvwP5J Patreon Bonus Interview - https://www.patreon.com/posts/62311740/ 56:04 - Interview Start 57:57 - "Democratic gospel" definition 1:02:02 - Founders' beliefs about democracy and human nature 1:12:46 - "The Great Reversal" 1:20:21 - Jackson and unchecked democracy 1:23:22 - Christianity and partisanship 1:26:03 - Imperial presidency concerns 1:30:08 - End   The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 31 min
  2. 506Episode 496: The Embrace of Tyrants & the Despair of PastorsA scary number of Americans now say violence may be necessary to fix the country. A new report looks at what combination of beliefs cause a person to endorse political violence, and why it's more common on the right. Then, in response to last week's interview, Phil unpacks how our modern belief in human goodness explains the rise in authoritarianism and populism. And, why are U.S. Christians supporting the "Freedom Convoy" in Canada? A recent study from Barna found more than one-third of pastors have seriously considered leaving ministry in the last year. What's behind this crisis? Is the problem our culture, church members, how we've structured ministry, or is it pastors themselves? Skye talks to Glenn Packiam about his new book, "The Resilient Pastor," and why it's time to reexamine our assumptions about the church and its leadership. Plus, scientists create an artificial fish powered by love. News Segment 0:00 - Intro/updates from the crew 4:44 - Valentine's Day 6:39 - Animal News https://newatlas.com/robotics/biohybrid-fish-human-heart-cells/ 13:08 - Recap: Last week's interview with Robert Tracy McKenzie https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-495-the-false-gospel-of-democracy-with-robert-tracy-mckenzie 18:08 - Study: Moral divisions and authoritarian leaders https://www.psypost.org/2022/02/study-provides-first-evidence-of-a-causal-link-between-perceived-moral-division-and-support-for-authoritarian-leaders-62479 36:36 - Beliefs leading to endorsement of political violence https://www.psypost.org/2022/02/victimhood-racial-identity-and-conspiracism-interact-with-christian-nationalism-to-lead-to-support-for-violence-62589 David French piece: https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/the-seeds-of-political-violence-are 50:53 - News segment wrap-up Sponsor 53:04 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Interview with Glenn Packiam"The Resilient Pastor" - https://amzn.to/34WGgbK https://www.barna.com/resilient-pastor/ 54:17 - Interview intro 56:19 - "Pastor" definition and recent Barna stats 1:00:07 - Glenn Packiam's story/pilgrimage 1:04:02 - Tension in how pastors spend their time 1:13:44 - Authority 1:21:10 - Slowing down 1:28:10 - What's next? The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 33 min
  3. 507Episode 497: The Progressive Christian Checklist & Ending Online Worship with Tish Harrison WarrenWhy do black seminarians graduate with a lot more student debt than whites, and what does it mean for churches? A recent Gospel Coalition article by Alisa Childers argues that the word "deconstruction" is universally bad and should not be redeemed. Is she right or is it another example of Christians overreacting to a complicated issue? Then Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn take Childers' online quiz to determine whether they are progressive Christians. Anglican priest and author Tish Harrison Warren talks to Skye about her controversial New York Times column saying it's time to end online streaming worship services, and she argues that the pro-choice movement is hypocritical for not making the choice to keep a child easier. Plus, Phil shares his hard won wisdom about what not to post on Twitter. News Segment 0:00 Intro 3:56 - Trucker protests in Canada 6:55 - COVID death rate graph https://twitter.com/philvischer/status/1495044505363492866 14:42 - Black seminarians graduating with more debt https://religionnews.com/2022/02/17/black-seminary-grads-with-debt-higher-than-others-cope-with-money-and-ministry/ Glenn Packiam interview: https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-496-the-embrace-of-tyrants-the-despair-of-pastors 26:43 - Deconstruction https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/redeem-reconstruction/ Interview with Tish Harrison Warren "The Systemic Realities Created by Legal Abortion" article - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/22/opinion/roe-legal-abortion.html "Why Churches Should Drop Their Online Services" article - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/30/opinion/church-online-services-covid.html 49:41 - Guest intro 51:40 - Abortion and a broken system 55:50 - Feminism and abortion 1:00:23 - Online worship services 1:01:42 - Importance of embodied worship 1:06:04 - Technology in community 1:18:25 - Pushback from people unable to attend services 1:29:37 - End Other Links/Resources: https://tishharrisonwarren.com/ "Liturgy of the Ordinary: Sacred Practices in Everyday Life" book - https://amzn.to/3IbFy9l Patreon Bonus Segments: Full abortion conversation with Tish Harrison Warren - https://www.patreon.com/posts/62922779/ Bonus news story - https://www.patreon.com/posts/62922997/ The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 30 min
  4. 508French Friday: Putin, Pentecostals, & Christian NationalismDuring the Cold War, conservatives prided themselves for their opposition to the Soviet Union and totalitarianism and blasted those who wavered as "un-American." In the current crisis in Ukraine, however, we have seen some conservatives defending Putin and Russia. What happened? David French tries to explain why some Republicans and evangelicals foolishly see Putin as a hero and defender of Christendom. Then he discusses his recent article about the rise of Christian Nationalism. Why is it so appealing among independent, Pentecostal churches, how is it spreading beyond those circles, and why are educated, elite Christian leaders reluctant to speak up about it? 0:00 - Intro  3:01 - Crisis in Ukraine"Burning Straw Men by the Bushel"- https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/burning-straw-men-by-the-bushel?utm_source=url Putin's February 21 address - http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/67828" We're All Ukrainians Now" - https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/were-all-ukrainians-now?utm_source=url 31:13 - Rise of Christian nationalism"The Seeds of Political Violence Are Being Sown in Church" - https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/the-seeds-of-political-violence-are?utm_source=url1 hr 7 min
  5. 509Episode 498: Making Christian Disciples or Christian Nationalists? with David KinnamanPutin's invasion of Ukraine and the heroic resistance the Russian troops have encountered raises new questions about patriotism. When is love for our country godly, and when does it unknowingly lead to evil? Plus, a new study tries to define Christian nationalism, explain why Black and White Christian nationalists are so different, and advise how to prevent the heresy from spreading in churches. Then, David Kinnaman, President of the Barna Group, is back for another "Barna Brief." His latest research finds over 70 percent of pastors are very concerned about the spread of Christian nationalism, but most aren't sure what to do about it. And - why measuring church attendance says almost nothing about a church's spiritual health or effectiveness at making disciples. News Segment: 0:00 - Intro 4:20 - Ukraine and patriotism February French Friday episode - https://www.holypost.com/post/french-friday-putin-pentecostals-christian-nationalism Interview with Robert Tracy McKenzie- https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-495-the-false-gospel-of-democracy-with-robert-tracy-mckenzie 23:50 - Christian nationalism and race "Christian Nationalism and the January 6, 2021 Insurrection" report - https://bjconline.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Christian_Nationalism_and_the_Jan6_Insurrection-2-9-22.pdf "Theology Cannot Save Us" article - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/february-web-only/christian-theology-evangelicalism-cannot-save-us.html "Trayvon Martin's Murder and the Death of the Evangelical Racial Reconciliation Movement" article - https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/trayvon-martins-murder-and-the-death?utm_source=url&s=r Sponsor 47:51 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Barna Brief with David Kinnaman: 49:44 - Interview start 51:40 - Reception to data on pastors 53:59 - Measuring effectiveness of discipleship 1:14:03 - Pastors' concerns about Christian nationalism 1:23:40 - End To learn more about Barna's initiatives for supporting pastors, go to Barna.com/ResilientPastor1 hr 24 min
  6. 510Episode 499: The End of Racial Reconciliation & Rescuing Evangelicalism with David BrooksSome Southern Baptists say if Voddie Baucham becomes the next president of the SBC it will be a step toward racial reconciliation. When Phil disagreed in a tweet last weekend, it triggered a social media tsunami. He responds to the controversy. Then, the Holy Post crew discusses Jemar Tisby's recent article about how the murder of Trayvon Martin ten years ago ended white evangelicalism's efforts at racial reconciliation. But was the movement flawed from its beginning in the 1990s? Then, Skye has a wide-ranging conversation with author and conservative New York Times columnist David Brooks. They cover recent efforts to rescue evangelicalism from politics, the loss of optimism in the 21st century, our naïveté about democracy, how the world is reacting to the war in Ukraine, and why the church needs to make spiritual formation more challenging not less.   News Segment 0:00 - Intro 01:59 - Pat Robertson 4:48 - Phil's Twitter tsunami 11:21 - The end of racial reconciliation?   "Trayvon Martin's Murder and the Death of the Evangelical Racial Reconciliation Movement" - https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/trayvon-martins-murder-and-the-death?utm_source=url&s=r   Sponsor 51:10 - Abide abide.co/holypost   Interview with David Brooks 52:22 - Interview intro 54:06 - "Dissenters" article 58:39 - Social trust and technology 1:03:16 - "The Dark Century" article 1:05:22 - Lost view of humanity 1:13:09 - Reactions to the war in Ukraine 1:18:43 - Institutions and spiritual formation 1:26:02 - End   "The Dissenters Trying to Save Evangelicalism From Itself" - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/opinion/evangelicalism-division-renewal.html   "The Dark Century" - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/17/opinion/liberalism-democracy-russia-ukraine.html   Bonus Patreon segment: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63559614/     David Brooks books mentioned: "The Social Animal" - https://amzn.to/3vYb8E2   "Bobos in Paradise" - https://amzn.to/3pO5AIB   "The Road to Character" - https://amzn.to/378B7yh   The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 27 min
  7. 511500th Episode Extravaganza!The gang's all here! Phil, Skye, Christian, & Kaitlyn are all in the studio for the first time ever to record this very special episode of the Holy Post. They retell the show's origin story dating all the way to Phil's talkshow dreams in the 1980s, how that accidentally gave rise to VeggieTales, why Skye got roped into the scheme, how Christian went from TV producer to podcast co-host, and how Kaitlyn is leveraging her new Holy Post notoriety. The crew then countdown the Top 10 stories of the last 10 years, and speculate about what the future holds for faith in America. Featuring original songs by Phil, voice messages from the audience, and a mythological Inuit knife, this is an episode for the ages! Holy Post Quiz Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgIOoK0BpkY Holy Post Patreon (now with book club!): patreon.com/holypost Episode 500 merch: holypost.com/shop Special thanks to: Waylon Klix, creator of brick characters included on episode 500 art card and in the video; Ellie Kleinsasser, creator of episode 500 merch design; and all our Patreon supporters who submitted voice messages! (For time's sake, we couldn't include all the voice messages we received, but we loved listening to every one that came in.) 0:00 - Intro song 00:42 - Voice messages: Shelby, Jared, Edgar 02:31 - Holy Post origin story 23:33 - News of the Butt https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X19305371 28:26 - Voice messages: JT, Jere 29:50 - Sponsor - Abide http://abide.co/holypost 31:01 - Announcements 32:47 - Voice messages: Quinn, David 34:23 - 10 stories from 10 years, part 1 "Facts Are Our Friends: Why Sharing Fake News Makes Us Look Stupid and Harms Our Witness" (Ed Stetzer) - https://churchleaders.com/outreach-missions/outreach-missions-articles/299041-facts-friends-sharing-fake-news-makes-us-look-stupid-harms-witness.html 52:20 - Voice messages: Michael, Catherine, Sarah, Ethan 55:21 - Sponsor - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost 56:31 - 10 stories from 10 years, part 2 "Justice" video (Bible Project) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A14THPoc4- "Struggling with Evangelicalism" book (Dan Stringer) - https://amzn.to/3MTixL5 1:15:20 - "Crazy" song 1:17:20 - Looking ahead 1:27:59 - Voice messages: Raphael, Rick, Laura, Denise 1:31:01 - End The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 32 min
  8. 512Episode 501: "Don't Say Gay" & Latino Evangelicals with Gabriel SalgueroFlorida is the latest front in the culture war with a controversial bill to prevent teachers from speaking to children about the existence of same-sex couples or transgender people. But is the bill so vague that it could also prevent schools from acknowledging opposite-sex married couples too? The crew breaks down the intent, and the possible side effects, of Florida's "Don't Say Gay" law. And, what does Disney's response to the controversy tell us about where the wider culture is heading? Then, pastor and president of the National Latino Evangelical Coalition (NALEC), Rev. Dr. Gabriel Salguero, joins Skye for a conversation about the growing influence of Latinos within evangelicalism. He says the diverse perspectives of Latino Christians offers the white church a "view from below," and promises to bring renewal to the American church, but we shouldn't romanticize the movement either. Plus, an example of Christian Nationalism in the wild, and goats go to church. News Segment 0:00 - Intro 5:21 - Animal News https://www.al.com/news/2022/03/baaaaaaad-goats-break-into-alabama-church-shatter-glass-door.html 7:52 - An example of Christian nationalism https://www.christianpost.com/voices/is-this-our-last-chance.html 19:49 - Florida's "Don't Say Gay" bill 30:13 - Disney's response Sponsor 41:03 - Abide abide.co/holypost Interview with Gabriel Salguero National Latino Evangelical Coalition: https://nalec.org Gabriel Salguero: https://twitter.com/PastorsSalguero 42:14 - Interview start 45:36 - Latino evangelical experience in America 50:32 - Shared challenges 53:47 - Future of the church and evangelicalism 1:03:51 - Navigating recent tumultuous times 1:17:27 - Hope for the future Other resources mentioned: "The Dissenters Trying to Save Evangelicalism From Itself" (David Brooks article) - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/04/opinion/evangelicalism-division-renewal.html1 hr 21 min
  9. 513French Friday: Trans Athletes & Good LiberalismBefore recently winning the NCAA women's 500-yard freestyle swimming championship, Lia Thomas competed in the sport as a man. Should that matter? David French talks with Skye Jethani about the complexities of transgender rights, and why we need a more nuanced understanding of what "equal protection" means in the law. Then, French says the real divisions in our culture and politics aren't primarily between Republicans and Democrats, or between conservatives and progressives, but between a traditional understanding of liberalism and the dangers of illiberalism. 0:00 - Intro 0:48 - Trans athletes "What Do We Do When People Are Equal, But Not Alike?" (David French article) - https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/what-do-we-do-when-people-are-equal?s=r 34:28 - Liberalism and illiberalism 1:02:45 - EndHoly Post Patreon (now with book club!) - patreon.com/holypost1 hr 3 min
  10. 514Episode 502: Secular Sexual Ethics, Faith, & Autism with Daniel Bowman Jr.The conservative (and maybe Christian?) satire site Babylon Bee has had their Twitter account suspended for giving a trans woman their "Man of the Year" award. Babylon Bee says they're being punished for speaking the truth, but are they just being mean? And an essay in the Washington Post by Christine Emba says our sexual ethic of consent alone isn't working. Has she uncovered evidence that our secular culture is more receptive to Christian sexual ethics than we thought? Then Kaitlyn Schiess talks with author, poet, and English profess Daniel Bowman Jr. about his book, "On the Spectrum: Autism, Faith, & the Gifts of Neurodiversity." Bowman, who is on the spectrum himself, dispels myths about autism and offers helpful ideas about how we can love those in our families and communities who are neurodiverse. Plus, an update from the Animal News desk. Holy Post Patreon (now with book club!) - https://www.patreon.com/holypost News Segment 0:00 - Intro 2:54 - Animal News https://relevantmagazine.com/culture/no-more-monkey-business-publix-will-stop-selling-coconut-milk-collected-from-enslaved-monkeys/ 10:41 - Babylon Bee 19:39 - Sexual ethics https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/17/sex-ethics-rethinking-consent-culture/ Sponsor 49:24 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Interview with Daniel Bowman Jr. https://www.danielbowmanjr.com "On the Spectrum: Autism, Faith, & the Gifts of Neurodiversity" - https://amzn.to/3qJnpZC 50:33 - Interview intro and book overview 54:38 - Loving neighbor 58:32 - Neurodiversity and Own Voices 1:02:56 - Culture making "Culture Making" by Andy Crouch - https://amzn.to/3JXvQII 1:07:33 - Autism and the church 1:14:55 - Bad Christian stories 1:19:10 - Loving people across space 1:22:29 - End The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 23 min
  11. 515Episode 503: Woke Disney, Teens in Crisis, & Racial Reconciliation with Derwin GrayThe feud between Florida's governor and Disney is getting hotter with new leaked footage of a Disney executive speaking about the company's goals for LGBTQ representation. What are both the Right and Left getting wrong in the debate, and why should we see sexual orientation and gender identity as different from race? Also, new studies show an alarming rise in mental health disorders among teens, but there's some good news for those involved in religious communities. Plus, Derwin Gray is back to talk about his new book, "How to Heal our Racial Divide." He shares how his church is taking the call for racial reconciliation "from the seats to the streets," and why so many church leaders remain afraid to talk about race. News Segment 0:00 - Intro and updates 3:30 - Disney controversy update 26:43 - Teen mental health https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/03/31/student-mental-health-decline-cdc/ 31:34 - Religion, college, and mental health https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/15/opinion/religion-school-success.html https://neurosciencenews.com/religious-accountability-wellbeing-20126/ Interview with Derwin Gray "How to Heal Our Racial Divide" - https://amzn.to/3JaWnkn Derwin Gray - derwinlgray.com 45:44 - Intro 47:18 - Book overview 49:01 - Multiethnic churches and resistance from leaders 1:01:13 - Christian responsibility in fixing unjust systems 1:09:09 - Police 1:17:11 - Importance of mourning 1:26:24 - Credits Other resources mentioned: Holy Post episode 458: "The Gospel Demands Multiethnic Churches" - https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-458-the-gospel-demands-multiethnic-churches Derwin Gray's IG live with former CMPD Chief, Kerr Putney: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CAxrK4hJzLj/ The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases1 hr 27 min
  12. 516Episode 504: Political Worship Rallies, Trump's Racial Topography, & New Picks from Drew DyckConservative political rallies and protests are increasingly using Christian worship music. How is this different than the role of faith in the Civil Rights movement, and why should Christians on all sides be cautious about attaching God's name to their activism? Then, new data says Trump's presidency dramatically altered attitudes about race and prejudice in America. And Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn respond to listener questions about last week's episode on Disney and LGBTQ representation. Then, author and editor Drew Dyck is back for another round of media recommendations. This installment of "Dyck's Picks" includes a book on deconstruction, some Easter-themed poetry, and a TV drama with something to say to the church about ethics and the culture war. Plus, beware of un-Lucky Charms. News Segment: 0:00 - Intro With God Daily: http://withgoddaily.com 5:22 - News of the Butt https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-investigates-lucky-charms-stomach-illness-reports-rcna23483 8:10 - Listener responses to last week's episode https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-503-woke-disney-teens-in-crisis-racial-reconciliation-with-derwin-gray 20:25 - Political worship rallies https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/06/us/christian-right-wing-politics.html 37:43 - Trump's racial topography Sponsor: 48:05 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Dyck's Picks with Drew Dyck: 49:16 - Interview intro 51:31 - Pick 1: "Fractured Faith" by Lina AbuJamra https://amzn.to/3xndQDN 1:1:15 - Pick 2: Yellowstone (TV series) 1:13:20 - Pick 3: "Bower Lodge" by Paul J. Pastor https://amzn.to/3JNmyOB 1:19:23 - Final story: "With" by Skye Jethani https://amzn.to/3uAFdZB 1:24:14 - Credits The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 25 min
  13. 517Episode 505: Stupid Social Media & Learning to Love While Offended with Albert TateIn a lengthy article in The Atlantic, social psychologist Jonathan Haidt explains how social media has made our entire society more stupid in the last decade, and compares the disunity it's causing to the Tower of Babel. Phil, Skye, and Christian discuss the article and what can be done to reverse the trends. Then, pastor Albert Tate talks about his new book, "How We Love Matters: A Call to Practice Relentless Racial Reconciliation." By sharing personal stories, Tate says we must learn to live with being offended, commit to community, and love anyway. Plus, teenage gorillas are getting too much screen time. News Segment 0:00 - Intro and updates 3:03 - Fasting from whiteness https://religionnews.com/2022/04/08/chicago-area-pastor-says-his-church-is-fasting-from-whiteness-and-getting-pushback-during-lent/ 6:16 - Gorillas, teens, and screen time 13:35 - Stupid social media "Why the Past 10 Years of American Live Have Been Uniquely Stupid" by Jonathan Haidt - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/ Holy Post episode 495 with Robert Tracy McKenzie- https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-495-the-false-gospel-of-democracy-with-robert-tracy-mckenzie Unbelievable? The Conference - https://www.unbelievable.live Interview with Albert Tate Albert Tate - https://alberttate.com "How We Love Matters: A Call to Practice Relentless Racial Reconciliation" - https://amzn.to/36s6e86 47:51 - Interview intro 49:42 - Committing to community 53:48 - Loving while offended 1:00:07 - When to stay and when to leave 1:04:29 - Generational trauma/injustice and generational privilege 1:18:09 - Hope for the American church 1:24:48 - Credits The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 25 min
  14. 518Episode 506: The Pro-Life Case for Paid Family Leave with Rachel AndersonThe battle between Governor DeSantis and Disney is heating up in Florida. The culture war may be good for politicians, but why is it bad for Christians? Then, a former White House spokesperson says if Christians want to win the culture war they need to have more babies. Kaitlyn and Skye explain why that strategy contradicts the New Testament. Phil looks at Grove City College's anti-CRT statement and why the school's attack on Jemar Tisby amounts to revisionist history. Then, Kaitlyn talks with Rachel Anderson from the Center for Public Justice about her advocacy for paid family leave, why the policy is proven to reduce abortions, and how it fits with Christian theology and ethics. Plus, Phil is building a big beautiful wall. News Segment0:00 - Intro 6:15 - DeSantis vs. Disney 25:36 - Christian babies and culture wars https://www.salon.com/2022/03/30/kayleigh-mcenany-wants-more-christian-babies-its-an-overt-call-out-to-paranoia/ 38:07 - Grove City College and Jemar Tisby https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/racial-compromise-and-complicity?utm_medium=ios&s=r Sponsor 47:57 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Interview with Rachel Anderson Center for Public Justice: https://www.cpjustice.org Families Valued Policy Resources: https://www.familiesvalued.org/resources-policy 49:08 - Interview intro 53:28 - Paid family leave policies overview 1:01:51 - Theological framework for paid family leave 1:04:25 - Defining family and its purpose 1:07:43 - Difficulties in implementing paid family leave policy in US 1:11:12 - Citizenship as a collective activity 1:16:22 - Resources1 hr 20 min
  15. 519French Friday: Football Prayer & CRT HysteriaThe Supreme Court is hearing arguments in a case about a public high school football coach who prays on the field. Is he violating the First Amendment because he's a state-funded employee engaging in religious activity on the job? Or, is his religious expression protected by the First Amendment? David French explains the court's history on public school teachers and free speech, why he thinks the coach is likely to win, and why religious liberty protections have never been stronger. Then, French talks about his first encounter with Critical Race Theory as a law student at Harvard 30 years ago. Skye asks, if CRT has been around for so long, why is it only now being seen as a threat to both America and Christianity? French explains how the definition of CRT has changed, how it's been leveraged by media voices on the political right since 2020, and why the issue of race may be leading to a new schism in the American church. 00:00 - Intro 00:45 - Football Prayer "Why We Fight About Football Prayers" - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/april-web-only/scouts-football-prayers-kennedy-bremerton-first-amendment.html 31:07 - CRT hysteria "How the Fight Over Critical Race Theory Became a Religious War" - https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/how-the-fight-over-critical-race?s=r "Racial Compromise and Complicity at Grove City College" - https://jemartisby.substack.com/p/racial-compromise-and-complicity?r=dfab0&s=w&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web 1:04:05 - Credits1 hr 5 min
  16. 520Episode 507: Dubuque, Demons, & Defying Patriarchy (Part Deux) with Beth Allison BarrIn the 1980s, Frank Peretti's best-selling novels about the spiritual war between angels and demons captivated evangelicals, but they also fostered a belief that anything out of step with conservative white Christianity was downright satanic. The podcast crew discuss their own experiences with Peretti's books and how they've shaped today's culture war—including a congresswoman's recent statement that Catholics helping immigrants is proof the church is run by Satan. Then, Beth Allison Barr is back one year after the release of her provocative book "The Making of Biblical Womanhood," to discuss what she's learned from her critics as well as from her fans. And she offers pastoral advice for those struggling in patriarchal Christian communities. Plus, a family finds a tasty time capsule in their bathroom wall, and the underappreciated charms of Dubuque, Iowa. Patreon Bonus: https://www.patreon.com/posts/65967806/ News Segment 0:00 - Intro 2:24 - Dubuque travelogues 8:10 - Tasty time capsule https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/illinois-family-finds-bag-preserved-mcdonalds-food-half-century-ago-ho-rcna26252 16:49 - Fantasy novels and satanic conspiracies https://religionnews.com/2022/04/28/marjorie-taylor-greene-feuds-with-conservatives-catholics-over-satan-remarks-border-bishops-satan/https://www.vox.com/culture/23033782/frank-peretti-this-present-darkness-piercing-the-darkness-cultural-influence-moral-panic 46:56 - Patreon bonus plug https://www.patreon.com/posts/65967806/ Interview with Beth Allison Barr "The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth" book - https://amzn.to/3KNm8s0Postscript to book - http://cdn.bakerpublishinggroup.com/processed/book-resources/files/The_Making_of_Biblical_Womanhood_-_Postscript_Chapter.pdf?1650389860 47:53 - Intro 48:31 - Journey with book 55:39 - History and theology 58:58 - Untangling cultural elements in scripture 1:03:29 - Hindsight and reflection on critiques 1:12:46 - Role of social media 1:15:59 - Three FAQs https://www.patheos.com/blogs/anxiousbench/2022/03/ideas-about-women-matter-a-resource-list-for-women-in-church-history/ 1:22:17 - Hope? 1:25:09 - Credits The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 26 min
  17. 521Episode 508: No More Roe? & the New Scandal of the Evangelical Mind with Mark NollThe leak of a draft ruling by the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade has the entire country talking. Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn discuss the overreactions from both the Left and Right, speculate about what a post-Roe America might look like, examine the complicated history of abortion including why many evangelicals originally supported Roe but then dramatically flipped on the issue, and share their hopes for what comes next. Then, acclaimed historian Mark Noll talks about the 30th anniversary of his influential book, "The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind." In the early 1990s, Noll celebrated the strength of the evangelical church, but he warned about a dangerous shortage of evangelical scholars. Today, he fears the opposite. While evangelical scholarship has never been stronger, Noll is deeply concerned about an anti-intellectual church taken with conspiracy theories and partisan politics. Patreon Bonus segment: https://www.patreon.com/posts/66264481/ News Segment 0:00 - Intro 2:31 - Supreme Court leak - initial reactions 8:49 - Changing views on abortion within evangelical Christianity 19:29 - Overreactions on both sides 33:48 - Upsides 42:55 - Downsides 47:32 - "The Southernization of the Pro-Life Movement" Resources mentioned: Advisory Opinions podcast - "Making Sense of the Supreme Court Leak" Part 1: https://advisoryopinions.thedispatch.com/p/making-sense-of-the-supreme-court?s=r Part 2: https://advisoryopinions.thedispatch.com/p/making-sense-of-the-supreme-court-8db?s=r "If Roe is Overturned, Where Should the Pro-Life Movement Go Next?" by Tish Harrison Warren - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/08/opinion/abortion-roe-dobbs-pro-life.html "Apocalypse Now: How the Left and Right Get Danger Wrong" by Michael Wear - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/april-web-only/political-apocalypse-christianity-right-left-evangelicals.html "This Really Is a Different Pro-Life Movement" by Daniel K. Williams - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/south-abortion-pro-life-protestants-catholics/629779/ Sponsor 57:22 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Interview with Mark Noll "The Scandal of the Evangelical Mind" - https://www.eerdmans.com/Products/8204/the-scandal-of-the-evangelical-mind.aspx 58:32 - Mark Noll intro 59:33 - Updated version - why now? 1:02:19 - Christian higher education "We the Fallen People" by Robert Tracy McKenzie - https://amzn.to/3M7oHGO 1:08:50 - Fundamentalism and fear 1:15:33 - Evolution and CRT 1:26:08 - Christian curiosity 1:30:19 - Credits The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 31 min
  18. 522Episode 509: The War on Winsomeness & Interfaith Cooperation with Eboo PatelDespite the uproar over the leaked Supreme Court decision overturning Roe, it turns out 80 percent of Americans have a nuanced view of the issue. Phil, Skye, and Christian discuss responses to last week's show and ask why are we nuanced about some moral issues and absolutist about others. Then, conservative Christians are attacking Tim Keller for his winsome, non-partisan approach to Christianity. They say winsomeness may have worked in the past, but now the culture war is so dangerous that we need a more aggressive and offensive approach. Are they right? Skye interviews Eboo Patel, the founder and president of Interfaith America, about his new book "We Need to Build: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy." Patel, a Muslim-American, talks about the transformative role Christianity had on his calling, why interfaith cooperation is essential, and what concerns him about the current culture of activism in America. Plus, scientists discover the Mariah Carey of jellyfish. "Christian Asks" Patreon Bonus: https://www.patreon.com/posts/66555715/ News Segment 0:00 - Intro and updates Christian's documentary - https://thegirlwhoworefreedom.com 3:29 - News of the Butt https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bloody-belly-comb-jelly-pooping_n_625e59f1e4b066ecde16f302 10:03 - Responses to last week's show 17:03 - Nuance versus absolutism 28:55 - Tim Keller and the war on winsomeness55:26 - Holy Post Patreon http://patreon.com/holypost Interview with Eboo Patel"We Need to Build: Field Notes for Diverse Democracy" - https://amzn.to/3MquyqO Interfaith America - https://www.interfaithamerica.org57:30 - Eboo Patel - intro 59:20 - Background and calling 1:14:13 - Culture of activism in America 1:26:45 - Interfaith cooperation1:31:49 - CreditsResources and articles mentioned in news segment: ProGrace: prograce.orgHoly Post Episode 254: Rethinking Our Response to Abortion with Angie Weszely - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLa-rjvjAtk"America's Abortion Quandry," Pew Research Center - https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/"Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid" by Jonathan Haidt - https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/Tim Keller Twitter thread - https://mobile.twitter.com/timkellernyc/status/1520107742110834699James Wood, "How I Evolved on Tim Keller" - https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2022/05/how-i-evolved-on-tim-kellerSamuel D. James, "Is it Time to Move Past Tim Keller?" - https://samueldjames.substack.com/p/is-it-time-to-move-past-tim-keller?s=rDavid French, "A Critique of Tim Keller Reveals the Moral Devolution of the New Christian Right" https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/a-critique-of-tim-keller-reveals?s=rRod Dreher, "Tim Keller & Myxomatosis Christians" - https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/tim-keller-david-french-myxomatosis-christians/ The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 32 min
  19. 523Episode 510: The SBC Report and Rethinking Sexual Ethics with Christine EmbaThe independent report about the cover-up of sexual abuse within the Southern Baptist Convention has been released, and it's far worse than anyone expected. What does it mean for the SBC and American evangelicalism in general? And Phil asks if there's a difference between engaging in godly cultural transformation and fighting a culture war. Was William Wilberforce a culture warrior? And when are we really seeking change, and when are we just virtue signaling? Then, Kaitlyn welcomes Washington Post opinion columnist and editor, Christine Emba, to discuss her new book "Rethinking Sex: A Provocation." After interviewing dozens of young adults, Emba concludes that evangelical purity culture has problems, but so does the secular message of sex positivity. Instead, she draws from Christian theology and tradition to propose an ethical framework that goes beyond consent alone. Plus, Phil refuses to be concerned about an invasion of aggressive jumping worms. News Segment: 0:00 - Intro 3:07 - Jumping worms https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/jumping-worms-have-made-their-way-to-california-17182377.php 9:36 - SBC Report 32:06 - Culture wars or transformation?Sponsor: 48:32 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Interview with Christine Emba "Rethinking Sex: A Provocation" - https://amzn.to/38gtHdj "Consent is not enough. We need a new sexual ethic."- https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/17/sex-ethics-rethinking-consent-culture/ 49:41 - Christine Emba intro 52:00 - Book background 54:28 - Misdiagnosing the problem 58:30 - Purity culture versus uncritical sex positivity 1:04:14 - Interviews within book 1:13:35 - Dating app culture 1:24:28 - Willing the good of the other 1:29:12 - Credits Resources mentioned in news segment: "Southern Baptist leaders covered up sex abuse, kept secret database, report says" by Sarah Pulliam Bailey (The Washington Post) - https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2022/05/22/southern-baptist-sex-abuse-report/ "Southern Baptists Refused to Act on Abuse, Despite Secret List of Pastors" by Kate Shellnutt (Christianity Today) - https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2022/may/southern-baptist-abuse-investigation-sbc-ec-legal-survivors.html "This Is the Southern Baptist Apocalypse" by Russell Moore (Christianity Today) - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/may-web-only/southern-baptist-abuse-apocalypse-russell-moore.html "The Gift of Pain" by Paul Brand and Philip Yancey - https://amzn.to/3wGWjGa The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 30 min
  20. 524Special Episode: The Movie Proposal 130 - Operation Mincemeat0:00 - Intro 1:57 - Something Old - Josh's: About a Boy 5:57 - Something Old - Skye's: Patton 9:09 - Something New: Operation Mincemeat 10:32 - Josh's Proposal "I propose Operation Mincemeat is a good example of using fiction to tell a true story." 16:11 - Skye's Proposal "This is another one of those movies that proves truth is stranger than fiction and sometimes even more compelling." 23:04 - Something Borrowed - The True Story Behind Netflix's Operation Mincemeat & Movies from the Mountaintop 32:12 - Something Blew - Jason's: The Prestige TV Podcast (Barry Recaps) 34:50 - Something Blew - Josh's: Home Before Dark 39:48 - Something Blew - Skye's: The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel & George Carlin's American Dream 45:59 - Outro Follow The Movie Proposal crew on Twitter: Skye, Josh & Jason Find The Movie Proposal on Facebook48 min
  21. 525Episode 511: America's 400 Million Guns & Saving Humanity from Technology with Andy CrouchThe United States has experienced another horrific school shooting, and the country is once again debating guns. Will this time be any different? Phil asks why the U.S. is incapable of passing sensible gun regulations like Australia did 25 years ago, and why do so many evangelicals support America's gun culture and the 2nd Amendment with religious-like devotion? Skye then interviews Andy Crouch about his new book about the dehumanizing effects of technology. Crouch says we are drawn to tech the same way the ancients were tempted by magic. Both offer the promise of "effortless power," but it always comes with a cost. And he says we should look to early Christianity for ways to restore dignity and personhood to our culture. Plus, critical listener responses to our recent Roe v Wade episode. News Segment 0:00 - Intro 2:22 - Critical listener responses Holy Post episode 508: No More Roe? & the New Scandal of the Evangelical Mind - https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-508-no-more-roe-the-new-scandal-of-the-evangelical-mind-with-mark-noll 20:58 - Baby formula 22:26 - America's guns Kaitlyn's tweet: https://twitter.com/KaitlynSchiess/status/1529517008206942209" Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. Murders and suicides plummeted" - https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback Holy Post episode 423: Is America's Gun Culture a Blessing or Curse? - https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-423-is-america-s-gun-culture-a-blessing-or-curse-with-david-french Interview with Andy Crouch"The Life We're Looking For: Reclaiming Relationship in a Technological World" - https://amzn.to/3M6EbtH 51:11 - Andy Crouch intro 53:47 - Technology and magic 59:29 - Media and superpowers 1:14:39 - Early Christianity and personhood 1:26:10 - Interview wrap-up 1:28:42 - Credits The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 29 min
  22. 526French Friday: Debating Gun Control*Please be aware that this episode deals with sensitive topics, including suicide and child/adolescent mortality.* In the wake of the elementary school massacre in Uvalde, Texas, David French and Skye Jethani spend the whole episode debating what can be done to curb gun deaths in America. While they find some agreement around "Red Flag" laws and making gun owners liable for the misuse of their weapons, French doesn't support an assault weapons ban or requiring training and evaluation before purchasing a gun. With guns now the leading cause of death for kids and teens in America, Skye says it's time for Christians to explore all possible solutions, including amending the Constitution, similar to the pro-life movement's approach to ending abortion. David French says the 2nd Amendment must be protected as a basic human right. Both agree, however, that the status quo is not acceptable. Holy Post episode 423: "Is America's Gun Culture a Blessing or Curse? with David French" - https://www.holypost.com/post/episode-423-is-america-s-gun-culture-a-blessing-or-curse-with-david-french "Pass and Enforce Red Flag Laws. Now."- https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/pass-and-enforce-red-flag-laws-now?s=r" Guns are now the leading cause of death for American children" - https://news.yahoo.com/guns-now-leading-cause-death-190042943.html Advisory Opinions episode: "Mass Shootings and the Law" - https://advisoryopinions.thedispatch.com/p/mass-shootings-and-the-law?s=r#details1 hr 9 min
  23. 527Episode 512: Christian Self-Defense & Church-Based Deconstruction with Mike Erre & Lina AbuJamraChristians who oppose more restrictive gun control policies say we have a God-given constitutional right to self-defense. But is there any evidence to back this claim? With Christian and Kaitlyn both in Europe, Phil and Skye invite Mike Erre from the Voxology podcast to fill the empty co-host chair. Mike looks at the biblical texts cited by gun advocates and says that even if self-defense can be justified, for the Christian it is not a "right."   Then, Skye talks to Lina AbuJamra about her book, "Fractured Faith: Finding Your Way Back to Faith in an Age of Deconstruction." Like so many, AbuJamra entered a season of significant doubt not because of anti-Christian messages from the culture, but after experiencing a toxic leadership culture at her church. She shares what restored her faith, the danger of false expectations, and why honesty about our disillusionment is the first step. Also this week—California declares that bees are fish, and scientists accidentally create murder hamsters. What could possibly go wrong?   Holy Post 10th Anniversary Merch: https://www.holypost.com/shop   News Segment: 0:00 - Intro 4:18 - Bees are fish https://gizmodo.com/bees-fish-california-conservation-endangered-specie-1849009597 9:11 - Murder hamsters https://boingboing.net/2022/05/29/scientists-accidentally-made-a-vicious-mutant-attack-hamster.html 14:55 - Re: French Friday episode on gun control French Friday: Debating Gun Control - https://www.holypost.com/post/french-friday-debating-gun-control 19:39 - Constitutional right to self-defense? The Federalist Papers: No 46 - https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/fed46.asp 27:05 - Biblical right to self-defense? 46:53 - Thoughts and prayers Sponsor 51:28 - Faithful Counseling faithfulcounseling.com/holypost Interview with Lina AbuJamra: "Fractured Faith: Finding Your Way Back to God in an Age of Deconstruction" - https://amzn.to/3xqCiEa Living with Power - https://www.livingwithpower.org   52:38 - Lina AbuJamra intro 54:44 - Journey that led to deconstruction 1:02:20 - False expectations 1:08:10 - American evangelical leadership crisis 1:15:23 - Honesty in disillusionment 1:24:56 - Credits Other resources mentioned: Voxology podcast - https://voxologypodcast.com   The Holy Post is supported by our listeners. We may earn affiliate commissions through links listed here. As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.1 hr 25 min
  24. 528Episode 513: Guns Again & Learning to Read the Bible with Jo Saxton and BibleProjectResponses to the mass shootings in Buffalo, New York, and Uvalde, Texas, have continued, and there's renewed hope for policy changes. This week, Jo Saxton joins Phil and Skye as a guest co-host to discuss a series of articles from African-American and global Christian leaders about the need to rethink both America's gun policies and the American church's gun culture. Then, BibleProject co-founders, Jon Collins and Tim Mackie, talk with Skye about how their work has shifted from just teaching what's in the Bible to teaching people how to read the Bible. Their new app and podcast series is designed to help us see the Bible as brilliant literature, and not just a depository of quick answers to life's problems. Also this week, should we be concerned that more people are having wedding ceremonies to marry themselves? Holy Post merchandise - https://www.holypost.com/shop Getting Schooled by Kaitlyn Schiess: Political Theology 101 - https://www.patreon.com/posts/67787080/ BibleProject Patreon Bonus - https://www.patreon.com/posts/67787175/ News Segment 0:00 - Intro 4:10 - Sologamy?? 13:49 - Guns in the home 20:39 - Guns and cars 26:00 - Global perspective on America's gun culture 36:12 - Gun violence and the theology of evil 44:52 - Guns and church 54:44 - Holy Post Announcements Interview with Jon Collins and Tim MackieBibleProject: bibleproject.com BibleProject App: https://bibleproject.com/app/ BibleProject Podcast: https://bibleproject.com/podcasts/the-bible-project-podcast/ 57:09 - Jon Collins and Tim Mackie interview intro 1:00:26 - BibleProject shift toward how to read the Bible 1:06:39 - Bible literacy in America 1:19:38 - Literary beauty in the Bible Articles mentioned in news segment: "Sologamy: India woman's plan to 'marry herself' sparks debate" - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61671032 "Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home"https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9715182/ "What would it mean to treat guns the way we treat cars?" (Vox) - https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23151852/gun-violence-cars-crashes-firearms-deaths-youth "This Love of Guns: It's Way Beyond Our Understanding" by Matthew Soerens (Christianity Today) - https://www.christianitytoday.com/better-samaritan/2022/june/this-love-of-guns-its-way-beyond-our-understanding.html "What Supporters of Gun Rights Mean When They Talk About 'Evil'" by Esau McCalley (NYT Opinion) - https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/opinion/mass-shooting-evil.html "White Churches, It's Time to Go Pro-Life on Guns" by Charlie Dates (Christianity Today) - https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2022/june-web-only/uvalde-school-shooting-chicago-go-pro-life-gun-violence.html1 hr 30 min
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