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The Journey to Authentic Faith 0:22 Welcome to Grace Grace with Naina Michelle. I'm Michelle Humphreys. And I am Naina Teagan. Welcome to the broadcast today. We are filming live here at in RV in Dallas, Texas. It is the largest gathering of0:34 Christian communicators in the world, and it's been amazing to see what God is doing. And our guest here today is just precious. I love her. She just speaks to me and all that she does. Needs0:46 no introduction. You all, I'm sure, know her, but we're gonna introduce her anyway. She really doesn't need an introduction. What we love about this guest is that she really knows the Lord, and she's authentic.0:58 Our next guest has followed in the footsteps of her father, televangelist, dad to become a pastor. Kelly Copeland wears many hats. She is an author, actress, inspirational1:10 speaker, vocalist, television host, and the senior pastor of the children's ministry at Eagles Mountain Church. She is also famous as the daughter of pastor Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, the founders and1:22 pastor of Kenneth Copeland ministries.1:24 She is1:25 the author of Awake to His Presence and many other books. Will you please welcome Kelly Copeland? Kelly, welcome. Go to the tee.1:34 That's a very impressive list. Yeah. Live it, breathe it, walk it1:38 out, and I you know, I I'm just I'm I'm gonna say I I I rarely read a lot of books other than the Bible. I just feel like the Bible's the place, you know, and I will thumb through certain books, but1:49 your book has been such a blessing to me. You all have to get her her book. We'll talk about it at the end where they can find it. But, like, God even spoke to me 1 day to open to a certain page, and2:01 it was exactly what I needed to hear that day, and it's been such a blessing, and I still go back to it. And I devoured that 1. And so you, you know, the way you speak, the way you teach, the2:13 way you preach really, really resonates with me and speaks to me, and I just love your heart with the Lord. You're so hungry and thirsty and and, it's just precious. And so so, yeah, what what how would you tell2:25 people, like, what is a good way to to get ahold of the Lord? Like, how does that work for you on a daily basis? Like, what do you do?2:32 Well, I think it's important not to give people impression that my days look perfect every day or every week or every month, but I did begin I began my2:44 journey listening and having a conversation. So, many times we call that quiet time, and I'm like, I don't think that's a good word because we get in there and we think we have to2:56 be quiet or we have to just talk. Yet we get in there and we talk the entire time to God. Or we get in there and we think quiet. But if you flip that, I mean, I3:08 would never think of a I sit down with you guys, and I've had a chance to sit down with you per you know, just on trips and things that we've done and for different opportunities and fundraisers and stuff. And sitting3:20 down3:20 with y'all here, I would not call this quiet. I mean,3:22 we got 3 women talking. It's not quiet. And we don't yet look at god Jesus' house. I started focusing on Jesus himself as a person that I'm supposed to connect3:34 with. He's my human. 1 day, he's like, oh, you're my human. You know? And so I started calling it conversation to myself. And he I just wanted that3:46 so bad, but I just was in a hurting place from divorce and this and that and other multiple things going on in my life. Kind of a that, you know, thing that can happen in your fifties3:58 where things just go. Oh, yeah. We know. I think maybe you slow down long enough to go, wait. I don't like that how that's happening to me. Anyway, and I just saw them. I said, lord,4:10 I I want to talk to you, but I'm setting my clock for whatever time I needed to get up for my day. And I just said, you can wake me up earlier if you want to. That's so wimpy. I mean, I've4:22 told so many people that, and it's like, wasn't anything great that I set out to do. I wanted it. That's all he needs is a yield, a yes from us to come and4:34 invade deeper. Because, of course, he's in my heart. He's in my spirit. But my soul, my mind, my will, my emotion needs to be invaded. Yeah. But you gotta throw open the door for the invasion4:46 to start. And so about 2 weeks later, he started waking me up. And sometimes the first 1 was very intense. And I'm like, I got up. I went to the living room, and I just started writing what4:58 he was saying. I was writing so fast.5:00 10.5:01 Just to try to record what he was saying to me. It's almost like my mind was not engaged. It went from spirit of God to pen. And I realized that that's a really great way to hear5:13 from the Lord when you're intentionally conversing. And somehow in that, I started in my journal to write what I thought as well. Like, I never had thought about that. You can talk to the Lord. You can write stuff down.5:25 But if you write your part down, later you can go back and you can really see what God was saying to you and how your heart's responding, become honest on paper.5:36 Yeah. I am. It's it's not like he's surprised by any of it anyway. No. Well Recently, just opened my bible, and I got just straight up and saw Jesus is the open door. Jesus.5:48 And I think right now, you know, we have our, thank God, new administration in office. And I feel like we have a window because we don't know what's gonna happen in 46:00 years or whatever. It's coming around the the the corner where, you know, there was, you know, evangelism, Christian, Christian, everything was basically shut down and canceled6:12 and all of that. So we feel like we have this window back where we have a freedom of speech where people aren't gonna get arrested for free and whatever was happening. And so what do you think about6:24 the timeline? Like, do you feel like there's an urgency? That's kind of what we are feeling, like and things are just about to blow up in a good way Yeah. You know, for for Jesus, and he's gonna just, like, you6:36 know, revival that's coming in a big way and all that. So what do you think about that? Like, what what do you feel like6:42 the lord is saying? What's on your remark? A hundred percent I agree with that. And, I mean, I've been preaching and talking about well, every time I have an opportunity and when I say that, I don't mean platform6:53 necessarily. They're just, like, friends or people show up and they want help from me count, like, coaching wise in their life. And, I mean, people think, why would you listen to her? She's been divorced. I'm like,7:05 right. I know some stuff. But you God carries you through all that stuff and through the hurt and through the trauma that you begin to release as you get honest with him.7:19 And he took me through a heavy correction. You know, when you're going through a trauma or whether whatever relationship breakdown there might be, it's always for you, it's about this person,7:30 this situation. And for the Lord, he's like, no. Let's talk about you. And that's the best thing.7:36 That's the Lord part.7:37 It doesn't. And yet, you can't do anything about the other person. Exactly. So frustrating to want someone else to change so you can be better. But when you get with Jesus,7:49 you realize how many people, how many things, how many circumstances, how many idols you've walked been walking with between you and Jesus. So you give him that8:01 direct connection and access to you, you're gonna get corrected. And I think we've run from that. Well, we do. We we run from it with each other. Yes. Don't tell me how I'm wrong. I'm gonna throw it back at you and8:13 tell me why you're messing me up. Right? Well, right. And and8:16 the Bible says that God chastens those he loves. He does. You know? And and it says a fool slaps back when they're corrected. Yeah. Only the wise will receive and change. And so8:28 it's so important that we have iron sharpening friends Yeah. And a a relationship with the Lord so that we can be chastened and receive it and change our way. And he's so8:40 merciful. Yeah. Oh. The gentle convictions because think about, you know, I mean, everyday worst, filthy rags. Right? What he's could be judging and saying and doing. And so he but it's just because8:52 he he wants our lives to be blessed, and he he wants us to have all that he has in sport for us. And it'll wave it to unforgiveness and those things which we know you and I have been through some very similar things.9:04 Is extremely hard to to forgive sometimes.9:08 Hello, everyone. I'm excited to announce the next generation of energy drinks, Rev 7. It has no sugar and no caffeine. Instead, Rev 7 uses go b h9:20 b. Go b h b is 1 of the body's primary ketones, and it provides the most efficient and clean fuel that your body needs. It also helps you stay energized all day with no9:32 crashes. Not only that, it produces 3 times more brain energy than sugar, which helps boost your memory, focus, and mental sharpness. It also helps reduce stress and helps balance your9:44 mood. Rev 7 does all that while being the best tasting energy drink ever. So go to my pillow dot com or call the number on your screen. Use your promo code to save 20 percent today.9:56 I'm so sure you're gonna love Rev 7. For a limited time, you get our introductory 3 pack absolutely free. I drink Rev 7 every day, and I absolutely love it, and so will you.10:08 So what do you think about, like, in the this this time? For such a time as this. Yeah. Like, what do you think that is what's the most important thing on your heart right now for10:19 us and now? Honestly, it's the heart of the church. Amen. The heart of the body of Christ. I I say all this, everything else said and what y'all are saying is so important to10:31 normalize for ourselves that we're messed up. Yeah. I just feel like Yeah. It has to be like, of course. Yes. And we need to realize we're in the10:43 midst of just the craziest stuff happening, and we are in a time when God has broken some things loose, some spiritual heaviness that was on this10:54 nation. Yes. You see it on the nation, but you forget to realize if it's on the nation, then it's on your house. Yes. If it's on the nation, then that same heaviness is hitting your church, hitting ministers,11:06 hitting moms, hitting marriages, hitting teenagers, hitting children with thoughts of suicide. I mean, it's just it's that thing that we that this nation gave11:18 open door to. And I know I was at the million women True.11:23 I was good.11:24 I was good. I was good. Yes. And after that, the Lord, the next morning, he said, you should expect to see change. Those things have been broken, and it's almost immediately you started seeing the flip. I11:36 mean, it's funny that today, kids are coming home from I heard this report. Kids are coming home from college, and their liberal moms are so upset with them because their mindset has been flipped. I'm like, you11:47 know, get used to it. We've been living like that for decades. Exactly. And what I wanna say about that is that I feel like what I've been trying to say to people about lean11:59 into the correction. Hebrews 12 says, you know, it talks about I mean, Hebrews 11, we all know what that says. Hebrews 12 is talking about a shaking. So that in the very12:11 end of the thing, we're unshakable to the enemy. God has to take this church from a very we've got so many open doors, all of us. All of us have open doors to the12:23 enemy. We just don't realize what they are. But as the shepherd of our soul, he wants to come in and say, hey. That's jealousy. And you're like, okay.12:34 Where? How? What is that? What lie am I believing, Lord? Where where am I missing that? And if you will just stop and listen for a conversation, the shepherd of our soul, he has been12:46 tasked by the father to shepherd us. He is the messenger. He is the 1 who, according to the word, we hear his voice. I see. So12:58 if we'll lean into that, he can correct us in the midst of divorce. He can correct us if you're in ministry and maybe you messed up or somebody messed up or you just feel like people are13:10 lying about you and it looks like messed up or your family's messed up. Open the heart for him to get in there. Be right. And he can correct us in the midst of a hangnail if we'll13:21 let him.13:22 Yeah. It's just we need13:24 to be open to him to change. We say all these things like in Hebrews 12, it's like, don't forget my encouraging word, correction. Yeah. And it's after correction that13:36 we can lift up our hands, and we can strengthen weak knees, that we can run and not grow weary, we can walk and not faint. That is after correction. And surrender. Exactly.13:48 Because you think about it, it's like so many people, you know, they chase after the blessings, the blessed of blessed but you know what? There's you're you're you have to back up and and know what what do you have to13:58 do? What are where's your last place of disobedience? Maybe this is why you're not seeing blessings that you're praying for or what you're standing at. Where where do you need to go back and maybe correct some things?14:10 Yeah. What has God been saying? And, you know, if you really stop this, we'll say that where's the where's the first place? It's 1 of the things we say to our kids. We're let's go back to the first place of disobedience.14:19 Where do you think stuff started to go wrong? And, you know, when you're saying about the church, he's coming to judge the church first. And even in, you know, when everybody's praying for the land, it says, if my people14:30 Oh,14:30 you mean.14:31 Who are called by my name, will humble themselves, pray, and seek my face, I will tear you from heaven and heal your land. He's not saying if the evil people will repent. That's wrong. He's saying my people, that's us.14:41 That's a church. We all have need to repent because we've had spaces where the enemy had real estate. And you know, you can't pray for God to expose or judge DCCorrection, Surrender, and Revival 14:53 without praying he judges you. If you pray to expose something, it's exposing it's going to expose you. Exactly. And then And this time that we're in, it's so easy to, like,15:05 thinking about, well, you know, what you're seeing on TV or this ministry or that ministry, it's just so heartbreaking.15:11 Yeah. You're welcome.15:12 What is you wanna focus on and say, god, the enemy is doing this. But if we can shift our gaze and say, the Lord, Lord, what do you do? Because15:24 it's a time of justice. And if it's a time of justice, it's going to get us off.15:30 Well, exactly. You were always praying to do something great for15:34 God. Yeah.15:34 I mean, every Christian desires to do something great for God. Well, how do you get there? Change. Discipline is hard at first. That's what the Bible said. Discipline is hard15:46 at first, but it produces a harvest Yes. Of righteousness. Yes. So you want to do something great for God. Right. Yes. That's how you do it. And really discipline first.15:58 If I could just let say this, it's a journey with God that will produce that. We've spent thousands of years trying to do it ourselves.16:06 Sick.16:07 You know, all of the lists of things like, and for instance, Ephesians talks about stop lying, stop doing this. If you read the whole book, it's really saying those are not16:19 qualifications to be right. That's just proof that he's in you. Yeah. That's proof he's coming out of you. All these things. We've been trying to walk this life and do right without16:30 the grace, all grace grace, without his power on us to change us. This is Christ. Lean into the change, lean into the journey with him. Forget about16:42 what people think. I don't care. You're just gonna have to forget that.16:46 I don't16:46 care how big you are Right. Or how unknown you are. Forget about what everybody thinks, and just lean into him and walk through because every word he says will come with the power to walk it out or16:58 the release of peace in your heart to be able to not have those driving things in us causing causing us to walk in the flesh, causing us sin. I I always17:10 feel like we we are all17:12 we're serving audience 1. You know? That's all I care about. It's like and I say people are gonna love you and people are gonna hate you and it's got nothing to do with you. And so if God is happy with what I'm17:24 doing or at least, well, my my attempts,17:27 you know, like, he knows he knows what we17:30 what we're trying to do or what we want to do or want to do better. You know, that's all we care about because nothing else matters. And at at a certain point, it's like, what it it's it's all of the the17:41 rest, the things that we've worried about, and the things that have held us back is is just, you know, it's 1 more step around the mountain, really. I mean, when are we gonna let these things go so that you can have the17:52 freedom to just go and be and do what he's actually called you to do?17:56 Yes. And when you do something that you think, oh, I shouldn't have done that, take that to the Lord to say, what was that? Where did that originate from? Because there's nothing we do out here that didn't18:08 originate. Down in here from a trauma, a wound, a hurt, you would be shocked at how quickly you can get to the root, give it to him. I mean, we like to give him our best, but he really wants our18:20 worst. Can you give us an example of that? Like, how does that work18:23 for you? Like, if you yeah. When you're trying to give so ask me in the Lord where something came from, do you have anything so you want, you18:29 know, that Yeah. I was I was walking past a monitor 1 day, and I just felt this ick towards the person that was talking.18:41 And I was like, ugh. You know? And I said, I walked 2 more steps because I've been in this process with the lord long enough to know that something is there.18:53 Jesus. And I said, alright, Lord. What is that? And he said, jealousy. What? And I said19:01 Yes.19:02 Oh, didn't think I had that. Then he said he said, you're jealous because but, he said, but that's not what I've called you to19:13 do.19:14 Listen.19:15 What they're doing right now is not what I've called you to do. Right. And I'm like, oh my word. Wow. And I was like, how can I be jealous of someone walking in their calling?19:27 I'm doing something that he's put in my heart to do, and it just erased it. But it also gives you the opportunity to say, where was that birth out? Lord, what lie am I believing? And he will show19:39 you. And I I just I think right now, even as we watch people go through trouble and trauma. Yeah. There you go. He told me the other day, I was take praying for somebody, you're visible, that's going19:51 through stuff. Not just somebody, many people. And as he said, if people stand and point, they'll be next. He said, you watch and pray, just like he20:03 told Peter. Watch and pray, and you will not enter into temptation. In other words, let what's happening here cause you to go to the Lord and say, Lord, what is it? What do I need to do on your20:15 knees? But he said, people that are standing and pointing will be next. It was a very heavy word. What? If you see someone happening in the news, it's hard. Like, I see your life or you're giving me trouble, and20:27 I'm, like, judging you with my pointy finger. He said those will be next. Scary. But you can get on your knees. Exactly. Whether someone's hurting you or you see20:38 something going on out here, go to your knees and ask the lord of what do I need to change? What lie the what's wrong with me? Let me give you questions. Lord, what's wrong with me? They'll tell20:50 you. Might be a long answer. What lie am I believing? Book ready. Exactly. What lie am I believing, and what's the truth about that? And when you start21:02 out riding, you can just be in the car, and he'll tell you some bomb you're driving, and he bombs you with some truth because you're in conversation with him now.21:12 And you're like, I was just gonna go buy some eggs.21:15 Yeah. And that was That21:17 is a great word.21:18 Well, we only have21:19 a few minutes.21:20 It it's gone by so fast. We love you. How can people find you, and will you pray for the people? Absolutely. My website is kelly coporn dot com. I'm on social media, Instagram,21:32 and, Kelly, Kelly show. And, also, we just started a YouTube channel, so they can find me there. Pleasurely. Find the show, the book, and also, of21:44 course, on Overcomer's TV. I'm glad to be on this network. We love your parents too. I've been so blessed by their ministry as well21:51 as well.21:51 We have to rightly divide the word. Such wisdom, and I've just you know, I21:56 listen to their sentiments, you21:57 know, all the time. So and Jesus needs them all. And I just pray for us today that we can allow the Lord to meet us in our heart, get rid of pride, humble our heart,22:09 put him first. That's really the key to beginning to worship him is just say, okay, Lord. I now take you first. You are first in my life, beyond anyone.22:20 And and I pray for us that he will walk us on the journey to wholeness, to peace, to become an overcoming church, a church without spot or wrinkle, and aLiving as Light in a Dark World 22:32 a a devil kicker invading his territory, taking back what belongs to Jesus.22:39 Amen. The gates of hell22:40 will come. Of hell. For real. Amen. God bless you, Kelly. Thank you so much for joining us today. We just love you. And thank you.22:48 We we Love you. Precious for joining our broadcast. God bless you.22:52 Horizon Media Studios and Lindell TV sending out a special thank you and blessings to everyone who came by to say hello and visit with us at booth 9 1 1 during NRB 2023:04 25. Keep in touch, and we hope to connect with you again in the coming year.23:13 We wanna honor God because he sees everything. You were born with a plan and a purpose.23:29 He's the god of all things possible. He's the god of all miracles.23:39 Hello, everyone. I'm excited to announce the next generation of energy drinks, Rev 7. It has no sugar and no caffeine. Instead, Rev 7 uses go b h23:51 b. Go b h b is 1 of the body's primary ketones, and it provides the most efficient and clean fuel that your body needs. It also helps you stay energized all day with no24:03 crashes. Not only that, it produces 3 times more brain energy than sugar, which helps boost your memory, focus, and mental sharpness. It also helps reduce stress and helps balance24:15 your mood. Rev 7 does all that while being the best tasting energy drink ever. So go to my pillow dot com or call the number on your screen. Use your promo code to save 20 percent today.24:27 I'm so sure you're gonna love Rev 7. For a limited time, you get our introductory 3 pack absolutely free. I drink Rev 7 every day, and I absolutely love it, and so will you.24:42 We are not called just to live in God's light, but we are called to reflect it. Every day and in every interaction, we have an opportunity to be light.24:53 I think God is saying that NRB, to all of the ministries represented here, you gotta move because night's coming when no man can work. You gotta go now. I will give you strength, but you gotta go.25:06 And a 12 year old kid ran out of the theater, fell on his knees, and started crying, And the kid said, I finally understand who Jesus is. That's my why.25:17 We all have our our why of why we do this. Me personally is, you know, I wake up every morning, I pray for revival. I go to bed every night, I pray for revival.25:31 It's the strategy. If we're to go into all the world and make disciples, what are some of the strategic ways that we can do that? We have a moral imperative to step up, up, to be able to be part of the solution,25:43 allow God's toolings that he's allowed to come into existence to accomplish his purpose.25:48 Not to let the darkness25:49 take over these new avenues, these new methods, these new medium.25:53 Every day and in every interaction, we have an opportunity to be light.25:57 3 percent of all wars that can be attributed to religion.26:06 Some of you are helps ministry. Some of you are social services. Some of you do Bible studies. Some of you are in television or radio. Some of you are involved in in the cultural battles that are26:18 going on. But whatever it is you're involved in, we can be the voice that this world needs.26:45 Why do atheists care so much about Christians anyway? Well, they tell you this. Religion is bad. It's the cause of most wars. But again, evidence shows differently. It shows26:57 that out of 1763 documented wars, only a hundred and 23 were due to religion. That's between 6 and 7 percent. When you take out Islam, that only leaves 327:08 percent of all wars that could be attributed to religion.27:31 RDOF uses logic and reasoning.27:33 RDOF has empowered my sons to defend their faith with facts.27:37 If you wanna be equipped to defend against the biggest objections to the existence of God, RDOF is the place for you.27:48 Has science really ruled out God? Is faith at war with science? If you wanna be equipped to respond to these claims and more, check out r d o f dot org.28:06 The evidence he presents is so powerful and overwhelming.28:09 Incredibly compelling, yet easily understandable.28:14 To book a presentation or watch our free videos, go to r d o f dot org or find us on Facebook at RDOF events.In this video 0:00 The Journey to Authentic Faith14:44 Correction, Surrender, and Revival22:32 Living as Light in a Dark World
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