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The Sound of Freedom - A Candid Conversation with Paul Hutchinson
October 4, 2025 · 1 hr 11 min
Ep.0001 - Part 1 of 3 sit down conversations with Paul Hutchinson, a main driver behind the blockbuster film Sound of Freedom. The film is only the start of a movement to stop child trafficking.
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Faith, Capitalism, and the Fight Against Evil 0:00 Man and the money, at least a chunk of it behind the blockbuster independent movie, The Sound of Freedom, joins me in studio for part 1 of a 3 part series that you're gonna love. This was supposed to be the kickoff of0:10 the Christian Capitalist show, but we preempted it to talk about the Charlie Kirk tragedy and how everyday people on Main Street can carry on Charlie's legacy of bold faith in the real world. If you missed it, be sure to0:21 check it out. Now let's find out about Paul Hutchinson and the sound of freedom movement. Welcome everybody to0:33 the inaugural episode of the Christian Capitalist Show. I'm Russell Gray, and I'm gonna be the host today. And for as long as the Lord has me in this seat, I'll be hosting this show. And today is really0:44 exciting for me. We decided to kick this show off because I had a chance meeting with a really incredible man who's doing really important work, and God's been moving in his life. And I'm you're gonna be familiar with0:55 some of that as you're about to find out in a moment. And so we just decided to kick this thing off ready or not. So thank you for being here. I think you're really gonna enjoy the show. Just a little bit about the1:04 Christian capitalist. We're really looking at taking Main Street capitalism, what I call the the average everyday person on Main Street and making capitalism Main Street again. Capitalism has1:16 been kind of turned into a dirty word. It is associated with greed and monopolies and oppression, and a lot of people in the world don't like capitalism. But if you really understand capitalism, you'll discover that it's1:27 unleashed more human productivity, has given more people more hope, and it really is the vehicle by which humans exchange value. And if you were to look in scripture and really understand from the very beginning of time,1:39 god was organizing humanity around concepts of economics. And I think that there's, a lot of economic understanding that's missing from a lot of the Christian community that I've interacted with. I think there's a lot of1:51 Christianity missing from a lot of the capitalists that I've worked with. And so the purpose of the show is to bring those 2 worlds together and then add a third lens, which is the macroeconomic environment that we all2:01 live in, that we conduct our business in and understand that policy matters. And the policy that directs human activity and commerce has a direct impact on the human quality of life and really in the large degree,2:13 creates some oppression. And I think we're gonna find out today that people in their desperation to escape that financial oppression do really desperate things. And so prosperity for all is the secret2:25 to eradicating or certainly mitigating some of the evil that goes on in the world. And so that's what Christian capitalist is all about, looking at those things, through the lens of faith, a biblical2:36 worldview. And so if you're interested in more about what this is all about, just send an email to mission at the Christian capitalist dot com, and I prepared a video there for you. I don't wanna take time today because2:46 we have an exciting guest. And so with me today is mister Paul Hutchinson. So, Paul, how are you?2:52 I am incredible. I'm so so grateful to be here today.2:55 Yeah. I am very, very excited to share everybody with you, or share you with everybody and vice versa. But if you don't know Paul, and I'm gonna let him tell his own story so that I don't butcher it, but you may have3:07 heard of a project that he's been involved in and a new book that he's just launched, which is of the same name. It's called The Sound of Freedom. And the Sound of Freedom, if you don't know, was the largest independent3:19 film of 20 23, the most profitable film independent film of that year and in the top 20 most profitable films of all time. So, Paul, for those people who've never heard of Sound of Freedom,3:30 they're not familiar with the movie and certainly, not familiar with the movement. Why don't you just bring us all up to speed?3:37 Well, a quick background. The, the groups that I've been involved with over the last decade plus have been focused on eradicating child trafficking.3:50 And, a bunch of Navy Seals, former Navy Seals, Green Berets, former CIA, Homeland Security agents who, who listen to the call of using4:02 their, skill sets to fight what I believe is the most evil thing in our world. I I I can't think of anything worse than the trafficking of4:14 a child for, for things that are unthinkable. You know? There are, sexual exploitation and organ harvesting and and and labor trafficking, etcetera.4:26 And so we focused on the first 2 of those. And, and I have led or played a key part in over 70 undercover child rescue missions in 15 countries over a4:37 period of 10 years. And, in the I I realized years ago, me and some of the other team members realized that we couldn't take millions of people to see what we had seen. Very, very few people have the4:49 skill sets to be in those kind of situations or or even the ability to deal with that kind of darkness. However, we couldn't take people to see what we had seen, but we could help millions of people feel5:02 what we had felt. And, and so, you know, back at the time of Abraham Lincoln, it it wasn't guys like us. It wasn't guys that were rescuing the slaves that created the big biggest difference. It was actually people like5:14 you. It was influencers. It was the media. It was people like Harriet Beecher Stowe. She wrote a book called Uncle Tom's Cabin, which was the media, the podcast of the age. Right? It created an awareness with good5:26 people of what was going on in the South. In fact, years later, when Abraham Lincoln met her, he shook her hand. He said, so you're the little lady that wrote the book that started the big war. And so today, recognizing5:37 that so many people have no idea that this is going on. And it's the fastest growing criminal enterprise in the world, and good people don't talk about it because it's too dark. So we realized there was a5:49 huge need for awareness, and it was it was divine providence. It was God's hand in that. I mean, you you don't make, an independent film and6:01 have 70000000 people watch it. It's just unheard of. And so I truly believe that the timing of it coming out and the success of the film was because6:13 God wanted good people everywhere to have these conversations so that we could keep the children safe.6:18 Yeah. My wife and I went and saw it and, saw it right away. And it was it was powerful. It was moving. It was entertaining. It was well produced. Jim Caviezel, my, my late wife, my first6:30 wife, She was a huge fan of person of interest. Mhmm.6:33 And6:33 so that's kinda where I became familiar with Jim Caviezel. She would watch that show. She loved that show. And, and then, of course, he played Jesus in the passion of the Christ with Mel Gibson. Now Mel Gibson had a role6:43 in this film as well. So now now that we know what the movie is and what it's about, tell us a little bit about how it came about in terms of the people behind it.6:53 Well, myself and a few other operators, about 11 years ago, were involved with a child rescue mission in Cartagena, Colombia.7:05 Actually, there's 3 separate missions on the same day, Cartagena, Medellin, and Armenia, Colombia. And it ended up in the rescue of over a hundred and 20 children, hundred and 24 kids that day,7:17 and the largest child rescue mission that I knew of in history at the time. My involvement, I I came from a very successful real estate background,7:29 business background, had some some huge exits. I I I had a company that helped people overcome anxiety, depression, PTSD, addictions, childhood trauma that I sold in my late twenties. I started investing in real estate.7:41 And, however, I had a a certain set of skills that made me somewhat safe in a dangerous place. But I had a philanthropic passion for helping7:52 children. I was on many different boards of child related charities, including the Make A Wish board of directors. And, I got invited into this group by our attorney general8:04 in our state at the time and introduced to some of these operators. And so so we were a part of this mission, and and we we highlight that mission in the sound of freedom in the book and also8:16 in the movie. But after that mission and then a few others in Mexico and and, in Dominican Republic, etcetera, we recognize the need of bringing this to the world. So we went8:28 into myself and a couple other operators, went into Paramount, Sony, Lionsgate. They were very interested in the the story. Very interested. We're willing to pay money for the for the rights on the story,8:40 but they wanted full literary control. And as as most of the listeners of this this podcast know, sometimes Hollywood doesn't have our best interest in8:52 mind.8:52 Yeah.8:52 They really don't. You know? They have a an agenda of feeding us things that aren't in line with our our moral foundations. And they they could have with the contract that9:04 they put in front of us, they could have moved the story wherever they wanted. They could have had my character and Jim Caviezel, hit that character in in a, you know, a gay sex scene in the middle of the the film and9:15 and some children involved in and putting us in situations that we handled inappropriate, whatever. And we knew there needed to be a little bit of a god focus, not enough9:27 where they push us into a religious, you know, film type of a thing. But things like god's children are not for sale. Things like, when when Bill Camp says in the movie, when when,9:39 when when God calls you to do something, you do not hesitate. You know, these are these are things that really happened. And and finding these children was not something that we did in just logic9:50 and protocol. I I truly believe that we were being led by by by God in finding where these children were and how to rescue the kids. And so that stuff needed to be brought into the story.10:02 Yeah. And I and I think that this is where your success in business, where being a true capitalist, being somebody that went into the marketplace, delivered extreme value to the marketplace,10:13 extracted extreme value, and you put yourself in a position where you didn't need to compromise just to sell the script, just to make some money, or even just to get the movie produced. And I think sometimes10:26 there's this feeling in some, crevices of the Christian community that somehow money is evil or, the sacrifices that 1 makes to be successful in business, which10:38 is a whole different discussion. I think in a future episode, we're gonna have that discussion. But that that somehow that these things are things that Christians, good Christians shouldn't be involved in. And I had an10:49 opportunity to go sit in a sermon, at a church, and I basically heard an anti capitalist message. And that was part of the genesis for me wanting to do this show. I I did a bunch of searching and found11:01 out that there was this, segment of Christian the Christian community that really was anti capitalist. And I I think it's ignorance. I don't think they mean any harm. But, you11:13 know, it you talk about just tweaking the story a little bit. Napoleon Hill wrote a book called Outwitting the Devil, and Sharon Lechter got a chance to pick that up and make that book known. And in that book, he talks11:24 about the concept of drifting, that the devil's game is just a move you just like 1 or 2 degrees off. You know, you project out somebody who's 1 or 2 degrees off purpose for a lifetime. By the11:36 time they finish their life, they have not come anywhere near doing what god called them to do. And some of the ways that happens is we make financial compromises because we have to. If you go full circle into just the11:47 industry of trafficking children, some of that is born in desperation of people that live in these horribly, hostile to capitalism or anti capitalistic societies where11:59 there's abject poverty and parents get involved in in even selling their own children. So I I I wanna highlight the fact that because you guys were successful in business, you were in a12:11 situation where Hollywood couldn't grab your chain and grab the work and then just move it just a little bit. So that that's amazing. So the so who else was involved in making this movie happen? There were some big12:23 names involved in this.12:24 Yeah. Well, in the in the beginning, it was just me and a few of the other operators that were involved. As we move forward, we, we actually met with, some guys in New York that12:36 were involved with the the Phantom of the Opera. And 1 of the guys who played Phantom for many years was friends with Jim Caviezel and, and made that introduction. We we pitched the the well, let me back up just a12:47 second. When when we got turned down well, not there. When we turned down Sony and Paramount and and Lionsgate because they wanted so much control, We realized that the only way for us to do this right was12:58 for me to fund the entire production of the script from 0 all the way until the time where we're ready to produce. That was gonna cost, at least a half a million up to a million dollars to make that happen.13:10 Now, to your point, I I was the founder of what was then a multibillion dollar investment fund and was doing just fine financially.13:22 And so this was money that I could afford to lose if it didn't go the way that we wanted it to, and it was it was money that was purpose focused. So whatever happened with this, I13:34 knew that we needed to go the right direction. So we we put together a team. We we were going everywhere. We actually went and and, talked to some of the guys with, with Clint Eastwood's team, trying to figure out, okay,13:45 do we have them write it and put it together? And I was in Los Angeles at an event. It was the Iraq Against Child Trafficking, gala. It was right after the Grammys.13:57 And at that event was Pierce Brosnan, president Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico was there, a bunch of other pretty high level people, and there was a guy by the name of Eduardo Virostegui.14:09 Now Eduardo wasn't a big name here in the US, but in South America, wow. He was a big name. In fact, it was funny because the the the girl I was with at the time, she was getting a14:21 picture with with Pierce Brosnan. And in the corner of the picture, way in the back, all you could see was just the side of the eye in the sheet of Eduardo. And she posted it because she was Latina.14:33 She had, like, 50 people within 10 minutes say, hey. I think Eduardo Vooraschi is there. And so all of a sudden, we realized, okay. This was somebody that that was had some pull. And so I got to know him. He had14:44 just finished a film called Little Boy. Now this is a if if Christians, if you haven't seen this film, it is so well done. It's it's on the subject of faith. It's a beautiful, beautiful film. He14:56 invited me to watch this film. It was just coming out, and I watched it together. And I thought after seeing that, I realized this is the team that needs to write the script, that needs to take this to the world. In the15:08 movie little boy, this and I'll I'll tell you a script of it because I think this audience would really love this. This this little boy, he's smaller than his his his classmates at school. He's having a hard time. He's15:17 getting picked on a lot. His dad gets called to war, and he, he gets called to, he goes to a magic show. And in the middle of the magic show, the magician calls him up on stage and,15:30 and has him, you know, put his hands out like this and moves a bottle because of, you know, his he's believes that look and that the magician says, do you believe? Do you believe? Well, the next day, he's at church, and15:41 the pastor's talking about faith. And the pastor says, you know, if you have faith like a mustard seed, you can move a mountain. And the little boy goes into his pastor, and he said he said, hey. You know, I went to this15:51 magic show. Is is that is was that faith? And that the pastor is brilliant. He puts a well, the writers of the show is is Eduardo, you know, Alejandro Monteverde who put together the script for Sound of Freedom. He was16:03 the 1 that wrote this script. He he had the pastor put the bottle there and says to the little boy, do do what you you did. Show me what little boy says, really? And he goes, ugh. And he believe what doesn't move. And16:14 the pastor says, do it again. He goes, ugh. It doesn't move. The pastor says, do it again. The boy wants it so bad. He's literally his face is turning red and he's like, ugh. And the pastor grabs the bottle, and he moves16:24 it. And he says, see the bottle move. And the little boy says, no. You you move the bottle. And the pastor said, no. Your your conviction was so strong that it motivated me to move the bottle, And that's how16:36 God works. You can't move a mountain. But your conviction and your faith and and then the little voice says, well, how do I make my faith stronger? And the pastor talks about the the beatitudes and the things that are16:48 taught in the New Testament about, you know, about making your faith stronger. So it's a beautiful film that is bringing that principle to light. So after watching that film, I said, Alejandro16:59 Monteverde, writing that script was in line with what I'm in line with with with those god given principles. We need a god focused team to put this17:11 script together. And so so I put the money in. We hired these guys, brought them up to the cabin and at the family cabin. And for 2 weeks, they spent the whole time just writing, writing, writing, and putting sticky.17:22 They interviewed me, interviewed some of the other operators. We took 8 different rescue missions and about 20 different operators and put them all together into 1 story line. Now some people are gonna say, oh, yeah.17:32 There's couple guys that were highlighted in the film that aren't in line with with God's principles. You know what? Don't throw the baby out with a bathwater. Yes. There were guys who made some poor decisions. The truth17:44 is some of those agents weren't the same ones that actually were there in the jungle, were there at the the the border crossing. Those stories really happened. Many of the heroes and sound of freedom are not known17:56 by the public because they're still doing the work. Right? So we just took their stories and put them all together into Jim Caviesel's line, into into his character. And then we were able to get Bill Camp, which is a18:08 huge name, you know, and and Maria Servino is came on as well. And because of them, we started getting the attention of of other big actors in Hollywood that were18:19 calling out Hollywood for some of the darkness that that indeed is there.18:25 Yeah. So, okay. So that tells us a little bit about the movie and how you got involved and why you got involved, at least a little bit. Why don't we go a little bit deeper on why you chose to get involved? Why was this18:36 thing so important to you personally?18:38 Well, I, if you saw Sound of Freedom, Eduardo, who was the producer, plays the part of a multibillion dollar fund manager who Jim Caviezel says, hey. If I could18:50 convince Pablo to help fund this and to play this role, we can make this work. Well, I'm Pablo in real life. That was my first exposure to this kind of darkness19:01 is, I was not only helping to fund some of these rescues, but then I I got a phone call from 1 of the operators. And he said, Paul, he said, I'm I'm in Cartagena. We thought there was 20 kids here. There's more than19:13 50 here, more than a hundred in the surrounding cities. He said, we could rescue them all on the same day, but I need your help. And I said, well, how much how much do you need? Thinking he needed money.19:24 Right.19:24 He said, I need you. Can you be in Colombia in 2 days? He said, I I the head trafficker down here has a piece of property. Now I was a real estate mogul. He said he has a piece of property he19:36 wants to develop into a child, like, brothel, like a sex resort type thing. I mean, I don't even wanna talk about this stuff. It was so dark. Like a Jeffrey Epstein Island type of a thing. He19:48 needed a few million dollars to build it out. He he believed he could make tens of millions of dollars a year selling these victims to wealthy Americans. And he had connections with all the other20:00 traffickers in the in the region. And we needed him to connect with all these traffickers and get them all to bring their children to the same place at the same time so that we could do the sting and20:11 simultaneously arrest everyone. And the only way that we that the agents thought that he would do that is if he thought that the only way that I would fund his project is if he could prove to20:23 us that he could fill it by having a party with me and a bunch of rich friends that they brought all these kids. So I get this phone call. I'm I'm you know, set the stage here. I'm I'm20:35 in a I'm in Atlanta, Georgia at a at a conference. We it was, like, like, third generation multibillionaire conference raising money for my investment fund. And I get this phone call and he's he's I said, well, okay. I20:46 wanna help. What what do you need? He says, well, you need to be in Columbia in 2 days. I said, well, what do I wear? I I don't what do I dress? He says, dress as a as a wealthy playboy investor. And at the time, I'm20:56 wearing a suit that cost more than my first car. Right? I've got 2000 dollar cufflinks on. I've got a watch that's, like, 50000 dollar watch. I'm like, I think I have the outfit. Right? And, and 2 days later, I'm21:08 face to face with the devil himself. I mean, I I I with people who are selling children21:20 and negotiated this deal, the conversation went really dark, Too dark for this podcast. Just imagine this these guys talking about horrific things21:32 that they would do to these kids. And then moving forward, what really changed my life is the day of the sting, the day of the party. I'm 2 things that happened that changed my life forever. Number 1,21:44 the trafficker had brought out some children. They were what he called 0 kilometer miles. These were innocent children. 1121:56 years old, this little boy. This other little girl was also 11. And and her standing in front of me, I was I was sitting down, and she was standing up, and we were almost eye level. And22:08 I could see into her heart, and I all I could see was fear. And I took her little hands. They were shaking. I22:20 wanted to say, you're gonna be fine. You're gonna see your parents. You know? I I couldn't I couldn't say that. The it was still part of the sting. The agent hadn't come and arrested everybody, and I and I I I just said22:30 Estebien. It's it's okay. And, there was tear stains in her makeup face. She had a little kitty cat on her shirt. She had long, red,22:42 braided hair. And looking into her eyes, I made a promise at that moment to myself, to God, to that little girl. I made a22:54 promise that I would I would dedicate my life to eradicating that evil from the face of the earth. I couldn't imagine anything worse. And,23:07 after that, the agents came, stormed the party, arrested everybody, and the child protective services people came in with the children. And they they were trying to calm them down, and they were laughing23:19 and singing with the could hear him in there. And that that sound of freedom, that laughing and singing compared to the crying that we heard half an hour before, that was that sound of freedom was the most beautiful23:28 sound that I ever heard. And, I turned to the operator who was with me, and I said, bro, I said, I I've spent my whole life making money, making rich people richer. I I wanna make a23:40 difference. I wanna I wanna fund missions. I wanna help. What do you need? And he said, Paul, he said, sadly, there's a big part of this demand that comes from23:53 he says, I don't know how to tell you this. He says, but they come from people like you. I said, what do you mean people like me? He says, people with big arrogance type energy, and that's kinda where I was24:05 at the time. I I was a founder of a multibillion dollar company. I had a massive house with 10 bathrooms and 8 private suites. I had 2 helicopters. I mean, this was this was this arrogant life that I was living,24:17 and I I he said he said the traffickers are used to people in that kind of energy. He says if you're willing to be the bait, I'll change your whole life. So that was the24:29 beginning of what ended up being 10 years of undercover work and helping to identify and rescue children. And now the the Child Liberation Foundation, that's our foundation today, together with foundations that we24:41 have funded and and, and helped get started. Over 7000 children are have been rescued. However, we're averaging over 6000 children a month now that we are24:53 that we are stopping from being trafficked through our our foundations that we fund that that have guys that are on borders that are that are identifying trafficking before they're happening, our our situational our our25:05 awareness programs, our certification programs for doctors, etcetera. We took down 1 of the largest trafficking rings in in all of the in South America between Ecuador and25:17 Peru because of those certification programs put together by the Child Liberation Foundation. So incredibly grateful for the literally hundreds of millions of children that are safer today25:29 because of the good people that saw the movie and are a part of this great mission.25:35 Yeah. So let's let's talk about that a little bit. And I'm gonna encourage everybody. I wanna transition to the book. Get the book. Right? The story he just told, I'm very familiar with because he does a great job25:45 telling the story in the book. This book reads like a thriller. And we're gonna do a little bit of a deep dive into some of the stories in here because I think there's a there there in terms of just how do you go into25:55 those situations. I mean, talk about leaning on your faith and and step of faith. But let's talk a little bit about the book. The movie came out in 20 23. It was the big movie in opening weekend. I26:07 think it beat Indiana Jones, as I recall. It was another big26:11 And it beat out Mission Impossible.26:13 Big production. You did the26:14 Impossible Mission by beating out Mission Impossible.26:16 Unbelievable. Right? These are some of the biggest franchises in Hollywood. They print money with these things, and you guys just absolutely came out of nowhere and and and printed a big26:28 weekend and got everybody's attention. I think some new theaters picked it up, and it really got some momentum. But now here we are 2 years removed, and you're you're out on the campaign trail, if you will, promoting the26:40 book. What's what's the impetus behind the book? Why the book? Obviously, the same title as a film. Why now? How does this fit into your overall strategy?26:49 Well, first of all, when, when we put the movie together, I never wanted to go public. In fact, that's why we we had my character named Pablo Delgado, not Paul Hutchinson. I I wasn't even gonna have my name27:01 on the credits even though I was the primary investor in the film, because I loved doing the work in in in rescuing the kids. There was it was it was it was so27:13 fulfilling to know that these children were back with their families. But after 5 years of the book or of the movie literally being cut off at the knees by Hollywood, we couldn't27:25 get any distribution. I I thought at the time, well, that was a waste of an investment. And there wasn't the momentum moving forward that we needed to in terms of the voice of of what was27:36 really going on with trafficking. And so my wife and my daughter, they they convinced me you need to go public. And I says, you know, I don't wanna go public. I don't want the spotlight on me. Number 1, I I I don't I27:48 don't want the the the plight of these children to drive people to paul hutchinson official dot com. I mean, I don't want that. Right? I don't want I don't want any of of that. This needs to be about the kids. And plus,27:59 that's gonna be dangerous for us as a family if that happens. And they said, no. If God protected you on those missions, God will protect our family in in going public. And so I28:11 was convinced that I okay. I need to go public with these stories. I did my first podcast. This is before the movie was even picked up by Angel Studios. Did my first podcast that got shared tens of thousands of times28:22 within the first couple weeks alone and then got started picking up by others. And I thought, okay. Maybe I need to start sharing the story. And I I, I started sharing the story, and, and then Angel Studios picked28:34 up the the contract on the movie. And then the movie, boom, comes out, and I I recognize that so many people see the movie, and they're like, wow. I I wanna do something. I wanna help. And and I tell them the worst thing28:46 you can do is go undercover in Mexico and try to rescue kids. You're you're gonna get arrested. You're probably gonna get shot. The best thing you can do is go home and hug your children. People are like, well, how does28:55 that help? And I recognize that, yes, the movie created awareness, but there wasn't tangible tools for parents to use to keep their children safe. And so so I thought, okay. What29:07 can I do to give the tools? Well, if I if I write a book and start out in the beginning with the the the training of an an undercover operator and give the the parents the the the tools of29:19 situational awareness and reading a room and knowing how to identify when children are are in a a potential situation that could put them in danger, etcetera, And and and teach them the things that that29:31 I learned, that we teach even the kids in the safe houses on on Krav Maga and hand to hand combat, etcetera. And then really delve into the missions and walk people through this29:43 emotional transformation that I went through. And then the end of the book, the last 5 chapters, all about liberating humanity. In fact, my website, liberating humanity, is giving29:54 parents tools they need not only to help keep their kids safe, but tools they need to heal. Because we all need to heal in some way. And coming back to our our moral foundations,30:06 everybody has sinned. There's only 1 perfect person that's ever lived, and that ain't me and that ain't you. And we all need to come to a place where we can shed those things of our past. Everything that's happened to30:17 us, whether it was abuse in our own childhood, whether it was things that we have done that were out of alignment, everything can be healed. They're all gonna require the help of God to do so. And30:29 and knowing that the big picture of of eradicating child trafficking was not going to come from me doing a thousand more undercover missions and rescuing children. Because30:41 pulling children out of hell is never gonna fix the problem. We've got to pull the hell out of humanity. We've got to take away the demand. We've got to solve for that. We've got to figure out what is30:53 causing this. Why a trafficker would traffic a child? Why somebody would go to Mexico and do these horrible things to kids. And and recognizing all of that, I knew that we needed to have these conversations,31:05 and we needed to give parents the tools they needed so that we don't have to deal with child trafficking 10, 20 years in the future.31:12 Yeah. There's a principle I learned in an apologetics class I took years ago, and I teach this in business. I use it myself. Anytime I wanna transform my results, I follow this formula, which31:24 is what you think and believe affects what you do, and what you do affects the results you produce. And so if you have a bad result, you gotta move back through the food chain, not just what is happening that isn't31:36 working, but why is it happening and what belief system is that rooted in. And when you take the concept of a creator god, when you take out the concept of abundance,31:48 when you put people in a situation where they feel like they live in a dog eat dog world, nothing matters, they're the product of random chance, and it's just every man for himself because32:00 tomorrow we die, you're gonna get a society that behaves and feels and and and acts a certain way. And so that was 1 of the things we talked about, you know, because you do a lot of these interviews. Some people watching32:12 this right now have heard you speak many times. And 1 of the things I wanted to do, and not just this interview, but we're gonna do 2 more. So the next 1, we're gonna talk about your personal journey, your personal32:22 transformation, and how you went from the man you were to the man you are. And then in the last 1, we're gonna talk a little bit about this concept of being a purpose driven mainstream32:34 capitalism. We have a special guest coming in to to do that. So, we're gonna spend the day in the studio today, which is exciting. And for those of you at home, you're gonna get a chance to, kinda get 3 doses of Paul32:44 Hutchinson from different angles. He's like a fine diamond. And to appreciate him, we gotta look at him from the different angles. But you're also a business person. And, you know, the 1 scene where you guys32:56 had dropped the code word tequila, and you're waiting for the agents to show up. Right? Because it's party time, and they're about to parade these kids off expecting you to do horrible things. And, you know, you guys are33:08 enrolled, but you're not gonna go there, and you're stalling. So you're you know, the the the way the story reads is you're quickly going, okay. Well, let's let's start working on the business of this. Let me understand33:17 the supply chain. Let me understand the demand. What's the business model? How are we gonna make money? How are we gonna run this thing? But if you apply that same type of thinking, and you kind of alluded to it, but I33:27 really wanna draw it out so people understand. You got the end result. Children being trafficked. They're sold for sex until their bodies are no longer useful for that. Then you pull the organs out of them and just cast33:38 the carcass off to the side. Just extract maximum profit from this this innocent little piece of humanity. And I agree with you. I can't imagine anything more depraved, more unnatural than any human being not33:50 sacrificing everything to protect a child. Right? It's just so it's almost so hard to believe it's you can't believe it's true. And I think a big important part of the book is is is to tell that story. And in some ways,34:01 the book is even more powerful than the movie, having now read the book and seen the movie. The movie, you it kinda comes and goes and you're when you watch a movie, you're in passive mode. You're you're being fed34:12 information. It's very visual. Your brain isn't doing a lot of connecting the dots. But when you're reading, you're in active mode, and your imagination is working. You're more engaged with material. At least that's the34:21 way I find in you know, anybody's ever seen a book that I've read, you know, it's all it's all highlighted and dog eared and and tagged. And I really like to dig into the nuances of what the author is saying.34:34 I'm proud to be part of the team at PS Studios, the top podcast production studio in the nation. We support creators and businesses just like this 1, handling everything from launch to growth. If you want a podcast that34:46 actually moves the needle, visit p s studios dot c o.34:54 1 of the things here is that you've got the end result of these horrible things, and then you've got the the actions and then the thought process. But there's there's a supply chain. There's a supply and demand35:06 dynamic because they they're running it. It's a business. It's a commercial enterprise. And so in business, Gary Keller wrote the great book, The 1 Thing, You know, rather than just play whack a mole and try and deal35:17 with what's happening out here, how do we go back to the root cause? And I think you've alluded to it, but I wanna I wanna kind of expand that and transition from, you know, really identifying the problem so that we can35:28 then go in as a society, whether we're prayer warriors, whether we're making financial donations, whether we're volunteering in some way, shape, or form, we become part of promoting and getting the word out. Obviously,35:40 you know, first thing I heard said when I met you and heard the story, I just came up and said, how can I help? And you said, well, do you know any influencers? And I said, well, I I am 1. I'm not aShow more In this video 0:00 Faith, Capitalism, and the Fight Against Evil
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