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Calling a foul on spiritual apathy: interview with Chaplain Dave White
May 23, 2025 · 29 min
Matthew & Anthony discuss Chaplain David White's mission to reawaken the church and promote a culture of life.
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Game Changers: Standing for Truth 0:29 Hey. Game changers. Welcome, and thank you for tuning in. We are live at the National Religious Broadcasters Convention, NRB 20 25 here in Dallas, Texas. We're0:41 out of the freezing cold. Thank the lord. But, actually, I heard it's actually warm now where where we just left. So whatever. God will talk about it later. But we are so excited to be here. There as you can tell,0:52 there's a lot of there's a lot of excitement. There's a buzz in the air. There's so much going on. God is just doing amazing things in the arena of media and digital1:04 content to get the word of God out, and I'm just so honored to be a part of this. I know you're honored to be a part of this as well, Matt. And I just wanna give you guys a heads up. This is gonna be the first interview1:15 here for NRB that we're gonna show. We have a very special guest we're gonna introduce to you here in a second. We're excited about it. We're gonna make it official. It's a little bit of a joke. You'll get it pretty1:25 soon. But you can catch the rest of our interviews on prey dot com. We'll have a playlist there that says, NRB interviews or whatever. You'll see it. We'll have the rest of those out there. But for now, I don't wanna1:36 take up too much time because I'm really excited about this guest that we have.1:39 So Absolutely. And on that note with prey dot com, make sure you guys like, subscribe our YouTube Yes. Facebook, follow us on Instagram, prime time game changers. Check us out. If1:51 you haven't hit that subscribe button, please do. Go to our website prime time game changers dot com. Connect with us there. We got a whole shopping stuff that you can go buy and get that merch and rep game changers2:02 wherever you go. But, yeah, I'm really excited for our guests. I'm gonna read a quick bio, and, we're gonna jump right into it. But we have Dave White with us, the chaplain of the White Rose resistance. David2:14 White serves as the ministry spiritual backbone providing pastoral guidance to the team and the pastors engaged in the fight to reawaken the church in a culture of life and Christian resistance. With2:26 a PhD from UCLA, David brings extensive experience as a pastor, missionary, and mentor, having traveled to 70 countries, served as a missionary for 10 years, and pastored for over2:37 30. His dedication to protecting life has inspired him to coach men for over 20 years, calling them to become resolute champions of faith. I love that. Known for making tough calls under pressure2:50 as a lead NCAA men's basketball referee. That's awesome. We're big sports guys, obviously.2:56 And It's official. It's official.2:58 David combines resilience with deep pastoral care to support leaders who are stepping out of the stands and onto the front lines in the battle culture of death. That is awesome. Welcome to3:10 Game Changers, David.3:11 We are3:12 glad to have you with us.3:13 Great to be here.3:14 You3:14 guys are amazing. I love what you guys are doing. You're inspiring people, young and old, and, get getting them out of the stands Yes. And onto the cord.3:22 Hey. Let's go. Speaking of game changing, your resume, your background, totally sane, man.3:29 70 countries? Well, when you're really old, you get to you have a lot of time to travel, though. No. I have been fortunate. I I I studied in Germany in high school, so I had some time there. I went to3:41 seminary in England during my UCLA years.3:44 Yeah.3:44 Had a chance to work with crew and athletes in action and, go over to the Soviet Union in the eighties during the summers. Wow. And then I've been to Israel several times, and then you just get to throw in a bunch of3:54 other countries along the way. Wait.3:56 Wait. Wait. Wait. We have to back up. You just casually ran through the red the stoplight of being in the Soviet Union during the eighties.4:03 Yeah. It wasn't much different than, like, the last 4 years here in our country. You know? Socialism, communism, cancel culture Yeah. You know, deplatforming. It was nuts. And to see it come to our4:15 country, I'm like, that's gotta stop. Fortunately, it looks like we've we've stopped it for temporarily.4:20 Why have we just met you? I feel like you were made for this show.4:23 You just said it's gotta stop. So like a referee, you know, I'm giving a technical fad. Absolutely. Yeah.4:27 Yeah. And 2, you're out. You know? So come on, man. We just said that, I think, to Biden. So Yes. Bye bye. Yes.4:34 Yes. That's amazing.4:35 So talk about that with with the refereeing. I mean, that's just incredible. I mean, you've probably seen some of the greatest moments, if possibly in tournament history, I'm sure, or just NCAA basketball history. Give4:47 us, like, a a background of that. What was that like?4:50 Well, working the tournament's awesome Yeah.4:52 You know,4:52 and working games. You know, you have all these competitive alpha athletes, and you got these very feisty, fierce coaches, and a lot of pressure and coaches and, you know, fans and noise and bands.5:04 But but the the best officiating, to be candid with you, is not what you actually get to see. You guys typically watch live action, like, when the ball's in play, and then it goes to a commercial. The best officiating's5:14 dead ball officiating. It's what we're doing when you're not watching Yes. And going in and going, Anthony, quit grabbing his shorts, dude, or I'm gonna get you, you mat. Stay vertical on the the free throws, dude.5:26 I'm gonna violate you. You know? And you're you're actually doing what parents do and pastors do behind the scenes, not not calling people out and embarrassing them, but getting winning them over. So when they take the5:38 court and everyone's watching, I just give you the eye like Anthony, and all of a sudden in California, we have CHPs.5:45 Yeah. You know,5:45 there's a California Highway Patrol. I drive so much better when I see them in my rearview mirror. You know? And a good referee a good referee has presence and just make sure that the players see him, and it's like5:57 So good.5:57 Don't go there.5:58 Yeah. Yeah.5:59 Because if you do, I have to stop you, ticket you, and that takes time. I don't wanna slow the game down. Keep it going.6:04 Yeah. Yeah. So was there ever, like, a moment you remember that was, like, a cool story or, like, an iconic, you know, moment in a game that you remember, like, a a funny moment with a a6:16 university or6:17 a coach that you could share. I mean, something that, you know, was just6:21 so, like, I'll never forget this moment, and I had to either tee someone up or I had to, maybe make a6:29 call that changed the game in6:30 the last, like, 30 seconds. You know? Or you made a review or, hey. This was a really hard, like, charge or block call. You know?6:36 That's a6:37 big I mean, make. I mean, that's really difficult.6:40 It's all difficult. If you you know, life is relationships. Yes. If you build trust with people There6:45 you go.6:45 They don't need you to be perfect on the calls, but they don't wanna get screwed. You know? They wanna know that you're fair and equitable. So my favorite memories, I mean, I I've had coaches come out to the middle of6:54 court, you know, they've already got a tee, and it's like, I gotta throw them out. I'm like, okay. Do I wanna be dramatic here, or do I wanna just go if you wanna just walk quietly to the locker room right now, I'll just7:04 go over to the table and let them know that our time here is done. Like, I don't we don't need to make a show here. You're you're trying to because you're gonna have them again.7:12 Yes.7:12 If you wanna ref year after year after year, you don't wanna, like, have something dramatic and downright bad. But my favorite memories are ones, again, you probably don't see. It's going into the locker room after a7:22 team just lost in March Madness, so that means they're out. That means7:26 that's the7:26 senior 1 and done. Yeah.7:27 That's the senior's last game ever in his lifetime since playing since and then seeing guys maybe crying or, you know, grappling, grieving, and having the coaches put their arm around him and and saying, you know, we7:39 love you. We're for you. You did a great job. You know, just some of those warm moments that no 1 sees behind the scenes where guys are kinda melting down, but you see good camaraderie and chivalry and Yes. And7:51 coaches who realize basketball is just a platform.7:54 Yes.7:54 It's not about basketball. You get to mentor men. Yeah. You get to change lives.7:58 Yeah. Did you ever have a7:59 moment where you got to pray with an athlete or8:01 a coach or, you know, lead someone to to Jesus or witness or anything like that? Do you ever have a full moment8:06 like that? It certainly happens in the summer a lot because you see a lot of players and coaches in summer leagues. Yeah. They're not really in game time yet. Yeah. So there's the opportunity to be personal. But I've8:15 actually prayed with coaches. I got a little bit rebuked for it. But on the court where we had meltdowns and you have to bring the coaches together and go, like, we're done with this. Okay? We gotta, like, get get back8:25 to business. And let me pray for you guys for a minute. Lord Wow. Help these guys not be crazy. Let's go. Come on. Wow. That's good.8:31 Love it. That is so cool. That's amazing. Yeah. Just bringing in the god factor. So I I love that, and I think that's the biggest thing.8:38 But, you know, not only, were you standing up on the basketball court for the right call, but standing up for the right of life. Touch on that.8:47 Well, it's just, you know, I think of, life as kind of the issue of the day. You know? A lot of my colleagues are concerned about liberty because, you know, our churches were shut down, particularly in California during8:58 COVID by our governor who's a tyrant. And they're concerned about liberty. But I'm like, if you don't have life, you don't have liberty or anything. Come on. It's the foundation. Like, any government9:09 Yes.9:09 That's going to take away the most vulnerable9:12 Yeah.9:12 Who won't speak up for those who can't speak for themselves. That's a problem. And I feel like having come to Christ in Germany, I I'm, you know, familiar with a lot of German history, which you guys are too. Mhmm. I9:23 kinda picture like we were in World War 2. It's like 19 39, 19 40, 19 41, and we're realizing, wait a minute. Are they taking our Jewish neighbors? Do we have any duty or obligation to say something?9:35 And everyone says Yeah. Oh, I would've said something. I oh, really? You didn't say a dang thing during COVID. So I think you've already shown your colors, dude. And now that the unborn are being taken out at the9:47 Democratic National Convention9:48 on. Yes.9:49 And you're not saying something? No. I don't think I don't think he's on it.9:52 That that is it right there. It requires a voice now because here's the thing. They were taking our rights away. And, you know, I I know my father, he he was telling our governor, if the strip clubs10:04 and everything are gonna be open10:06 That's right.10:06 My church is not closing down.10:08 Yeah. We're not essential10:09 for what's10:10 going on here. Correct. A hundred percent.10:12 You've gotta be willing to take consequences. You know, I've I've refered, you know, 4 decades, and I've been nicely ranked and had good expertise and good, feedback from colleagues, but I didn't get vaxxed. So now10:24 the NCAA took all my games away 2 years in a row. No games.10:28 Oh, gosh.10:28 Because you're noncompliant. Come on. So you gotta be willing to stand up for what you believe, willing to be noncompliant or crazy, and willing to have a little courage.10:37 Wow. How hard was that?10:38 I mean, just knowing that what10:40 you're standing for is true and right, but they go and put that sanction on you. And it's like,10:46 you know you know you're doing it for the right purpose, but it it's it's the matter of fact of just how evil Yeah. The agenda was. I think people forget how evil it was. And that's10:58 been my biggest prayer is, you know, now that Trump is back in office, we just all the more have to keep fighting and using our voice to undergird him. It's like, okay. We've crossed the Red Sea, but, hey.11:10 We've gotta go discover the promised land. Yeah.11:12 We can't just walk around, dude. Exactly. The wall. They still have to fall. Yeah. And we need a little bit of doge in the church too. Like, we're gonna, like, get there's there's a lot of riffraff, you know, a lot of11:22 crazy. You know? Get your get your rainbow flag down, and let's get back to, like, what we're about.11:27 Yes. I love that. Getting getting things exposed and being willing Yes. To sacrifice your safety and your reputation Yes. So you can maintain that liberty11:37 That's right.11:38 Brings life. You know, 1 of the things we were talking about before we came on for the interview officially was, you know, with the White Rose resistance, I love what you guys are doing, which we need to talk a little11:47 bit more about that. Yes. But just exposing how they have tried to make normal Right. The murdering of the innocent unborn child. And11:58 we were talking about this. What we have to really be careful of too in the body of Christ right now is there's this pro life movement, but it's not necessarily anti abortion.12:08 Yeah. That's right.12:09 There's people in the pro life movement that want to regulate abortion to make it more digestible. Right. But what we are standing for is saying, no. It doesn't matter if it's 6 weeks, 312:21 weeks, 9 weeks. If that child is conceived, it is a person, and we have to defend that. And so we have to be careful of blurring the lines, which I'm sure and during12:33 your years of refereeing12:34 Yeah. Yeah.12:35 Yeah. Yeah. You know, something that can really change the outcome of a game. But in this instance, you can change the outcome of somebody's life12:42 Yeah.12:42 Absolutely. Them having life or not having life. And I think we have to be careful about that. But if you could talk some more about, you know, what else White Rose resistance is doing to kind of help, you know, with no12:53 longer blurring the lines, but making a clear Yeah. Definite, stand, helping people to do that.12:58 Well, we're trying to awaken the church. And as a pastor myself, you know, I want pastors to to activate. And most of the guys I journey with are they're good guys, but they forget we have a dual duty. Titus 1 says we're13:10 not only to teach the truth, we're to expose lies.13:13 Yes. Hello? Yes. Oh, wow.13:15 This is like Nehemiah. You know? Yes. You're supposed to have your trow, but you also have to have13:19 a sword. Yes. Dude, this is like John 1. Jesus is13:19 the incarnation of grace and True. You need both. And so we are no powder and pink, you know, pro life organization. We're like13:31 red, black, and gold. You know? Like Yeah. We're a little more the sword because, you know, in first Kings and second Kings, you had a lot of kings. And it says they did what was right in the sight of God Amen.13:43 But they didn't tear down the high places. So in the end, they got rebuked. It's like they're good guys, but they didn't do the full it's like the 2 strands of DNA Yeah. Didn't13:55 happen. You're super gracious. You taught the truth, but you didn't expose lies.14:00 It it that's the thing. I agree. It's it's almost you're too evangelical to the point where there's no backbone to go in and say, hey. Yes.14:09 There's no14:10 The church needs that right now. I love what he's saying.14:12 That is spot on. Like, we need to have a sense of urgency.14:17 Yeah. It's not profound theology. You know, as a father of 5 kids and 5 grandkids, look. I wanna develop our kids14:24 Yes.14:24 But they also need discipline. Yes. My wife loves to garden. You know? Yours might too. You know? Great. You grow a nice garden. But you have to pull weeds too. Like, you you gotta14:34 And that's where it went.14:35 Not you know, you wanna shepherd the sheep, sheep, that's great. But you have to ward off the wolves. You're not gonna talk about CRT, BLM, you know. Come on.14:44 You that's You're hitting them. I'm telling you. Yeah. Yeah. This is awesome, man. Just to keep going. This is I'm telling you because that is the number14:53 1 thing that's been missing in the14:54 church is okay. All the churches that shut down their buildings did nothing, cooperated, and it's like, you know, we could be They15:01 didn't cooperate. They complied.15:03 Yes. That too.15:04 And And compromise.15:06 A hundred percent. And they literally were like, we're just gonna be silent. Just, you know, not say anything, not stand up. And I appreciate the people that said, no. This is garbage. What's going on? Right.15:18 We're gonna use our voice. We're not gonna just give way to this this movement because you're right. It was very much the same mentality agenda way, the same spirit as what Nazi15:30 Germany15:30 was doing. Yeah. Yeah.15:31 The exact same thing. And it's like they thought, okay. If we can get them on this, what can we get away with?15:36 Yeah. Yeah.15:37 And we're back in the garden with Adam watching passively as Eve is destroyed by Satan. I mean, this kind of passivity is just nutso.15:44 Yes.15:44 And it's like, where are the men with chess? You know, this this isn't just a theological issue. This is, like, about courage and15:51 Yes.15:51 Grit and gumption. It's like, what the heck? You know, I again, I love all my pastor friends, but I had no idea they were so soft.15:59 Yeah.15:59 I'm like, this is16:00 What were you thinking when the tournament got canceled that because that was the first thing that really went was the tournament that year. When COVID first came, it was the tournament that got canceled, and then the16:10 NBA16:11 The incident left after16:12 that and16:13 so woke and weird in my opinion. Yeah. Just recently, you know, Trump made a national order that Yes. Women can't play Yes. You know, can't play in women's sports. Yes. The n c 2 a just complied,16:25 but it's like, why didn't you make that decision yourself?16:27 That's what16:27 I'm saying.16:28 They've been they've been nutso. They're woke. They're weird. It's they've ruined our brand.16:33 I mean,16:33 this is like a bad Bond movie.16:35 And then the NILs kinda come into this whole thing now, and that's taken a big thing where now these athletes, it's not about the courage of the game anymore. It's about, okay. Well, I'll play 1 year for university, and16:46 then I could just flat out leave and go somewhere else. I mean, in football, teams are canceling their spring games because, oh, we're afraid to showcase our players in spring ball because another university is gonna go16:56 out and poach them. We've become so money driven hungry in this country that we're forgetting the integrity of the game, the right to life, churches, what it's about. It's the same evangelical, like, water17:08 everything down, be nice, make it look pretty. Yeah. And then we forget that, hey. Like you said, there's also the wolves we gotta fight here.17:15 Yeah. No doubt. And you guys are doing a great job. I mean, you're on the cutting edge. You're out there. A little little provocative, a little Tabasco on your personality. You know, blow a few things up.17:24 Let's see17:25 what happens. Yeah. Yeah.17:26 But but we need that.17:28 Yeah.17:28 When you're in an an extended period of just vanilla, we need some spice. When you're in an extended you know? And this is 1 of the things with Seth Gruber and the White Rose. Yes. It's like, there's enough pro life17:39 organizations out there that are pink and powder, and I'm fine with that. You know? Mothers need praying. We need, you know, baby showers. You know? We need all that. But who's gonna deal with the evil? If we're gonna17:50 add something, let's not repeat what everyone else is doing. Wow. Let's let's bring in the sword. I see enough trial ministries. There's a lot of build, build, build. Who's gonna battle? Let's go.18:01 I love it. Well and what you're just painting there, David, is a a an incomplete gospel. Yeah. That's right. Where we've focused on a lot of the bless me scriptures.18:10 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.18:11 You can make it, you can do it scriptures and prosperity, which is that's part of our inheritance.18:15 What happened to Acts 20, the full council of God? Hello?18:18 Yes. You18:19 know? You gotta Yes.18:21 And18:21 reffing, you get too punctilier, you gotta, like, open your vision here, dude. Yes.18:25 You're18:25 gonna miss the play.18:26 Yes. Because when you okay. So let's okay. So let's talk about that. You there's that 1 side, but we're we're we've been missing how the church was birthed. If you look at Acts, where were they birthed? It18:38 was in Jerusalem. I was just looking this up. Did you and you're you've been widely traveled, so you probably know this. But in that region, Judaism is, like, heavily rooted. So18:50 it is hard to convert people who are who are the Jewish faith like that because that's just part of the Mosaic law. That's just what they do. Jesus instructs them to go wait in Jerusalem for the Holy19:02 Spirit. So the hardest place to convert people, he chose them to go to battle against this religious spirit. Yeah. And the church was birthed out of them going into a territory that was seeming19:14 seemingly impossible Yep. To overtake, and look what happened. Yeah. So my question to you is because I think we have a a very similar narrative playing out with millennials, Gen z, Gen Alpha. SoShow more In this video 0:00 Game Changers: Standing for Truth
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