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New Insights on the Dangers of the Abortion Pill with Dr Bill Lile and Robyn Chambers
December 23, 2025 · 25 min
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The Urgent Call to Protect Life Post-Dobbs 0:04 We're not just saving that 1 pregnancy, we're not just saving that 1 teeny tiny little heart, we have we are saving an entire generation, an entire family unit, which is gonna be multi0:15 generational. Women deserve better.0:25 John, this is such an important discussion, this idea of life in our culture. Since the Dobbs decision at the Supreme Court, which basically brought down Roe v. Wade. It's all gone to the states now.0:36 Some states have restricted, more restricted abortion. And man, I'm pleased with that. We have maybe 100000 babies alive now and thriving that would not have0:48 had life. That right there is the image of God. I mean, He is life and about life.0:55 And0:55 then blue states have decided to go even deeper into the darkness to make abortion unfettered, basically, right up until the child's coming through the birth canal. And1:07 that to me is such evil. And we want to point out those stark differences and bring you up to date with what's happening with the abortion pill, what the landscape looks like. It's more1:18 of an information day on the issue of life. And we wanna equip you so that you're able to have those conversations, informed conversations that allow you to speak with clarity, with1:30 professional input from doctor Bill Lyle and from Robin about what's going on. So I'm looking forward to it. Doctor. Lyle and Robin, welcome to Focus. Good to have you back, both of you.1:41 Thank you for having me.1:42 Thank you very much.1:43 The main reason I wanted to talk with you today and Robin was there has been a recent study that's just been released by the Ethics and Public Policy Center, and it's groundbreaking because what1:55 they did is they looked at, I think, over 800850 thousand women in this study to determine the impact of the abortion pill. Why don't you, kind of lay that out for us?2:07 What was the study, the methodology? People are now, the journalists are now beginning to attack certainly Planned Parenthood, beginning to attack the methodology, and this is really not a solid study.2:19 But as a doctor and reading the material, how do you read the study?2:24 Well, we look at the study. It included over 865000 women who had taken the abortion pill. A huge study. In fact, this study was 28 times2:36 larger than the combination of all 10 studies, which led to the approval of the abortion pill. They looked at the Medicaid charts. They looked at the private insurance charts. They looked at the2:48 military charts of people who had received the abortion pill, but then presented for complications afterwards. They looked at diagnosis codes. They looked at prescriptions for the abortion pill, and they also looked3:00 at procedures that were being done. And the results were stunning. They found that 11 percent of these patients had serious adverse events. They didn't look at the mild. They didn't3:12 look at the the moderate. They looked at the serious or life threatening events only. And what they found was that 11 percent of all these women had a serious reaction. I mean, there were over3:24 40000 people that had to go to the ER. There were 28000 people that presented with hemorrhage. For 24000 needed to have an additional surgery like a D and C. But then what was3:36 really significant is they found that over 3000 people had ectopic pregnancy. And we know that we expected that because the number 1 killer of women in the first trimester of3:47 pregnancy is a ruptured ectopic or tubal pregnancy. 1 in 100 women, between 1 and 2 percent of all pregnant women, the pregnancies will be ectopic or3:59 tubal. So when the abortion pill is going up by the hundreds and thousands of pills, we know that 1 out of 100 of those women will statistically have a life threatening ectopic4:11 pregnancy, and the abortion pill is in no way a treatment for an ectopic pregnancy. Women are being harmed, and it's much higher than the rate of what we were told to expect, which was 0.54:22 percent. It is actually 11 percent are being harmed.4:27 Bill, let me ask you this. You know, over the last 25 years, I think this, pharmaceutical solution has been used. But the access for women has increasedHidden Dangers: Abortion Pill Access and Tragedies 4:39 because the abortion industry has lobbied, I think, in many ways, and big pharma probably as well, to make it more accessible. So the patients, these pregnant4:50 women, take these pills home. They don't have to be in a hospital. They don't have to be under direct supervision of the doctor. Talk about the progression of how all5:02 of that is converged to make this far more dangerous for women than what the abortion industry is willing to talk about and why they're attacking this study so hard.5:14 Well, when the abortion pill was originally approved, it was only approved up to 7 weeks gestation. It was mandatory that there were 3 visits with a physician. You had to have it either dispensed in5:26 a clinic or an office or in a hospital. You had to have an ultrasound to make sure the pregnancy was inside of the uterus. You had to have follow-up, but there were lots of restrictions. Now the5:38 restrictions which were meant to provide a safety net for these moms have been dropped by the different presidents. They were, you know, decreased by president Clinton, decreased by Biden, and decreased5:50 by, president Obama, all compromising the health and safety of the moms just because they wanted to get the abortion. The abortion looking down the road was the high6:01 priority. That was the first priority, not the health of the women. So it's not just available in offices. It is available mail order. It's available mail order from other countries, India, China,6:13 you don't know what you're getting from these countries, but also states that have made a stance and they want to be pro life where they put restrictions on the abortion pill. Abortion in Florida is now limited6:25 to 6 weeks or earlier, but now the abortion pill is being sent into Florida from other states. And 1 percent of the time, it will be an ectopic pregnancy. And so when women are6:37 getting the abortion pill in the mail, if your daughter has a cell phone, she has access to the abortion pill, and it can be mailed right to her. It's dangerous for the moms, but it's also always gonna be dangerous for6:48 the babies.6:49 Let's, revisit something that was tragic. It was so sad that it happened there in Georgia, but that young, woman, Amber Thurman, who did go to the doctor, she went out7:01 of state, to get the abortion pill and then returned home and took the pills and then had complications from that, much to the proof of what you're talking about.7:13 They blamed that on pro life legislation in Georgia that she didn't have access. But you countered that and said, no. This looks like perhaps more of a malpractice7:25 situation where the doctors didn't stay close to their patient. Unpack that for us because in the media, all we're hearing is this is evidence of terrible states that restrict abortion.7:36 Amber Nicole Thurman tragically is dead. Amber found out that she was pregnant with twins. They were 9 weeks along. She knew she could not get an abortion in the state of of, Georgia because they have a7:48 heartbeat law. It's meant to protect the live the babies. So she made an appointment out of state in North Carolina. She drove to North Carolina, hit a lot of traffic. She was scheduled for a surgical abortion,8:00 but she arrived too late, so they could not fit her into the surgical schedule. So they provided her with the abortion pill. They gave her instructions, and she drove back to Georgia. The clinic never8:12 called to see how she's doing. But 72 hours 3 days later, while she was back home in Georgia, she was really sick. She had a belly pain. She had a fever. She went to the local8:23 emergency room. The emergency room evaluated her. They performed an ultrasound, and it showed 2 babies on the inside. But here's the real key. Neither baby had a heartbeat.8:36 They called the OB who happened to be on call. The OB called in some antibiotics and said he would see her the next morning. Well, he didn't see her the next morning. He didn't see her for 20 hours8:48 later. When he did see her, she was septic. She was in shock. He would schedule her to have a DNC to remove these dead babies from the inside of her uterus, and that would be a good9:00 step, but it was very, very late. When they actually put her under anesthesia, the anesthesia doc said, hey. We are losing her. She is really going bad. They actually made an incision to do a9:12 hysterectomy. Then they got inside. Not only was the uterus infected, the bowel was infected, and she was in septic shock. Sadly, Amber Nicole Thurman died there on the operating room9:23 table, not because of a heartbeat law in the state of Georgia, but because of medical malpractice on the part of this physician and also because of a complication from the abortion pill.9:35 Neither baby had a heartbeat, and that was documented. So we cannot blame a heartbeat law that was passed in the state of Georgia, which was meant to defend and protect God's preborn in9:47 the womb.9:48 And in9:49 that context, doctor Lyle, when you look at, surgery of any kind, you know, those those drugs that are gonna do, hopefully, miraculous things in your10:00 body, but also come at great risk. I'm thinking of a stroke patient that has to sign a release to get that injection which thins out your blood to the point you have to be under supervision so that10:12 you do not harm yourself. They don't let you go home. You have to have that at a hospital. Speak to the politics of this. Where is the medical community going when they're gonna release a woman10:24 that has a now through this study, has an 11 percent chance of having a serious situation arise by taking that pill at home. Why is the medical10:36 community capitulating about politics?10:39 The end goal is they want more abortions. They want to attack the image of God in the womb. The safety of the moms is really secondary. The abortion pill has been available. It is widely available. The10:51 number of abortions haven't actually gone up since the Dobbs decision, and we see over 1000000 reported abortions each year. And we know that the reported abortions are over 63 percent of the time11:03 going to be with the abortion pill. But now we have great evidence that is a lot more dangerous, not 22 percent higher. This is 22 times the risk of severe11:15 adverse reactions for women than what we had previously been told. So we need to make an adjustment. We need to make a change.11:22 Well and we need to be honest with women and what their risks are, and that's the whole point. The fact that, Planned Parenthood and their allies are coming against this report says it all. And I'm soEmpowering Women: Support, Reversal, and Hope 11:34 appreciative of you giving us your time. You're gonna hang with us here. I do wanna turn to Robin. That was a long medical debrief we got from you, Bill, but I so appreciate it. Robin, you're the woman at the11:45 table. I mean, how does this make you feel when you come in the doors every day at FOCUS fighting for women, a, to make the right decision? You know, of course, abortion is an option. But having that child, keeping11:57 that child, allowing that child to live through adoption, all better options than terminating the life of the child. And you're doing that each and every day as you fight for this. What is your response12:09 to what Doctor. Lyle has said with that gross misuse of the abortion pill and the harm it is to women?12:17 I think it's really easy to think immediate anger, and I think that would be very fair to say maybe righteous anger.12:23 I think I'm leaning that way. Yeah. Can you feel it?12:26 Yes. But it also makes me very sad. It makes me sad that women are being lied to and told this is these 2 little pills will fix a problem. So we're calling pregnancy something that's made in the image of God, you know,12:37 assigned, you know, our our value is who we are made in the image of God. But the sadness comes from a woman who feels like that's her only choice. Where's her support system? Where's someone who comes alongside not just12:49 her body saying, yay, we're pregnant, but where's her support system to say, just can you can you just stop for a moment, take a breath, and talk to someone. Talk to, hopefully, father of the baby, her13:00 parents, siblings, a friend, a pastor. The fact that she feels like this is her only option makes me incredibly sad because something's happened in her life where she doesn't feel like she has the support13:12 to to have this baby, whether she chooses to parent or make an adoption plan. There's a sadness, a deep sadness there where she doesn't have that that support.13:21 And you've met with so many of these women, and, you know, you're over option ultrasound or project to put ultrasound machines in pregnancy resource centers around the country and My Choice Network, which is to13:33 kinda capture these independent, pregnancy centers and get under an umbrella, which is My Choice Network. Speak to that success, just going toe to toe with Planned Parenthood right here from Focus on the13:44 Family.13:45 You know,13:45 that's 1 of the things that I absolutely love about my what I do every day. You know, option ultrasound, when we first launched that 21 years ago, we thought at the time, well, it's just to show a woman what was13:57 going on inside her body. And and fast forward 21 years where, you know, doctor Lyle was talking about the abortion pill. It's so much more important now to have that ultrasound when you're talking about is the baby14:08 still alive? Is it ectopic? Is it a viable pregnancy? And our pregnancy centers have stepped into that and said, we're all in. We're under the supervision of a physician. We have our DMSs. We have nurses. This what we're14:19 providing through pregnancy centers because of optional ultrasound, that's true health care. This lie that women are being told that this little pill or these 2 pills will fix something, that's not health care. And focus14:30 was on the front lines. We were the very first ones to do any kind of of medical grants to a pregnancy center. And, Jim, we do machines. We do nurses training salaries. We do salaries for extended hours.14:41 We do abortion pre reversal training. Focus was on the front line in doing that before anyone thought about it.14:47 And there are others that are fighting for this prolife doc dot org, Bill. I mean, there the good thing about the effort, there's so many organizations and so many physicians and others that are in the fight, so to14:59 speak. And and we're 1 of those cogs in the wheel, but we are really happy with where things have gone. Speak to My Choice Network and what we're achieving there. That was 1 of the things we talked about.15:12 You know, there's a generation of young women who've really never not had a phone in their hand. And so they have instant information, instant, what they call solid information. And so we thought if there's a way to15:23 reach her on her phone and tell her, guess what? There's someone besides Planned Parenthood that you can talk to. Talk to someone who's not gonna make money from your decision. And so doing that through the My Choice15:35 Network, we handle all of the digital client marketing for pregnancy centers that have come through option ultrasound. And everything we do is to reach that young woman when she's panicking. And, Jim, you know my story.15:44 I've been there. There is a panic. There is a I gotta fix this. I gotta get information right away. She's scrolling on her phone and she sees an ad that says you're pregnant, got questions, you know, all of the different15:56 things that are going through her mind. And so she goes on her phone. She finds My Choice Network because we are on dating websites, we are on games. And so if you're playing a game on your phone, we have ads on those16:06 games and it reaches her to say there's a pregnancy center right down the road from you. And guess what? Their services are free. They're confidential. They're private. And the women that go into those centers say, I've16:16 never felt so safe. That word is so important to her to feel safe in that decision making process. We have almost 2800 pregnancy centers that we're working with. We can reach her on her phone through My Trace Network and16:28 get her into 1 of those centers.16:29 Yeah. That is so good. And, you know, the other thing and and, doctor Lyle, you can, I think, provide some perspective here as well? When you look at Planned Parenthood and the services that they16:41 provide, it's overwhelmingly abortion. Billy, any perspective? You work with a lot of pregnancy centers. Is that what you would, say as well?16:51 Oh, there's over 2000 pregnancy centers around the country, and they are meeting the needs of these moms. They're providing education. They're providing ultrasounds to see this baby, this blessing that's there on the17:02 inside. They're providing them with health care screenings. They're also having nurse friends and nurse practitioners there to help these moms. They are there to really be a holistic approach to meeting all of these17:14 needs, whether it is housing, whether it is food, whether it is education. Planned Parenthood has 1 goal. They wanna get the abortion. With the pregnancy centers, if the woman feels that she cannot raise this17:26 child on her own, they will associate them with somebody with who can adopt that baby. We have over 1000000 abortions performed each year in the United States. We have over 1000000 people that are on list trying to adopt17:37 a baby. We need to match them up.17:39 Yeah. I I think that's the greatest, potential success we could have is just creating a network to match that. That, Robin, is something you're working on.17:48 It is. We noticed that pregnancy centers weren't really sharing the adoption conversation. And so you start asking questions, and they believe in it. 100 percent believe in it. But the comments was, I don't feel17:58 equipped. I don't feel equipped to have that conversation. So, about 6 months ago, we started doing regional trainings to really teach pregnancy centers, client advocates, nurses, directors how to have that18:10 conversation. And so that has been very, very successful. And so we're moving into a potential, partnership with Lifeline Adoption Services, and they've said, hey. Why don't we do18:22 this training digitally via Zoom? We can reach 10 times the amount of people that way than we could, you know, in person. But then what I love is they said, Robin, you can have access. Focus on the family can have18:34 access to the prospective adoptive parents on our list, and we can start driving these young women, in a good way, driving these young women to connect with a a couple in their community.18:46 Willing to adopt.18:46 Right. This I can choose. And, Jim, that's so important for her in that in that process of feeling like everything is out of control to tell her you have choices that don't include terminating your18:58 baby. You have a choice. You can choose the mom and dad. You can see where they live, where your child will go to school, all those things that put her back in control, and she knows that her child's going into a safe19:08 environment.19:09 Yeah. Doctor Lyle, we're nearing the end here, unfortunately, because there's so much content that we can talk about. But you have a story about a woman who contacted you after seeing a roadside billboard. What happened19:21 in that context, and what did she say?19:23 Yeah. She was driving back from receiving the abortion pill in Jacksonville, Florida heading back to her home in, the Sandestin area, and she saw a first billboard put up by 1 pregnancy19:35 center, and it said heartbeat at 18 days. She kept driving. She saw another billboard on the other side of I 10, which said your mom chose life. You should too. That was enough to19:47 affect her heart and affect her mind. She pulled over at the next area. She started to Google. She actually Googled abortion pill antidote led her to the website abortion pill reversal dot com.19:59 She called them, gave her her information, asked about reversal. They contacted her with me. We were able to provide her with the antidote, and we were able to reverse that pregnancy, termination.20:11 And she actually delivered a healthy baby boy, which they named William after me. And then they were back in the office 2 and a half yeah. 2 and a half years later, they were back in the office. I got a picture with baby20:23 William with mom and with dad who actually got married during the pregnancy of baby William, but they were back in the office because they were pregnant again, and I got to recently deliver that little baby girl. So20:35 we're not just saving that 1 pregnancy. We're not just saving that 1 teeny tiny little heart. We have we are saving an entire generation, an entire family unit, which is gonna be multigenerational.20:47 Women do deserve better than abortion. And babies are a blessing, we know that, but they're also good for an economy, they're good for a country.20:55 Well, and we just go back to scripture to realize that, you know, babies are a blessing from the Lord. And it'd be nice if this country and the world can regather themselves and really defeat the21:07 enemy's desire to steal, kill, and destroy, which is what John 10 10 says. He's come to steal, kill, and destroy, and the Lord's come that we might have life and life more abundantly.21:18 And I I don't see a greater spiritual or practical battleground than this debate on abortion. I mean, it is clear as day. And, you know, I I think for so many21:30 Christians, maybe that that don't see it the same way, they don't think it's a big issue, that don't see, being made in his image as the, really, the distinction21:42 in this battle that every human being is made in the image of God and deserves our respect, our care. You've given your life to that, Bill, as an OBGYN, to the mom and that baby.21:54 And it it does seem like there's just such spiritual warfare toward that child that regardless of logic, they want that woman to terminate that baby for whatever22:06 reason. And it is a battle, and I'm I'm so glad you're in it, Robin. I'm so glad you're in it that the scales from the eyes of these professionals would fall off, and they would realize22:18 the evil that they are doing. That's the place that we have to pray for and hope that our country can get to. So again, thank you both for being with us.22:28 Welcome. You're welcome.22:30 Well, John, I hope people feel informed. And that was the goal today, to give you an update on what's happening in the country, where the debate line is, what's happening practically. Robin, again, I so appreciate what22:40 you do each and every day. And now it's time to step up. I mean, we are putting all our effort into this battle because we think it is the difference, spiritually, toward everything. I mean, being for22:52 life versus being for death. But we need your help. 60 dollars is what it costs to save a baby's life through option ultrasound and so much more. The My Choice Network and23:04 the development of of that adoption list that we're talking about. Can you help us with 60 dollars? 60 dollars a month would be wonderful. Save a baby every month. This is 1 of the best things you23:16 can, invest in at Focus on the Family. Robin, I'll give you a chance. Make the pitch.23:21 Right now, there's over 530000 babies have been saved. Jim, that's over 1000000 people impacted by Focus on the Family for life.23:29 Yeah. That is so cool. And we wanna see 1000000 babies saved by the time I'm done here at Focus, which, you know, is just a few years away, I think. But, Robin, thank you for every day coming in and doing that. And can23:40 you jump on board? I I will beg you to jump on board on this 1 because we need to help these women, and we need to help save these babies' lives. Yeah. Help us.23:51 Take a stand today for life. Join Focus on the Family. Donate, and make a difference today. Our number is 800, the letter a, and the word family. 802 3 2 624:03 4 5 9. And online, you'll find the link, down below. Online, you can donate as well. And on behalf of the entire team, thank you for joining us today for Focus on the Family with Jim24:15 Daley. I'm John Fuller inviting you back next time as we once again help you and your family thrive in Christ.In this video 0:00 The Urgent Call to Protect Life Post-Dobbs4:29 Hidden Dangers: Abortion Pill Access and Tragedies11:27 Empowering Women: Support, Reversal, and Hope
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